I suspect that many readers experience alarm — Oh, no, it's crazy to take away the polio vaccine! — and read no further.
But it's not the polio vaccine. It's a polio vaccine. From the text of the article:
An ally of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. petitioned the government in 2022 to reconsider its approval of a widely used polio vaccine, which is credited with staving off a debilitating virus that can result in permanent paralysis.
The petition is about one polio vaccine, not all polio vaccines.
Aaron Siri — a lawyer with a history of seeking to expand exemptions to vaccines — asked the Food and Drug Administration to suspend or withdraw approval of Sanofi’s polio vaccine for children.... In the 2022 petition, [Siri] raised questions about the safety of the polio vaccine and argued for more studies to be conducted.
I've added the boldface. That "the" in "the polio vaccine" refers to Sanofi's vaccine, and if you go to the link on "petitioned the government" you'll see Sanofi's vaccine distinguished from other polio vaccines.
The Washington Post has a subheadline with the word "the":
"A lawyer affiliated with Kennedy petitioned the FDA in 2022 to revoke approval of the polio vaccine despite scientific studies showing its safety and efficacy." That is so deceptive. Unless a reader carefully engages with the text of the article, one is very likely to think that Aaron Siri worked to deprive us of any vaccine to fight polio.I remember in the 1960s, when the Sabin vaccine became available after years of using the Salk vaccine. Many parents, including mine, refused the Sabin vaccine. But we were vaccinated. We had the Salk vaccine. Here's an article about the history of the 2 vaccines. Excerpt: "During his lifetime Sabin staunchly defended his live-virus vaccine, refusing to believe any evidence that it could cause paralytic poliomyelitis. Salk, for his part, believed that killed-virus vaccine produced equivalent protection in individuals and in communities without any risk for causing paralysis. Despite Sabin’s belief, the risk for paralysis from the live-virus vaccine does exist, although it is slight. In 1999 a federal advisory panel recommended that the United States return to Salk’s vaccine because it cannot accidentally cause polio. On the basis of a decade of additional evidence, this recommendation was reconfirmed in 2009."
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Almost as if the media is just Fake News.
Somebody should look into that.
Perhaps it’s alarming and sensational enough that people will read further. Anything for a click-through.
It's amazing how many people have such strong opinions based on the stuff the media tells them.
Also, what makes the lawyer an "ally" of RFK Jr? Kennedy didn't petition for decertification, right? I have friends and acquaintances who do all kinds of stupid things, which doesn't mean i sought for them to do such.
Speaking of people who believe everything they read and then spout off with authority: https://x.com/SenWarren/status/1867576860571287653
One out of 750,000 Sabin vaccines convert to active polio virus. 3,300 people have been paralyzed from the Sabin vaccine.
Why are you such an insufferable douche bag?
So I looked things up and learned (1) that little dimple on the upper arm comes from the smallpox vaccine and (2) that little white plastic thing with the little metal prongs on it wasn't a vaccine at all but was rather a tine test so maybe my memory is correct and it really was done by the school nurse who was a nice lady.
The WAPO has become an attractive nuisance.
Headlines should entice one to read the article and the first paragraph should be clear enough to dispel any confusion about the head. This headline is much better than recent Big Media trends in which the headline actually suggests the exact opposite of what happened, with the explanatory facts tucked into paragraph 16.
Boy, when I think about all the reckless endangerment my parents subjected me to. Omnipresent cigarette smoke, a curious sip of Dad's martini (yuk), scrambling around the tailgate of the station wagon as Mom barreled down the highway. Risky vaccines pale by comparison. In today's climate they would be in jail, and me and my siblings in foster care.
They haven't yet made the entire journey that Winston Smith made in 1984, where he finally realized that it not only had nothing to do with the truth, but that he was actually hurting the Party by making it credible. It was more important that the people believed complete nonsense, hence the famous "chocolate ration" quote.
Good parenting was, "Remember not to put your hand between the bed and the cab window while you ride back there, your hand could get crushed! Now let's go get some ice cream!"
I NEVER take the headline and just the lead paragraph as the real story; most of the time I start off with the assumption that the story has no basis in fact: especially if it relies on any unnamed sources. Then my conclusion is that it is made up.
