Althouse: Sunrise

September 20, 2024

Sunrise — 6:47.

96 comments:

Iman said...: "Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality the cost becomes prohibitive."

—— William F. Buckley, Jr.; 9/20/24, 6:01 PM
wendybar said...: Who ELECTED her??

Did Joe die?? Where is he, and WHY isn't he performing his duties as President??

Comfortably Smug
@ComfortablySmug

INBOX:

Biden's honorary legislation folders have Jill's emblazoned signature

When did we elect her President?

https://x.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1837174264908169538; 9/20/24, 6:01 PM
narciso said...: Shes channelling edith wilson

Meanwhile ibrahim ajil the last member of the beirut marine barracks attack met his 72 virgins 41 years earlier; 9/20/24, 6:04 PM
Jersey Fled said...: Biden held his first cabinet meeting today in 11 months. He ran out of steam after a few minutes and turned the meeting over to … not Kamala. DR. JIIL !

Even the Bidens know Kamala isn’t up to running anything.; 9/20/24, 6:08 PM
narciso said...: 41 years later now we should congratulate netanyahu; 9/20/24, 6:09 PM
Original Mike said...: Trump Flips Script: Posts ‘Kamala’s Project 2025’

Please hit this hard, Trump-Team.; 9/20/24, 6:16 PM
Eva Marie said...: So you’re saying, that given the choice AND having seen Kamala’s performance as border czar, Joe Biden prefers his wife to take over his duties rather than Kamala.; 9/20/24, 6:21 PM
narciso said...: So it would appear to be; 9/20/24, 6:21 PM
Eva Marie said...: He apparently isn’t as brain addled as Democrat voters.; 9/20/24, 6:23 PM
narciso said...: https://x.com/EzraACohen/status/1837245092358230118; 9/20/24, 6:24 PM
narciso said...: Whos side is he on, rhetorical; 9/20/24, 6:24 PM
narciso said...: https://x.com/DisrespectedThe/status/1836906243211842003; 9/20/24, 6:27 PM
Jersey Fled said...: How come every time I see a video of a Kamala rally it’s 90% women.

Can’t they hire enough male actors?; 9/20/24, 6:29 PM
West TX Intermediate Crude said...: No Democratic voters have voted for K-mom for president.
But, yes, they are brain addled.; 9/20/24, 6:30 PM
narciso said...: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1837102908279849272; 9/20/24, 6:31 PM
narciso said...: Jeff bridges is on the set of the old man a pretty good series but that performance is embarassing; 9/20/24, 6:32 PM
Jersey Fled said...: He might be the worst actor in the cast. The rest are very good.; 9/20/24, 6:35 PM
narciso said...: John lithgow is understated in his performance; 9/20/24, 6:42 PM
narciso said...: The iranian actor negahban who often plays the villain; 9/20/24, 6:46 PM
Heartless Aztec said...: Lake Mendota is one of my favorite lakes in America...; 9/20/24, 6:46 PM
narciso said...: https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1837102908279849272; 9/20/24, 6:56 PM
Original Mike said...: Don't expect to see Inga here tonight.

Georgia’s law does NOT criminalize doing a D&C (nor does any other state law), especially when there is no detectable fetal heart rate (which there weren’t in this case).

GA’s law also allows for a D&C, even with a detectable heartbeat, to prevent the death or serious physical impairment of a pregnant woman. It prevents a D&C that has the sole intent of ending the life of a preborn human being."; 9/20/24, 6:59 PM
tcrosse said...: They may have couped Joe, but it will take more than Pelosi to coup Jill.; 9/20/24, 7:00 PM
Iman said...: Lady MacBiden!; 9/20/24, 7:01 PM
narciso said...: She really has become a ghoul was she always one i cant say; 9/20/24, 7:09 PM
Inga said...: “Thurman could have been cured with a D&C, or dilation and curettage, a procedure in which the cervix is dilated to create an opening through which instruments can be inserted to empty out the contents of a uterus. The procedure is a popular form of abortion, but it is also a routine part of miscarriage and other gynecological care. If the tissue was promptly removed, she probably would have been fine: a D&C requires no special equipment and takes only about 15 minutes.

