August 25, 2024

"The word almost never spoken was the name of Ms. Harris’s actual hometown: Berkeley, Calif."

"That little yellow house sits on Bancroft Way in the university city known, fairly or not, for a hippy-dippy vibe where residents gamely embrace the nickname, 'People’s Republic of Berkeley.' Ms. Harris’s old neighborhood is now called Poets Corner for its preponderance of streets named for writers such as Chaucer and Byron. The neighbors, who tend a community garden and circulate a newsletter, have a theory about why Ms. Harris does not shout out her hometown much these days. 'Oh, people would definitely think Berserkeley!' said Anna Natille, who lives near Ms. Harris’s childhood home and was walking her pug, Figgy, past it last week. 'We have such a reputation for being on the far left, that we’re all a bunch of communists and socialists.' In other words, maybe not a great way to lure the country’s middle-of-the-road voters to the Democratic ticket.... 'Berkeley is viewed as the most liberal city in the United States, and we’re proud of that,' [[T]he mayor of Berkeley said. 'But maybe for some people in the red states, that may freak them out.'"

From "As Kamala Harris Claims Oakland, Berkeley Forgives/The vice president has virtually erased Berkeley, Calif., her hometown, from her campaign biography. The residents of 'the People’s Republic' say they get it" (NYT).

What if deception freaks people out? What if straight talk is a lure?

127 comments:

tim in vermont said...

"We had to destroy democracy in order to save it."

Lying to the voters is a good way to do it.

Kate said...

One of the points of Hillbilly Elegy is that you must forgive and love the people who raised you and where they're from. You don't get to change your hometown.

Maybe Anna Natille would like to be POTUS. She's honest, self-deprecating, humorous, and she loves her neighborhood.

Kate said...

Natille is also weird. God forbid anyone on the Left risk the wrath of the Mean Girls by being interesting and unique.

Shouting Thomas said...

This election is so thoroughly and shamelessly sabotaged and rigged. Nomination by back room Politburo scheming produces communist candidate. Big surprise.

rehajm said...

A comment only the highly educated would make. Red states aren’t voting for her, genius…

boatbuilder said...

We have such a reputation for being on the far left, that we’re all a bunch of communists and socialists.'

And?

That doesn't sound like a denial.

Eric the Fruit Bat said...

It's great that Berkeley forgives the Harris campaign. Just great. I mean, really, really great. Yep, it sure is great to know that Berkeley forgives the Harris campaign. Really . . . really . . . great.

Sally327 said...

Until I read this post, I thought Kamala Harris was from Oakland, which gave her the right to claim a certain gritty credibility, in that that she might not have actually lived the struggle but she would have seen it up close and personal.

I think unless you're a baby boomer, growing up in Berkeley isn't going to mean anything to most of the rest of the country. You have to know a lot about the 60s and then Patty Hearst and all of that to think of Berkeley as anything other than some place out in CA.

Shouting Thomas said...

You also need to be aware that most of the permanent residents of Berkeley, particularly up in the hills, are spectacularly wealthy. Average home price: $1.5 million.

Amadeus 48 said...

What happened to the No Malarkey Express? Overtaken by events. Guess what? Now we have the Nonstop Malarkey Special. I'm not kidding.

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Sally327 said...

I thought of that as well, the fact that as with most college towns, a lot of the residents are fairly well off. But I'm not sure how many people in the rest of the country would even know that there's a university in Berkeley.

doctrev said...

Everything about Kamala Harris is fake. That would have survived against a McCain or Romney acting as controlled opposition, but it's too easy for Donald Trump to stab holes in the story.

Heartless Aztec said...

Reminds me of that great old tune " If You Don't Know Me By Now"
🎶 Sing the song everybody, c'mon
If you don't know me by now
You will never never never know me, ooh
Now all the things that we've been through
You should understand me like I understand you
Now girl I know the difference between right and wrong...🎶

tim maguire said...

“We’re hard left loonies who scare people, so the only way we can have an effect on national politics is by lying about who we are and what we’re about. We could take a good hard look at why so many people reject us, but it’s easier to just dismiss them as buffoons and lie to them.”

Breezy said...

