"... but it wasn’t clear then what they really did believe. The culture didn’t seem to be offering many alternatives. You can dispose of discretionary dollars in various ways. If you were a yuppie, you spent them on yourself. You consumed conspicuously. That’s what the yuppie-haters hated most about the yuppies. You bought things you didn’t need and paid extra for the brand: Sasson jeans, Frette linens, Cross pens, Rolex watches, Perrier water, Aprica strollers. Faux high-end imports emerged—Grey Poupon mustard (then owned by RJR Nabisco), Häagen-Dazs ice cream (invented in the Bronx).... Food became a highly cathected consumable.... The more entrepreneurial yuppies colonized abandoned row houses and warehouse loft spaces, and used some of their leisure time to work out. Fitness and self-care were big.... The yuppie strode forth from the economic wreckage of the nineteen-seventies: two oil crises, mortgage rates at thirteen per cent, a huge loss of manufacturing jobs in major industries like steel and cars, a stock market in the doldrums. When the economy recovered, in the early nineteen-eighties, it was easy for people to feel rich without feeling guilty. They had seen what it was like to worry about money. Spending it felt liberating...."
From "When Yuppies Ruled/Defining a social type is a way of defining an era. What can the time of the young urban professional tell us about our own?" by Louis Menand (The New Yorker).
July 24, 2024
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In 1980 my parents were thrilled to acquire a mortgage @ 15 1/2 percent. Of course earlier in the year they were making almost 19 percent at the bank..
Well, Althouse, you lived it. So did I, and many others here. Does this ring true?
My observation is that people are pretty much the same through time, although I am not quite sure about these kids today.
Yuppies never ruled.
They were an object of interest, scorn, humor and beloved by clothiers.
I was a child in the 1980s, and as a private investor I would kill for those prices again. These days disguising my gold coins with chocolate has never been more expensive.
Most People say that they do it for Our Posterity.
I turned 18 in 1980 and was one of those who eye-rolled all-things-yuppie. I, too, think people haven't changed much and the yuppies of the 1980s were a manifestation of the Men in the Grey Flannel Suits of the '50s with their finned Cadillacs and fancy dinner parties or the 1920s dandies.
My impression is that a difference is that the run-up in the stock market made wealth easier to come by in the 1980s, so more people were able to participate. Since a Republican was in the White House it was all bad, shallow, greedy people (as opposed to the later '90s when the tech boom made all sorts of creative, innovative and nicely progressive people filthy rich over nothing).
With the inflation of the 1970s and 80s you had to spend it fast while it still bought something.
Well the young urban monoculture of today is well defined by
There’s this meme that tech culture is solving one problem: “What is my mother no longer doing for me?” Or, as George Packer put it in 2013, “It suddenly occurred to me that the hottest tech start-ups are solving all the problems of being twenty years old, with cash on hand, because that’s who thinks them up.”--Russ Roberts, Econtalk
The yuppies moved on from collecting luxury products and showing them off. Today they collect luxury beliefs and show those off.
"cathected" There's a word you don't see every day. Affected, I'd say.
“He who dies with the most toys wins” is a humorous quip. Nobody ever meant it literally. At its most earnest, it hints at a philosophy towards life—live well while you’re here.
Amadeus 48 said...My observation is that people are pretty much the same through time, although I am not quite sure about these kids today.
Fads come and go, but human nature doesn’t change. At base, we are the same creatures who stood up on the savannah 3 million years ago to see over the grass.
Food became a highly cathected consumable.... The more entrepreneurial yuppies colonized abandoned row houses and warehouse loft spaces, and used some of their leisure time to work out. Fitness and self-care were big....
Kind of sounds like the Millennials and Gen Z to some extent. Millennials didn't go in for name brands they preferred more boutique-y one offs, but they did gentrify and started the Foodie trend. Get Zers seem to spend most of their money on weed and clothes and the gym. Guess the main difference between them and the Yuppies is that back in the 80's you knew you needed a job to accomplish all this. Now everyone's looking for a sinecure.
Oh yeah, the Yuppies voted for Reagan. I guess that makes them icky beyond belief.
Either way, you can bet your last dollar that Louis Menand doesn't live in the projects.
Cross pens!? Montblanc, Louis.
“The culture didn’t seem to be offering many alternatives.”
Christianity has only been available for 2,000 years.
I recall the Yuppie Handbook, which taught me that LL Bean was not just a maker of duck shoes.
And TIL about "cathected" consumables, which means imbued with emotional or mental energy. Using that adjective instead of, say, sticking with the earlier Thorsten Veblen descriptor of the same thing, "conspicuous," which was used without attribution a few lines earlier, doesn't make the author's point any more able to avoid Veblen's identical 100+ year old analysis of the same thing.
