May 30, 2025

"But I think the meta text of why it was so shocking was all of the people that were waved off as conspiracy theorists. Right wing fever swamp people were completely right."

"Were a hundred percent right. They were completely right. And the people who, you know, even now, you know, you still hope they're telling the truth. Like maybe we can trust some of what they say they were this profoundly wrong. I think that is like the, the deeper layer of the shock."

Says Bari Weiss, somewhat babblingly. 

Jake Tapper, who has more reason to babble, speaks eloquently: "Definitely we all should, in retrospect, looking back on it, have been much more easy, much more quick, to label what we saw, what it seemed. But I think there also was, regardless of ideological issues, I think there was also just a reluctance to say he seems addled — he seems like maybe he can't do the job — when you have the entire infrastructure of a political party saying, What are you talking about? He seems fine to us, and we have meetings with him. One of the stories... in the book is when at the same time, around the same time that Annie Linskey and Siobhan Hughes, these great reporters with the Wall Street Journal, right around the time that they break their story and are garroted by the, by the Democratic party and by by journalists and by media critics and by journalism professors and this whole industry of people who, who claim to be non-partisan assessors of truth...."


The part I quoted begins just after 1:19:00. Here's the transcript. I've cleaned it up a bit. I changed "he seemed adult" to "he seemed addled" replaced  and "gared by the, by the Democratic party" to "garroted by the, by the Democratic party garroted."

You know the word "garrote"? "A garrote can be made of different materials, including ropes, cloth, cable ties, fishing lines, nylon, guitar strings, telephone cord or piano wire. A stick may be used to tighten the garrote; the Spanish word refers to the stick itself."

104 comments:

Aggie said...

They're all trying to get their story straight, and they've moved on from trying to present themselves favorably, for professional advancement, to 'damage control'. Not realizing that the damage has already been done, long ago.

rehajm said...

The name of the propaganda is ‘Honestly’? Honestly…
…they were tasked to make it seem Joe was lucid enough to be President while the people actually running things enacted their sinister agenda. It worked far longer than it should have. Now, when they try to cover up their bullshit with more bullshit we all end up with more bullshit…

Yancey Ward said...

Jake From Fakefarm should be asked- "Put Trump in Biden's place with the exact same fact base- how do you report that story, Jake?"

Breezy said...

They had to hide Biden because a Harris Presidency was inconceivable. They were only willing to screw the country just so much…. They actually had a limit. They couldn't see themselves working for her - blech-ptooey - better to hand it over and be the rebellious out-party. Interesting to note that they viewed a Harris Presidency as worse than a Trump 2.0 one, given the ease with which they accepted the Nov 5 election.

Joe Bar said...

In all these Jake Tapped and (That Other Guy) interviews, no host ever directly challenges them for their complicity and bias. Nobody asks " Would you let the Republicans get away with this?"
They are all complicite liars.

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Kai Akker said...

This horse is thoroughly dead and beaten. The liars are trying to rationalize. How much can you take of that?

Better to pay more attention to those who were getting it right throughout all the new superhydropower McCarthyism.

Jupiter said...

Jupiter said...
Hmmmm, it's a tough one. Are they lying whores, or babbling idiots? Eloquent, babbling idiots. I'm going with whores. With a side of idiots.

tim maguire said...

Tapper is speaks more eloquently because he hired a crisis management team to help him with his book launch. He's been coached, Bari has not.

Curious George said...

God enough of this bullshit. What Tapper (and the rest) did was intentional. Biden was a potted plant.

Iman said...

“I think there was also just a reluctance to say he seems addled — he seems like maybe he can't do the job — when you have the entire infrastructure of a political party saying, What are you talking about?”

They have no such “reluctance” to say even the most farcical denigrations of our current president.

Tapper can fuck right off.

Jupiter said...

It does kind of make me wonder. If they were simply unable to see that the Emperor had no clue, maybe that is why they believe all the self-evidently nonsensical things they routinely say. They are unable to credit their own observations, as against what they are told. But to believe that, I'd have to allow the possibility that they have a decent bone hidden somewhere about their persons. Tough call.

Enigma said...

No one is more blind than he/she/they who is paid to not see.

Psychopathic climbers were psychopathic for decades to claw their way to the top. Weiss is being naive or playing to her audience. Tapper is revealing his lifelong psychopathy.

