July 1, 2024

"As for a President's unofficial acts, there is no immunity. The principles we set out in Clinton v. Jones confirm as much."

"When Paula Jones brought a civil lawsuit against then-President Bill Clinton for acts he allegedly committed prior to his Presidency, we rejected his argument that he enjoyed temporary immunity from the lawsuit while serving as President. Although Presidential immunity is required for official actions to ensure that the President's decisionmaking is not distorted by the threat of future litigation stemming from those actions, that concern does not support immunity for unofficial conduct. The 'justifying purposes' of the immunity we recognized in Fitzgerald, and the one we recognize today, are not that the President must be immune because he is the President; rather, they are to ensure that the President can undertake his constitutionally designated functions effectively, free from undue pressures or distortions. '[I]t [is] the nature of the function performed, not the identity of the actor who perform[s] it, that inform[s] our immunity analysis.' The separation of powers does not bar a prosecution predicated on the President's unofficial acts."

From the majority opinion in Trump v. United States, issued this morning.

Where is the line between official and unofficial in the charges against Trump? The lower courts rushed through the question, which means the issues are not properly developed for the Supreme Court:
Despite the unprecedented nature of this case, and the very significant constitutional questions that it raises, the lower courts rendered their decisions on a highly expedited basis. Because those courts categorically rejected any form of Presidential immunity, they did not analyze the conduct alleged in the indictment to decide which of it should be categorized as official and which unofficial. Neither party has briefed that issue before us (though they discussed it at oral argument in response to questions). And like the underlying immunity question, that categorization raises multiple unprecedented and momentous questions about the powers of the President and the limits of his authority under the Constitution. As we have noted, there is little pertinent precedent on those subjects to guide our review of this case a case that we too are deciding on an expedited basis, less than five months after we granted the Government's request to construe Trump's emergency application for a stay as a petition for certiorari, grant that petition, and answer the consequential immunity question.

The effort to hurry seems to have ended up slowing things down. It's not entirely back to square one, though, because the Court does offer some "guidance":

Certain allegations — such as those involving Trump's discussions with the Acting Attorney General — are readily categorized in light of the nature of the President's official relationship to the office held by that individual. Other allegations — such as those involving Trump's interactions with the Vice President, state officials, and certain private parties, and his comments to the general public — present more difficult questions. Although we identify several considerations pertinent to classifying those allegations and determining whether they are subject to immunity, that analysis ultimately is best left to the lower courts to perform in the first instance.... 

In dividing official from unofficial conduct, courts may not inquire into the President's motives. Such an inquiry would risk exposing even the most obvious instances of official conduct to judicial examination on the mere allegation of improper purpose, thereby intruding on the Article II interests that immunity seeks to protect.... 

Nor may courts deem an action unofficial merely because it allegedly violates a generally applicable law....  

Virtually every President is criticized for insufficiently enforcing some aspect of federal law (such as drug, gun, immigration, or environmental laws). An enterprising prosecutor in a new administration may assert that a previousPresident violated that broad statute. Without immunity, such types of prosecutions of ex-Presidents could quickly become routine. The enfeebling of the Presidency and our Government that would result from such a cycle of factional strife is exactly what the Framers intended to avoid. Ignoring those risks, the dissents are instead content to leave the preservation of our system of separated powers up to the good faith of prosecutors.... 

The President enjoys no immunity for his unofficial acts, and not everything the President does is official. The President is not above the law. But Congress may not criminalize the President's conduct in carrying out the responsibilities of the Executive Branch under the Constitution. And the system of separated powers designed by the Framers has always demanded an energetic, independent Executive. The President therefore may not be prosecuted for exercising his core constitutional powers, and he is entitled, at a minimum, to a presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts. That immunity applies equally to all occupants of the Oval Office, regardless of politics, policy, or party....

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Dave Begley said...

The Dems should throw in the towel and stop the witch hunt.

Let the people vote and decide.

RideSpaceMountain said...

Declassification is an official act.

rehajm said...

So I can read that as: communications originating from the oval office and within the executive branch are official act but an intern blowing you in that little room off the oval office are not…

God of the Sea People said...

I think almost everything he has been charged with falls under "official acts." Ensuring a fair election is part of executing the laws of the nation. You may not agree that there were any election shenanigans, but certainly an attempt to make sure that there weren't any is an official act.

ron winkleheimer said...

"The Dems should throw in the towel and stop the witch hunt."

Not a chance in hell, because the Dems (at least their leadership) don't give a shit about what the people want. The same can be said of the GOPe. They're a combination of true believing technocrats that think that societal decisions need to be made by "experts" and money grubbing grifters. The point of Trump's prosecution is to frighten off any potential challengers to their rule.

Hassayamper said...

This seems reasonable.

Has the opinion or any concurrence made any mention of impeachment and conviction as a benchmark for whether or not a supposed crime is outside the President's official Constitutional acts? I think that sets an appropriately high bar. It would preclude chickenshit banana-republic lawfare of the type the Democrats are inflicting on Trump, but allow prosecution for crimes that are manifestly not in the President's Constitutional purview. Surely we can assume that a President who, say, shot a man in the street on 5th Avenue (or more probably, was conclusively shown to have accepted bribes from foreign countries in exchange for favorable policy decisions) would be voted out of office by large majorities of both parties, and hence subject to prosecution for his crimes.

Jimmy said...

So the case goes back to Judge Chutkan? lawyers made millions on this case, and we are back where we were months ago? make it make sense. Seems like they said ok, you need to find another way to put him in jail, the first attempt won't fly.

Maynard said...

It is shocking to me that the three liberal justices voted against this decision.

If it was Obama under the gun for drone strikes, would they have voted this way?

The rule of Lemnity said...

