He courted the show’s young male audience by floating the idea of eliminating the income tax, talking about mixed martial arts fighters, praising the military skills of Gen. Robert E. Lee and speculating that there was “no reason not to think” there could be life on Mars and other planets....
Why not say he "courted" the old women (like me) by talking about the length of the bed in the Lincoln bedroom and how badly depressed Mary Todd Lincoln was after her son Tad died?
Mr. Rogan seemed to back Mr. Trump’s questioning of election processes, at one point likening those who raised concerns over elections to those who questioned coronavirus vaccines.
“You get labeled an election denier,” Mr. Rogan said. “It’s like being labeled an anti-vaxxer if you question some of the health consequences that people have from the Covid-19 shots.”...
What I thought was so interesting was the first topic: how Trump felt when he found himself suddenly President. If that's not a topic for women, I don't know what is, especially when Trump centered the description on his interest in seeing the Lincoln bedroom and imagining the feelings of Abe and Mary. I loved Trump's (seeming) openness, as he repeatedly described his subjective experience as "surreal."
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Watching. Interesting to listen to Trump in the context of the rats fleeing the bad ship Kamala. I suppose when you need to turn on a dime from ‘Will Trump accept the results of the election?’ to not accepting the results of the election, you must believe you need to shift early, long before the results are in…
Debunked never happened. Vote fraud is real Democrats made it their top priority
What I thought was so interesting was the first topic: how Trump felt when he found himself suddenly President. If that's not a topic for women, I don't know what is
Interesting…Trump’s a feminine guy, ya?
I'm watching it. I think most people who watch for themselves will key in on how The View hosts flip flopped about Trump. The segment comes up early and builds a foundation for Trump's assertions about unfair mainstream / establishment treatment. Recall that Madonna wanted to burn down the White House, Kathy Griffin made a fake bloody Trump head, and NYC play actors "killed" in a play...then real assassination attempts... Trump mentions the number of Presidents killed in office...the world's most dangerous job...
Regarding The View, he said Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters "loved" him in 2015 when he first ran for president. "Then the machine took over" and changed the message because Trump threatened the establishment.
A 2018 story about his visits to The View:
https://abcnews.go.com/theview/video/donald-trumps-appearances-view-53201876
Most assassination efforts against US Presidents targeted Republicans, with JFK a notable exception (insert Deep State theories as desired):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
"Interesting…Trump’s a feminine guy, ya?"
I've talked about Trump's feminine side a few times on this blog. There's something womanly about him. Some of the aversion to him is based on the dissonance people feel (as exhibited in the fuss over his hair, which predates his political phase).
The aversion is homophobic/misogynistic, by the way.
Yeah, and Trump was really serious in his imagined choces when sharks and boats with electric motors came together. Talking for three hours is crazy in and of itself, Ann.
And then there was infamous town hall north of Philly where he said: "You know, people talk about Hannibal Lecter like he’s real...but he's not!" Trump rambled, leaving many attendees scratching their heads. The mention of Lecter was entirely out of place as Trump transitioned from there to reading answers to approved questions from has teleprompter to taking shots at political opponents.
One rally-goer remarked, "It was strange—he kept talking like January 5th was election day. I hope people don’t actually get mixed up by that."
As the rally wound down, Trump’s confusion seemed to deepen when he acted uncertain about ending the event. After someone suggested it was time to conclude and play a walk-off song, Trump appeared to hesitate before standing frozen in place on stage. Supporters began filing out of the venue, but Trump swaying silently as music played for over 30 minutes. It appears that Trump's doctor needs to increase his daily Rexulti dosage.
This is the last election where the corporate media plays a significant role.
More people believing a lie doesn't make it the truth.
I don't know if it is feminine, but some people just have the gift of gab.
When you finish the Rogan interview, go find and listen to the interviews he did with Theo Vonn and Sean Ryan. He’s not the same brash Trump that the media makes him out to be, he’s far more feeling, reflective, and insightful, whether you agree with him or want to vote for him or not.
‘fly on his home turd… er, turf…
Rogan called it at 28:29 when saying
“they're going to take what you said about Robert E Lee oh Donald Trump Wishes the South won”
I’ve watched the first hour or so, and it’s been just an interesting conversation, and it’s a conversation that goes both ways. Trump was interested in finding out about Rogan. That story about landing a blacked out Airforce One in Iraq was one I’d never heard before, for instance. Well worth a watch.