Earnest Prole said...

In the same interview Weiss tells a charming story of a 2023 dinner speech she gave to a bunch of rich Democratic donors. She told them Biden was too old to be president, and when she sat down she realized “it was like I’d taken a shit in the middle of the dinner table.”

FormerLawClerk said...

Shorter Tapper: "Where was the media on this story?"

I mean, they know how easily their base is gaslit.

They're not trying to reach or convince Althouse readers. They're trying to gaslight Axios readers, Vox readers, Huffpo readers. The idiots who listen to "I F8ck Daddy" podcasts.

Leland said...

"much more quick, to label what we saw"

As Tapper did with Lara Trump. He was very quick. He didn't stumble, reflect, and decide to be reluctant because others noted the same thing Lara did.

I listened to the segment, which I found at 1.16:00 in the clip. The written part didn't seem eloquent at all, and indeed, I think Tapper corrected his initial take of "have been much more easy", because I don't know how they could have been easier on Biden. Nor could do I recall Tapper not finding ease at labelling anything nor being reluctant to do so. I've never seen moments of introspection from CNN hosts. I imagine it is because they producer is yelling in their ear to say something rather than ponder anything. However, Tapper doesn't have that excuse in this podcast.

Peachy said...

If just about everything on the left is a lie... then yes - some of those crazy rightwingers - (who are not right-wingers- they are the normals) .... MIGHT BE RIGHT! Oh noez!

john mosby said...

"it was like I’d taken a shit in the middle of the dinner table."

That can be another GOP 2026 bumper sticker: "VOTE REPUBLICAN - Take A Shit In The Middle Of The Democrat Dinner Table."

JSM

Peachy said...

Jake Tapper is on TAPE - multiple times, attacking and reprimanding any and all horrible deplorable "right-wingers" for calling attention to the obvious fact of what we could all see - that Crook Joe was a puppet and someone else was in charge.

Scott Patton said...

garrote is as garrote does

Peachy said...

Predicting like Jake Tapper wasn't part of the problem - is hilarious.

Jake Tapper(D) was a loyal foot-soldier for the scam.

mindnumbrobot said...

"I think there was also just a reluctance to say he seems addled... when you have the entire infrastructure of a political party saying, What are you talking about?"

What the political party says is irrelevant. They're supposed to lie if necessary.

"right around the time that they break their story and are garroted by the, by the Democratic party and by by journalists and by media critics and by journalism professors and this whole industry of people"

Um, that's you, a**hole.

This is all so stupid.

Jaq said...

"He seems fine to us, and we have meetings with him..."

I never believe a story until it is officially denied.

People tend to assign truth value to things that are easy to think, "cognitive ease" and to disbelieve the things that take effort to work through, regardless of the truth value of either case.

One can make an extremely high probability case for the lab leak theory, and indeed, I often did in these threads, but it required at least a rudimentary knowledge of statistics, and nobody plays cards anymore, so it was easy to push a "wet market" theory that was so implausible, The Three Stooges would have seen through it, but at least they probably had experience with playing cards. The thing about the wet market theory was that if you didn't think about it very much, it made perfect sense.

Jaq said...

Plus the wet market theory played to anti-Chinese racism, which was a plus for the people pushing that theory, as they figure more people would pile on for that reason, but it also required them to put out that the lab leak theory was "racist," so that the people indulging the wet market theory could still feel superior. This not only pinned racism on the other guys, but diverted suspicion from Dr Fauci, who approved the experiments in the first place.

Barry Dauphin said...

It's the preamble to going after Trump.

Jupiter said...

"Right wing fever swamp people were completely right."
Yeah, Bari. Get that tattooed on the backsides of your eyelids.

Jaq said...

Shall we talk about the "50 intelligence experts" next? How about one of our posters here responding to som BlueSky 'call to action' finding some cognitive decline in Ronald Reagan in any of his dozes of press conferences, you know, the thing that Joe Biden never did?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ronal+reagan+press+conferences

Jupiter said...

"but it required at least a rudimentary knowledge of statistics"
I recall reading the wet-market BS, and thinking, "OK, we're all gonna die because Chikes eat pangolins. Makes as much sense as anything else does." And then I came across some fever-swamp blog, saying that the US government had paid some ditzy Chinese chick to do gain-of-function research on viruses from a bat-cave, and that Baric clown was in the thick of it. And I knew -- knew -- that was what had happened. No statistics involved.