Love the name figgy for a dog.
From daringgourmet.com:

“Figgy pudding dates back to the 14th century and was a much different dish than what we refer to as figgy pudding today. It was more of a wet, sticky, thick porridge consisting of boiled figs, water, wine, ground almonds, raisins and honey. It later evolved into incorporating ground meat and grains and then later still evolved into a steamed pudding that was made with raisins.”

A progressive recipe.

Ann Althouse said...

"but it's too easy for Donald Trump to stab holes in the story."

Take note that the story I'm blogging is from the front-page of the NYT

Dave Begley said...

I thought she lived in “The Flats.”

Earnest Prole said...

Oakland, Berkeley: Distinctions not cost effective. They are contiguous, both economically stratified by elevation, fabulously wealthy in the hills and poorer in the flats. As Harris demonstrates it is not uncommon to be born in Oakland and grow up in Berkeley, or vice versa.

Ann Althouse said...

"You also need to be aware that most of the permanent residents of Berkeley, particularly up in the hills, are spectacularly wealthy. Average home price: $1.5 million."

People who own $1.5 million dollar houses in California are not "spectacularly wealthy." Even in Madison, Wisconsin, owning a $1.5 million dollar houses would not put you in the very wealthy category.

mezzrow said...

"a steamed pudding that was made with raisins.”

Sounds like a fine description of a prospective Harris administration. You'll need a bit more treacle to mask the taste. Strength Through Joy.

The honey bee that fetch the nectar
From the flowers to the comb
Never tire of ever buzzing to and fro
Because they take a little nip
From every flower that they sip
And hence (And hence),
They find (They find)
Their task is not a grind.

Ah-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h ah!

A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down-wown
The medicine go down
Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way!

Bart Hall (Kansas, USA) said...

The only genuine thing I've observed in Ms. Harris for the last five years is her hunger for power. That's dangerous.

Leland said...

"What if straight talk is a lure?"

We won't find out from Democrats this election cycle. They seem to think it is easier to use lawfare.

Humperdink said...

Take that Oberlin!!

doctrev said...

Ann Althouse
"but it's too easy for Donald Trump to stab holes in the story."

Take note that the story I'm blogging is from the front-page of the NYT
8/25/24, 6:58 AM

Mmhmm. Which Donald Trump will relish when he brings it up and Kamala Harris does her stupid drunken laugh while trying to lie her way out of it.

The NYT has to address some of these issues to get their excuse making out of the way. But fundamentally, I think they cover this because they know Kamala is never going to happen.

Shouting Thomas said...

That’s “average” That average is obtained by including the dumpy Flats region, the transient student are, where just about no permanent residents of Berkeley live. I’d say the average up in the hills is at least $5 million. A quick Zillow search returned home prices from $3 to $10 million and more.

mezzrow said...

"People who own $1.5 million dollar houses in California are not "spectacularly wealthy." Even in Madison, Wisconsin, owning a $1.5 million dollar houses would not put you in the very wealthy category."

The difference in the electorate is measured between those who see the key parts of this statement as 'very' and 'spectacularly' and those focused on the word 'wealthy'. It's a matter of class identity. Madison and Berkeley are the homes of factories of knowledge, built and supported by the governments of these powerful states. Imagine the impact on the families tied to these factories, many through generations, if they were for some reason to shut down.

What if the future history of the U is like the past history of the Hamilton Watch Company or Studebaker or Westinghouse? How does the Gibson family of Oberlin Ohio feel about the ethos of academia?

What if the U is not a forever thing? A thought exercise.

john mosby said...

A candidate from Berkeley is great for the state-U NPR cat ladies, but not so great for the urban blacks - unless they’re so militarized they listen to Pacifica. The NPR womyn and the Pacifica blacks will do their own homework, so no need to shout her hometown from the rooftops.

JSM

mindnumbrobot said...

What if deception freaks people out? What if straight talk is a lure?

Her entire campaign is a deception, and Democrat voters--most notably, woman--don't care. They don't want straight talk, which is why the NY Times can put this on its front page. It doesn't matter, because of joy, democracy, and abortion, but mostly abortion.

Kevin said...