But Georgia’s abortion ban outlawed the D&C procedure, making it a felony to perform except in cases of managing a “spontaneous” or “naturally occurring” miscarriage. Because Thurman had taken abortion pills, her miscarriage was illegal to treat. She suffered in a hospital bed for 20 hours, developing sepsis and beginning to experience organ failure. By the time the Georgia doctors were finally willing to treat her, it was too late.“

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/sep/19/georgia-abortion-ban; 9/20/24, 7:21 PM
Michael K said...: She has gone crazy but I don't know why. I suspect someone is feeding her craziness with phony links.; 9/20/24, 7:21 PM
Michael K said...: Another link that does not confirm her argument.; 9/20/24, 7:23 PM
Inga said...: “The bill exempts "removing a dead unborn child caused by spontaneous abortion," also known as a miscarriage, or "removing an ectopic pregnancy," which is a pregnancy in which the fetus develops outside the uterus

https://www.savannahnow.com/story/news/healthcare/2022/08/29/savannah-ga-abortion-miscarriage-heartbeat-bill/10263963002/; 9/20/24, 7:35 PM
Iman said...: It’s reported that the debate whistleblower has filed two complaints with the SEC against ABC/Disney… heh, we’ll see where this goes.; 9/20/24, 7:36 PM
Inga said...: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2024/09/20/amber-thurman-georgia-abortion-law-propublica-investigation/75291366007/#

“Thurman became septic in the hospital due to excess tissue in her uterus that did not shed from her body, causing a serious infection. Thurman needed a dilation and curettage, or D&C, a procedure in which tissue is removed from inside the uterus. However, Georgia's ban considers a D&C a felony if performed outside of specific circumstances and could land doctors behind bars for up to 10 years.”; 9/20/24, 7:41 PM
Original Mike said...: Inga, you're just posting stuff you posted yesterday.; 9/20/24, 7:48 PM
Original Mike said...: Inga said: "However, Georgia's ban considers a D&C a felony if performed outside of specific circumstances and could land doctors behind bars for up to 10 years.”

""The reason Georgia’s abortion law is not responsible for Thurman’s death is simple, it explicitly allows physicians to intervene in cases of medical emergencies or if the fetus has no detectable heartbeat, both of which applied in Thurman’s case," AAPLOG's Dr. Christina Francis wrote in an op-ed at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution."; 9/20/24, 7:51 PM
Promises made Promises kept said...: Billionaire hedge funder John Paulson says he’ll yank his money from market if Kamala Harris wins election
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/billionaire-hedge-fund-manager-says-he-would-pull-his-money-from-market-harris-wins-election

This is the crazy billionaire version of moving to Canada. No one moved, and billionaires love money too much to pull out of the market.; 9/20/24, 7:55 PM
Inga said...: “It’s the combination of the vague wording and high personal stakes for the medical providers that create a situation where a patient like Thurman can fall through the cracks, said Greer Donley, an associate professor of law at the University of Pittsburgh who is a national expert on abortion.

“They’re afraid that if they act too quickly, they could lose their freedom, their vocation, everything – like the stakes are exceptionally high,” Donley said. “And so, you have to understand when you think about the vague laws, how you would act, how any rational person would act when those are the stakes of trying to understand vague laws.”

But she also said in Thurman’s case, the risk of prosecution would have been low since the fetus was deceased when Thurman arrived at the hospital. Doctors met at least twice to discuss whether to perform a D&C, according to ProPublica.

Still, Georgia’s law is not crystal clear on that point either, Donley said. The law says it is not an abortion to remove a dead fetus if the fetus died because of a spontaneous miscarriage.

“This just shows you the types of questions that have to be answered at the very outset, like whether it was an abortion at all, and then from there, the next question becomes, if it’s an abortion, at what point is her health in such great risk that the medical exception kicks in,” Donley said.