Dave Begley said...

The Left never ever admits it was wrong. It never apologizes. We will never hear the Dems admit they were wrong about covid, masks and closely schools. Or wrecking the economy and so many other things. Or covering up for Biden.

The reason is that if they have to start admitting they are wrong on other things like trans kids and CAGW.

Question for the Althouse community: Has the Left ever admitted error on anything of substance?

Dave Begley said...

I had a FB "debate" last night with a male to female trans person. This person wants to believe 2 + 2 = 5. The debate was about how men are faster, quicker and more athletic than woman. The trans claimed that wasn't true.

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BUMBLE BEE said...

Dave - Can he/she name a competition result where a girl beats the tranny?

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Weiss's libtardism is really showing out now. She needs another red pill.

Clyde said...

We are not “far right,” we are “right so far.”

Skeptical Voter said...


To paraphrase Groucho Marx, am I going to believe Morning Joe when he said that the then current version of Joe Biden--stumbling, mumbling, brain freezing, wandering off stages-was "the sharpest I've ever seen Biden" or my own lying eyes?

gspencer said...

I gotta get some new conspiracy theories. All my old ones have been proven correct.

Josephbleau said...

This makes me very confused. Now the people inside the tent are pissing in?

Wince said...

You know the word “garrote”?

“It means Annie Linskey and Siobhan Hughes sleep with the fishes”?

guitar joe said...

"Has the Left ever admitted error on anything of substance?" Has the right? Has any Republican copped to being wrong about Iraq? Has Hannity, for example, ever given an explanation about for why he ardently supports Trump's foreign policies now and why GW Bush's, which he ardently supported, were wrong? Has Carlson? If they have, point me to sources.

Koot Katmandu said...

It is all BS. They all knew Biden was senile and incapable. They pretended like he was not. Now they are pretending they were fooled.

Dave Begley said...

BB

The trans person didn’t know about Lia Thomas at Penn. This person then said it wasn’t a big deal re: numbers.

I checked LinkedIn and the NE court records. A former journalist who is know a paraeducator at a school by my late parents’ house. The court records were scary. This person is deeply mentally ill and the Left feeds and encourages it.

Jersey Fled said...

When will our lefty friends here make that same admission that Bari and Jake did. They’ve been strangely silent. Or do they still contend that Joe was and is sharp as a tack.

Jaq said...

"If they have, point me to sources."

This website is full of commenters who freely admit that they were wrong to support George W Bush's endless wars, and who will openly say that they support Trump for trying to end these policies. I admit it, others here do. I don't follow any of the people you listed, so I can't answer for them.

In fact, the forced reflection of having been so wrong on Iraq has led me to do a deep rethink of the whole of US foreign policy, and to come to reject beliefs that I sincerely held fifteen years ago.

I can't wait for you to do the same.

Jaq said...

Isn't Morning Joe the show where the daughter of the man who masterminded putting the Taliban in power in Afghanistan, and bragged about it works?

"It's a big club, and you ain't in it!"

Achilles said...

They did such a bad job reporting on the Biden Regime that they will have to make up for it reporting on the Trump administration.

You can totally trust them now.

They are all seditious traitors who stole trillions from US taxpayers and killed thousands of people while installing an illegitimate regime and trying to impose a fascist dictatorship on the country.

Jaq said...

“Marissa” Rothenberger, pitched 14 shutout innings in back to back games to defeat the defending state 4A champion softball team.

Quaestor said...

I note the conspicuous absence of Kakistocracy, Inga, the execrable TeaBagHag, victoria, gadfly, Freder, and other usual suspects in this conversation. What cowardly evasion, what poltroonery.. At least Jake Tapper -- still denying his complicity, still a liar, but a bold one -- can take solace in the fact that he wasn't the Democrats' only propagandist. There was an army of them infesting every platform, even this blog, spewing absurd lies and vile abuse at anyone with the temerity to lend a voice to his eyes.

Tina Trent said...

