A NYT headline speaks of the recent trend of throwing your life away for nothing.
The altercation began shortly after Mr. DeGiorgio’s wife had confronted the man about barefoot dancing, telling him, “Look, we are all grown-ups here — can you put your shoes on?” Mr. DeGiorgio’s wife told investigators that the man had made a crude remark to her, and the security video showed him giving her the middle finger, according to the F.B.I...
I looked it up. The "crude remark" was "Shut up, you fucking bitch."
We're told DeGiorgio's pay package (at First American Financial) is $7.8 million.What's so bad about taking your shoes off to dance? It can be a way to be quieter, more graceful, or to protect the dance floor — think sock hop. And I've heard the wistful longing: There will come a time when you can even take your clothes off when you dance.
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That's an expensive bit of rage.
Perhaps the man had stinky feet?
I assume alcohol was involved. Not really a good idea to tell a women to go F-yourself, when her husband is right there. BTW, "strangling" someone is a really bad way to express your displeasure physically, since it could lead to "attempted murder" charges.
Better to just shove the guy. I probably walked over, got in his face and said "you want to step outside, and say that to me?" Assuming he wasn't too big.
At some point, people are going to learn that there are cameras everywhere.
Many rock groups took a turn at emulating the Sgt. Pepper album cover.
Tall girls will date short guys, nobody will get their teeth straightened, and on that day, we will all dance naked. "I say to myself, what a wonderful world.♫"
Dancing Barefoot
Here I go and I don't know why
I fell so ceaselessly
Could it be he's taking over me
I'm dancing barefoot
Heading for a spin
Some strange music draws me in
Makes me come on like some heroine
She is sublimation
She is the essence of thee
She is concentrating on he
Chosen by she
Here I go and I don't know why
I spin so ceaselessly
Could it be he's taking over me?
Were I the barefoot guy, which I never would have been, I would have told her essentially the same thing - a smidge more diplomatically...possibly not. That would have depended on how she said it.
Also, my wife can easily handle a situation like that - she doesn't need me stepping in to "defend her honor" and throttle the guy. That would happen - very quickly - only if the interaction became physical.
None of this would have happened if the wife had minded her own business. One's importance on land does not translate into importance on a ship at sea.
It used to be only the tabloids had headlines like that.
Just one more reason to foreswear cruiseships. Why people fancy being trapped in a large, floating metal petri dish with thousands of strangers is another one of those things that are inexplicable to me.
Ironically, the ship was The Resilient Lady.
Another Karen not minding her own business.
What's so bad about taking your shoes off to dance? It can be a way to be quieter, more graceful, or to protect the dance floor — think sock hop.
Despite not having been there I am certain as certain can be that Barefoot Man had none of those things in mind.
Enraged choking is not the right resonse to all of this, but my sense is that many cruise ships have dress-code expectations for dances and such even if not outright rules all the time. I'm sympathetic to resenting the slobification of the world. James Bond walking into a high-end casino has a different vibe if he's walking in barefoot. That vibe would be Austin Powers.
I don't want to go all Luigi here but I'm not on team Shut up, you fucking bitch either.
No info on the victim but I'd expect somehow class (or perceived class) is involved. Also have to ask why is a hot-shot CEO and wife on something so plebeian as a Caribbean cruise?
The wife sounds like a complete asshole. Mind your own fucking business people. Self entitled asshole doesn’t need to go on cruises.
When you sign up for a cruise on some gigantic, heaving, ocean-going abomination, you should expect abominable behavior. Or at least be adult enough to remain composed in the face of it, when it appears. People book these things expecting to exercise a certain abandon, and expecting to be gratified.
The Reslient Lady. File this under "jokes that write themselves."
Pride takes another one down. The inability to stop yourself from doing something really stupid arises from the ascendancy competition and enmity that you’ve been brewing internally, year after year.
"What's so bad about taking your shoes off to dance?" Depends on the circumstances. In some cases, barefoot dancing, especially if violating a specified dress code, is worse than men wearing shorts.
There seems to have been an unfortunate constellation of assholes occupying the same space at the same time. Still only the Cruise Boat Strangler actually broke the law. Perhaps the dancer had toe nail fungi or was wearing Madras shorts. There is much about this case that we do not know.
The cruise ship would incur a substantial liability if someone cut a toe on some broken glass. On the other hand, there may be a greater liability if your spouse is murdered on a cruise.
If the cruise personnel want to tell the dude to put on his shoes, then they should do so. The karen should stay out of it. But kinda as usual, the woman starts something that she cannot finish.
I cruise all the time, love it. With several thousand people normally on board cruise ships you have to know situations like this will arise. She should have never engaged with barefoot guy, she was asking for trouble. Of course alcohol was involved.
At some point, people are going to learn that there are cameras everywhere.
…in some jurisdictions they’re used as evidence in bad behavior prosecutions and in Hawaiian judge jurisdictions they’re used to blow up the internet for their side…
The best man at my wedding in Ireland had a habit of taking his clothes off and dancing when he drank too much. I saw him do it one time at a rural "disco" night. The locals were amazed, but surprisingly tolerant of his naked dancing.