Oakland is black. Berkeley is white. Yet another reason she’s shading the truth.

BUMBLE BEE said...

The leftists I know call it The People's Republic of Berkeley.
When did doctors/doctor's children start being called middle class?

Earnest Prole said...

Oakland is 20 percent black; Berkeley about 7 percent.

Lawnerd said...

I lived in the Bay Area and went to Boalt Hall in Berkeley. Housing prices are outrageous. It’s not that the average price is 1.5 million dollars. The problem is that 1.5 million dollar house is a shitbox that would be worth 200,000 dollars elsewhere.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Maybe Walz can say he was born in Berkeley, became aware of his white privilege, moved to Nebraska to raise the consciousness of the National Guard from the inside, was selected by China and Harvard as an elite educator, kind of like a faculty member at Berkeley.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Of course Berkeley forgives, “no enemies on the Left” and all that. Just as it was as predictable as the sunrise that Dave Grohl would bitch about the viral video of Trump introducing Kennedy. The mean girls club are reliably mean— unless you’re in the club.

Earnest Prole said...

Let’s not have an embarrassing high-school-level conversation about how averages work.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Did she write about how sad it is that Trump’s hometown didn’t support him?

Lawnerd said...

This is part of the Orwellian process of rewriting Kamala’s past. Rebranding her as someone who is not batshit crazy progressive and weirder yet, someone who is not part of the failed incumbent administration.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Speaking of high school, Kamala never once mentioned that the bulk of her public education was furnished by Canadian schools and she lived in tony suburbs there with her professional class parents. Mostly mom but that is also a reminder she never mentions dear old dad who literally wrote a book on how to implement Marxist economics in America. Obviously she takes after her (unmentionable) father. I wonder what old Dr. Harris is up to nowadays.

Temujin said...

Note to the left. You don't freak us out. We think of you mostly as twits with degrees. I suspect we, in Florida, would freak you out much more.

gilbar said...

Serious Questions:
Has Kamela given a interview or press conference yet? Will she before the election?
i'd think that the media would be hollering for one..
Well, actually i wouldn't think That at all

Kevin said...

Thanks for the stats! In 1980 Oakland was 47 percent black (white 39 percent). Berkeley was 20 percent black (white 67 percent).

Deep State Reformer said...

Most voters don't GAF what Harris's hometown is. That is the correct answer.

Aggie said...

What if deception freaks people out? What if straight talk is a lure?.... Wasn't there an old Steve Martin routine where he would pose a deeply profound, philosophical question to himself, consider it for a second, and then shake it off and say 'Nnnaahhhhhh !

Progressives are self-programmed to absorb deception and move straight to belief. If straight talk is on the program, well.... it might be acceptable, but it must be used very carefully.

Hey, speaking of Berkeley, what does her dad do? Tell us about his politics.

rehajm said...

that’s a bingo!

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

The media was obsessively interested in whether JD’s hometown was actually a “hillbilly” enclave or not. This selective curiosity is another way the media creates propaganda, pretending some biographical facts are important while pretending others are irrelevant.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

The big underlying groundswell out among the American people is a deep-seated desire to move the national leadership down a generation. Harris has hit this moment both beautifully and with perfect execution. She's not a punchline in anyone's joke anymore.

Harris' acceptance speech was an example of first-rank speech writing well delivered. One can expect to hear these themes expanded and driven home in the fall campaign. FDR-like.

The Harris campaign is also hitting Trump where he ain't. That will most likely destabilize the Trump campaign and personally unhinge the Personality himself.

Harris also picked the right guy to be her vice presidential candidate--a strong complement that strengthens her campaign and the Democratic party in the vital Midwest middle class. Harris has also picked the right national security adviser in Phil Gordon. Picking the right topnotch person for the big jobs is a crucial skill for presidential success -- and Harris far exceeds Trump at this vital skill.

The consolidation of support after Biden's withdrawal, the VP selection, the smooth runup to the convention, the perfectly managed convention that was competence on display -- all of this should be a powerful boost to the assurance and confidence of Democrats going into a consequential election where the Democrats have a chance too capture the future in a once-in-a-generation way. She is a proving to be a perfect candidate for a turn-the-page election.