Making phones calls to find out what the heck happened after the vote is not an official act?

Maybe, maybe not.

My take, as I see it, is that today, the burden for the prosecution is way higher than it ever was under Judge Juan Merchan.

All we are saying is give the defendant a chance.

RideSpaceMountain said...

It is and was absolutely critical that they regain control of documents (emails) showing a coordinated campaign by the National Intelligence Complex (NIC) to undermine the President of the United States - Their boss. That's what Trump declassified. That's what he had. That's what they needed back.

Every sheet and sliver of those papers should be released Julian-Assange-Wikileaks-style to the American public and the world. They should serve as a starting point for the Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025" to defund and eliminate the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, and many others that had a hand in this rebellion.

All current employees and staff of those agencies should be fired and disbarred from serving in the newly restructured entities that will coalesce.

The revolving door will be nailed shut. I anticipate serious declines in housing values in Alexandria. Boo. Fucking. Hoo.

Mr. D said...

Biden (and Obama) will be grateful for this decision in 2025.

JAORE said...

"... the lower courts rendered their decisions on a highly expedited basis."

But why, why would they do that?????

'Tis a mystery.

The usual suspects will question/undermine the authority of the court - but not, you know, in a way that undermines the rule of law and threatens democracy.
/sarc

mccullough said...

So Biden can’t be prosecuted for prosecuting Trump

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I thought one point the Court made with Clinton was that the Paula case could proceed on the basis that it would not take much time or resources for the White House. Hah hah hah. It was used as a spade to dig up Monica, there were impeachment hearings and a vote, etc.

If partisans are prepared to use any personal failing as a point of attack to weaken or remove a President, then even apparently harmless proceedings can impair her ability to perform her office.

The rule of Lemnity said...

The Paula Jones wrinkle puts a damper on the idea this case was "unprecedented".

News pundits can't even get the basics right.

The rule of Lemnity said...

"So Biden can’t be prosecuted for prosecuting Trump"

DOJ says he's too old and feble to be able to act in his own defense.

The debate proved that prosecutor correct.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

“The lower courts rushed through the question”

Really? It would seem to me that the issue wasn’t argued in the lower courts because Trump was making a broader claim of immunity that didn’t rely on the official acts distinction.

hombre said...

This case seems to extend immunity beyond that previously understood. Maybe that is an understandable response to the outrageous political lawfare waged against Trump. My concern is extending the immunity that might be available to an Obama, Biden or Newsome. That's frightening.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

The text Althouse bolded in the "click for more" section, at the end, is ominous. Smith et al (Fani too) have been yammering endlessly about Trump's motives for removing documents, making calls. How long before the issue of plenary power to declassify also comes before the High Court, seeing as how these losers are very slow learners.

Robert Cook said...

"The Dems should throw in the towel and stop the witch hunt.

"Let the people vote and decide."


Why should anyone, Dems or honest Republicans ignore Trump's criminality?

imTay said...

"courts may not inquire into the President's motives. "

Wait a gol-darn minute here! You mean to tell me that the court has said that "mind reading" is not allowed? Holeee crap! Almost every perseveration by our erstwhile banned commenter here is founded on mind reading.

Achilles said...

Dave Begley said...

The Dems should throw in the towel and stop the witch hunt.

Let the people vote and decide.


There are Trillions of dollars at stake.

More importantly there is a massive amount of unearned status and authority in society to maintain.

Every government bureaucrat and ever HR manager and every college professor and every grade school teacher out there knows that they will no longer be put above the working class men that make their pampered coddled lives possible and keep the infrastructure of the country running.

Robert Cook said...

"So Biden can’t be prosecuted for prosecuting Trump.

Biden didn't prosecute Trump. New York State prosecuted Trump.

chickelit said...

Chuck devasted: Personal animus is not grounds for lawfare.

Achilles said...

Robert Cook said...

"The Dems should throw in the towel and stop the witch hunt.

"Let the people vote and decide."

Why should anyone, Dems or honest Republicans ignore Trump's criminality?

Ooh.

Let us hear about this criminality. Please detail the laws that Trump broke.

The rule of Lemnity said...

What does Insta think?

Well. I am in general against all of these immunities: Qualified civil immunity for most government officials, absolute immunity for judges and prosecutors — both doctrines created by judges who benefit from absolute immunity and most of whom are probably former prosecutors. I’ve always opposed both.

If there are to be legal immunities, there’s not much basis in the Constitution. You can make a good policy argument for them — and the unprecedentedly slimy, collusive, and over-the-top lawfare campaign against Trump certainly makes the argument for presidential immunity — but really these are policy choices that should be made by Congress, not by judges. But I’m not expecting that to happen anytime soon, and now that the Court has constitutionalized the issue legislation becomes harder. But while this is a suboptimal solution, we have a very, very suboptimal politico-legal system these days, so so be it.

Achilles said...

hombre said...

This case seems to extend immunity beyond that previously understood. Maybe that is an understandable response to the outrageous political lawfare waged against Trump. My concern is extending the immunity that might be available to an Obama, Biden or Newsome. That's frightening.

The key here is "Official Acts."

You can't prosecute Biden for forcing Ukraine to stop investigating Hunter and making them fire a prosecutor.

You can prosecute Biden for taking bribes from Ukraine.

Freder Frederson said...

So I guess you all can quit bitching about Obama killing a U.S. citizen in drone strike. The Supreme Court has just made it legal.

n.n said...

Let the people vote and decide.

At least express their preferences in a public market without the threat of witch hunts, warlock trials, and Planned Personhood.

Achilles said...

Freder Frederson said...

So I guess you all can quit bitching about Obama killing a U.S. citizen in drone strike. The Supreme Court has just made it legal.

As long as he admits it was an official act.

