August 19, 2024

"The humorist Erma Bombeck, a friend of his from Dayton, described Mr. Donahue as 'every wife’s replacement for the husband who doesn’t talk to her.'"

"By 1979, the show was reaching 9 million viewers, nearly 8 million of them female.... Over the years, he interviewed late night host Johnny Carson, pop star Elton John, boxer Muhammad Ali, anti-apartheid leader Nelson Mandela, comic filmmaker Mel Brooks, and tennis rivals Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs. Some of his more controversial guests included Albert Speer, Adolf Hitler’s architect; novelist Ayn Rand; Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan; Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke; and porn star Harry Reems.... Mr. Donahue never claimed to be impartial. He was a strident liberal — his most frequent guest was Ralph Nader, whose presidential campaign he later supported. He belonged to the National Organization for Women, attributing what he described as his sexism early in life to his religious education. 'We were so busy trying to avoid sin that we could never make friends with women, never share ideas, never care how they felt,' he told TV Guide in 1978."

From "Phil Donahue, long-reigning king of daytime television, dies at 88/His award-winning show tackled tough social and political issues but also pioneered a breezy format that opened the door to successors like Oprah Winfrey" (WaPo)(free access link).

50 comments:

Narr said...

Speer wouldn't be anyone if all he was was "Hitler's architect." His actual importance was as Hitler's armaments minister and a chief slave-driver.

Amadeus 48 said...

He gave Milton Friedman a chance to state the capitalist/free enterprise case for human prosperity. Great television.

Dave Begley said...

Good to see that he stayed married to Marlo Thomas. He was a Notre Dame alum.

traditionalguy said...

His guests were the entertainment. And as I recall Roger Ailes booked the guests. And Roger used that talent to staff and produce Fox News.

wild chicken said...

Maybe I was in a harsher environment in those days, but I never really liked the type.

mikee said...

His white hair was oddly off-putting for that era, and his interviews were more casually conversational rather than designed to be informative to the viewer. One could watch without really listening because nothing much was said. I remember he had lots of commercial breaks, so that means successful as a TV show, right? I preferred Mike Douglas.

RCOCEAN II said...

Glad he's dead. What a pompous old bore he was. I'll always thank Oprah for coming along and driving Donahue off the air. And "Strident liberal" is a good way to describe him. Cable TV brought him back in the 90s and he had Ann Coulter on, and just interrupted and talked over her so she couldn't complete a sentence. The next show, he bragged about it.

Of course, next to Joy Bahar, he seems like an intellectual heavyweight.

Eva Marie said...

Ironic that for all his NOWing he overlooked the gifted photographer Vivian Maier toiling in his home. All the guy had to do was ask her a couple of questions - but it never occurred to him to talk to the help.
“I hired Vivian to take care of my kids. We were her employers, not her confidants, benefactors or friends. We didn’t ask many questions. We didn’t ask the right questions. And so we didn’t realize a genius was living in our spare bedroom.”

RCOCEAN II said...

Donahue became famous for the same reason his wife did. Lack of competition. Both of them are/were mediocrities, but that's all you had back then. Ted Koppel, sam donaldson (!) and George Will were Giants of Journalism. Henry Winkler was a great TV star. God, I went back and looked at an episode of "That Girl" and it was horrible. But that's the sort of crap that was on.

James K said...

I'll bet those videos of him with Milton Friedman are among his most replayed shows. He was gracious (or clueless) enough to let Milton absolutely obliterate him. That was great TV, and probably couldn't happen today.

Joe Smith said...

Communist asshole. RIP.

Ficta said...

Controversial: An actual Nazi, a terrorist (well, buddies with Gaddafi, anyway), a Klansman, a porn star, and Ayn Rand. I'm dying.

hawkeyedjb said...

"He was gracious (or clueless) enough to let Milton absolutely obliterate him. "

The Minister of Disinformation would never allow that sort of thing these days.

Assistant Village Idiot said...

Decrying sexism was a great way to get laid in those days. At William and Mary it was a prerequisite.

john mosby said...

He and Alan Alda were the prototypes of liberal masculinity. Walz is trying to keep the tradition going,

JSM

EAB said...

Whenever I see references to Phil and Marlo, I can’t help but think of “Free to Be You and Me.” I know that was Marlo, but they’re inextricably linked in my head. Today, it seems we’ve gone backward on that gender-busting. You’re not a tomboy, you’re a trans-boy.

planetgeo said...

Mr. Donahue may have been 'every wife’s replacement for the husband who doesn’t talk to her', but to us guys he was also 'every husband's "designated talker" for the wife who just won't stop talking'.

Wince said...

I’ll credit him as a liberal for inviting opposing opinions.

Michael K said...

I went to college with Marlo when she was still Margie. She had a great nose job after college.

Sebastian said...

'We were so busy trying to avoid sin that we could never make friends with women, never share ideas, never care how they felt,'

I call posthumous BS.

Ice Nine said...

A dippy, leftist/feminist tool. The saccharine OD curtailed watching him.

Darury said...

You can't bring up Donahue without referencing Phil Hartman's great scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RC-GgwmfVM&t=310s

n.n said...