The deeply flawed Republican party is going to become even more flawed. Will Trump become an indelible stain?

Narayanan said...

'to save it' is the lie; destroy is truth

Narayanan said...

what then of her wail of a tale of busing as child?

bob said...

During her high school years, she was raised in Canada. So much for gritty credibility.

Narayanan said...

She is Making Real the Dreams from Her Father

Iman said...

I knew a kid named Figgy Newton. No joke.

Iman said...

“search returned home prices from $3 to $10 million and more.”

And that’s the rest of the story. Good day!

Jamie said...

Without reading other comments - also, Oakland has its own reputation going for it, which a woman who, though partly of African heritage, didn't grow up in what is considered a capital-B Black community but very much wants Black Americans to vote for her (without actually having to produce either past achievements or a future plan to ease the troubles of places like Oakland).

Oso Negro said...

Yes Rich! Yes, yes, yes. Democracy will be saved!

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

@Oso: Ezra Klein aside, I don't think Biden was going to trounce anyone anywhere ever.

Yancey Ward said...

By October Harris will have been born and raised in Mississippi.

Yancey Ward said...

This is similar to how Obama was from the south side of Chicago in 2003-2009.

Iman said...

“Will Trump become an indelible stain?”

Did Rich spring from what ran down the leg and puddled at the club feet of his street walking mother?

Rocco said...

“ Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Speaking of high school, Kamala never once mentioned that the bulk of her public education was furnished by Canadian schools and she lived in tony suburbs there with her professional class parents. Mostly mom but that is also a reminder she never mentions dear old dad who literally wrote a book on how to implement Marxist economics in America.

Maybe Donald Harris was just a guy who lived in her neighborhood.

Levi Starks said...

It’s only a problem if middle America finds out.
They won’t.

Narayanan said...

nice observation -
also to keep in mind : The 'Shirtsleeves-To-Shirtsleeves' Curse: How a Wealthy Country Can Survive It?

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

“Did Rich spring from what ran down the leg and puddled at the club feet of his street walking mother?”

Classy joint Althouse runs here. Certainly not the Algonquin Round Table she might have hoped for….

Leland said...

Indeed, most voters don't care about her hometown, but when you lie about things that don't need deception; what lies won't you tell?

Breezy said...

The only reason Berkeley matters is because it was the stew she was raised in. It is her foundation and as such it is very difficult to change. So when she claims she no longer advocates for Medicaid for illegal immigrants, for example, we shouldn’t believe her.

Aggie said...

'As the Vice President claims Oakland.....'

Why does she claim Oakland, on what basis? Because her first job was there?

n.n said...

They don't want straight talk, which is why the NY Times can put this on its front page. It doesn't matter, because of joy, democracy, and abortion, but mostly abortion

Under the Pro-Choice religion, Liberals perform reproductive rites, a wicked solution, for social, clinical, political, and climate progress as they did in the ancient religious sects before the advent of modern religion.

mindnumbrobot said...

It was never easy for me. I was born a poor black child. I remember the days, sittin' on the porch with my family, singin' and dancin' down in Mississippi. --Navin Johnson

Wince said...

You know Berkeley is an affluent, left-wing community because the stores don't even have to put the 'red diapers' behind glass.

https://thesunpapers.com/2024/08/07/lock-em-up-why-stores-are-putting-diapers-and-deodorant-behind-glass/

Iman said...

Stay on topic, bot.

n.n said...

She's a joyful clinger, and, yes, she places Americans second, and under Diversity practices affirmative discrimination (e.g. racism, sexism), indoctrination, and exclusion.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi said...

No matter how much you have, it’s always those with more who are the truly wealthy.

planetgeo said...

OK, Rich, let's start an Algonquin Round Table worthy discussion. Given your expertise in finance and economics, as demonstrated in your frequent comments on tariffs, would you be so kind as to enlighten us on the effect of candidate Harris's recently announced economic positions (price controls, increase in corporate tax rate, wealth tax on unrealized gains, etc.) on jobs, inflation and the economy in general. To many, these positions trigger fears of communist tendencies, but I'm sure that you have much more nuanced explanations. Please enlighten us.

