"As Democrats Reel, Two Front-Runners Emerge in a Leadership Battle/The race to lead the Democratic National Committee centers on the favorites, Ken Martin and Ben Wikler, but the party’s infighting over them looks nothing like a broad reckoning with its 2024 defeats" (NYT)(free-access link).
Well, Kamala Harris had plenty of money, so she lost for reasons other than money. And yet, if it's pretty obvious why she lost — and isn't it? — then raking in the money may still be more important than any elaborate soul-searching about the dismal loss last November. In any case, what evidence is there that Martin is better than Wikler at figuring out why the Dems lost? Personally, I knew Ben Wikler when he was a teenager, and I think he can do anything. I mean, I knew Ben Wikler when he was a white teenager, and now he's a middle-aged white man, and I tend to think he can do the best that anyone can to revive the Democratic Party.
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Wikler would have a better chance if Trump hadn't carried Wisconsin. Does he really understand the why of that? I'm unconvinced.
But Tammy Baldwin beat Eric Hovde. That was big.
I tend to think he can do the best that anyone can to revive the Democratic Party.
Why would anyone want the Democrats to return to power? Top to bottom they are both evil and corrupt.
There are several reasons why she lost.
The democrats have to figure out what they are about in order to attract donors. Kamala had no central message except that Trump is a meany. I would guess the donors would expect a positive platform and candidates that can sincerely carry the messages before they pony up next time. They were reamed in 2024. That’s hard to get over.
Yet, you see the Dem rank-and-file screaming for a radical new direction. The two mentioned in this piece are so status quo. The Democratic Party is reaching its Paul Ryan moment.
Diversity (e.g. racism) politics.
But Tammy Baldwin beat Eric Hovde. That was big.
A two time senatorial incumbent, who started campaigning well before her opponent, won by less than 1% of the vote. Not a ringing endorsement of her campaign organization.
Ben Wikler sold WI politicians to rich out-of-state donors because they are cheaper to buy then politicians in their own states.
I think Tammy won because she's good at campaigning. She can stand in front of a cow and plainly state how she has helped farmers. That makes the difference.
Baldwin is a pretty wooden campaigner. Hovde lost more votes due is mustache than Baldwin did by actual campaigning.
I wonder how the Democrats will define themselves in a few years when they won't have Trump to kick around anymore (to coin a phrase). As it is, they define themselves as whatever Trump isn't.
tcrosse wrote: I wonder how the Democrats will define themselves in a few years when they won't have Trump to kick around anymore (to coin a phrase).
Dems are bereft of new ideas at the moment. If they continue on autopilot, they will be against whatever Vance is or becomes. So that will mean they will be defined as the anti-white party, the party against helping Appalachia, and the party that enshrines DEI policy above all.
I mean, I knew Ben Wikler when he was a white teenager, and now he's a middle-aged white man...
Expect a call from an opposition researcher.
Party leadership fights are about winning elections. They are fights about optimizing salesmanship.
None of the people running for party leader will base his leadership campaign on the policies that will promote prosperity, human flourishing, social trust, family, community, and the best incentives.
And that's why these campaigns feel to me like empty exercises in careerism and resume polishing.
Just barely and only within the margin of the Chicago vote in Milwaukee.
Mr. Wikler's die-hard support of Brett Blomme and Adam Westbrook will make him an excellent chair for a party that loves pedophiles and child pornographers.
It probably helped her that she ran an ad claiming to have worked with Trump.
I paid $6 for a dozen eggs at Wal-Mart this morning. The death of the Democrats is not complete.
Being a tool of a national party that thinks primary elections are performance art, ain't a good look, Anne. I'm sure he was a sweetie pie a teen, though.
And Kamala lost. That was BIGGER.
It sounds as if both candidates are campaigning for the position on the basis of how bad the other guy is. What are their ideas? I thought the Democrats have always been the Party of Personal Emancipation, freedom from everything - including thinking, I guess.
by running ads talking about how she worked with President Trump.
$9 a dozen here in Washington state. My husband walked away from one store w/the hope that he could do better down the street. Nope - $9.99 there.