Doesn't talk or doesn't listen to her?

Big Mike said...

The bleeding heart liberal finally bled out

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

If I clicked through, and I didn't as I'm working on a deadline today, it would have been to see if he was still married to Marlo Thomas.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

The look on his face as Milton calmly explains the way things are is pretty special.

Sydney said...

That statement doesn’t make him look good. It suggests that he couldn’t conceive of a friendship with women outside of sex.

Rocco said...

Ficta said...
Controversial: An actual Nazi, a terrorist (well, buddies with Gaddafi, anyway), a Klansman, a porn star, and Ayn Rand. I'm dying.

I know a few lefties who would be upset the most by having Ayn Rand on.

Quaestor said...

Donahue was always dead to me.

gspencer said...

Girlie man.

Quaestor said...

Neat how he generalized his personal predatory inclinations by using the third person.

rehajm said...

I enjoyed his show as a kid- summers or home from school for whatever reason. I remember watching Milton Friedman, especially. I thought he was always immensely fair to the guests and the audience members asking questions. The format wasn't the quick take crap that came later. I think Rogan emulates aspects of Donahue.
Yes, he was yet another destructive liberal. Sorry he's passed...

Gusty Winds said...
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Gusty Winds said...

Some of his more controversial guests included Albert Speer, Adolf Hitler’s architect; novelist Ayn Rand; Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan; Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke; and porn star Harry Reems....

WOW! The WaPoo includes Ayn Rand as a "controversial figure" in-between Albert Speer and Farrakhan. David Duke is a nobody. He was put on the air to attach him to the GOPe forever. Why is Harry Reems controversial? Maybe at the time, but today his porn is chicken shit. Ayn Rand doesn't deserve to be listed with any of these idiots.

Best clip are Donohue's interviews with Milton Friedman. You can tell Friedman is blowing up Donohue's world view along with all the women in the audience. They know he is right and speaking the truth, but Donohue has to retort as if to say "well you're right, but that's beside the point."

I will say Donohue was a free speech advocate, and the norms of courtesy a we're different back then. Phil could listen to an opinion he didn't agree with, and his audience listened as well.

From Donohue we got Oprah. From Oprah to Geraldo, Jerry Springer and the rest. It's been all downhill from there.

All that remains from what Phil Donohue created is a smoldering pile of shit called "The View" which also attracts a female audience.

Gusty Winds said...

Milton Friedman blowing Donohue out of the water defending capitalism.

The audience sits is silence. They know Friedman is right. He’s about 100 IQ points above anyone in the room.

Friedman also not part of the Emperor’s New Clothes parade watchers.

Maynard said...

Ayn Rand doesn't deserve to be listed with any of these idiots.

As a long time fan, it is clear to me that she represents the biggest threat to the grifters in the political establishment.

RCOCEAN II said...

Thanks Darury. Absolutely hilarious.

DanTheMan said...

I once tried to explain to my children how "Beverly Hillbillies and Gilligan's Island" were once very popular prime time shows. They were appalled that anyone at all would watch those shows.

narciso said...

Yes duke was a punk they properly had topher grace play him

Speer and farrakhan are gradations of evil

Mikey NTH said...

That was my first thought.

William said...

Back then he didn't strike me as strident or even especially political. As I remember, he used to have mildly prurient guests: Playboy photographers or different kinds of sex workers. The conversations were polite and interesting. Back then I was more interested in the work loads of Playboy photographers than discourses by Friedman or Ayn Rand. He seemed a pretty decent sort. So far as I know, there weren't any major scandals attached to his name. I bet if he had wanted to, he could have scored better than a Playboy photographer. So he was a liberal. There were worse people on earth and especially on television at that time.

Duty of Inquiry said...

I preferred David Suskind. More interesting guests, to me anyway.

Conrad said...

I grew up in the Dayton suburb where he lived. Used to see him in church when I was very little, before Chicago and national syndication happened for him. Yes, he was liberal, but he was sincere and always seemed respectful of opposing views. As far as I can tell, he invented his style of talk show, with its unique feature of letting audiences members ask questions, town meeting style. He also asked very serious, probing questions of his guests. It was an entertaining show but also intellectually rewarding for the audience. And even when his show was just on in Dayton, he often had very famous guests. I give him credit for all of that even though I disagree with his politics.

Birches said...

Donahue and Oprah were always on in the afternoon. I only remember one episode. He was very scandalized by NWAs "F the Police." I just remember seeing the blue graphic and him repeating the words, "F the Police." I was pretty young but not terribly scandalized because my brother had been listening to the album and other hard rap already.

wild chicken said...

I couldn't read it but I remember he did that weird talk show with a Russian guy during perestroika? Or after the fall of the USSR? That was a wild time. He was all over it.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

I prefer Wally George.
https://youtu.be/QcNyvCJJXFQ?si=xlhGl9zX08g8ijsp

Mike Petrik said...

After he left wife #1. Just another asshole.

Mike Petrik said...

Yep

Mike Petrik said...

Because he was an arrogant dick.

Chris Lopes said...

You know that designated talker is going to be hitting on your wife when you aren't around right?