Earnest Prole said...

She was born there.

planetgeo said...

I remember Berkeley well. Angela Davis. The Naked Guy. Mario Savio and Free Speech. And yes, there are more communists there than there are in the Kremlin. And that goes double for the hills and the $5-10 million dollar homes. Harris didn't fall too far from the coconut tree.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Hi.
Roger Kimball is so good here. Spot on.

Iman said...

“Harris didn't fall too far from the coconut tree.”

and it appears she suffered some head injuries on her way down.

Earnest Prole said...
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Iman said...

Put teh lime in the coconut, Ernie!

Then you feel better…

Earnest Prole said...

If you look at a color-coded demographic map of the East Bay, you’ll see the wealthy white neighborhoods of Berkeley are contiguous with, and an extension of, Oakland’s wealthy white areas, while the poorer black neighborhoods of Berkeley are contiguous with, and an extension of, Oakland’s poorer black areas — stratified, as I noted, by elevation. What’s anomalous is Berkeley’s remarkable concentration of Asians around the university. California does not use affirmative action in university admissions, and therefore the Asian population of UC Berkeley exceeds 40 percent.
8/25/24, 9:41 AM

gilbar said...

Rich (who CLAIMS to be "intelligent") said..
The big underlying groundswell out among the American people

I'm Pretty Sure you're confusing "the American people" with "the Democrat Party"..
Care to give us ANY indication of ANY swelling in "the American people"

Protip: pointing to a poll, that oversamples democrats because of their "increased enthusiasm" would help prove MY point, NOT yours

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

I don't care where she is from. If the right are going to go all "birther" - that's a good indication that we are screwed.

hombre said...

Democrat deception doesn't freak out their cult. It's what they do. It might freak out normals. So what?! (Her daddy was a "Marxian Professor." Yahoo News rejected my comment for saying so. Deception.)

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Focusing on crap that doesn't matter.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Of course she is going to lie about stuff. She lies about everything. I don't give a crap where she is from. As far as I'm concerned - she is from the planet named after the Greek god of Stupid.

hombre said...

More is being concealed than is being revealed about this nitwit. Trump hatred may well lead to the downfall of the nation, but he did cause the Democrats and their pet mediaswine to reveal their lies and corruption

Aggie said...

Not to themselves, though - therein lies the rub.

Aggie said...

And?

EdwdLny said...

It's very early in the day to have consumed that much alcohol and or pharmaceuticals. But, you do you.

They’re eating the cats — They’re eating the dogs said...

@planetgeo: A recent chart of the components comprising US inflation indicates that about half of the now stuck inflation rate of 3+ percent is attributable to housing costs. This component is not easily amenable to improvement through the interest rate because it reflects structural imbalances of physical supply where change takes much longer to have an effect.

"Affordable" housing is also Democratic party parlance for lots of government encrustation of housing programs to ensure that socially desirable results are achieved through proper mixes of incentives and planning and that all local state and municipal partners are engaged in the effort. Housing is much too important to be left to the vagaries of market-created supply and market-driven demand. Harris is probably correct to support a goal that way undershoots real need (demand). The deficient future supply will point to the need for even more future government intervention to Democrats.

For Republicans, a future more free-market Republican administration could throw the housing constraints overboard, pump federal subsidized mortgage into the sector, and let a surge in housing be the basis for a broader base of noninflationary growth such as occurred in the immediate postwar era. (Also see the Reagan administration scrapping of Carter administration price controls on natural gas and the resulting supply glut and price collapse--all in complete contravention of Carter admin economic prognostications.)

Quite likely Harris will win due to Trump's manifold inadequacies as a credible alternative (he personally steps on the Republican message with his very presence). However, the horizons for a post-Trump Republican party are excellent and one can expect the Republicans to storm back into legislative majorities in 2026. There is a deep layer of dissatisfaction in American public opinion that is unlikely to dissipate soon.

A Harris administration will be unlikely to deliver results against its aspirations.

Zach said...

That little yellow house sits on Bancroft Way in the university city known, fairly or not, for a hippy-dippy vibe where residents gamely embrace the nickname, 'People’s Republic of Berkeley.'