The fun and games will start when we start trying to decide what are official acts and what are not official acts.

Bush got congress to sign off on the coup/invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan. So he seems to be clear.

Did Obama make the overthrow of the Ukrainian government in 2014 official? Probably not.

What about the killing of Khadafi? Was that a legal war/coup? Seems legit. Hillary was pretty overt about making it official.

How about the bombing of the Nordstream pipeline? It does not seem like Biden made that an official act.

Trump was pretty overt about making the killing of Suleimani an official act.

Achilles said...

These questions can provide entertainment for ever.

I think the Court opened up a can of worms they are not ready for.

Aggie said...

@Robert Cook said, 11:09: (Clown Nose Off:) "Biden didn't prosecute Trump."(Clown Nose On:) "New York State prosecuted Trump."

traditionalguy said...

Schadefreude is easy today. Watch MSNBC moderators and guests suffer Depression and misery reacting over the end of the world coming upon them.

Rich said...

The fact that Trump is the first President in the entire history of the US to seek such a ruling tells you everything you need to know.

Drago said...

Field Marshall Freder: "So I guess you all can quit bitching about Obama killing a U.S. citizen in drone strike. The Supreme Court has just made it legal."

LOL

Field Marshall Freder zeroes in on the drop of "bitching" re: obama droning an American citizen without due process by skipping over the ocean of lefty/dem/LLR-lefty bitching for the last 9 years powered by hoaxes and lies and a fully weaponized lawfare deep state.

Good old Field Marshall Freder!

tim maguire said...

“Official acts are immune, unofficial acts are not”—seems like the sort of sensible decision any moderately thoughtful person would have arrived at. That the lower courts did not anticipate this result does not speak well of them.

Drago said...

LLR-democratical Rich: "The fact that Trump is the first President in the entire history of the US to seek such a ruling tells you everything you need to know."

Yep.

The New Soviet Democraticals crossed that "legal" Rubicon, along with all the others, leaving Trump in this case no other recourse but to respond to the criminally corrupted lawfare of the New Soviet Democraticals.

Thanks for pointing that out Rich.

Gotta be a tough week for you, "discovering" Biden's dementia which the whole world has already seen on top of several more of your more lingering lie-filled hoaxes getting even more powerfully debunked!

And then Elon moves Tesla to Texas and the Shareholders vote in higher numbers for the 2018 pay package.....all on top of SpaceX having a successful IFT-4 leading to more rapid pacing for a likely July IFT-5 flight of Starship....making biden's ChiCom paymasters even more nervous and trying to accelerate their copycat reusable rocket program.

Ouch. Richie and the lefty lads don't like it one bit when SpaceX extends their lead over the ChiComs.

Rich said...

The word "crime" appears nowhere in the Constitution so it's hard to see how liberals can possibly think that Trump can be prosecuted for the crimes he committed while he was president. ~ Jonathan Turley

narciso said...

One of the complainants neal katyal defended osamas driver they were going to cast george clooney as thd character

Achilles said...

Rich said...

The fact that Trump is the first President in the entire history of the US to seek such a ruling tells you everything you need to know.

Exactly. Rich reaches the correct conclusion through a brash display of stupidity.

Biden and Pence and numerous other corrupt shitheads broke these laws.

Only Trump was prosecuted for it.

Rich is still working through the humiliation of admitting he was a complete dupe pretending Biden was mentally fit for years.

He is still working through the humiliation of knowing that he has been a bald faced liar for the last decade at minimum.

Ridicule for supporting having supported the selective prosecution of Trump will soon just be another humiliation humiliation he has to endure.

But Rich is stupid enough to endure anything the Democrats ask of him.

Shouting Thomas said...

The fact that Trump is the first President in the entire history of the US to seek such a ruling tells you everything you need to know.

Indeed, Trump is the only president ever targeted by a lawfare campaign designed to rig an election.

At least that we know of.

Jamie said...

certainly an attempt to make sure that there weren't any [election shenanigans] is an official act.

Certainly that ought to be clear.

The question is, will that case fold its tent and slink away because of this certainty, or will the prosecutors try to make the case that that wasn't what Trump was doing - that what he was doing instead was trying to co-opt the governor into manufacturing votes?

As 2020 wore on, with its threat of deadly pandemic, its economic catastrophe, its multiple social catastrophes, its knives-out fights over... well, just about everything, and especially its - and by "its" I mean Democrats and their eager enablers in the media - constant, relentless attacks on Trump for doing things that (1) Biden continued to do long after any public health exigency had passed and (2) prior Democrat presidents had done with nary a peep from the press, Trump's frustration clearly grew and his ability to discipline his tongue waned.

To me, to most on my side of the aisle, that phone call's intent was obvious, especially in light of the undoubted election shenanigans that did occur. But Trump erred in not choosing his words more carefully... and of course in believing that a Republican governor, any and all Republican governors, so many of them the victims of end-runs around their states' laws and regulations in the 2020 election, would naturally see things the way he and we did.

So we'll see.

Drago said...

LLR-democratical Rich: "The word "crime" appears nowhere in the Constitution so it's hard to see how liberals can possibly think that Trump can be prosecuted for the crimes he committed while he was president. ~ Jonathan Turley"

Hmmmm, did you "forget" to add the quote marks, or is something at play here?

Yancey Ward said...

"Really? It would seem to me that the issue wasn’t argued in the lower courts because Trump was making a broader claim of immunity that didn’t rely on the official acts distinction."

Only someone who hasn't actually followed the case could write that statement, Left Bank. The District Court wasn't even entertaining the argument about whether or not the charged crimes were official or unofficial- the Trump legal team asserted all of the actions charged were official acts of the President and thus immune from prosecution. Trump appealed to the next level court and it was Smith that argued for the expedited hearing from SCOTUS on the broader issue when it was apparent that carrying through the normal appeals channel would not get him to trial before the Election. That bet was lost today.