Well, the same thing happened with Obama, and people are still silent about it. The same thing happened with JFK and RFK, and most people still refuse to admit it. So color me not surprised. Wake me up when anyone but a handful of people tell the truth about those three and the media that lies and lies and lies for them.

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n.n said...

Riley Gaines Calls Out Male Pitcher Who Dominated Minnesota Softball State Championship

Misogyny.

n.n said...

All's fair in lust and abortion.

n.n said...

Left-wing gaiety then reality.

NC William said...

The press f-in agreed for 4 years to submit their questions for Biden in advance so that the WH could make index cards with the reporter's name, photo, question, and prepared answer. And even then he couldn't perform well. They did well more than cover up and lie. They collaborated in the implementation of the lie all along.

Marty said...

Into the breach left by the "absence of Kakistocracy, Inga, the execrable TeaBagHag, victoria, gadfly, Freder, and other usual suspects" bravely steps guitar joe. Let's give credit where credit is due.

narciso said...

um, pardon me sir 'but whats' that big building in the middle of Wuhan' (its remarkable what the Times and other press left out, in 2020) along with George Floyd's autopsy and a legitimate vote tally,

narciso said...

except for Michael Senger, no one really has pointed to the wargame conducted in the fall of 2019, that set the policy of lockdowns, apriori

narciso said...

in a similar vein, any point of dissent, regarding Dominion by Helderman, as noted in the PBS and HBO airings was somehow verboten,

Bob Boyd said...

Jake Tapper, who has more reason to babble, speaks eloquently with his forked tongue.

I think there was also just a reluctance to say he seems addled — he seems like maybe he can't do the job — when you have the entire infrastructure of our political party saying, What are you talking about?
FIFY Jake.
There was certainly never a reluctance on the part of Tapper or the rest of the Biden palace guard to say anything negative at all about Trump no matter what the infrastructure of his party had to say.
So spare us the affectation of neutrality, Jake. You flat out campaigned for "a party" for years. And you're still doing it.

narciso said...

of course, it wasn't exclusively rightists, that saw through this charade, there were honest liberals like Greenwald and Taibbi,
Berenson (I assume Shellenberger is a liberal)

Narr said...

Shocking Metatext would make a good name for a band, as would Right Wing Fever Swamp People.

Quaestor said...

guitar joe writes, "Has any Republican copped to being wrong about Iraq?"

How about this Republican?

*Patiently waiting for joe's apology and admission of error.*

Ralph L said...

Tucker Carlson has said several times he regrets supporting the Iraq War.

I'm still hoping we killed many thousands of jihadis who might have come westward, but we'll never know. "Democracy" in Iraq sure wasn't worth it. If we hadn't disturbed the Mideast & Africa, would Merkel, Blair, and other idiot leaders have still let so many Muslims settle in the West?

I saw a clip where Weiss used the word "coward" or cowardice. Unfortunately, it ended before T or T reacted, and I'm not going to watch the whole thing, as I don't respect any of them.

If you use an apricot scarf, you can watch yourself garrote.

Clyde said...

Jaq said...
“Marissa” Rothenberger, pitched 14 shutout innings in back to back games to defeat the defending state 4A champion softball team.


I hope his arm falls off.

Bob Boyd said...

You're a lying sack of shit, Jake and you're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise. You need to go sit with that for a while. Are you too old to change?

narciso said...

well they learned no lesson from Iraq, as they indulged the Arab Spring, notably in Libya, (people who should have known better, acted foolishly,) and then years later, they block corrective action by the likes of General Haftar,

Jaq said...

Oh they learn, it's just that they are not interested in the same things you and I are interested in.

Jaq said...

They prefer it that we think that they are stupid.

Quaestor said...

"Into the breach... bravely steps guitar joe."

Only to deflect, equivocate, and libel...

guitar joe, I left you off my least wanted list of cowards, poltroons, and prevaricators. I hereby correct that oversight.

Dude1394 said...

They lied to America’s face for 8 straight years. They are still lying and will continue to be lying forever. Nothing they say should be believed.

guitar joe said...

"How about this Republican?" We know Trump opposed it. And people here saying they changed their minds isn't really what I was talking about. Turns out I was wrong about Carlson, but it seems as easy after the fact to say that as it is for Tapper to write a book about Biden's cognitive issues. And Hannity has never gone on record as changing his mind. My point is that these guys shift their positions as easily as the other media guys you hate.

robother said...