No, Boulder, CO is a hippy town. Berkeley is a leftist town (I've lived in both).

Hippy towns have, well, hippes -- people who have tuned in, turned on, and dropped out. They're more interested in the things they dropped out for. There's a political context, but their actual focus might be more on vegan food or chainsaw art.

Leftists have a political focus, and in Berkeley that's intertwined with the extremely powerful political machine. They have political or semi-political jobs, or else they're terminally tuned in to politics.

To be honest, Berkeley would be a much nicer place to live if it had a lot more hippies.

JAORE said...

I don't care where she is from. I don't care that working class Kamala worked at McDonalds (despite her parents being wealthy by any rational standard). What I care about is the effort to twist the strict truth into a narrative that belies her actual history. Makes one wonder why - for most people.

loudogblog said...

1.5 million is not a lot of money for a house in California. My roommates and I bought a house in Fountain Valley CA for $305,000 in 1996. (4 bd.3 ba. 2,608 sq. ft.) It's worth about 1.5 million now.

Lazarus said...

Berkeley is more of a boomer thing. It's been quiet, or at least out of the headlines, for years. Is it more radical today than Ann Arbor or Madison -- or Portland or Seattle?

And yes, the East Bay is more of a highlands vs. lowlands than a Berkeley vs. Oakland thing. Oakland isn't what it was 50 years ago either, or Jerry Brown wouldn't have been elected mayor.

As the daughter of esteemed academics, Harris did have a more privileged background than many Americans or Canadians, but it doesn't look like her mother pushed her daughters academically, the way that Asian-American parents are said to.

loudogblog said...

"The Harris campaign is also hitting Trump where he ain't."

From the movie, Battleship:

Commander Hooper: Hit the enemy where they aren't. The art of War. After all these years it finally clicked"

Captain Nagata: "That is not what it means."

Commander Hooper: "Really?"

Captain Nagata: "Not even close."

Sebastian said...

"What if deception freaks people out?" Most voters know little, care less. Deception is Dem MO, so what's new? But it is interesting, isn't it, that Dems had to run Joe as moderate and now make Harris run away from her record and hometown in order to be palatable to normies. Only to flipflop again, unexpectedly, after the elections.

"What if straight talk is a lure?" You mean, like, Joe is sharp as a tack? Or like, we've got a $35T debt and need to start cutting your benefits? Or like, all those costly green policies don't make a bit of difference?

Lazarus said...

FDR-like.

It's more like if ex-Speaker Nicholas Longworth had pressured Herbert Hoover into ending his reelection campaign in 1932, and Hoover's VP Charles Curtis (our first Indian vice president) went around the country claiming that he would bring happy, happy joyful days here again.

Democrats have a chance too capture the future in a once-in-a-generation way. She is a proving to be a perfect candidate for a turn-the-page election.

Wasn't the page turned in 2020? Or maybe in 2008? Harris may actually win, but we'll all wake up in 2025 and realize that we are on the same dismal page where Joe Biden left us.

Anthony said...

A little historical context: in the early 1970s, the neighborhood Harris grew up in was much more working class and racially mixed than it was by the late 1980s, mostly due to rent control. It was also much more hard-left, which didn't change until later.

Skeptical Voter said...

Like Lawnerd I went to Boalt Hall in Berkeley--65 to 68. Too late for the Free Speech Movement, just in time for the Filthy Speech Movement, and graduated a year before People's Park. My late brother lived in Berkeley (up near Grizzly Peak high in the hills from 1972 to his death in 2012). So I knew and watched Berkeley change (a bit) over the years. There are and were big social and class divides in Berkeley. The hills were full of professors and their kids, successful lawyers and doctors and such. It was a really nice place to live. The Berkeley flats--where Kamala was a child--not so much. You had student housing and, until they were priced out, lots of blue collar workers and people of color (I'll use the woke phraseology). In the schools you had this volatile mix of rich white kids from the hills and poor black kids from the flats. My sister in law taught at Berkeley High for years. The school gradually became a woke combat zone.