Yancey Ward said...

I am guessing Rich is putting words into Turley's mouth by taking something out of context- I will now go see if I am right.

Drago said...

Yancey Ward: "Only someone who hasn't actually followed the case could write that statement, Left Bank."

Hmmmmm, don't discount the possibility of extreme stupidity.

Drago said...

My favorite part of the immunity ruling is the majority using the Supreme Court 8-0 ruling against Jack the hack Smith in the McDonnell ruling.

Sweet.

Sending a message with that one right across the bow of Team Lawfare and their LLR-democratical NPC minions.

Yancey Ward said...

Ok, I tracked down Rich's Turley "quote".

Rich lifted it in its entirety from a third party who is quite clear that it was parody, though from the Left not the Right.

It really isn't possible to think too little of Rich's honesty.

Freder Frederson said...

So question for all you Originalists, I have a question. What is the basis in the constitution that this decision was based on?

Deep State Reformer said...

Historians mark Rome’s transition from a law-based republic to a one man ruled empire was when Gaius Julius Caesar decided to move his legions past the Rubicon river (and so much closer to Rome) which was against the law and Roman custom bc Caesar was stepping down as a military commander to be a private citizen again which would make him vulnerable to lawfare-style attacks against him and his family by his political enemies. Upper level Republic officials had immunity to lawsuits or criminal charges, but only while in office. Biden and some local Dems have now “crossed the (American) Rubicon” and this, to my mind, marks the end of an era for America and the beginning of another. Even ex-Confederates, who were actual traitors , were (mostly) given amnesty or received pardons. But no longer. And if the tradition of peaceful transfer of power after an election ends, no good can come of it.

narciso said...

https://x.com/bhweingarten/status/1807791060971626765

Yancey Ward said...

"What is the basis in the constitution that this decision was based on?"

It is based on the separation of powers, Freder. Try reading the opinion if you have questions.

However, let me ask you a question I posed on the earlier thread- what if it were a Democrat President sitting in the dock with the exact same facts as in the Trump case- how do you think the justices today would have decided? Which justices do you expect would have voted differently in that case and support your reasoning.

The rule of Lemnity said...

1,2,3 times Former Speaker of the House insurrectiony reaction to the Supremes call on Trump.

"Today the Supreme Court has gone rouge..."

Inga said...

Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts.

Drago said...

Yancey Ward: "Ok, I tracked down Rich's Turley "quote".

Rich lifted it in its entirety from a third party who is quite clear that it was parody, though from the Left not the Right.

It really isn't possible to think too little of Rich's honesty."

You can always count on LLR-democraticals Rich/Chuck/lonejustice and wannabe's like gadfly and et al to take Rupar-ing to new levels of dishonesty.

You think they've hit rock bottom...but then they start digging with the force of a thousand woke blue hair lunatics.

Drago said...

White Savior Karen Inga: "Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts."

Uh, no.

Would you like to try again buffoon? I'm guessing "no".

Iman said...

This should leave “The Sultan of Subway” Jack Smith sanding his cheeks in bitter frustration.

Keep fuckin’ dat chicken sammich, Jackass!

Drago said...

Inga: "Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts."

Uh, no.

Would you like to try again? I'm guessing "no".

Iman said...

"Today the Supreme Court has gone rouge..."

This sounds like that Edgar Winter album cover, “They Only Come Out at Night”.

Hassayamper said...

Indeed, Trump is the only president ever targeted by a lawfare campaign designed to rig an election.

I disagree. Nixon was the first victim. Also, a lot of the outrage over Iran/Contra and Abu Ghraib was manufactured for political advantage over Reagan and both Bushes. If they thought they could have gotten away with it at the time, you bet your ass the Democrats would have done the same thing they've been doing to Trump.

Yancey Ward said...

"Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts."

He had that yesterday, Inga. However, on the broader issue, you clearly didn't even understand this morning's opinion.

narciso said...

https://x.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1807817594130272536

narciso said...

So jen is ingas long lost sister

narciso said...

The iran dead was a million times iran contra

Readering said...

Thomas concurs to go to the issue being litigated in the documents case: Smith's authority to prosecute these cases on appointment from Garland. No one joins him.

Inga said...

So… can Biden now make an Executive order saying it’s illegal to have convicted felons run for president?

narciso said...

https://x.com/PaulIngrassia/status/1807801854769643712

dwshelf said...

Sotomayor's dissent could be summarized as "Orange man bad".

In particular, she seems clueless to the threat that a newly reelected Trump might prosecute Joe Biden for weaponizing the DOJ to prosecute Trump.

Eva Marie said...

Inga said...
“Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts.”
Yes. Otherwise every President will have to run every decision by his/her legal team. The reason we have an executive branch is so our President has the ability to make fast timely decisions.

b loughlin said...

"Today the Supreme Court has gone rouge..."Eyeliner and false eyelashes are next. Expect Thomas and Alito to dissent.

Eva Marie said...

Inga said...
“So… can Biden now make an Executive order saying it’s illegal to have convicted felons run for president?”
Would you approve of that?

narciso said...

Theres no seem to it

Darkisland said...

Rich said

The word "crime" appears nowhere in the Constitution

Have you really never read the constitution?

A quick word search finds "crime" and "crimes" 9 times in my copy.

Yeah, I see Turley's name. But no quote marks. Pretty stupid comment on your part whether quoting or whether this came out of your own brain.

John Henry

Dave Begley said...

The wise Latina will soon announce her retirement. But it has to be coordinated with the Bidens.

Will she retire when Harris is POTUS and Joe has been bribed and stepped down? Or will Joe's staff and Ron Klain make the appointment while Joe is still the figurehead?