Yes, that is a loaded headline. What I'm starting to wonder is whether or not it's done intentionally or it's become a mindset.
And they never learn: Yesterday, the media told us Hunter's laptop was Russia Disinformation. People found out that was a huge lie, perpetuated across ALL media outlets in the United States except the NY Post.
Now today, they'll believe the news again.
People are the problem.
It's filled with Deep State embeds working for the CIA/FBI/DOJ.
Let us know when you've figured out how manipulating people works. We'll wait for you to catch up.
This is the Gell-Mann amnesia effect. You read something in the paper that you know is incorrect, them turn the page and believe every word.
It's such an obvious misdirection. It must have been done deliberately.
Aaron Siri — a lawyer with a history of seeking to expand exemptions to vaccines — asked the Food and Drug Administration to suspend or withdraw approval of Sanofi’s polio vaccine for children.... In the 2022 petition, [Siri] raised questions about the safety of the polio vaccine and argued for more studies to be conducted.
So a lawyer who typically seeks exemptions for his clients' vaccines is asking the FDA to suspend approval of one. I.e., doing the responsible thing. And the WaPo makes him look like an antivax activist.
Do I have that right?
He must get tired of hearing "Hey, Siri, find me the nearest coffee shop" all day long.
You can never despise the media enough.
They also must have put the article outside of the pay wall, because I don't subscribe and was able to read it yesterday, and noticed the deception. I had to read carefully to see that it was about one particular polio vaccine.
WaPoo writers - still a pack of hacks.
It's hard to get some real facts on what's actually going on. One article I read said that the petition is demanding that the vaccination be run through placebo-controlled trials thereby exposing unvaccinated people to the potential for developing polio which some people think is unethical.
By focusing on the media manipulation rather than the underlying facts of the case everyone really misses the point of the issue. I agree that the press constantly screaming fire in a crowded theater is irresponsible. However, they anti-vaxxer mania that is championed by RFK Jr is a bit troubling.
That's it I still support his nomination because I believe and they checks and balances along with the deep state to prevent any of his brainworm ideas from becoming implemented.
The vaccine that Siri wants placebo controlled studies is not live virus.
so, serious (yet rhetorical) questions.
did the Media remove the THE for space reasons?
why DID the Media remove the THE?
did the Media intentionally remove the THE?
should THIS count as "misinformation"?
should reports About THIS count as "misinformation"?
Checking my history, I see I read it in the NYT, which
pulled the same stunt, and actually used "the polio vaccine" in its headline. But of course it was just an unintentional editing error.
The more accurate word would have been "a" not "the". Just one character (ok, three counting the spaces). As I noted, the NYT went the full monty and used "the" to inflame their Upper West Side readership.
Scientific studies have repeatedly shown the polio vaccine, the first formulations of which emerged in the 1950s, to be safe.
As if other formulations being safe means that all are safe. People don't question whether we need to test new car models for safety. Significant changes to something that is injected into babies deserves at least as much consideration.
Don't forget walking into town by yourself to buy a candy bar.
It's hard to get some real facts on what's actually going on. One article I read said that the petition is demanding that the vaccination be run through placebo-controlled trials thereby exposing unvaccinated people to the potential for developing polio which some people think is unethical.
I’m assuming they would use laboratory animals. But then again, we know what “assume” can mean.
To be fair, the CDC web site lists exactly one polio vaccine, which is the Sanofi formulation that is being challenged. So perhaps it really is *the* polio vaccine.
"So I looked things up and learned (1) that little dimple on the upper arm comes from the smallpox vaccine and (2) that little white plastic thing with the little metal prongs on it wasn't a vaccine at all but was rather a tine test so maybe my memory is correct and it really was done by the school nurse who was a nice lady."
The thing with the metal points was jabbed into your upper arm and then the smallpox vaccine was put over that area to soak in through the holes. Why the couldn't inject it, I don't know. But it wasn't a test for a disease. It was the way the smallpox vaccine was administered. I remember it well. That's why you got that largish scar. It wasn't injected into one small hole. It required a whole little area of skin to penetrate.
exposing unvaccinated people to the potential for developing polio
Children. Siri is arguing that scientists should expose unvaccinated children to polio. And no, he won't accept animal trials; his argument is specifically about human children. Obviously, no one's going to do that. He knows that and he knows why. He's a fantastic and he's just trying to sow distrust among people who don't carefully follow the issue. And of course, if anyone actually took him up on the idea and ran such a test, he'd scream that vaccine scientists are monsters because they deliberately expose children to diseases.
