May 6, 2025

"Until now, arguments for limiting consumption have tended to come from the left rather than the right."

"They date back at least to the economist Thorstein Veblen, who, at the start of the twentieth century, wrote acidly about the 'conspicuous consumption' engaged in by grandees of the Gilded Age. More recently, a 'degrowth' movement has emerged, which aims to decrease consumption and to de-prioritize G.D.P. growth on the grounds that they are harmful to the environment and that, in any case, accumulating more 'stuff' doesn’t really increase the well-being of people.This argument depends on two concepts familiar to economists: the diminishing marginal utility of consumption, which is, roughly speaking, the notion that if you already own nineteen dolls, buying a twentieth won’t give you much pleasure, and competitive consumption, or the idea that many people are trapped in an endless cycle of trying to outshine their friends and neighbors with their purchases.... 'Trump, degrowther,' the leftist journalist Doug Henwood commented online last week.... 'What he is doing is fairly unprecedented: explicitly saying that he is willing to pay an economic price in terms of growth in order to protect something else that he thinks is valuable and important,' Daniel Susskind, an economics professor at King’s College London who is the author of the 2024 book 'Growth: A History and a Reckoning' told me...."


Why don't the anti-consumption lefties embrace Trump? 

My first reaction to Trump's "Maybe the children will have 2 dolls instead of 30" was: "This reminds me of what those on the left used to say to us around the theme of global warming: We have too much stuff already. We should think small. Less plastic. Consume less. Lighten your carbon footprint."

And to go back to April 9, before the "doll" remark, I said: "Why aren't progressives on Trump's side here? The issues of consumerism, labor conditions, slavery, and environmentalism are all on Trump's side...."

I know there are a lot of women — young and old — who collect dolls and prioritize quantity, and it's not always the case that less is more, and you don't want someone else telling you to find more value in less. There is minimalism and there is maximalism. Your style is yours and mine is mine. Greed/frugality — these are orientations. And yet, there are some eternal values here to contemplate. And I just want to end this post by talking about the eternal value that is the child's love for a doll. The core value is family love. A little girl (or boy) imagines caring for a real baby. You don't line real babies up on shelves or toss them en masse into a large bin. What is so important about a doll is at its height when the little girl has one doll — specifically one. I remember my cousin Elsa's doll, Sugar. When I was approximately 2, I believed Sugar was quite famous, known to all and dearly loved.

89 comments:

rhhardin said...

At least one of a little girl's dolls will be sick and require sickness care. With more dolls, you can spread that disease burden more fairly.

doctrev said...

If you buy twenty Barbie dolls a year, you just might have a problem. There are lots of young girls who don't succumb to commercials that badly, never mind their parents.

And the funny part is, this is really the best argument the NPC left and the Bich LLRs have. "Keep China strong or we have to pay more for Barbies!" Good luck with that. Any unions coming out against tariffs may not exist next year.

Aggie said...

I wonder if Trump rather systematically applies some of the Left's arguments to his own peeves, knowing that they will predictably, reliably disagree as their reaction. In this way, is Trump forcing them to attack their own principles, the ones that they hold as virtues? He does it again and again, deflating their arguments by analogy, on some of his important issues.

Kate said...

In grade school all the girls in class played together during recess. One of the girls had a Pillsbury Dough Boy doll. (It was odd even back then.) It was the only doll -- why? how? -- and we organized family structure games around it.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that in decades.

reader said...

My husband and I were talking about this. His attitude was that people were going to be pissed at needing things diffic

stlcdr said...

We have been conditioned to buy things because they are cheap. ‘By two! They are cheap!’

However, just because those on the left are vocally anti-consumption, doesn’t mean those on the right are ‘pro consumption’.

As we have seen with Tesla and the left, what their statement is about anything is nothing but a shallow virtue signal.

Bill Harshaw said...

Have you seen the Oval Office, Mar-a-Lago? Trump is the epitome of excess consumption, so no way the left will accept him as a leader of less consumption. He's a salesman, con-man, who says whatever will help him to get out of a tight spot. Further, he's gutting EPA and climate oriented regulations which is inconsistent with "two dolls",
A Wendell Berry or Barbara KIngsolver has some credibility, Trump none.

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Sebastian said...