If you want a flavor of Berkeley in the late 60s and early 70s you would enjoy reading Robert Roth's recent novel ":Berserkeley". He catches the flavor of life in and around the campus at the time perfectly.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

May I say a few words about Berkeley -- where I and my husband both went to the UC, and came out more or less unscathed? It's not all protests, you know. I was insulated at first by being in Mech. E., and then musicology; he was a music student both as undergrad and grad. Sure, there were protests; there always are. Back in our day (80s and 90s), the topics were divestment (from South Africa, not Israel), Julia "Butterfly" Hill and her pet redwood, and (always) People's Park. I imagine it's less civilized now -- Telegraph Ave. had certainly gone more than semi-feral the last time I was there, a couple of years back -- but I believe that it is still possible to get a decent education there.

Whoever says above that the distinction between Berkeley and Oakland is largely superficial is right. We lived for some years in a small cottage on Alcatraz Ave., so in North Oakland. When I walked to school, there were perhaps three blocks of Oakland, and the rest was Berkeley. The only thing I noticed about the border was that street repair got suddenly better in Berkeley.

Rusty said...

loudogblog.
You and I are probably the only ones here who know where Fountain Valley is. And yes. 1.5 million is a starter home in the area.

Mason G said...

"You and I are probably the only ones here who know where Fountain Valley is."

I grew up in Orange County. Not in FV, but not far away.

Iman said...

More a housecat mom then…

Earnest Prole said...

Berkeley and Oakland are at once post-racial (the highest level of interracial marriage in the country) and highly segregated by class and therefore by race. In the late 1960s and early 1970s Berkeley attempted one of the few racial busing schemes not mandated by a court. Under that effort Harris and other minorities from the flats were bused to a well-off school in the hills. As others have implied, that school was not inconsistent with her social class since her parents were both professors.

rehajm said...

Yes…but what’s her favorite flavor of ice cream?

FullMoon said...

" In the late 1960s and early 1970s Berkeley attempted one of the few racial busing schemes not mandated by a court"

Were schools segregated by race, or by class? Schools financed by property taxes mean middle class neighborhoods generally have more money for school than poor neighborhoods.
Kamala taking a bus to school doesn't mean much, plenty of kids take a bus.
But saying she was not allowed to attend a particular school because of race may be stretching the truth a bit.

Crazy World said...

Rich at 8:07 - Hilarious!

FullMoon said...

No segregation here
Elementary school pictures San Francisco 1950s and 1960s

Michael K said...

Has anyone seen the video of her explaining collective bargaining ? Hilarious.

RCOCEAN II said...

Yes, there are two Berkeleys the "Hills" and the "flats". There is also a very nice part of Oakland up in the Hills. But even in the 70s there was a big difference between Oakland and the flats of Berkeley. Harris only lived in Berkeley for 6 years, 1970-1976, and per her Bio would go live with her father in Palo Alto on the weekends.

Berkeley wasn't segregated in 60s and certainly wasn't segregated in the 70s. So, I doubt 12 y/o Kam was radicalized by "Crazy Berkeley" nor do I believe she was living in the ghetto and affected by "busing".

Berkeley is much worse now then it was in the 90s. Recently, maybe 1 or 2 years ago, a white UC student was murdered by a black vagrant, and the reaction of the UC Berkeley administration was "ho hum". A brief notice that he was killed with a blase "Well thats sad".

Earnest Prole said...

Berkeley’s busing scheme is detailed here. It’s difficult for
outsiders to grasp how Oakland-Berkeley is simultaneously one of the most integrated and segregated places in America. Everyone is welcome in the best neighborhoods, as long as your income exceeds $750k per year or you possess generational wealth.

effinayright said...

I too knew a Fig Newton, only his nickname evolved to "Figger". He had a roommate who spent all his time lifting weights and preening in front of mirrors. So it was inevitable that we referred to the duo as "The Figger and the Narcissist". (and yeah, we were college smart-asses)

Iman said...
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Iman said...

I lived behind the Orange Curtain from the age of 5 until I was 35 and watched it grow from a sleepy beach county filled with orange groves to a different environment (1985) on its way to what it is today. We still have family there and we think it’s a nice place to visit for a few days… a week at most.