If I'm wrong. I apologize. Not trying to spread misinformation. Just saying what I remember and I was a witness.
the CDC web site lists exactly one polio vaccine, which is the Sanofi formulation that is being challenged. So perhaps it really is *the* polio vaccine.
This is correct. Siri himself proudly says this on Twitter. He's trying to take away the only polio vaccine available for children. Ann, you might want to append a note to this post conceding that the newspapers actually got this one right.
Wasn't the "tine test" for TB? I remember something like that being stuck on the soft underside of my forearm.
The tine test, also known as the Heaf test, is a skin test that uses multiple punctures to help diagnose tuberculosis (TB). The test involves injecting a tuberculin antigen into the skin using several small prongs called tines.
Then there's the batched of polio vaccine in the 1950s or 60s that were contaminated with a simian virus (SV40) from the monkey kidney cells in which it was cultured. You remember that explosion of cases of mesothelioma that are supposedly from asbestos exposure, even though there was massively more exposure to asbestos in earlier time periods but not so much mesothelioma? SV40 can cause mesothelioma in laboratory experiments.
Total coincidence, but there's SV40 DNA in the covid mRNA vaccines because SV40 can be used as a promoter/enhance. Crazy, huh?
Even crazier, the FDA never bothered to assess whether or not the SV40 material could get into human DNA. Oops.
anti-vaxxer mania that is championed by RFK Jr
Really? Talk about painting with a broad brush. Kennedy's goals are far different from Howard's hair-on-fire take. A doctor's opinion:
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is fully vaccinated, and so is his family, according to Dr. Drew Pinsky. He tells “On Balance” that Kennedy’s major goal regarding vaccines is to make them subject to the same “scientific rigor” as all other medications. "On Balance with Leland Vittert" 11/14/2024 handy cut and paste link below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO_l7KSIrfI
I heard RFK Jr. is floating the banning of the polio vaccine so seems like a good time to remind folks that RFK Jr. was vaccinated with this same vaccine and therefore is at no risk of harm himself.
Kinda like when he publicly was against the Covid vaccine yet privately required his guests to have it.
Guests urged to be vaccinated at anti-vaxxer Robert F Kennedy Jr’s party
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/18/robert-f-kennedy-jr-cheryl-hines-party-vaccinated-guests
Words have meaning. And the use of them, or non-use of them can change the entire meaning of sentence or thought. Bill Clinton knew this when he posited "it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
Maybe it could be tested in utero on the fetus before it is aborted so that babies are not put at risk. Or something like that.
Amazing to read 80% of comments above.
Do you just think it's all magic?
Best sensible comment points out that this is currently THE polio vaccine.
I like her last line: "You can't make this stuff up".
Yeah, you can.
"What I'm starting to wonder is whether or not it's done intentionally or it's become a mindset."
Please tell us you're kidding.
"Best sensible comment points out that this is currently THE polio vaccine."
Read Siri's petition, linked in the post, and you'll know why THAT is. Proceed from there, and I will regard you as "sensible."
https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Petition-IPOL-2022-08-23.pdf
"It's hard to get some real facts on what's actually going on."
It is. Too bad we don't have an institution in our society to help us with that.
People hear the word vaccine and assume all vaccines are completely safe and effective. Vaccines are a great medical advance that have saved countless lives, but they all have side effects. A small number of people die from vaccines. Indeed, vaccine makers are not held liable for the full costs of these side effects, otherwise, vaccines wouldn’t get made.
It's another 'Hegseth dunk' maneuver. They dredged up a 2-year-old story about a guy's arguably reasonable demand to improve vaccine safety, and turned it into a 'Dangerous Crank at Work' story. They're trying to pre-bunk Juniors' confirmation hearing, laying groundwork. Or should I say, 'pre-dunk'?
Once you've seen the Progressive Legacy Mainstream Media's busy production lines at work, you can't unsee them. Wait'll they get to Elon, anybody can see that coming.
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