"Why aren't progressives on Trump's side here?" LOL. For the same reason they all suddenly respected the Catholic church after Trump posted the pope picture. Anyway, the Gephart presidency should appeal to progs, if contrary to the Althouse theorem they believe what they profess to believe, but since party overrides principle and class interest drives policy, it won't.

Kakistocracy said...

Your family will have less, but it’ll be more expensive is definitely a solid economic pitch. Man with golden toilet lectures Americans to live frugally. Advised by a guy who launched a sports car into space for fun. 😂

D.D. Driver said...

And why are the "conservatives" so eager to adopt Trump's neo-proggy anti-trade policies? You can grab a dead cat by the pussy without hitting a hypocrite.

Jaq said...

"Why don't the anti-consumption lefties embrace Trump?"

Because it's not about whatever they say it's about, it's about power.

"Further, he's gutting EPA and climate oriented regulations..."

Quit selling! He already won, I can only vote for him as many times as I can vote for him!

mccullough said...

The things you own end up owning you.

But Obama is never giving up his five houses

Lawnerd said...

When a party’s primary argument is that the opposition is Hitler, policy becomes irrelevant. Kamala did not discuss policy. The democrats today do not push policy. They only push resistance and opposition.

reader said...

Did not mean to post that. Ha. And won’t let me delete.

My husband thinks people are going to be angry. I think people need to suck it up. Prior generations made due when necessary. If clothing was needed, but unaffordable, you used hand me downs or hand me overs. Second hand stores were a part of my childhood for clothing and furniture. I pointed out to my husband that quilting didn’t originate because people felt crafty but because it was necessary to take items that couldn’t be used for their original purpose but could provide something else that was necessary. Flour sack clothing served a purpose.
I will say my sister and I were lucky because my mom was a good seamstress. For a period of time people could put function over form and keep things out of landfills.

Why can’t people see this as an opportunity. How about making a doll out of some of the cheap clothing that’s already here. Save money where you can and try to only spend when you must.

Jaq said...

Your family will have less, but it will be more expensive..."

This from a guy who urged us to vote for Joe Biden. Just one example of Bidenomics, I went to a boat show and the boat I bought four years ago is double the price.

"I want more cheap Chinese crap, and I don't care if there are any jobs for my children" is a pretty good summary of Democratic policy positions.

mindnumbrobot said...

"Advised by a guy who launched a sports car into space for fun."

Ignorance is curable. Perhaps learn about a subject before opining on that which you don't understand.

Jaq said...

Damn; comma splice.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

"Why aren't progressives on Trump's side here?"

Because Trump represents the tyranny of the working and middle classes. Haven't the poor (meant metaphorically as they are generally upwardly mobile) progressives suffered enough oppression at the hands of those Philistines?

Harun said...

Trump is referring to a temporary change where some products may be unavailable, not a permanent state as in socialism.

rhhardin said...

Producing and consuming create new wealth because the produces sells for more than it's worth to him, and the consumer buys for less than it's worth him. The two sides are the same but called called profit and consumer surplus respectively. The sum of the profit and the consumer surplus is new wealth added to the wealth of the nation.

The magic is only possible because people disagree about value.

Howard said...

From my observation of Democrats in their own habitat, whatever Trump does is really just for the TechBros. They think the shelves are going to become insufficiently filled with goods from China. Also, they're afraid if they help Trump with some stuff, he will become even more powerful than anybody's ever seen. Everyone knows this.

rhhardin said...

producer sells

Harun said...

However, I do think a temporary supply problem will be tough. Not dolls but key parts to machinery or key inputs to our factories.

Kevin said...

Why aren't progressives on Trump's side here?

Are you kidding? Hatred has them trading in EVs for SUVs.

Harun said...

I should mention what is happening in the real world.

Trump slapped tariffs. Xi slapped tariffs. Big talk about about China enduring it, because they don't need US exports. Same with USA

Well, what's really happening in China? A Chinese supplier is shipping all their parts to Vietnam for assembly and export from there. July 2025 the first shipments will be made. That is incredible speed.

And another vendor who sells rare earth magnets told me they have "ways" of getting past China;s export ban.

Shows that China and US governments are not able to fully control humans.

Harun said...

So I am now skeptical that "shortages" will be that large.

July shipments = September on the shelves.

MadTownGuy said...