Listening to Charles Blow explain on a talk show, it is clear how important the "Trump is Hitler!" schtick was to the MSM and Democrats refusal to look into Biden's mental fitness. Blind hatred, literally. Why their losses in 2024--and years to come-- are the ideal karmic consequence.

Mr. D said...

And Hannity has never gone on record as changing his mind.

I would wager most people on this forum couldn't care less what Hannity thinks.

My point is that these guys shift their positions as easily as the other media guys you hate.

So your point is that people in politics are full of shit and will say anything?

Jaq said...

"I would wager most people on this forum couldn't care less what Hannity thinks."

To care less is to care at all in the first place, so that's right, it would be impossible for me to care less.

Still, Hannity is not on this forum, those of us who are have mostly changed our minds, after having been so deceived, but I guess as long as Hannity doesn't publicly change his mind to guitar joe's satisfaction, guitar joe doesn't need to be bothered that the people he trusted have deceived him.

rehajm said...

What should be happening is all those who participated in the coverup should be fading away, walking out on the ice, put out to pasture, left to wander in the woods…becoming ex-jourolists. Instead there’s an endless supply of rehab play-by-play, as if it's meaningful or interesting.

Michael said...

Tapper said they had no sources on Biden's mental condition, yet the book contains over 200 references from anonymous sources.

Here's a fact; Washington DC leaks like a sieve. The one scene where Biden came undone in a cabinet meeting. Well, you can bet that one or more Secretaries went back to their department and talked about it. Then a department staffer had drinks with a producer at CNN/NBC/NPR. After which word got around to the larger newsroom.

They didn't miss it, they concealed it.

guitar joe said...

"but I guess as long as Hannity doesn't publicly change his mind to guitar joe's satisfaction, guitar joe doesn't need to be bothered that the people he trusted have deceived him." Absolutely not the point. My point is that you cannot trust anyone, even people who seem to be on your side, to tell you the truth. They change with the wind. Hannity supported Bush, now he supports Trump. And I think he is not sincere in either case. I don't think Carlson is sincere. They profit by pitching to you. Same with Fox. They sell ad time by appealing to your politics. They'll shift if you shift. Same as the "traditional" media.

Jaq said...

"Absolutely not the point."

What you mean, I guess, as "absolutely not what I want to talk about."

You seem to be saying that it's all about the colors of the team we root for, and everybody is lying to us, so let's stop talking about how the mainstream press, the one that reaches millions of homes, and NPR for the millions of cars, and the international press, lied to us, because a couple of opinion guys on outlets with a much smaller audience than these people shifted with the wind. The mainstream press purports to bring us the news and absolutely set the agenda for the country. It's not a problem for guitar joe, on account of a couple of blowhards on Fox.

I personally think that it is important to examine the black box after a plane crash.

Quaestor said...

"We know Trump opposed it... My point is that these guys shift their positions as easily as the other media guys you hate."

Bullshit
"Has any Republican copped to being wrong about Iraq?"

ANY

I read and understand English and so do you.

guitar joe said...

"It's not a problem for guitar joe, on account of a couple of blowhards on Fox." Oh, fer Chrissake. Don't trust anyone is my point. Jesus.

RCOCEAN II said...

Yeah, Jake tapper and his magical cover-up tour.
"The Magical Cover-up Tour
Is waiting to take you away
Waiting to take you away"

Notice tapper is never asked, what he will do in the future to prevent "Missing" things like the POTUS being unable to do his job. That's because the answer is obvious: He'd do the same thing again, if it was a Democrat.

"We had to stop Trump" isn't the reason. Its the excuse.

Jim at said...

We crazy people on the right were also correct about everything involving Covid. Where are all the books about that?

RCOCEAN II said...

Go ask Jake Tapper, Hillary, Gore, Biden, or Obama if they've "Changed their minds on Iraq". They'll say "Yes" then because they can then attack "Bush's War". And blame it all on him.

That's why "did you change your mind?" is such bullshit. And so is "Did you apologize?". Our cat was very sad when he ate a bird that gave him a tummy ache. I'm sure he "changed his mind". And probably would apologize to the bird's relatives if he was asked in cateze.

Craig Goerling said...