Still, Donley said, despite the ambiguity, it is clear that the doctors should have acted in Thurman’s situation.“

Alabamareflector; 9/20/24, 7:57 PM
n.n said...: It is also not a crime to remove the remnants of a baby that has previously been aborted. In fact, the danger of chemical homicides is born in the remainder of the carbon-based tissue of the child that was not expunged through natural process or anthropogenic intrusion. #HateLovesAbortion; 9/20/24, 8:17 PM
n.n said...: Emigration reform to mitigate progress and collateral damage at both ends of the bridge and throughout. Democrats are in bed with corporate collusion (e.g. Obamacares) and redistributive change (e.g. progressive prices or capital extraction).; 9/20/24, 8:22 PM
Maynard said...: Best to just ignore the crazy Harpy.; 9/20/24, 8:24 PM
Inga said...: “Georgia’s committee has 32 regular members from a variety of backgrounds, including OB-GYNs, cardiologists, mental health care providers, a medical examiner, health policy experts, community advocates and others. This summer, the committee reviewed deaths through Fall 2022, but most states have not gotten that far.

After reviewing Thurman’s case, the committee highlighted Piedmont’s “lack of policies/procedures in place to evacuate uterus immediately” and recommended all hospitals implement policies “to treat a septic abortion on an ongoing basis.”

Piedmont did not have a policy to guide doctors on how to interpret the state abortion ban when Thurman arrived for care, according to two people with knowledge of internal conversations who were not authorized to speak publicly. In the months after she died, an internal task force of providers there created policies to educate staff on how to navigate the law, though they are not able to give legal advice, the sources said.“

Kentuckylantern; 9/20/24, 8:38 PM
n.n said...: Nurse Machete. Women lack dignity and intelligence, the right to perform human rites will not be aborted... and their partners will be spared the "burden" of evidence through carbon sequestration.

While not a cat or dog, we must recall the underage girl raped... rape-rapef by her mother's illegal alien boyfriend... partner, then sacrificed the child in darkness in the bowels of an abortion chamber to spare the burden for social progressive sects.

All's fair in lust and abortion. Let us bray.; 9/20/24, 8:39 PM
Drago said...: My gosh you are dense Abacus Boy and LLR-democratical Rich!

Hundreds of billions have been flowing into cash accounts throughout 2023 and 24...because your commie heroes are obliterating everything.

"The Federal Reserve is still deciding when to cut interest rates. In the meantime, retail investors are happy to hold cash in order to take advantage of high rates. Additionally, brokerages and other financial institutions are trying to win over potential customers by offering competing interest rates for that cash. For example, Wealthfront offers 5% APY, Robinhood also offers 5% APY to its Gold customers, and Titan offers 5.29% APY, and up to 6% APY for customers who refer friends."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-most-popular-asset-in-retail-investor-portfolios-cash-464fcdc6

Thanks for playing Rich! Perhaps you should simply head off and take a nap now.; 9/20/24, 8:49 PM
rehajm said...: Paulson isn’t known for bluffing moves for the sake of politics. I expect he’ll make good on his promise and others will follow. So far we’re not seeing those kinds of trades in the hopper but there’s a lot of cash not going to work…; 9/20/24, 8:57 PM
Big Mike said...: Things l, however painful to contemplate, that need to be considered:

(1) Did the doctors deliberately allow Amber Nicole Thurman to die in the expectation, or at least hope, that her painful death would embarrass the legislature into repealing the law?

(2) We are told that her death was the consequence of a “rare” side effect. Precisely how rare is it?

(3) Related to the second point, death being a very serious side effect of Ms. Thurman’s abortion medication, was the decision to certify the drug for use the correct medical decision? Or was it merely a political decision, not justified by a proper evaluation of the medical risks?; 9/20/24, 9:01 PM
Jamie said...: Not sure if it's needed, but... Italico?; 9/20/24, 9:23 PM
Eva Marie said...: Inga, you do realize you were kinda led to the wrong conclusions by the sources you cited. Although even those sources imply that the medication this poor woman took was probably wrong for her. She either wasn’t capable of following the directions properly or the clinic wasn’t careful how they dispensed the medication.; 9/20/24, 9:25 PM
Original Mike said...: Well done.; 9/20/24, 9:26 PM
Mutaman said...: Looks like Inga and The Althouse Know Nothings have a relationship that is emotional and digital in nature, not physical.; 9/20/24, 9:27 PM
Original Mike said...: So, the unclosed-tag problem behaves differently depending on which of the two comment modes is active.; 9/20/24, 9:28 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: VIA X: "Jill Biden is kicking off the first cabinet meeting the White House has had in almost a year and we’re expected to act like this is normal."