The SCOTUS nominee will be a young female; probably a lesbian.

The announcement will be made between 10-4. That I can tell you.

Inga said...

“Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts.”

“Yes. Otherwise every President will have to run every decision by his/her legal team. The reason we have an executive branch is so our President has the ability to make fast timely decisions.”

I’d say it would not be wise to jump so quickly to give Biden such authority. He can remain president until November… or beyond, even if Trump wins. Trumpublicans really haven thought this thing through.

Eva Marie said...

Inga, why would anyone want one set of rules for people they like and another set of rules for people they didn’t like.

Iman said...
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narciso said...

It was harold koh obamas head of olc who was all verklempt about waterboarding who ws fine with droning awlaki who was an american citizen

Inga said...

“Inga, why would anyone want one set of rules for people they like and another set of rules for people they didn’t like.”

Eva Marie,

I would rather that presidents I like as well as presidents I don’t like do not have absolute immunity. We’ll be seeing the fallout from such an over the top ruling. Be careful what you wish for and all that…

Critter said...

Anything less than presumptive immunity would leave the door wide open for Democrat lawfare. They know that Republicans would not use such lawfare and likely could not find venues like DC and NYC where jurors would convict a Republican for doing his/her job. The only thing surprising about the verdict is that 3 Supreme Court justices are so political that they could not rule for the American Constitutional order.

The Founders knew what they were wisely doing when they provided impeachment as the only remedy for a corrupt president.

ron winkleheimer said...

"So… can Biden now make an Executive order saying it’s illegal to have convicted felons run for president?"

Yes, yes he can. And is preparing to do so as we engage on this blog. Also, boysenberry jam is to be outlawed. The glorious leader Biden hates boysenberry jam.

Eva Marie said...

Inga, I agree with you.
Now it’s your turn to agree with me: Trump 2024

Skeptical Voter said...

Biden campaing was out with a statement on the decision "The Facts Have Not Changed".

As a statement, that's correct. But the question about facts in a criminal case--or a civil one for that matter--is what law applies to those facts.

You can bamboozle the Never Trumpers and Trespass As Insurrection types with that line. But more intelligent people will wait and see how the law is applied.

Gospace said...

The rule of Lemnity said...
"So Biden can’t be prosecuted for prosecuting Trump"

DOJ says he's too old and feble to be able to act in his own defense.

The debate proved that prosecutor correct.


They also said he would be a sympathetic figure. Depends, I guess, on your sensibilities. I, for one, would see him as evil personified.

Rich said...

All you MAGA morons celebrating — realize that Biden is President right now, right?

And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?

JAORE said...

"The word "crime" appears nowhere in the Constitution.."

Damn it JH I was going to point out this was BS.

Can't people even remember the phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors"?

And Inga, you might want to check out the difference between "partial" and "absolute. Please note the difference is NOT just whatever the POTUS claims.

Lots of legal wrangling to follow."

ron winkleheimer said...

"And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?"

Yes, its officially ok for Biden to have seal team six assassinate Trump, as long as the paperwork has the correct stamps. Or does he have to use a drone strike? Either way, "Our Democracy" is saved! Hurray!

Yancey Ward said...

Now Rich becomes Inga.

Maynard said...

Rich said" And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?

I was about to chide Inga for her ignorance and stupidity, but decided that she was trying to be funny.

I am not so sure, given your past record here, if your comment qualifies as humor.

Yancey Ward said...

"Thomas concurs to go to the issue being litigated in the documents case: Smith's authority to prosecute these cases on appointment from Garland. No one joins him."

Because that case hasn't been brought before the court, Readering. When it is someone will join Thomas- a majority or not I cannot say, but at least 1 or 2 seems pretty obvious as a minimum.

Old and slow said...

X is brimming with these sorts of comments this morning, they almost seem to have forgotten about supporting Biden's reelection campaign.

Eva Marie said...

Rich said...
“All you MAGA morons celebrating — realize that Biden is President right now, right?
And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?”
Rich, this is why we voted for Trump and not for Biden. We didn’t want to invest Biden with the power of the Presidency. That’s on you.

doctrev said...

The number of retards claiming "NOW THE PRESIDENT CAN EAT BABIES" reminds me that the Constitution could only ever work with a fundamentally moral and serious people.

If it doesn't work, so be it, scrub the decks of the congenitally stupid and issue a revised document with the lessons of 250 years. In particular, no one who fails to renounce any citizenships/ passports of foreign powers may retain or be granted American citizenship.

Neil Alice said...

Is Nixon still a crook because Mitchell was a crook?

n.n said...

Thus driving Mr. President.

"And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?"

Yes, under the Twilight Amendment where exist emanations from the penumbra, Capitol punishment, Levine's Dreams, reproductive rites, redistributive change, etc. Otherwise, official acts are limited by the Constitution, first, and the legislative and judicial branches, second.

Freder Frederson said...

You can prosecute Biden for taking bribes from Ukraine.

We learned last week, that as long as you call it gratuity and the money is received after the fact, then it is all good.

Inga said...

Could Biden as POTUS pack the SC with 4 more justices while he’s still president? If he says it’s an official act he’ll have to be given the benefit of the doubt under the new SC ruling today? So many questions and possibilities. It’s a brave new world. The president nominates, the Senate confirms. Democrats are in the majority. Think about it.

Eva Marie said...

Inga - is that why you voted for Biden? If you think he’s capable of doing this then there’s just one choice: Trump 3024

Eva Marie said...

Also Trump 2024

cfs said...

The Justices certainly called out Judge Chutkan for failing to fully develop the case below. She was in such a hurry to deny any relief that she didn't have the parties fully brief the issues before the court.