From the quoted article:

"More recently, a 'degrowth' movement has emerged, which aims to decrease consumption and to de-prioritize G.D.P. growth on the grounds that they are harmful to the environment and that, in any case, accumulating more 'stuff' doesn’t really increase the well-being of people."

Not mentioned by the proponents of that view is the overarching theme of yielding control to the State, which, after all, 'has your best interests in mind.'

"My first reaction to Trump's "Maybe the children will have 2 dolls instead of 30" was: "This reminds me of what those on the left used to say to us around the theme of global warming: We have too much stuff already. We should think small. Less plastic. Consume less. Lighten your carbon footprint."

But that's not Trump's argument, as I see it. He seems to be saying, 'Why buy 30 cheaply made [Chinese] dolls, when you can buy 2 quality American-made dolls?' That's part of the justification for the tariffs. The other part is leverage, to get a better deal for all parties.

Howard said...

Well, RH, it depends on how quickly *wealth* devolves into trash and becomes a liability. Not to mention the soil water air putrification in China, ultimately effecting Arctic ice via CNS particulates responsible on a global scale for a third of the total predicted atmospheric warming. We're responsible for much of it by offshoring environmental damage prevention into no restrictions in the Peoples Republic

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

This much is certain. In a year, after perhaps a couple months of scarcer, more expensive Chinese goods, the shelves will be awash with even less-expensive Chinese goods than a year ago. Cracker's Iron Law of Prog Hysteria. As Rich has repeatedly shown in recent weeks, it's seldom wrong.

Bob B said...

No. The arguments are different. Perhaps Bernie Sanders, our three-house-owning socialist, presents the leftists position best:
“You can't just continue growth for the sake of growth in a world in which we are struggling with climate change and all kinds of environmental problems. All right? You don't necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country.”
The left wishes to impose a limit on the citizens’ choices, presumably to one state-approved item. Trump doesn’t want to have the government limit your choices. He just recognizes that in a resurgent America, the costs may make one more frugal.

Aught Severn said...

I think this line of argument misses the forest for the trees. The point of all of this (the tariffs) is not to reduce consumption. That is an effect, sure, but not the point. So trying to read Trumps mind from an answer to a question regarding material availability and divining overall intent falls into the 'seriously/literally' trap.

My first reaction to Trump's "Maybe the children will have 2 dolls instead of 30" was: "This reminds me of what those on the left used to say to us around the theme of global warming: We have too much stuff already. We should think small. Less plastic. Consume less. Lighten your carbon footprint."

Your quote is the AGW crowd trying to elicit a voluntary cutback to reduce consumption. Trump implied that the tariffs could effectuate an involuntary cutback. And I don't think the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" idea can overcome the dislike of Trump by the left for them to lock arms in solidarity with him.

Lazarus said...

Trump said Bernie Sanders hadn't lost his mental faculties with age. They don't agree on the issues, but Trump said Sanders isn't senile. Maybe Bernie could return the favor and agree that kids don't need 30 dolls. If Trump starts saying that we don't need 23 deodorants or any anti-perspirants at all, we'll know that the detente has gone too far.

Kakistocracy said...

Jimmy Carter tried a similar kind of sales pitch during his presidency, which didn't exactly sell politically. In Trump's case, he is making this pitch at the same time he and his family are cashing in with crypto-scams. Likely to meet a similar kind of public reception.

At least Carter's messaging was in reaction to the OPEC oil crisis, over which he had limited if any control. Trump's messaging is essentially "suck it up, Americans, due to a crisis I created."

loudogblog said...

In recent months, the far left has come out in favor of boycotting and destroying electric vehicles, supporting extremely low wages and bad working conditions in China, China polluting the planet with thier dirty manufacturing, keeping manufacturing jobs out of the United States, billionaires and major corporations profiting by manufacturing outside the country, artificial additives in food and excessive consumption of non-needed items that are not really recyclable.

They are so consumed by Trump hatred, that they're willing to throw all their other beliefs out the window.

I have at least two friends on facebook that, literally, spend their time on facebook posting anti-Trump and anti-Republican memes. (and nothing else) We're talking 15 to 20 memes a day every day.

narciso said...

John Cassidy, bargain basement krugman, carry on

tommyesq said...