Is this true? There is video over there, but you know how it is now days. Can't trust nuthin.; 9/20/24, 9:35 PM
Mutaman said...: Dr. Christina Francis, the CEO of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists? She's also been an expert witness for the GOP. That means she gets paid by the GOP, Sparky.; 9/20/24, 9:35 PM
Christopher B said...: I've noticed that also. Something in the threaded comment coding closes the open tags at the next thread.

I wouldn't really consider it an unclosed tag, however. The coding won't let you post a comment with an open tag BUT it appears that it mistakenly accepts a malformed closing tag with the slash after the letter rather than before as a valid closing tag.; 9/20/24, 9:44 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Via X : Kamala Harris has a word salad tell: Watch the arms come up and start directing an invisible orchestra. Once you notice it, you can't un-notice it.; 9/20/24, 9:45 PM
Inga said...: Absolutely not. If there is tissue that remains in the uterus after a birth, a natural miscarriage or an abortion there is a likelihood of infection if the tissue isn’t removed in a timely manner.; 9/20/24, 9:46 PM
Eva Marie said...: So you’re agreeing that the clinic needed to schedule follow up visits.; 9/20/24, 9:50 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Caitlin Clark Calling a baseball play by play What else can this woman do?; 9/20/24, 9:55 PM
Eva Marie said...: It seems, in this case, a lot of bad decisions were made - many of them by the woman who died. And those bad decisions had nothing to do with the law that was in place.; 9/20/24, 10:03 PM
Eva Marie said...: This was posted yesterday on Instapundit. This video of an extremely dismissive Kamala Harris is really tough to understand.
https://x.com/bccover/status/1836741286314770891?s=46; 9/20/24, 10:14 PM
Gerda Sprinchorn said...: We are getting close to WWIII with Russia. Maybe we should ask the candidates to talk about their thinking on this? In some depth, pretty please?; 9/20/24, 10:28 PM
Mutaman said...: The rule of Lemnity said...

"Via X : Kamala Harris has a word salad tell:"

"Word salad" is the new Know Nothing go to phrase. Which they now all use because none of them have any imagination. And its all very ironic considering Trump pretty much invented the activity.; 9/20/24, 10:35 PM
Eva Marie said...: Maybe they use “word salad” because she famously ate her salad with a comb.; 9/20/24, 10:39 PM
Eva Marie said...: I was wrong.It was Amy Klobuchar. My apologies.; 9/20/24, 10:42 PM
wendybar said...: Not only is THAT true, but they also embossed Acting President Jill's name on the honorary legislation folder..
Video of her presiding, AND of her signature on the folder in the following...

https://x.com/ComfortablySmug/status/1837174264908169538; 9/21/24, 2:13 AM
wendybar said...: IF you were trying to destroy America, WHAT would you do any differently than what the Progressives are doing to us now??
Seems to me, like the party of women, actually hates women.

"158 Democrats voted against a bill that would ensure “aliens who have been convicted of or who have committed sex offenses or domestic violence are inadmissible and deportable.”
In addition to deporting migrants convicted of sex crimes, the legislation would also deem illegal immigrants who admit to domestic violence or sex-related charges — or are convicted of them — to be inadmissible in the U.S."

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/158-democrats-oppose-bill-deporting-noncitizens-convicted-of-sex-crimes/; 9/21/24, 2:22 AM
wendybar said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 9/21/24, 2:45 AM
wendybar said...: It took Progressives years to admit Hunters laptop was real, and there are still some on this blog that think Russian Collusion was real. Keep an eye on your cats.; 9/21/24, 2:45 AM
Humperdink said...: How do liberals ignore the fact that abortion kills a live human being? My daughter, the one born with significant physical maladies, is an ultrasound technician specializing in the pre-born. Saving one life at a time.; 9/21/24, 4:48 AM
Tina Trent said...: Propublica refrained from clearly investigating and writing about the medical delay decisions -- not based on Georgia law nor, per courts, ignorance of it -- until long after the tragic death and the settlement compensation for medical malpractice had been resolved, with the accompanying non-disclosure. One hospital in question has quite a record of medical errors and fraud.