Also based upon the tone of the dissent and the majority Justices comments on it, the conferences on this case must have been a knock-down drag out brawl. The minority very deliberately refused to "respectfully" submit their dissent.

Inga said...

“Inga - is that why you voted for Biden?”

No

Rich said...

The United States of America has survived nearly 250 years without the Supreme Court having to specify the president has immunity. Why? Because no president before Donald Trump ever believed he was above the law and free to do whatever he wants with no consequences. There is no way to predict or even imagine how this ruling will impact this country in the future, when bad actors from either end of the spectrum could potentially rise to power.

imTay said...

Rich, the president can be impeached and removed by Congress at any time. Why is it so important, after 250 years, that a President can instruct his attorney general to prosecute his political opponent? Why has that never come up? Because such power properly belongs to the body with the widest reputation, and which is closes to the people. The House of Representatives is the proper place for all such trials.

imTay said...

Auto-malaprop strikes again. "widest representation."

Rich said...

It's silly to 'both sides' this abhorrent ruling, because only one party now represents American values and Democracy, and would never support a lying criminal traitor and fraud. We need to open our eyes to reality and kick this “both sides” false equivalence to the curb once and for all.

Marcus Bressler said...

Richie calls Trump supporters "morons" and he's the one who posted a fake quote supposedly from Turley. Apologize.

Yancey Ward said...

Poor Bich- a bad day to be a moron.

imTay said...

"would never support a lying criminal traitor and fraud."

Here's the problem, for just one thing you have the email from Burisma to Hunter Biden requisition that a certain prosecution in Ukraine be brought to an end, two weeks later, Biden threatens to withhold funds that Congress had approved for Ukraine, an impeachable offense, oh, only if Trump does it, and then, as Biden put it: "son of a bitch, he was fired."

Now we are deeply involved in a war that benefits the paymasters of his son, the son with whom he co-mingles bank accounts. Everything that I have said here is a matter of public record. The only thing that makes Biden not a "criminal" is the refusal of his DoJ to prosecute the evidence they have right before them, just as they refused to prosecute Hillary Clinton after finding, with no legal precedent cited, that she was only "extremely careless," not "grossly negligent," so no crime.

Lying doesn't work. No matter how hard you believe.

I can see Inga, Rich, Chuck, etc, in that scene from Peter Pan, clapping their hands together, saying "I do believe that Joe Biden is not the brazen kleptocrat that all available evidence says he is! I do! I do!"

It's also not "traitorous" to oppose Joe Biden's disastrous foreign policy.

lane ranger said...

I look forward to United States v. Biden, wherein Joe will have the opportunity to prove that his lawfare against Trump was part of his official duties, and well within the ambit of his presidential powers. Also the numerous appeals and mini-trials in the Federal District Court for the Northern District of Oklahoma. As always, the process is the punishment.

Smilin' Jack said...

Trump’s Jan 6 speech seems to be the current focus of Trump derangement syndrome. As I recall, he made that speech at the White House standing behind a podium bearing the Presidential Seal. Looks like an official act to me.

Jersey Fled said...

“So… can Biden now make an Executive order saying it’s illegal to have convicted felons run for president?”

Not unless it was wrapped in a constitutional amendment, Inga.

Lance said...

I see a lot of Trump triumphalism here, but please note SCOTUS didn't dispose of the case, they sent it back to the lower court to determine which acts are official or not. If Chutkan decides some of the charges rise from unofficial acts, this decision, Trump v. Unites States, says the prosecution will go forward even if President Trump takes office in 2025.

The banana democracy crap won't stop.

Iman said...

It hurts these Democrats to watch their Biden reelection hopes drift down the river like a bloated hippo carcass.

doctrev said...

Lance said...

The banana democracy crap won't stop.

7/1/24, 2:51 PM

You'd certainly think so, but a variety of problems are converging into a maelstrom. Unlike his first term, President Trump realizes that his enemies are not remotely decent Americans and it's time to take the gloves off.

I don't know how many judges are going to have to be brought to justice for lawfare to end, but four years' worth will be a fine start.

Achilles said...

Lance said...

I see a lot of Trump triumphalism here, but please note SCOTUS didn't dispose of the case, they sent it back to the lower court to determine which acts are official or not. If Chutkan decides some of the charges rise from unofficial acts, this decision, Trump v. Unites States, says the prosecution will go forward even if President Trump takes office in 2025.

The banana democracy crap won't stop.


The democrats have been making stuff up from the start.

Judge Thomas wrote in his concurring opinion that Jack Smith is a private citizen and has no place charging anyone with anything.

He did as much as you can do as a judge telling a lower court judge what to do.

They can't decide cases the lower court should handle or it disrupts the process. It can only tell the lower court what to do.

In this case Chutkan has been explicitly told this case is garbage from top to bottom. She should be disbarred if she allows the case to go forward in any way.

Achilles said...

Rich said...

All you MAGA morons celebrating — realize that Biden is President right now, right?

And SCOTUS just ruled he can do whatever he wants as long as it’s an official act?


You can see the tears rolling down Rich's face as he screams at the mirror.

Our entire Constitutional Republican system only works with moral intelligent and serious people.

As it becomes more and more clear that the Democrats are going to lose they just demonstrate how antithetical they are to a free society.

People like Rich and Inga and Freder need to be told what to do because they have no moral core and they lack the critical abilities to take care of themselves.

They do not belong in a free society. They cannot handle it.

Drago said...

Lance: "The banana democracy crap won't stop."

We are quite aware. But the landscape is shifting though we are fully cognizant of the absolute corruption now being visited upon Trump in the DC case and the relative likelihood of follow on corrupted Sovietized "legal" actions.

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Drago said...