We as a society have become very vulgar. Our concerns center around "how much stuff can I get" and "do I have more stuff than my friends or neighbors." People would rather their kid have those 30 dolls, even if it means the father down the street will be unemployed. No thought for dignity, spiritualism, or anything else non-monetary. Even the whole "equality of outcomes" mantra looks exclusively to monetary outcomes. Makes me sad.

Michael said...

I’m not sure greed/frugality are the proper orientations unless you are putting them on an x-y axis. Then perhaps you’d have the greed-generosity vs frugality-extravagance.

As to the tariffs, they are one of Trump’s (many) blind spots. He thinks everything is a real estate deal in NY city with winners and losers. But free trade is not zero sum and we in the US are not currently losing to other countries.

narciso said...

of course we are, we lost factories to the Maple curtain, Oceania north,

Jamie said...

Without reading the comments - it seems to me that a major difference between Trump's current stance and degrowth is that the degrowth movement wants it to be permanent. Trump wants it to be temporary, followed by a return to as much freedom of choice as possible.

Hassayamper said...

This much is certain. In a year, after perhaps a couple months of scarcer, more expensive Chinese goods, the shelves will be awash with even less-expensive Chinese goods than a year ago.

Cracker's Iron Law of Prog Hysteria


You are onto something there. I am bookmarking this thread and titling it as above.

Mr. T. said...

Rich/Kak/Sockpuppet and all the other lefties are mad, because if tariffs cause a temporary shortage and the shelves are empty, there won't be anything for them to loot and set fire to.

john mosby said...

Kate: "One of the girls had a Pillsbury Dough Boy doll. (It was odd even back then.) It was the only doll -- why? how? "

Did your school have a rule against bringing toys/dolls? I think most schools had either a de jure or de facto rule about that. There wouldn't be anyplace to put such things, with the limited space in a desk or cubby, and the teachers didn't want the headache of dealing with broken or stolen toys. My friends and I were GI Joe etc fiends, but we never even thought of bringing them to school. The only thing we ever brought was a few marbles.

Maybe Poppin Fresh could sneak in as a promotional item, neither a doll nor a toy...did the girl keep it in her coat pocket or something?

JSM

Karen of Texas said...

Forty-two comments in and not one, "There's too much consummin' goin' on here"?

ron winkleheimer said...

"One of the girls had a Pillsbury Dough Boy doll"
My wife had one of those when we married. I made its domicile our stand mixer bowl with its head and arms visible over the edge. Her friends love it.

ron winkleheimer said...

"And why are the "conservatives" so eager to adopt Trump's neo-proggy anti-trade policies?"

Because there has been a huge realignment in the political parties? Just throwing that out there.

Freeman Hunt said...

"And why are the "conservatives" so eager to adopt Trump's neo-proggy anti-trade policies?"

No kidding. Now it's Democrat economic illiteracy all the way down.

Paul Zrimsek said...

We never used to have left-liberals saying "Yay Wall Street, boo taxes" either, but there you are. Strange times.

Jaq said...

"But free trade is not zero sum and we in the US are not currently losing to other countries."

Most people can only see whose ox is getting gored if it's their own ox. The "America is already great" crown is benefiting greatly from the current system, but its victims can also vote.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

And why are the "conservatives" so eager to adopt Trump's neo-proggy anti-trade policies? You can grab a dead cat by the pussy without hitting a hypocrite.

We aren't and they aren't. You leftists and the lying corporate media have maintained for two months now that these high tariffs are "policy" when it was obvious they were always a negotiating tactic. Trump said they would bring our trading partners to the table and they did. They were never "blanket" and they were never "permanent" and the more ignorant people squeal about them the stupider you'll look as we get the proper trade deals in place. It was fast shock treatment and they are working as intended against China. Xi can't stand too many more days of rioting laid-off factory workers, and the contrast -- a growing USA economy vs a shrinking China one -- is stark and growing more pronounced the longer they hold out.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Furthermore, "Maybe the children will have 2 dolls instead of 30" is a far cry from "you SHOULD learn to live with less." Trump obviously isn't anti consumption, but he faced the reality that there might be a few fewer Barbie*s under the tree this December. Operative word, "might." No must or should or will, but "might."
*Full disclosure I used to work for her way back when Mattel dominated the toy aisles.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

As to the tariffs, they are one of Trump’s (many) blind spots. He thinks everything is a real estate deal in NY city with winners and losers. But free trade is not zero sum and we in the US are not currently losing to other countries.