Do the victims of either case deserve excited Meryl Streep tears? Of course, but hundreds of thousands of other also do for horrific med-mal not related to abortion.

This was all -- all -- merely grim, exploitative theater. Both women who died had multiple places to go to receive timely, legally-informed medical care: Grady Hospital, Feminist Woman's Health Center, Planned Parenthood, multiple other clinics, all medically reputable, at least three undoubtedly known to them, or if not, a helpline or ten away. Tragically, neither their families nor they followed instructions to act quickly enough. And where the hell were the grown men who impregnated them? Absent.

Also, one patient likely should not have received that sort of abortion due to underlying conditions without competent medical oversight. Her body was also found to have fentanyl and other painkillers. Since it is alleged she was too ill to see a doctor, how did she acquire them? Were they prescribed? By whom? Why isn't any doctor charged with negligence there? So the medical board did not deem it an abortion complication death, and ProPublica, a political firm, wormholed all this crucial evidence.

Tragic and horrible? But not because of Georgia law. Democrat fear-mongering may have killed these women. But I frankly don't think that little of them -- I believe it is a narrative constructed after their deaths. I believe the lawyers, journalists, doctors, hospitals, and activists looking to exploit these cases or avoid professional consequences, are lying and concealing the real facts.; 9/21/24, 5:21 AM
Breezy said...: No joy there….!; 9/21/24, 5:27 AM
tcrosse said...: I await gender affirmation care for the pre-born. This would make it transphobic to abort.; 9/21/24, 6:08 AM
Jersey Fled said...: “Dr. Christina Francis, the CEO of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists? She's also been an expert witness for the GOP. That means she gets paid by the GOP, Sparky.”

I’m glad Mutaman clarified this. Now we can disregard anyone who has ever been an expert witness for the Democrat party.; 9/21/24, 6:20 AM
Scott Patton said...: Quote below taken from:
Immigration Is Better Than Industrial Policy
Not an endorsement the article, but certainly an endorsement of the quote. I saw it at cafehayek.com this morn.

"We have heard a whole lot over the past eight years about the need to revitalize blue-collar America.
But factories don’t operate because presidents dump billions of borrowed dollars into places chosen for politically strategic reasons. Widgets don’t get made and the supply chain doesn’t keep churning along because the president orders it—no, not even if he uses the word “hereby.” "; 9/21/24, 6:52 AM
Promises made Promises kept said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 9/21/24, 7:42 AM
Rusty said...: I told ya. There are going to beJills finger nail gouges on the door jamb of the Whitehouse.; 9/21/24, 7:58 AM
Promises made Promises kept said...: Like John Paulson knows anything about the markets. He is of below average intelligence and skill (based on Wall Street consensus). He only ever did one good trade, the Big Short in 2007-08. He has consistently lost money ever since. His AUM shrank completely since , he is now managing only his only dwindling capital.; 9/21/24, 7:58 AM
narciso said...: Try again ritmo; 9/21/24, 8:02 AM
Rusty said...: It's never the pregnant persons fault for getting pregnant. It's always a mystery on how the kid got there. Perhaps this tragic end was a direct result of a poor choice by Ms. Thurman. I'm sorry that she's dead. The killing machine that is our abortion industry did not serve her well.; 9/21/24, 8:04 AM
Rusty said...: Enlighten us, oh, crazyman!; 9/21/24, 8:09 AM
Drago said...: False! And easily verified as false! Again! As always with Abacus Boy Rich!

LOL; 9/21/24, 8:27 AM
rehajm said...: They always assume you know nothing about the industry. It’s not a bad assumption, until they actually encounter someone who works in or around the industry…; 9/21/24, 8:32 AM
Curious George said...: Really? It's nasty in the summer.; 9/21/24, 8:33 AM
Big Mike said...: One does wonder why Joe and Democrats don’t want voters to see what Kamala would be like executing the duties of the President of the United States; 9/21/24, 8:44 AM
Promises made Promises kept said...: Let's be clear, John Paulson was a schlub of a hedge fund manager who was essentially going out of business and someone brought him a bet to short housing. He made one good bet in his entire career. I would say the rest of his career shows what he really is. He's not someone who should be listened to.