Trump/Rogan interview is worth watching. I watched the first hour last night. I was surprised by what Trump had to say. He spoke at length about political and economic history, and the merits of tariffs versus income taxes, as well as the history of assassination of presidents. I’d sort of bought into the left’s insistent claim that Trump wasn’t well read. That’s BS. I’ll watch (or rather listen) to the rest of the interview over the next couple of days. This interview might reach 80 to 100 million people.
I appreciate that he is a student of American history. When he drops these nuggets and reflections into a conversation, you can tell he has read a wide range of books on the subject. It’d be good for both he and Vance to lightly weave our history into their speeches and answers whenever it fits the topic.
He is the wrong person to ask if he will accept the results of the election. What are the pussy hat wearers going to do this time?
I'm now twenty minutes into the podcast. Apparently acknowledging an historic fact, that Lee was an excellent general, is now "praising" his military skills. The South did have excellent military leaders. The North won because of it had far superior manufacturing and transportation infrastructure.
The aversion is homophobic/misogynistic
She claimed, without evidence.
In my opinion, [t]he aversion is homophobic/misogynistic [...]
She declared.
Projection is a hell of a drug, Rich.
Prof, I think part of Trump’s feminine side comes from the Manhattan finance thing of behaving in a very self assured macho way while simultaneously being very fastidious about one’s appearance, home, possessions, etc., which is usually associated with femininity. And of course as a sales guy being able to show empathy and interest in others’ stories, which is also seen as feminine. If you see the dissonance as insincere, it’s definitely offputting. But even if you like him, i can see how it could be weird for people who are not used to this sort of people.
Something similar happens with military men: simultaneously assertive and dominant, but also almost maternally caring about subordinates and obsessive about neatness, cleanliness, exact arrangements of things, etc. one online military cartoon had a recurring series of “It’s Already Gay” cartoons when Obama was trying to repeal DADT.
JSM
Don't forget Lincoln's secret weapon: General McClellan. Without him, the south may have thought the north was, you know, competent and been more cautious in their choices of battles.
Yah, I would need that claim explained. I would agree Trump displays certain feminine qualities and perhaps the contradiction of masculine/feminine is confusing to some, but how that equates to misogyny/homophobia is not apparent to me..
Now you're just jacking off.
I think most everyone, both men and women, are combinations of both “masculine” and “feminine” traits. In fact, I don’t know which traits are “masculine” or “feminine.” Is being artistic or literary feminine? Most famous artists and writers were men. Is athleticism masculine? The Olympics would suggest otherwise. How about extroversion?
But I really don’t care if our president is masculine or feminine, articulate or inarticulate, or anything like that. I’m more concerned if he or she will lead us towards peace and prosperity, or towards war and economic ruin.
DJT went to a military academy as a teenager. No doubt in his history classes he learned about the brilliance of Robert E Lee. During his presidency, Eisenhower had Lee's portrait prominently hung in the Oval Office.
Trump is well read in economics, political history and all the issues. The left’s portrayal of him as an illiterate yahoo gets busted by the Rogan interview.
"He courted the show’s young male audience"
I'm watching while writing this and I feel almost sixty again. I'll be feeling about 57 by the time I'm done, and that's not a bad thing. Both Rogan and Trump are older and wiser people than the ones we saw four years ago. Change is good.
How's that Russian Collusion working out for you??
Which means of course that Eisenhower must have wanted to re-enslave all the blacks. That's why he mobilized the Arkansas NG and sent them to Little Rock. I know, its confusing, but trust me on this.
Trump is so different one-on-one. He comes off much better than he does when giving a formal speech. The shouting tone of voice in a speech is very off-putting.
Harris is the opposite. One-on-one she's very cringey, but she is quite good in giving prepared speeches.
Nazi generals far outshone their American counterparts.. We overwhelmed the Wehrmacht with our industrial might.
Jeez. Just as I'm reading about real-time fraud going on right now in Pennsylvania- in multiple locations, the NYT is out there talking about the 'debunked' claims from the last election.