It hasn't been "free and fair trade" either. Our trading partners DO play games with tariffs and subsidies and the insidious VAT. And our competitors like China with whom we trade are even worse. Trade imbalance is not the huge threat Trump hypes it as, but what would be wrong with us selling more American goods overseas? And it would be great if China actually honored contracts instead of taking delivery of our farm and ranch products but then "renegotiating" the already agreed-to price while the goods sit on a dock and age.

Awful lot of chicken little-ism going on. And it ignores the shitty way we have been treated by China and Canada.

chuck said...

Asceticism has been around for thousands of years, often associated with religion, meatless Fridays for instance. All the left has added is a bit of pseudo-scientific gilding. You might call it the gilded age of philosophy.

n.n said...
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donald said...

“Have you seen the Oval Office, Mar-a-Lago? Trump is the epitome of excess consumption, so no way the left will accept him as a leader of less consumption. He's a salesman, con-man, who says whatever will help him to get out of a tight spot. Further, he's gutting EPA and climate oriented regulations which is inconsistent with "two dolls",
A Wendell Berry or Barbara KIngsolver has some credibility, Trump none”.

Like Jaq said, quit selling! I’m in!

n.n said...

Limits by Choice... uh, choice. No babies need to be aborted for progress in shared responsibility as a human rite, a wicked solution, but rather men and women will act in responsible deliberation as mature Persons. Affordable and available through labor and environmental arbitrage, progressive prices, is unsustainable. Democracide is not a viable Choice. Keeping women affordable, available, reusable, and taxable for the kleptocracy is Ka-catastrophic.

Jim at said...

Save money where you can and try to only spend when you must.

Hear, hear.

Jim at said...

I have at least two friends on facebook that, literally, spend their time on facebook posting anti-Trump and anti-Republican memes. (and nothing else) We're talking 15 to 20 memes a day every day.

I used to have friends - and family - like that. Used to. Unfriended and blocked. They are no longer a part of my life because it's too short.

I still have discussions and debate with people who don't share my political views, but not if they're unhinged with TrumpHate.

Candide said...

Perhaps another reminder that Trump is not really a creature of the Right?

Earnest Prole said...

In my lifetime there have been two groups who’ve told me it was more noble to live with less: Christian fundamentalists, who believe life on earth is a miserable detour on the way to heaven, and left-wing ideologues, who believe our sinful existence will soon be replaced by a utopia of their design.

And now a third group: MAGA, led by Donald Trump.

IamDevo said...

As usual, the left and the media (yeah, redundant) take Trump's position and twist it into something other than what he intends. Trump believes that American autarchy is preferable to slavish reliance on foreign production, regardless of whether it comes from China, Mexico, Canada, Taiwan or anywhere outside the borders of the USA. If the eventuality of restoring self-reliance and self-sufficiency requires some discipline, that's fine. America has become a bloated slob, gorging on the treats on offer by other countries whose production is governmentally subsidized and whose markets are off limits due to tariff barriers. The last time I checked, no obese person ever lost weight and regained health by continuing to lie on the couch, eating bonbons and watching TV. Only disciplined consumption and a return to production will keep America out of bankrupcy and ruin. Anyone who fails to understand this is either a moron, a democrat (again, redundant) or a paid shill for the anti-American globalist cabal.

Smilin' Jack said...

“ And I just want to end this post by talking about the eternal value that is the child's love for a doll. The core value is family love. A little girl (or boy) imagines caring for a real baby.”

Well, a real boy is more likely to think outside the box. “Hmm…I wonder what would happen if I put this in the microwave…”

Earnest Prole said...

The first step to redemption is admitting we’re evil.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

""And why are the "conservatives" so eager to adopt Trump's neo-proggy anti-trade policies?"

Because there has been a huge realignment in the political parties? Just throwing that out there."

Bingo!

Trump has spent more time rubbing elbows with the working-class than any national politician in my lifetime. I'm guessing he has a pretty good idea of what will resonate.

I think that's part of Trump's revenge strategy. Not indicting some corrupt Donk that a NYC or DC jury will never convict. Defund the Democrats and steal the sane part of their base. Watch them wither.