LLR-democratical Rich: "The United States of America has survived nearly 250 years without the Supreme Court having to specify the president has immunity. Why?"

Because you New Soviet Democratical's have infected and destroyed every institution in the United States of America and actions never before contemplated are having to be taken to address your attempts to take us once and for all over the leftist authoritarian cliff.

I find it hilarious that you, Abacus Boy, think you can bring your Yahoo chat level BS here and expect it to hold sway.

Laughable.

Drago said...

LLR-democratical Rich: "We need to open our eyes to reality and kick this “both sides” false equivalence to the curb once and for all."

LOL

You got a mouse in your pocket?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Justice Thomas takes a freaking hammer to the fake "special counsel" office Garland made up. He clearly says that Congress is the only body that can create a special prosecutor, that then is nominated for fulfillment by the president and confirmed by the Senate. None of that happened here. The law establishing special counsels expired years ago. Bottom line: Jack Smith is a private citizen who doesn't have the authority to prosecute ANYONE, much less the Chief Executive who has immunity from his official acts (which were not crimes anyway).

imTay said...

Any of the J6 charges that don't stem from official acts certainly depend on the now prohibited basis of mind reading Trump's motives.

The whole thing is shot to Hell. Read beyond the fold, if you haven't.

Narayanan said...

but an intern blowing you in that little room off the oval office are not
===============
what about vice-versa?

Bruce Hayden said...

“So… can Biden now make an Executive order saying it’s illegal to have convicted felons run for president?”

Sure. But it won’t have any effect. IAt best, it would only bind government employees. But the Constitution and Supreme Court have already spoken here - the requirements for being President are set out there - I.e., 35 years old, natural born citizen, etc.

doctrev said...

Drago said...

I find it hilarious that you, Abacus Boy, think you can bring your Yahoo chat level BS here and expect it to hold sway.

7/1/24, 3:32 PM

Can you believe they tried to ban this guy?! Pure poetry.

Narayanan said...

attempt to make sure that there weren't any [election shenanigans] is an official act.
=================
can "standing to sue to challenge election" be conferred on ABCDX via official act?

imTay said...

High end property values are through the roof in South Florida. It seems to be people of means fleeing NYC. I am sure it has nothing to do with the perversion of the courts, though. It's probably something else. Yeah, that's the ticket! It's something else!

The rule of Lemnity said...

I'm going to set a bar for what's an official act.

Talking to elected officials both federal or state, it's an official act.

Talking to agency office holders, federal or state, it's an official act.

Jersey Fled said...

“SCOTUS didn't dispose of the case, they sent it back to the lower court to determine which acts are official or not. If Chutkan decides some of the charges rise from unofficial acts, this decision, Trump v. Unites States, says the prosecution will go forward.”

But with a”presumption of immunity for all official actions” which I take as placing a high burden on the prosecution to prove their case.

Rich said...

There are two elements to the immunity decision that are particularly extreme in a way that many will miss:(1) motive is irrelevant and (2) immune acts are not just excluded from prosecution, they’re excluded from evidence.

Motive being irrelevant means that the President can do a thing for expressly lawless reasons so long as the thing is within the extremely broad range of official acts. So question isn’t “can the President conspire to defraud,” it’s “can the President call a state official about an election.”

The problem is that almost anything can be shoehorned into an official act depending on how you characterize it or the level of generality you use. The Court’s “well of course a President has to use due care that election laws are enforced” hints at this.

Justice Roberts smug and superior dismissal of the dissents’ concerns seems to come to us via time warp from some time that never knew Trump. The danger of lawlessness he poses are manifest — he and his followers brag of them. Only a liar or fool would dismiss them.

At any rate, congratulations to the Federalist Society for an achievement beyond the reach of the British, outside the grasp of bloody civil war, impossible to Nazis and Soviets and terrorists: defeating the American idea.

Ampersand said...

Sending this back to the district court just opened the door to a developed jurisprudence of presidential immunity. I predict it will prioritize the use by presidents of their government subordinates, since such actions by government employees will be far more readily defensible than acts done directly by the President.

Imagine Watergate if the burglars had been FBI agents acting on presidential orders. Probable immunity. If the burglary had been done by agents of the reelection campaign, no immunity. Of course, the remedy of impeachment remains intact.

Jersey Fled said...

Using the Comey Standard, would any reasonable prosecutor continue to press this case knowing now that they must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the actions were unofficial, that there is a strong presumption that the acts were official, and that they can’t get into issues of intent?

I think we know the answer to that question.

Now let’s see what the Democrats do.

Gospace said...

From Sotomayor, who seems to know exactly what demoncRATs would do:
Orders the Navy’s Seal Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a militar coup to hold onto power? Immune.

And from Seth Abramson on what Biden COULD do, but shouldn't: Certainly he can find that Trump has colluded with foreign powers. And he can find that Trump incited an insurrection. Certainly it is at the outer limits of his official powers to preclude the federal government from sponsoring an election in which Trump appears on ballots. And in a remarkable case of projection: It does feel to me, today, as though we have reached the apex of a reality that actually became clear back in 1992: Republicans can no longer win elections honestly, and they are not going to stand for it. They will use crime, graft and theft to ensure we are ruled by a minority. Seems he forgot to add 3 AM ballot dumps, counting ballots when elections observers aren't present, and not verifying signatures on mail in ballots, etc., etc., etc...

Lots of similar reactions from other fair minded liberals- many of which are nothing more than missives urging Biden to assassinate Trump as it is his duty to protect democracy... Because he couldn't be prosecuted because protecting democracy is a core function of the presidency... No one is actually saying do it! Do it! It's along the lines of Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest? words of Henry II- just before someone did.

Robert Cook said...