That was Garfield: The one who ends up with the most toys wins. He also loves lasa-gna, so there is that. And a Pussy[cat] of Orange (without a hat), not to be confused with a Person of Orange under Diversity [dogma] in progressive sects.
"cathected" There's a word you don't see every day.
@Old and slow, there’s a reason for that.
My recollection was that young, single men wore Rolex watches because pretty young women would note the implication that the man had wealth and would offer free sexual favors in exchange for a shot, however remote, at a wedding band. Althouse no doubt deprecates the men’s behavior, but we males deprecate the slutty gold diggers. I understand that my old Seiko actually kept better time, and it’s been suggested to me that even a cheap Timex kept better time.
OTOH Häagen-Dazs really did taste better than Turkey Hill.
The yuppies moved on from collecting luxury products and showing them off. Today they collect luxury beliefs and show those off.
I would say they've moved on to collect Democrat Presidential Candidates.
Ask Clooney, it's the ultimate flex.
Yuppies or Guppies?
The guppy, also known as the rainbow fish or millionfish, is a popular freshwater aquarium fish.
Fitness and self-care were big...
Thank G*d that's over.
The crazy, hazy days of mid 1970s through 1980 were coming down from Viet Nam . Young life was fueled by Cocaine addiction, free sex and OPEC oil prices while Jimmuh Carter kept telling us it was our fault . It didn’t end until Ronnie Raygun cut taxes causing a true booming economy.
Suddenly the same generation could afford for Mercedes Benz to replace Cadillac and afford private school tuition and luxury cruise vacations.
Go ahead and try to make us feel guilty. We don’t.
"The yuppies moved on from collecting luxury products and showing them off. Today they collect luxury beliefs and show those off."
In economics, goods that increase in price as demand increases are called Veblen Goods, aka luxury items. Products can be Veblen, and so can beliefs.
Regarding Veblen Believers, I'll simply quote Patrick Bateman from American Psycho: "Die Yuppie Scum. Die."
GARFIELD JIM DAVIS VINTAGE 1978 THE ONE WHO ENDS UP [with the most toys wins]
Don't forget a fresh generation of women fully embracing having sex with no strings attached. It wasn't the quasi-liberatory focking of the 1970s. Instead it was just playtime with no required meaning. I appreciated the college aged women of that period
As a fountain pen collector and user, gotta take issue with the inclusion of Cross pens in that list of purchases. They are not particularly high end. Montblanc would have been a better brand choice.
I do have a vintage Sheaffer pen from 1983 with inlaid nib. I call it my "Greed is Good" pen.
As you may eventually discover Professor, most tasty things were invented in the Bronx; for example the "Egg Cream", a delicious drink made without either eggs or cream.
View of the World from 9th Avenue
The national debt was $1 trillion in 1980 and GDP was $2.85 trillion.
In 2023 GDP was $27.4 billion and national debt is $34 trillion.
I was a young rural technician in the early days. Once I became a yuppie in the late 80's, the older corporate sellout boomers started preaching lofty mission statements and total quality management happy talk like it was Jonestown Flavorade.
Navel gazing at the New Yorker.
typingtalker: Yahtzee! Where yuppies were conceived, birthed and foisted.
A friend of mine had the toys slogan on his license plate frame. A couple of years later, he replaced it with "friends" instead of "toys."
"young, single men wore Rolex watches because pretty young women would note the implication that the man had wealth and would offer free sexual favors in exchange for a shot, however remote, at a wedding band. "
Years ago, when jewel-like cellphones were first a thing, I learned a word for this male behavior. "Lekking".
Originally meant to describe the behaviors of male animals seeking to impress female animals.
Wait...
I miss Tom Wolfe.
Don't forget a fresh generation of women fully embracing having sex with no strings attached. It wasn't the quasi-liberatory focking of the 1970s. Instead it was just playtime with no required meaning. I appreciated the college aged women of that period
Those were the days when women were all on the Pill, antibiotics still worked to keep syphilis and gonorrhea well under control, no one had ever heard of herpes or chlamydia or HIV, college administrations didn't issue detailed mandatory rules for micromanaging their students' sex lives, and feminism was sex-positive. A transient golden age for sluts and man-whores.
An Omega Constellation watch, an S T Dupont gold Red Circle Lacquer pen, Burberry trenchcoat, old-school Brooks Brothers suit, Johnson & Murphy wingtips ....
For me, that was the Uniform of the Day.
I like to think Bertie Wooster's Jeeves would have approved.