Enigma said...

Trump is not and never was a "conservative." He is a 1980s alt-progressive who didn't like the post-Clinton direction of the Democratic Party. He's a "half-way back to the old ways" person who seeks to enact an alternative history.

His ALLIES are either (1) likeminded centrist Democratic defectors such as Tulsi, Elon, and Vance, or (2) old-school Republicans and conservatives who support him in a push to execute 100 years of dreams (e.g., tariffs) and hobby horse agenda items that have heretofore gone nowhere (e.g., repeal income taxes).

Trump offers a different flavor of FDR's change activism, and much of it is a direct reversal of FDR's programs. His methods resemble the scorched earth approach to the status quo of King Henry VIII and Napoleon, as possible in the modern world.

Mason G said...

Reported by the NYT:

“You know, somebody said, ‘Oh, the shelves are going to be open,’” Mr. Trump said. “Well, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls, you know? And maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally.”

The above is not an argument for limiting consumption. In fact, it's not an argument for anything other than being an observation of something that might happen.

Just sayin'.

narciso said...

its a wonder how far up their own backside, mr cassidy, can get, lets watch,

America was able to win wars on two fronts, because of it's industrial capacity, at some point, it was decided to trade this advantage for magic beans of 'off shoring' this was in rough synchronicity, with our post Vietnam posture,

initally it was Japan that took advantage, until their property bubble popped in '90, was that a fault of their MITI ziggurat, I don't think so, then NAFTA came and the WTO admission of China, and other parties,

DINKY DAU 45 said...

There iHere's why: sn't a specific rule of law that allows a president to dictate how much wealth each individual can have. The US Constitution doesn't grant the president power over personal finances or wealth distribution.
Limited Presidential Powers:
.The US Constitution outlines specific powers for the president, primarily focused on executive functions like enforcing laws, leading the armed forces, and engaging in diplomacy. These powers do not include the ability to redistribute wealth or control individual assets. So like one of the posters said up in here,the guy who sits on a golden toilet and the guy who puts his own cars into space are saying we need to limit whats given out, You can you only need two dolls and 1 of these and two of them..You think I can have more than my four weapons or that dont count? What other head of states says that Putin,erdogan Balsannro duterte,..hmmmm Could the guy with golden toilets be seeking somethng more than usual..This is guy who wants 90,000,000 for a parade for his birthday while VETS struggle,kids cut off from Care packages people in Gaza STARVING, airports falling apart and not a fukking plan in sight except maybe buy one of his coins you could win a free dinner date if you buy enough WTF. the trumpers up in here must be creamin for this event,

Rocco said...

stlcdr said...
We have been conditioned to buy things because they are cheap. ‘By two! They are cheap!’

Joe and Hunter being Exhibit A.

DINKY DAU 45 said...

oh and by the way no matter how much bullying goes on they'll be no decrease in interest rates tomorrow or probably not in June and if trump dont keep fukking things up maybe september.Powell dont listen to the golden one he and the court of 12 do their job dont care about the noise..

n.n said...

Arguments from the center: conservatives have advised moderation as a principle.

Wince said...

Althouse said...
I know there are a lot of women — young and old — who collect dolls and prioritize quantity, and it's not always the case that less is more, and you don't want someone else telling you to find more value in less. There is minimalism and there is maximalism. Your style is yours and mine is mine.

Althouse essentially articulates standard consumer theory. A consumer's "indifference map" is an ordinal measure of their own rank order of preferences, not a cardinal measure that can compare the relative utility of two or more consumers. That is how each individual decides how much more in quantity is worth "more" against declining marginal utility.

All the tariffs can do is affect the relative prices that form the slope of the budget line and, for a given income, where on the indifference curve map the consumer will derive the highest level of utility.

Besides transferring income to the government (no net societal loss), tariffs do come with a cost, as do all taxes, known "deadweight loss" cost.

The issue is whether the net deadweight loss from a tariff is worth the social benefit, now and over time. Is the juice worth the squeeze?

n.n said...

Personal responsibility and conservative moderation in lieu of shared responsibility and liberal license facilitated and effectuated through labor and environmental arbitrage are no vice.

Earnest Prole said...