It reminds me of Redd Foxx's rules for good dental health:
Brush after every meal, see you dentist twice a year, and mind your own business in bars.
It's quite common for people to be barefoot in New Zealand -- on the streets, cafés, pubs, shops, and even regular retail stores. I was there in June [winter], and any time the temperature was above 10° [50 f], going barefoot was common. It's one of the Māori customs increasingly adopted by the Pākehā [non-Māori] for informal situations.
I have family there, on both islands, and during a month never did I see a single dog turd anywhere, nor cigarette butts, nor any litter beyond obviously-accidental small bit. Perhaps most notably, I never saw anyone spit in public ... going behind a bush and spitting into the greenery seemed to be tolerated.
So barefoot in public in NZ is not as gross as one might think.
The Wife over-reacted. The dancer then over-reacted, and finally the husband over-reacted. Probably his employer over-reacted because everyone in the world seems to have over-reacted.
This is a sexual frustration action. CEO and wife, on a romantic cruise, weren't taking advantage of the atmosphere.
I love cruises because they send people away from places I want to be…
Dumb headline. Should read “CEO choked man who insulted wife. No man would choke another for barefoot dancing.
Check out the best damned charter fishing captain in the world video. G’head.
Reminiscent of the flick where William Randolph Hearst kills the movie director on his yacht because he thinks the director is flirting with Marion Davies.
Or maybe a 1970s song. The tycoon says barefoot long-haired freaky people need not apply and the interloper stuffs his hair into his hat and goes on dancing. Or a man of the road, a hobo by name -- not seeing entertainment, just poultry and game -- wanders into a buffet and suddenly discovers to his own surprise that he can dance like Fred Astaire.
Some bars are very casual - located near a pool where many of the patrons might be wearing flip flops, where it would be safer to dance with them off. If this was a bar where there was a dress code, they should have told a crew member and let them handle it. Some people are used to telling people what to do and having their desires accommodated. It annoys them when the peasants don't realize they are peasants.
I agree with what Mary Beth said.
And I disagree with Wa St. Blogger; the firm did not overreact. It is not good for the image of a financial institution to let the public become aware that its CEO is a murderous psychopath with severe anger management issues.
Scene of the crime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj8UL3olkVk . Thanks to excited Resilient Lady posters, I now know the assault happened at Fancy Night, on the last night of the cruise. At 6:31 in this youtube video you can have Fancy Night explained by a Virgin employee and see footage from a typical Fancy Night party.
"I'm sympathetic to resenting ..." a whole bunch of stuff. But I don't get up in someone's grill about every damn thing. And I don't choke the person I resent.
Mind ya bid-nez, Karen.
Its really amazing how many "Karen's" get their husbands in trouble.
He should have announced it: “I’m gonna take off/Mah mah mah mah mah boogie shoes/And boogie w’you!”
https://youtu.be/Ia0zeuZMJbo?si=WSxLQ_UOGGeix2n6
JSM
Big Mike: “ It is not good for the image of a financial institution to let the public become aware that its CEO is a murderous psychopath with severe anger management issues.”
I dunno, I would be thrilled to find out that the guy managing my money lets nothing get in his way.
Half the country and I followed that logic to vote for the guy managing our tax money now.
JSM
Terry di Tito: that video is fire! Maybe the CEO had no idea his wife shanghaied him onto an unmoored Fire Island, and the attack was the result of all that bottled up gay rage. Or maybe vice versa: she has been bugging him the whole trip with “I knew it! You’re gay, aren’t you!? Why didn’t you just tell me before you took me to this aquatic Ru Paul episode!?”
JSM
Shoulda just danced by, stepped on his toes and said excuse me.
Drago said...
Its really amazing how many "Karen's" get their husbands in trouble.
Is it? I saw quite a few women try to talk their boyfriends into a fight with another guy back when I was younger.
I read dancing barefoot and think of this scene: https://youtu.be/WSLMN6g_Od4?si=Xu15nlipLL81bhzb
Guys who don’t know how to fight will go for the choke. Very few guys know how to throw a punch, much less a proportionate punch.
Reminds me of Martin Mull.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfz001QuwhE
"Sing like no one is listening. Laugh like no one cares. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like no one will kill you."
That turned out to be bad advice ...
AI Cruise Ship Dance Robot Says:
(plie, plie)
Alright fellow Republicans, let's review the Law of the Sea, specifically as it applies to the dance floor.
(lunge, stretch)
The most important rule is, the dance floor is a place of peace and love. This means, do not attack your fellow dancers.
(high kick, high kick)
The next rule is: leave your shoes on, people! Some of you come to the club with 6 inch stillettos, or shower shoes, or whatever. Then you suddenly realize you can't dance in them. Look, pubes: go back to your cabin and change. It's not that big of a boat. We'll all still be here when you get back. Or leave your shoes on and just dance like a white person - don't let your feet leave the ground. Do not dance barefoot. You could step on broken glass, or get one of those 6-inch stilletto heels right through you. And no one wants to see your bunions, hammer toes, or foot fungus. Gross.