(Bbut if I wore that trenchcoat in public today I would be regarded as a Living Fossil)
Yuppies never ruled
They're ruling now, and have been for years. Who do you think is running up the federal debt and unsustainable pensions?
"Well, Althouse, you lived it. So did I, and many others here. Does this ring true?"
All the decades seem to have forces of materialism and anti-materialism.
But I guess it was a little hard for those of us who lived through the hippie movement to see the new young people being more careerist and getting too stupidly into the consumer merchandise of the time.
I was in my 30s in the 1980s, but I wasn't about being a yuppie and having a lot of disposable income. I had a new career as a lawyer, then law professor and gave birth to 2 babies (in 1981 and 1983). Shopping for clothes and other crap and eating in restaurants was not a priority.
The mainstream media always stresses these things that can be bought because they feed off advertising.
"GARFIELD JIM DAVIS VINTAGE 1978 THE ONE WHO ENDS UP [with the most toys wins]"
The quote is usually attributed to Malcolm Forbes. I think it was originally a bumper sticker.
I remember a UW lawprof who had a poster on his office door with the saying back in the 1980s. It wasn't a Garfield poster. It seemed to be political and ironic and featured a big pile of possessions.
I believe at the time it was taken to mean something more like "you can't take it with you."
Men collecting high end luxury watches seems like more of a thing now then back in the days when Rolexes ruled supreme. And men don't do it to attract women, imo, they do it to compete with other guys when they go to social events. (Women who are looking for a quick hook up are just interested in the sex, not for some vague chance that a guy will marry them.) The names of famous luxury watches which are quite common now, for example, Richard Mille or Audemars Piquet, were not as common back then. BTW, AP was founded in 1875, so it's not a new brand. And having a collection of multiple cars and a yacht are also more common these days. So I don't know why anyone would claim yuppies were more materialistic than our current crop of high earners.
The only thing that changes is the status-object. High end watches or yachts today, animal bone and seashell necklaces in 4000 BC.
Hammacher Schlemmer. Enough said.
One expensive vice I have acquired is buying clothes made of very good fabrics. I learned [theorized?] that the reason people didn’t wear shorts in the past is because if you are wearing the right natural fabrics, you don’t need shorts. The only reason to cut off the legs of your pants is if the material is not working with the climate. I don’t apologize for that either.
"Upper-middle-class people today care about the environment, about issues such as gun control and access to abortion, and they have a pretty good understanding of the concept of privilege."
Shorter version today's Democrat voting yuppies are soooo much better than those nasty Reagan voting yuppies of the 80's because they really really care. When they buy $5,000 purses they shed a wee tear for the slave labors who made the purse.
Oh Yah? What does one "win" exactly? Is your executor going to put your car, trophy wife stamp collection, Mount Blanc pen collection, golf clubs, Bass Boat, or etc in your coffin with you? The ancient Egyptians and Vikings did that but I'm not sure how efficacious it was. Just the thought of it's retarded tbh. It's a crass, materialistic, and spiritually dead kind of nonsense like from an Ayn Rand story.
What it told me is that Boomers have a wsy of making everything all about them. I look forward to the designer funerals as the last act.
As I was reading Ann’s summary of the article, I kept getting a Motel of the Mysteries vibe.
I just read the article. A few observations: The crash of 1987 wasn't a crash. Within short order, the market regained its value and momentum. It wasn't an event that caused people to redefine their lives.....I myself had too much moral grandeur and too little money to define myself as a yuppie, but I was part of the Wall St. proletariat and knew such people. They weren't so bad. Michael Milken, for example, contributed far more of lasting value to society than, say, Jerry Rubin. After he got out of prison, Milken turned his attention to prostate cancer. His funds and organizational abilities are the reason why so many men are still in possession of their prostates.....Here's how the writer ended the article: "Its epitome in the nineteen eighties was Donald Trump, a man born without a conscience. And he hasn't gone away either." I don't think anyone but this writer ever thought of Donald Trump as the epitome of "yuppiness". That honor clearly belongs to the young Michael J. Fox.
effinayright said...
"(Bbut if I wore that trenchcoat in public today I would be regarded as a Living Fossil)"
I bought my original Burberry trench on sale in 1977. I still wear it when it rains. I also wear my Gloverall duffle I bought in fall of 1970 for college.
The only things I ever bought from Brooks were Alden shoes and rep ties.
I still wear 40 year old oxford button downs to the office with my "uniform". Same goes for my blazers and suits.
Trick is don't buy cheap stuff. Buy things that are well made natural fiber and timeless.
mikee said...
"I recall the Yuppie Handbook"
Preppy Handbook, preppy being how prep school and college students dress Ivy. It's casual Ivy.
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