Under glorious leader’s plan, five years of sacrifice means great prosperity for nation.

effinayright said...

Earnest Prole said...
Under glorious leader’s plan, five years of sacrifice means great prosperity for nation.
***********
Didn't see you making such a snarky remark when we experienced about 18% inflation during the glorious Biden years.

Whyizzat?

effinayright said...

tommyesq said...
We as a society have become very vulgar. Our concerns center around "how much stuff can I get" and "do I have more stuff than my friends or neighbors."
************

Speak for yourself, pal----don't simply assume that most of "we" behave that way. Because "we" don't.

For starters, millions of "we" are living from paycheck to paycheck". "We" are happy when "we" can buy ONE doll for our kids.

Today, the average American holds on to his car for 8.4 years, as opposed to 4 to 5 years in the early 2,000s. Does that sound like economic profligacy to you?

TeaBagHag said...

I for one embrace the higher prices on everything and the weaker dollar.
All that sweet, sweet tariff $ just overflowing our coffers will make America so great. Trump knows more than every economist in history. I love my orange daddy.
It’s not a cult.

Earnest Prole said...

Didn't see you making such a snarky remark when we experienced about 18% inflation during the glorious Biden years.

It’s not a comment about Trump, it’s a comment about y’all.

Rocco said...

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Furthermore, "Maybe the children will have 2 dolls instead of 30" is a far cry from "you SHOULD learn to live with less." Trump obviously isn't anti consumption, but he faced the reality that there might be a few fewer Barbie*s under the tree this December. Operative word, "might." No must or should or will, but "might."

Yeah, this. Trump says “Well, maybe this might happen…” and all of the sudden Trump is a dictator specifying the number of dolls a girl may have.

Mason G said...

"Yeah, this. Trump says “Well, maybe this might happen…” and all of the sudden Trump is a dictator specifying the number of dolls a girl may have."

The left has lied about what Trump says since just about forever. They're not going to stop now.

Rusty said...

Is Dinky complaining that he can only have two dolls?

Josephbleau said...

“ It’s not a comment about Trump, it’s a comment about y’all.”

No, not at all, your comments only carry information about yourself.

Josephbleau said...

I don’t control what everyone else does, only what I do. And my thoughts about tariffs are like the Texan who says: tariffs, don’t buy none, won’t be none. Happiness is in buying a few things of high quality that last.

It’s too bad that some people don’t teach their kids about marketing and useless spending, it’s difficult but that is how to create future people of wealth.

This is a good example of how the wealthy bands of society always thrive, they can depend on the unfortunates who waste their resources and make them rich.

If people stop buying crap because tariffs are high, who is getting rich, China? The Government? Trump? No, the people are. Democrats seem to favor wanting people to be dumb and poor, teachers unions and Chinese plastic bits, no savings allowed for the commoner.

boatbuilder said...

30 dolls in every pot!

Trump has the lefties arguing that America girls need more dolls. The man is an absolute genius.

Josephbleau said...

Good marketing is explaining to a segment of the population why they have an incentive to buy your product.

Goebbels says, hate the Jews, because if they are dead then you can have a nice store or a job at the bank instead of them.

Mattel says buy 30 dolls and all your child associates will respect you and ignore the useless kid with two dolls.

Is Trump wrong saying get two dolls? Democrats seem to think so.

LakeLevel said...

Leftists lack any fundamental understanding of economics. Free Market Capitalism has proven to create more efficiency and thus less pollution, cheaper goods, more choices in products, and greater technical advancement. The only way to "limit consumption" is through authoritarian regulations and free speech restrictions. Soviet era Eastern vs. Western Europe is the proof. More pollution, more expensive goods, less choices, lower technical advancement is what you will get if you let the extreme Democrat leftists back into power. Is it not scary that we don't even know who was running things under Biden?

JIM said...

Jerry Brown during his first term as California Governor implored us to think of a future with less. However, I think Trump's version is more of a negotiation tactic.

Bunkypotatohead said...

Kids don't play with dolls anymore. They get a cell phone the first day of school, from China of course. And that becomes their life.

Luke Lea said...

Happiness is a part-time job in the country.

bagoh20 said...

The left said it to virtue signal their desire to save the world, which can not be done. Trump said it as war prep to save the country which is at least possible, and will not GARNER him any respect from the left.

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