How soon before this cover-up is used has an excuse to attack Trump. He's too old? Trust us this time.

Quaestor said...

"Don't trust anyone is my point. Jesus."

No, your point is to mitigate the exposure of the fraud on the American people hatched by the Democratic national Committee and abetted by the monolithic propaganda organ Beri Weiss calls the legacy media by changing the subject.

guitar joe said...

"No, your point is to mitigate the exposure of the fraud on the American people hatched by the Democratic national Committee and abetted by the monolithic propaganda organ Beri Weiss calls the legacy media by changing the subject." How the fuck do you come to that conclusion from what I've said? Honestly. I was absolutely pissed, beside myself with anger at the debate performance. I was on a bike ride two days later and passed a house with a "Fuck Biden" sign out front. If the owner had been outside, I would have said, "You can take that down. He did it to himself." I'm not letting the DNC or media off the hook.

Marty said...

I have been reading attempts here and there to claim that Trump is showing signs of dimentia and is not able to carry out his duties as President. Deny, deflect, and accuse. I look for it to become a HUUGE theme in the near future. I am so sick of them all.

JAORE said...

The closest to honesty Tapper could have done is to use HIS face, eyes covered by his hands, for the cover photo.
It is just such an f'ing shame that the title "Profiles in Courage" was already taken.

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Jaq said...

"Don't trust anyone..." but always vote Democrat!

That's your point. I don't care, I think that there is enough information out there to discern the truth about a lot of big issues, and clearly the right discerned the truth about a lot of the issues of the day that the left blissfully ignored. You only got mad because Biden got caught, that the lies stopped working, that's it. You are not mad at the liars because Hannity, whose name, BTW, almost never gets mentioned here except by the DNC talking point waterboys like yerself

guitar joe said...

""Don't trust anyone...' but always vote Democrat!" No, no no. Jesus. People here just run with shit that isn't stated. I voted for Bush the second time because I thought the Dems were wrong about the terrorism threat. I still do. I never said anything about voting for Democrats regardless. Never. Honestly, it's becoming clear to me that posting here is a waste of fucking time.

Jaq said...

Why wasn't guitar joe angry and throwing around his bike when Biden was plainly cognitively decrepit, yet still acting as President? Or was it only that he got caught, and now even the rubes knew?

narciso said...

stevie wonder could tell biden was not running with both oars,

narciso said...

talking to invisible people, referring to long dead people

narciso said...

having to be steered off the stage, by an easter bunny costume,

boatbuilder said...

That there were people trying to convince voters, the obvious notwithstanding, that Biden was "sharp as a tack" is politics. The usual political bullshit.

That they were labelling the people who pointed out the obvious "conspiracy theorists" is Orwellian.

That Tapper is trying to claim that he got taken in is comedy.

Quaestor said...

"How the fuck do you come to that conclusion from what I've said?"

It logically follows from what guitar joe claims is his point. Quoting him exactly, "Don't trust anyone is my point. Jesus."

Anyone includes guitar joe and discredits whatever aim or purpose he claims.

Don't trust anyone is pernicious advice, and if taken as stated leads to social disintegration. My experience leads me to conclude that no one is completely trustworthy, however, that same experience supports the premise that underpins civilization itself, specifically that some persons are more trustworthy than others. The history of American journalism over the last half-century, and particularly the last ten years has convinced me that much of the legacy media, as it has been called, has been a willing tool in the command of a political conspiracy aimed at robbing We the People of our liberties and our self-governing republic. These people, these professional pundits exemplified by Jake Tapper, are collectively and individually far less trustworthy than Sean Hannity. Hannity's reportage and opinions are insufficient to persuade me of anything, however, I have been given no reason to suspect his sincerity. His reports may be objectively correct or objectively mistaken, but that's not the same as a policy of deliberate deception. Tapper, however, represents a corrupted form of journalism that should be greeted as a purveyor of lies pending independent confirmation.

guitar joe said...

There's an old theological/philosophical conundrum that when the Cretan in Titus 1:12 says, "“Cretans are always liars, evil brutes, lazy gluttons” that it can only be true if he is lying. Then there is just plain sophistry, which Quaestor demonstrated so well just now.

n.n said...

Clinton could have ended the first Iraq war. Obama could have prevented the second Iraq war... and its ethnic Springs in world wars and CAIR.