(twirl, twirl)
The next rule: do not touch your fellow dancers without their permission. This includes the AI Dance Robots. We are not AI Sex Robots.
(calf stretch, calf stretch)
Now if I slow-dance with you, I will give you some tumescent stirrings from my fab slim nine-inch cut hog. That's just the polite thing to do, natch.
(slow push-ups: one, two)
The final rule is the most important: the dance floor is not the place for you to work out your identity crisis. If you're secretly gay, stay secret while you're on the dance floor. If you're struggling with it, maybe don't go someplace where you're surrounded with sweaty men in fishnet tops. Just an idea, pubes.
(Sun salute, sun salute)
We do have AI Sex Robots on board - if you want to experiment, you can just order a guy thru Cabin Service. We even have fake broom closets and engine rooms where you can have a furtive liaison with an AI Brazilian Sailor Sex Robot. Nice thick brown uncut hog. And if you freak out in the middle, it's just a robot.
(intercostal stretch, intercostal stretch)
And the AI Rare Clumber Robots are also Sex Robots, but only if they like you. I've spent enough time in Cambridge to know that it's much much harder to model canine intelligence than human intelligence. No one knows what they're thinking. But they can hold three tennis balls in their mouths, if you know what I mean. And I think you perverts do.
(bow, bow)
Alright, pubes? That is all.
I am not Laslo (or Titus).
JSM
I'm guessing alcohol was involved.
If I made $7 million a year, I’d be on the Queen Mary 2 and not this Caribbean party scow.
Why does the Nooyawktoims think this minor incident (yes, minor) warrants a headline and what relevance does the 7.8 million pay package have? If crime was the issue of interest, there wouldn't be enough ink or bytes to allow comprehensive coverage of crime just in the Five Boroughs. It must be the money. Poor folks should be allowed to shoot, stab, beat, throttle, rape, thieve, burn, and pillage in the darkness, is that what you think, Mr. Khan? But it can't be the money, there are musicians and athletes who make considerably more than 7.8 million per annum whose minor crimes are rarely given a column-inch. So its really the politics, isn't it?
Could Althouse, or some other attorney, here explain to me why the USA has jurisdiction over an assault committed on a Bahamas-flagged ship, in international waters?
Meegan!
A few years ago my nephew, at the time a NHL hockey player, got married. A lot of the guests were fellow Hockey Boys. At the dance following the reception, things went waaay beyond bare feet. Nobody was about to interfere with the boys’ fun; they had already lost a lot of teeth and took a devil-may-care attitude to the notion of propriety.
Terry di Tufo: thank’s for saying “Virgin employee”, not “virgin employee” (disambiguation).
Bet he was as inappropriately aggressive at work. Anyone seen his picture? Short man complex?
The man didn't choke someone for insulting his wife. He choked him for barefoot dancing. So says the NYT.
That would have been my response, fuck off. I am female so I don't suppose the CEO would have choked me, and my husband would just put it down to another crazy night out.
Amazing how assholes there are.... here at Althouse. You'd think the woman told the guy to get the hell off her floor, or to bow down and kiss her foot. We don't know the context, I'm assuming the rules said you can't dance without shoes, AND we don't know what condition his feet were in. Maybe they were covered with his own shit, who knows?
Anyway, the proper, normal reaction to someone saying "Put some shoes on" is " No, I prefer not to" and to dance away. Its NOT to tell the women to go fuck herself and get all angry/hostile with her husband standing right there.
I assume they guy was drunk or maybe like all men on the internet he was 6-5 and 220. Anyway he put the CEO on the spot. Do you sit back and let your wife be insulted? I would've gotten in the guy's face, and let him make the first move. Never initiate. Always defend. Unless you like being sued.
When I worked in Pearl River NY, I had a boss with a last name DeGiorgio. He had a tragedy, his house burned down, caused by candles. Don’t know much of the details because I was gone by that time. I Heard about it thru a coworker friend who decided to leave the company before the ax fell on him too.
I have never been on a cruise. They look awful. Esp the big ass ships with McDonalds play pens on them. No. thank. U.
Many people are blaming the wife telling the man to put on shoes. Pretty sure that the rules on a cruise ship was wearing shoes on the dance floor. So If people are allowed to flout the rules then we have chaos. The husbands choked the man because he insulted his wife. Maybe we should bring back dueling for insulting the wife.
Shoes are for protection and if you don’t need the protection, then why wear them? No shoe is as comfortable as no shoes.
I like to walk barefoot whenever possible and it’s weird how distressed some people are by it. Why do they care? I don’t know, but they do.
The intro headline is kind of misleading. What you really have here is a husband retaliating against somebody who was talking s*** to his wife and which is a way different thing than what the implication the headline gave. Rude or not most men will throw hands for their women.
"Why does the Nooyawktoims think this minor incident (yes, minor) warrants a headline"?
It falls broadly under the heading of clickbait. Multiple, (somewhat) interesting and (somewhat) unusual factors. Lot's of that going around.
I have been a fan of barefoot dancing ever since Jon-boy Walton shouted "I have been dancing barefoot in the damn park" or something like that in the filmed version of the play "Barefoot in the Park".
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