And it’s always good to return home away from the hectic pace and crowds

Iman said...

I saw that video this morning. Hilarious and it was fun to see Walz standing there waiting for something/anything worth applauding.

Kevin said...

Care to give us ANY indication of ANY swelling in "the American people"

Obesity is up. Way up.

Kevin said...

Oakland is a center for medical facilities in the East Bay. It's likely where many people whose parents lived in Berkeley were born.

Mikey NTH said...

How did you come to conclude that was what the "right" - whoever that is - is doing?

The Godfather said...

In my lifetime (and I'm OLD), the only VPs I can think of who did anything worthwhile while VP were Dick Nixon and Dick Cheyney (and it's stretching a bit to include Nixon -- but he DID debate Kruschev about the relative merits of Capitalism and Communism). But so far as I can see, Harris did NOTHING as VP. Yes, Reagan's VP Bush succeeded him, and was one of the best qualified VPs in recent history, but he was a failure are President, and I see no reason to think Kamala would be more qualified. Bush was elected by voters who wanted "another Reagan". Is there a great desire out there for "Another Biden"?

Rocco said...

Well, I was born in a small town
And I live in a small town
Smoked weed in my small town
Oh, those hippy communities

All my friends are so same small town
My parents lived in the different small towns
My job is a warm bucket of my small town
Provides me opportunity, hey

Educated in a small town
Taught the love of power in a small town
Used to daydream in that small town
Another boring romantic, that's me

But I've seen it all in a small town
Balled Willie in a small town
Married a NYC dawg and brought him to this small town
Cuz he’s that same small town, just like me

No, I can forget from where it is that I come from
I can forget the people who love me
Yeah, I can be myself behind closed doors
And people just vote for me to be what they want me to be

PM said...

Okay, so she claims Oakland instead of Bezerkely. She probably thunk that up herself. More important - if she wins - who is going to be the real President? The same people (minus Jill) who've been running the country for not-quite-there Joe ? Kamala is incapable of world leadership - a plant in every sense of the word.

Lazarus said...

If I remember correctly, California limited affirmative action, so UC Berkeley is now largely Asian. That might be one reason why protests there haven't made the headlines lately, the way that those at Stanford, Columbia, and Harvard have. Of course, the Bay Area itself is more left wing than the rest of the country, and the faculty is securely left wing, but maybe Berkeley's on to something.

Aggie said...

'More important - if she wins - who is going to be the real President?. The same committee that organized Barak Obama's meteoric rise in net worth since leaving office - now estimated at $400 million. How can that be, one might ask? Connections, baby. Connections. When you're at the top of the Hollywood and Silicon Valley pile, and money is no object, other objects take on more of your attention.

Nice First Amendment ya got there...nice Second Amendment too. Too bad if something were to happen to them..... That would mean nobody could touch us, forever.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

Canada has some feelings on this subject:

“So, we Canadians will harbour no hurt feelings about the strategic amnesia surrounding her Montreal years. But this we know whether or not she admits it: this woman who may soon occupy the Oval Office has a nice little sliver of Canada lodged deep in her soul.

We just won’t tell anyone.“

Rocco said...

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...
“…As far as I'm concerned - [Kamala] is from the planet named after the Greek god of Stupid.

The Greek personification of stupidity was called Koalemos. If teh interwebz are steering me right on Greek grammar, the feminine form should be Koalema. Drop the “o” and swap the last two syllables and you’re there.

Rocco said...

So, we Canadians will harbour no hurt feelings about the strategic amnesia surrounding her Montreal years. But this we know whether or not she admits it: this woman who may soon occupy the Oval Office has a nice little sliver of Canada lodged deep in her soul.

We just won’t tell anyone.


Under the one-drop rule, that means she’s Canadian.

Also, see the term “passing”.

JIM said...

It's all imagery now. And temporary positions on important issues that will vanish like Joe Biden after a phone call from Pelosi.
But Trump is the existential threat.
Did I mention how the Democrat party tried to derail and sabotage the campaign of RFK jr? Democracy dies in darkness right? Tough being a principled Democrat right now, or is that just an oxymoron?