Quaestor said...

The who says his message is "don't trust anyone" accuses me of sophistry.

The drowning clutch at straws.

wildswan said...

Reporters and Dems in general didn't notice Joe Biden's decline because Joe Biden wasn't the only one who was losing mental acuity. In nay enterprise it weakens you mentally over time not to know what the other side is saying and not to engage with it. Yet "waving off" the other side rather than understanding it is what the Dems did from 2016 up till now. Bari Weiss says that people were categorized as "right wing fever swamp" and not iistened to, "waved off." The NYT specifically said it was only going to present the arguments of one side, those of the left. And we know the Althouse blog is somewhat unusual because it always allowed free speech.

Reporters like Jake Tapper aren't the same as they were 8 years ago. I don't mean they are as diminished as Joe Biden but they are, for example, totally unable to grapple with the question of why they did not know what half the country did know about Joe Biden. And it isn't just the one instance. Half the country knew the truth about the origin of Covid, the effectiveness of masks and distancing, the effectiveness of the "vaccine" years before the other half knew; half the country knew Joe Biden should not be President and certainly should not be running for a second term; Half the country knows now that Trump is deporting gang members, criminals and terrorists; half the country knows now that Harvard has lost its way. The half that didn't know and doesn't know is the half that stopped listening to opponents years back. That half doesn't recognize its own general mental weakness, even as it is unable to rebuild the shattered Dem party because its base of couch potato minds can't do the work.

Jamie said...

As a statement of general principle, "trust nobody" is a useful starting point, ISTM - or maybe it should be stated, "trust only those who haven't acted to lose your trust." I think a whole lot of Republicans are there now regarding the Iraq War - I know I am. I'm embarrassed at my own naivete - which was actually less about "believing the lies" than about believing the philosophy, that if the people of Iraq could just see the benefits of Our Way of Life, obviously they'd want them for themselves.

But in any case, I now employ "trust but verify"with regard to leaders on my side of the aisle. On the other side - I don't start from "trust" but I definitely do want "verify."

And with regard to the press, I no longer trust them to tell me that the sun will rise tomorrow. Their entire job is to be skeptical of the Powers That Be, and they showed zero interest in doing that throughout the Biden fiasco (more than just the administration) - which of course, naturally, makes me question for how much longer than the past five years they've been outright lying to the American public.

(I know it was at least as far back as Cronkite. It was also apparently as far back as Duranty. But until recently, I was willing to see those examples as outliers. Now it's up to them to prove to me that they aren't ALL lying, ALL the time.)

mikee said...

None of these lying weasels should be allowed out in public without cries of, "Dirty rotten liar!" overwhelming anything they say for the rest of their hopefully miserable lives.

MJ said...

"Right wing fever swamp people were completely right."
"Were a hundred percent right. They were completely right. And the people who, you know, even now, you know, you still hope they're telling the truth. Like maybe we can trust some of what they say they were this profoundly wrong. I think that is like the, the deeper layer of the shock."


I give Weiss a lot of credit, it's hard to be a public liberal as Althouse has found through the years. There has to be something you value more than your "Good Standing" to break from leftism.

But this comment shows the problem with even liberals. Even when they realize the left's values are incompatible with those of decent people on the subject triggering their break they rarely re-examine the rest of their beliefs and positions using their new knowledge of those values. Because Weiss refused to do that she still experiences "shock" that the same people who are right on that issue could be correct on others.

Ultimately the left is wrong on just about everything because their policies depend on people being different than they are and institutions functioning differently than they do. Because of this failure even when they correctly identify a problem they cannot design effect solutions. So when law enforcement needs reform, which it does, they want to defund police and allow criminals free rein. When students fail to learn, which they are, they want to eliminate standards. Unfortunately they seem to reside in an abstract world where thought experiments and theories determine outcomes instead of reality.

A more honest and introspective review of the left would have driven a complete rejection of the left. It's a testament to their cultish development of allegiance that so few people are able to do this.

Lazarus said...

Was it Nixon's press secretary who was caught saying something that didn't turn out to be true and responded that his statement was "inoperative"?

Now Jake Tapper speaks for the whole media: "I will lie to you until the lie becomes inoperative. Then you can trust me to tell you the truth."

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