Two white males are the finalist for the head of the DNC? Is one transgendered? If so, she'll win. Are they both gay? If not the answer is easy. If they're both gay then the one with the biggest donor list wins.
That's the standard playbook and for decades it has worked more often than not across the political spectrum. Primo example: "Kamala isn't Trump". And it will continue to work at some sort of baseline, but times are changing, voters (both parties) are gradually throwing off their complacent sheep mode. Carville was (belatedly) right - the playbook doesn't work like it once did.
Then it's all about messaging and it has nothing to do with content.
If the Democratic Party doesn't kick out the radicals and move more toward the center, all the messaging in the world isn't going to convince the party members who weren't having it in 2024.
How do you know how Bladwin is at campaigning? Did you see any of it? As far as Wikler, I think it's funny you talk about him being able to do anything...for fucking Democrats. For the American people? Fuck them.
Living where we are, I didn't see any of Baldwin's ads, but if they're like the ones Russ Feingold ran in his first two Senate campaigns, they were probably effective enough. But all Hovde needed to do is emphasize her voting record and her positions on abortion, defunding the police, extending Medicaid to undocumented immigrants, and the transgender movement. Since I didn't see any Wisconsin campaign ads, I don't know what Hovde's approach was.
"Well within the mainstream", aka not batshit crazy left. Y'know like Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer. LOL.
With the D's always bet on the Establishment choice. Everyone in the Democrat party is a sheep who always follows the elite. Some set the party line, and everyone else follows. baa baa.
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“Ben Wikler sold WI politicians to rich out-of-state donors because they are cheaper to buy then politicians in their own states.”
Just doing the jobs native Wisconsin politicians won’t do.
"I knew Ben Wikler when he was a white teenager, and now he's a middle-aged white man, and I tend to think he can do the best that anyone can to revive the Democratic Party."
So you're saying he's still white? I don't know what to make of this testimonial.
I was pulling for Marianne Williamson.
I don't believe they know how to be positive any more. How can you spin illegal immigration, energy poverty, governance of all aspects of life as a good thing?
Reviving the Democratic Party would be a crime.
Harris lost because the 20 million voters didn't show up after the voting stopped to push her over Trump..
Obama chose a less charismatic vice president than himself who then in turn chose a less charismatic vice president than himself. After a big loss I've noticed whichever the losing party was there was a great deal of gloom and doom and ringing of hands. I'm sure next time the Democrats will run through the primaries and let that weed out the weak ones and run a viable candidate..
It's mighty peculiar that Baldwin was narrowly elected by last-minute late-night discovery of 30,000+ Milwaukee County votes, to earn her a tiny majority tally, but Harris didn't get same bump. 2020 Wisconsin win for BIden was clearly a stolen vote; 2024 Wisconsin win for Baldwin but not Harris was again a stolen vote, but exposed failure of Harris to rally Wisconsin democrats.
Wikler's failure to win Wisconsin should defeat his run for DNC chief. Outside of suspicious last-minute Milwaukee County election landslide, seems Harris actually did better than Baldwin. Wikler hasn't explained this.
Suspicious late-night discovery of election-box containing 30,000+ Baldwin votes materialized in Milwaukee County, though those same votes didn't help Harris too.
Won by cheating. Tammy Baldwin didn't deserve reelection; she's a do-nothing senator on par with Illinois senator Tammy Duckworth. Both Tammys represent single-issue female virtue-signals: Baldwin as LGBTQ, Duckworth as disabled vet, neither as strong advocate representing the best interests of their constituents. Baldwin is rarely in Wisconsin, living the good life in DC and NYC.
Yup, Hovde was defeated by his mustache, and by box of 30,000+ Baldwin votes belatedly found late election night in Milwaukee County
Someone should talk about the pedophile ring in Fox Cities and Sheboygan.
My question is why are the Democrat Senators we elect from Wisconsin such back benchers? We had Herb Kohl for so long and now we have Tammy Baldwin. I think they both are losers. Because neither one of them have no personality or backbone are they more easily bought off?
This is the precursor phase to transracialism. Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King are the vanguard, the incredibly courageous Christine Jorgensens of the forthcoming wave.
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