Now go collect a prize on the way out Drago....; 9/21/24, 9:06 AM
DINKY DAU 45 said...: The absolutely worst, incompetent, non governing body of MAGAS in Congress probably in history, the get nothing done group has now revolted against the absolute worst nominee in history never to be elected again. House Republicans are overwhelmingly dismissing former President Trump’s calls for a government shutdown in the absence of a proof-of-citizenship voting bill being signed into law, a public break from the GOP presidential nominee in the lead-up to the November election.
A group of Republicans this week rejected a bill that combined a six-month continuing resolution (CR) with the Trump-backed voting bill, tanking the legislation in a move that thwarted Speaker Mike Johnson’s (R-La.) funding strategy.
Now, as the Speaker prepares to defy Trump’s wishes and stage a vote on a “clean” three-month stopgap, rank-and-file Republicans are expected to back it — balking at the former president’s request. Republicans almost universally support the voting bill, but they say pushing the issue so intensely that it results in a shutdown would backfire on the party. Incompetence deluxe get rid of these losers please..; 9/21/24, 9:24 AM
Promises made Promises kept said...: The Republican Party has nominated as presidential electors 14 people who falsely claimed to be states' electors four years ago, including some people who are currently facing criminal charges for that.

"Fourteen so-called fake electors who participated in former President Donald Trump’s 2020 scheme to throw the election results into chaos will once again serve as electors for Trump in 2024, including several who currently face criminal charges."

2024 brings back fake electors for Donald Trump, even some facing charges for 2020
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/09/20/fake-electors-for-trump-2024/74955704007/?tbref=hp; 9/21/24, 9:34 AM
DINKY DAU 45 said...: hey who do ya think won't be at the NC trump rally today? The MARTIN LUTHER KING ON STEROID GUY,,TRUMPS great man.. They are not distancing though just ask Laura Loomer..And yes they certainly are aware they need to be in NC as they see it close to slipping away only been won by Obama in decades..; 9/21/24, 9:51 AM
Michael K said...: Women only get 70% of the male actors' salaries.; 9/21/24, 10:30 AM
Michael K said...: Nobody would want physical relationship with Inga, or with you Mutant.; 9/21/24, 10:37 AM
Michael K said...: Mutant is obviously unfamiliar with the use of the term in Psychiatry.; 9/21/24, 10:41 AM
Michael K said...: Bich is now a Market authority; 9/21/24, 10:43 AM
Michael K said...: We see here a virtual tidal wave of bullshit from the lefties today.; 9/21/24, 10:47 AM
Drago said...: Once again, as always, another easily disproved lie by the Harry Sisson of Althouse blog!

LOL

So pathetic!; 9/21/24, 10:54 AM
Christopher B said...: This post at Legal Insurrection goes into some detail about how the protocols for administration of abortifacients have been steadily modified to extend the window for use and reduce the safeguard of requiring physician involvement and follow-up, up to the point of allowing mail-order dispensing.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/09/kamala-harris-pounces-on-flawed-report-about-georgia-womans-post-abortion-death-to-blame-trump/; 9/21/24, 12:53 PM
wendybar said...: Harris is afraid to debate Trump unless she has the lapdog media in her lap licking her face which is why she is scared to death to go on Fox News.

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If Kamala is too insecure to debate on FOX News, then she is too weak to sit across the table from Xi or Putin.

https://x.com/dantypo/status/1837550798458311119; 9/21/24, 2:05 PM
Mutaman said...: Jersey Fled said...

"I’m glad Mutaman clarified this. Now we can disregard anyone who has ever been an expert witness for the Democrat party."

Fair enough.; 9/21/24, 2:39 PM
Mutaman said...: Michael K said...

"Nobody would want physical relationship with Inga, or with you Mutant.'

Your wife tells me otherwise.; 9/22/24, 12:23 AM
Rusty said...: It took you more than 24 hours to come up with that?! Or did your wife tell you to say that? She's pretty tough. I coudn't ask her because her mouth was full. But that's what the other guys said.; 9/22/24, 2:44 PM