Nothing was debunked. And you don't get to just say it's a done topic by you declaring it 'debunked'. It was simply not investigated.
I'll be listening to Joe Rogan's podcast this morning. I'm not a young male voter. I'm an older guy. And I already voted. Nothing any of them have to say can change that. Not even Bruce Springsteen. Hilarious.
How much cussing is in the episode? I rarely listen to Rogan clips because usually there's an f bomb or three and I really dislike that word. But I loved the Theo Von podcast and was surprised there wasn't any cussing. Enjoyed the JD Vance episode with Von too because they kept it mostly clean as well.
It's entirely possible that for three hours nothing worthwhile happened and it's all a stupid distraction for pretty much everyone.
…probable, possible, c’est the meme chose…
I respectfully disagree. Trump's not gay, and he's not a woman. The people who hate him don't hate him as a person. They hate him as a symbol. The people who feel this hatred don't realize how much they've been manipulated by the media. As soon as he's out of office, the hatred will dissipate into nothingness.
At some point in the future liberals will talk about the good things Trump did, and how bad J.D. Vance or Ron DeSantis is in comparison. "You want to outlaw abortion! That's awful! Pro-lifers are Nazis. Why can't you be respectful of democracy like Donald Trump?"
See "Dick Cheney, former Nazi, now rehabilitated."
Trump calls this hatred part of the game and I don't think he holds any grudges about it.
Anyway, it's not misogyny or homophobia. It's anti-Republican partisan horseshit, manufactured by Pravda media. I've heard it all my life.
There is an old saying, amateurs talk about tactics, professionals talk about logistics.
The interview is so weird. Joe asks questions and Trump just answers the questions. He just straight up answers the questions without hesitation. Such a contrast from Harris.
If Clinton was the first Black President, Trump was first female President.
What john mosby said. Also I think Trump is a typical NYC trash talker, which is off-putting out in the rest of the country but only skin deep, not serious. Like fire back in kind and get over it.
I know you're being somewhat sarcastic but Eisenhower first nationalized the Arkansas NG and confined them to their barracks, then sent the 101st Airborne to Little Rock ... which really messes with the whole "only a dictator would order Federal troops to enforce the law" argument.
@John Mosby, see Denzel Washington's portrayal of McCall in the Equalizer movies. Fiction, sure, but there may be some basis in fact.
Liberals are extremely poor judges of character and easily bamboozled by the professional liars.
How, then, is it that people who declare themselves free from homophobia and misogyny are the ones who hate him so? That's not their motivation, as I see it. It's based on (1) he took the Precious from Hillary, and (2) reflexive hatred of anyone who's a Republican.
My college-age girls and I listened to the Theo Von interview and absolutely loved it. He comes across as very kind and interested in Theo, and reflective about his brother’s alcoholism. It’s a very good interview for both of them.
I don't see any feminine side, and no gender confusion at all. It's women that see the feminine side via projection, I'd buy that. Just another reason they're no good in elections. It ties in with "he seems to mean well."
The aversion is tribal. Laptop Republicans(white collar) never really get on with builders(blue collar/working class).
Trump is symbolic of the working man takeover of the Republican party. The snooty snoots hate him for it.
To the extent Trump is "feminine" reflects his natural empathy. He clearly engages and listens to those around him and is a naturally trusting person.
Rogan is tedious so I won't even try it. The Don Imus interview would be the standard for good stuff. Everything in ten minutes.
I know you are trolling with this.
It is class/tribal not whatever you said. The White collar Republicans are bitter the Blue Collar Republicans took the party from them.
Yes and it’s been a week or so of cascading vote rigging news from the USPS van in MN full of completed ballots helpfully secured with red or blue zip ties left open and unattended, the stolen ballots in CO that were oops “already counted” to the 7 million “excess” ballots in CA mailed out to Democrats and the “widespread ballot fraud” in PA which I have been reliably informed doesn’t happen. But don’t leave out the DOJ threatening AZ and actually suing VA to force the states to allow illegal immigrants to vote. I’m sure this brief roundup is missing some active but still super fucking rare ballot shenanigans but I am simply here to second and amplify Temujin’s point.
They are playing a significant role this election?
Always important to remember just how dumb these people are.
