Said passenger John Nelson, quoted in "'Hanging...like bats': Toronto plane crash survivor speaks out after aircraft flips on runway" (ABC News).
When the plane finally came to a stop, Nelson recounted[,]... the cabin was suddenly quiet before the 80 people onboard -- most of whom were hanging upside down [like] bats in the cabin – attempted to “make a sense of what just had happened. We released the seat belts. I kind of fell to the floor, which is now the ceiling...."
I would have said "I fell to the ceiling, which was now the floor," but I get it and he was there. Do we have video of the scene with 80 people silent, but hanging like bats?
Here's another view from the outside:
This is INSANE
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My guess is they encountered wind shear very close to the ground. Wind shear is when there's a sudden change in the wind's speed or direction. The conditions were reportedly wind speeds of 25 gusting to 32. If the wind speed decreased suddenly close to the ground, there would be a loss of lift and increased rate of descent with little time for the crew to react.
https://simpleflying.com/windshear/
This reminds me of the Buffalo, NY plane crash. Winds and an inexperienced pilot.
Light airplanes can deal easily, repeatedly, with crosswinds by lowering a wing, flying sideways through the air against the crosswind and staying straight along the runway, called greasing it in on one wheel. With practice it's easy.
Airliners can't do that tipped landing because there's not enough wingtip clearance from the ground, and for engines on the wing, engine clearance.
Instead they crab into the wind and straighten it up once they're on the ground, with considerable side loads on the landing gear, designed to withstand that.
This guy seemed to be doing the light plane technique and the hard hit deflected the wingtip into the ground and he lost the wing. It's possible the landing gear collapsed first but it shouldn't have. Maybe pre-existing damage. In anycase the wingtip caught on the ground and spun the plane around and lost the wing.
The niece's fiancee is flying these right now and has flown that route to Toronto so I'll haver some scoop soon. Yes these are generally green pilots...I see controlled flight right to the ground, no excessive roll...and from this vantage point it looks like a lot of snow, on the runway and snow banks close to the edge of the runway. Could it have hit a plowed pile? Inconclusive...
If you look closely, you can clearly see Trump there fucking up the landing. It was definately his fault.
...maybe a hard hit, it does have kind of a wind shear look. The other plane taking the video...why? Apparently they're filming on the taxiway at the end of the runway so if it is wind shear interesting it lines up nicely with the plane being clear of the end the runway and in the touch zone...
According to Chuck Yeager this was a good landing. Not great, but good.
"I'd rather be lucky than good". Good thing the wings with their fuel tanks didn't stay with the wreckage.
"Are all the passengers alive?"
"Yeah. There is some scrapes and bruises though."
"Good landing!"
danoso beat me to it.
I wonder if the landing gear crumpled; it looked like the aircraft touched down before the wing caught, although the video quality makes it very difficult to tell. Looking at that video, it seems pretty remarkable that there were no deaths and less than a handful of critically-injured.
@Chris: If you look closely, you can clearly see Trump there fucking up the landing. It was definately his fault.
No, the plane slid into a Deep Canadian Government Swamp and its wings were devoured by the Green Energy Windmill Beast. It spit out the people because they were wearing MAGA and DOGE hats.
tall snow drift?
This guy seemed to be doing the light plane technique and the hard hit deflected the wingtip into the ground and he lost the wing. It's possible the landing gear collapsed first but it shouldn't have. Maybe pre-existing damage. In anycase the wingtip caught on the ground and spun the plane around and lost the wing.
The plane did seem to have a bit of starboard roll on touchdown. It also seemed like the angle of attack was fairly low, but that may be the correct profile for that particular jet.
Final report will probably detail failure (rapid, unscheduled disassembly) of the aft starboard landing gear due to bolts and fasteners removed by Trump because of a DOGE-based cost-cutting analysis as the root cause. If only a judge had issued a TRO, the crash wouldn't have happened for another two weeks!
Perhaps aprapos: Blame Canada
Was that plane made by Boeing? It looked to me like something caught fire or exploded before it crashed.
It was not a Boeing aircraft. CRJ-900 designed and built in Canada by Bombardier or under license by Mitsubishi.
Obviously a DEI hire
Re rhardin’s comment: I spent 37 years flying jets, all of which used the ‘bank into the wind ‘ technique ( technically called a forward slip) to maintain runway alignment. Only exception was the B-52, which had a very long wingspan, and special landing gear which permitted wings level landing attitude
another CRJ, maybe the landing gear was defective,
yes i'm sure trump researching for DEI hire to spout his nonsense, just a matter of time.
There is video of the evacuation: https://x.com/outbreakupdates/status/1891629992976470493
And major props to the flight attendant in the beginning of that video working to evacuate a plane that just crashed and was on fire. That is bravery and knowing and doing your duty when your instinct has to be to run away.
rolled, not flipped.
Reminds me of an old AAF song my dad used to sing:
Don’t give me a Peter 40,
It’s a hell of an airplane I know,
She’s a ground looping bastard
You’ll only get plastered,
Don’t give me a Peter 40.
I was wondering how they rolled the airplane like that on the runway. Concur with the gear collapse, but the reason for it and the loss of control will take a bit more investigation. Larry J could be right about windshear. Not seeing much of a flair. Wonder if they PIC was former Navy.
Like "The Poseidon Adventure"! But without a lengthy odyssey across the airplane cabin.
It looks like the landing gear collapsed, the plane took a knee, and clipped a wing forcing the plane to roll.
Josephbleau said...
Reminds me of an old AAF song my dad used to sing:
The name of that song is Give Me Operations. The chorus goes:
give me operations
way out on some lonely atoll
for I am too young to die
I just wanna grow old
Turning upside down in an accident can be confusing. After hitting an ice patch near Tucumcari my wife and I referred to it as falling on the roof after we released our seatbelts. Normal people don't train for such things. Military pilots, OTOH:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_lI6YPu9qU
Totally freak accident in that not only were there survivors, but there were no deaths. Odds are another one like that will not occur in any of our lifetimes.
And after I commented I found the correct name for the training I did- a newer version of the Dilbert Dunker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUoLTGQA_jk
I was not a pilot- everyone got the training.
If you look closely, you can clearly see Trump there fucking up the landing. It was definately his fault.
I know you're joking, but it's insane how many leftists ARE blaming Trump for the recent spate of accidents.
They're fucked in the head.
He was coming down fast and hard. Like catching the three wire on the Nimitz.
The moment of silence was probably all of them realizing they weren't dead.
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