People have original source material gadfly. Your media lies and stupidity just mark you out as someone who justifies their hate and evil motivations with Regime lies and propaganda.
Althouse has to do the feminist bit in all things. This has become an annoying reality in dealing with most women. My late wife, a Filipina, refused to buy into this bullshit, but I meet very few women who don’t trot out this crap.
Trump is at least 4 standard deviations to the right on IQ. He does things differently than others who don't understand him and his detractors fall to confirmation bias and tend to be myopic.
Trump is smarter than anyone who supported Ron Desantis.
The biggest contrast to Harris, especially evident in long-form interviews like this, is that Trump speaks with an enormous amount of detail and confidence. Two elements that are starkly absent from Harris’s verbal diarrhea.
Ah but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now.
If Harris had refused another debate and went on this podcast, would you also focus on her "interesting" stories about the first few days as VP?
Althouse usually responds fairly and accurately to political speeches and interviews. Six months ago, she was expressing her hope that Trump would drop out of the race and quit politics.
Not even one in ten-thousand honest listeners would have that reaction. It’s impossible to see either Biden or Harris able to sustain even 30 unedited consecutive minutes of such conversation. Trump is amazingly open and honest about his thoughts and feelings. Granted I am just now watching it after listening to most of it last night. But if I see even a whiff of Biden like “confusion” I’ll return to this spot to apologize to Gadfly. Keep in mind this is THREE HOURS compared to our current Chief Executive who cannot handle a 3-minute press conference.
Just listened to the first 45 minutes of this podcast. What strikes me is that no other politician could do it like Trump does it. He is a one-off type of persona. He is constantly in a free-form mode. He often doesn't even finish off a sentence, knowing that you'll finish it off in your own mind, while he's quickly moving on to his next thought.
But...he is fully engaged. No bullshit. No pre-set sentences or entire paragraphs to repeat. I cannot imagine Kamala making it through 15 minutes of this before her staff would have to wildly wave her off and wave off the rest of the interview.
The gap between the competent Trump and the completely in over her head Harris could not be greater.
One other thing hit me from this first hour. In his first term, Trump knew nothing and no one. He had zero connections in political Washington DC. Sure- he knew faces and names, but he didn't know how it worked, who was capable, who would be loyal, who would be competent. And he had to build a cabinet and deep team without that knowledge. And frankly- even with all this, and a never ending barrage of attacks, impeachment processes, and press harassment, he accomplished a ton in his first term.
When he wins this election, this time he'll be going into Washington DC with the knowledge of how it works, and who should be on his team. This will be a far more impactful term. One for the ages. I look forward to it.
I loved Trump's (seeming) openness, as he repeatedly described his subjective experience as "surreal."
Watch out Ann... you might become a Trumper yet. Trump is real.. what you see is him. Kamala.. well all we see is word salads or worse... fake stuff.
And don't hide your American flag.. fly it cause you are proud of your country, warts and all.
Steve Sailer suggests Trump was heavily influenced by another notable NY trash talker, George Steinbrenner.
It's got to be a parody account mocking bich, right?
The onstage character is one he sheds as soon as he leaves the stage. Twelve years with a top ten network TV show was excellent prep for his stage persona.
I don't follow Rogan, but I pop in for podcasts from time to time, if it's an interesting guest. This is the most focused I've seen him in a while - often he looks like he's just toked a blunt down (one of the reasons I don't follow him). But he was sharp and focused for this interview, and even had on a decent shirt !
Not a bad showing for both, I think. Trump's stream-of-consciousness style of speaking is off-putting for me, he jumps all over and uses hyperbolic, inarticulate characterizations ('those people - they're horrible, the worst !') to an extreme degree - but then, this has been an effective way for him to relate to the blue collar class, it's one of his tactics. I thought he acquitted himself well with Rogan, and Rogan came across as quite eager for the conversation. I think he's a bigger fan than he lets on.......
Harris refused the Fox debate. Once her polls dropped following the DNC (no bump at all) she reversed course.
It continues to make me kinda sad. Seeing how sharp a 70+ guy is who never drank. That sadly makes me wonder what I’ve done to my head. ;)
Does that mean an aversion to masculine women is homophobic/misandrist?
Omar Bradley said that.
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