There shouldn't be immunity even for official acts. We have exercised many official acts that were crimes, (e.g., invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq; torture of prisoners on Guantanamo and in prisons in the Middle East; invasion of Viet Nam and all the crimes we perpetrated throughout that war; dropping atomic bombs on two cities in Japan inhabited only by civilians; and certainly more we've never been made aware or have been denied, or that fade into history, etc.).

If the powerful in Washington have immunity for "official acts," whatever they might be, what can prevent the continuation of US crimes perpetrated by members of the government and military in the future?

Robert Cook said...

"High end property values are through the roof in South Florida. It seems to be people of means fleeing NYC."

Anyone who would trade NYC for South Florida must truly be idiots.

imTay said...

"Motive being irrelevant means..." that you can't prosecute an act by the president by claiming to know what he was thinking even if he "expressly" says that he was thinking something else, and it is in fact impossible to prove that he is lying about what he was thinking.

The J6 persecutions have taken a hit below the water line here. All that remains are the investigations into why the Democrats left the Capitol undefended despite Trump's suggestion that they would need 20,000 troops guarding it. This is a matter of public record, and the only refutation of it seems to be to call the people in the room liars, even as the Capitol Police logs record the suggestion from the White House, and that they declined it. Why there were so many FBI and undercover agents there who seemed to be involved in inciting protesters to violence, for instance by shooting riot control rounds into peaceful crowds, to get them agitated.

This is how Biden's coup in Maidan worked, BTW, Right Sector snipers shot into the crowds from buildings they controlled, creating mayhem and panic, which they then blamed on the elected government. The exact people behind the Maidan coup wanted Joe Biden to be President, for reasons that are obvious now, as he supports their side in the ten year civil war whole heartedly.

It's all connected. These people wanted control of the US military through Biden, and they got it, whatever the cost to our "norms."

Every accusation from them is a confession. Rich especially.

Original Mike said...

Blogger Rich said...
"It's silly to 'both sides' this abhorrent ruling, because only one party now represents American values and Democracy, and would never support a lying criminal traitor and fraud. We need to open our eyes to reality and kick this “both sides” false equivalence to the curb once and for all."


I look at the Bidens bringing in millions from foreign actors and think, "You've got to be shitting me?"

imTay said...

"Anyone who would trade NYC for South Florida must truly be idiots."

Hey, I never said they lived there year round. I don't. I said "people of means" you know, the ones who used to pay the taxes there.

Bruce Hayden said...

“Justice Thomas takes a freaking hammer to the fake "special counsel" office Garland made up. He clearly says that Congress is the only body that can create a special prosecutor, that then is nominated for fulfillment by the president and confirmed by the Senate. None of that happened here. The law establishing special counsels expired years ago. Bottom line: Jack Smith is a private citizen who doesn't have the authority to prosecute ANYONE, much less the Chief Executive who has immunity from his official acts (which were not crimes anyway).”

My reading of that is that it is a message to embolden ED FL District court Judge Cannon, who is considering just that motion right now. And as I have pointed out before, a negative ruling by her, declaring Smith not to be legitimate as a special prosecutor, would probably force the D DC Judge to reciprocate, and ultimately bringing it up the Supreme Court, on a Circuit split, where they know that Trump has at least 1 vote, likely at least 3, and maybe 5 or 6.

Yancey Ward said...

Motive being irrelevant means that the President can do a thing for expressly lawless reasons so long as the thing is within the extremely broad range of official acts. So question isn’t “can the President conspire to defraud,” it’s “can the President call a state official about an election.”

It is almost as if Rich has no idea what begging the question is.

Yancey Ward said...

"The problem is that almost anything can be shoehorned into an official act depending on how you characterize it or the level of generality you use."

And the obvious counter is that almost official act can be shoehorned into a criminal one depending on how you characterize it or the level of generality you use, which is what SCOTUS was explicitly worried about and with good reason. This is especially true if you have mind readers who think they can tell us the motive so that it can be used to prove the crime- in other words, idiots like you, Rich.

RCOCEAN II said...

After reading the SCOTUS opinions I was truly amazed how emotional, badly written, and results oriented the Sotomayor's and Jackson's opinion were. Basically, it was nothing more than hysterical doomsaying covering up the fact that they want to destroy Trump by lawfare.

Nowhere do they discuss the separation of powers, or the ability of the POTUS to operate without fear of some future AG or Federal proscecutor putting him on trial for some fake/phony obscure "crime". WHich is exactly what is going on with Trump. What actual CRIME did Trump commit? I follow the cases, and I still couldn't tell you. Nor did they address the fact that we've gone 230 years without a former POTUS being dragged into court for supposed Crimes by his former opponent.

On the bright side: maybe people will stop worshiping these "Guardians of the Constitution" once they realize they are nothing more than partisan dimwits.

And ACBs actions seems to solidify my description of her as "Grandma O Connor II" with a badly written concurrence, which seemed to have no point except to take a fuzzy, lets make it more complicated, middle position. I'd bet she's less interested in the Constitution than in making sure "The chicks" on other side don't think she's ganging up on them with "The boys" .

RCOCEAN II said...

Look, do you want to have a real country or not?

If you want a Leftwing Bannana Republic, just say so.

Drago said...

Robert Cook: "Anyone who would trade NYC for South Florida must truly be idiots."

Yes, its positively a mystery why anyone might prefer South Florida to NYC!

imTay said...

"can the President call a state official about an election."

Yes. Next question.

Tom said...

I do think an impeachment and conviction should strip the president of their immunity protections for both official acts and even potentially constitutional acts. However, I also believe this should be codified in a constitutional amendment. It should be a high bar but not an impossible bar to prosecute a president for at least the high crimes portion of their offenses.

narciso said...

yes justice barrett has not really shown herself in the best light, being unwilling to defend the First Amendment, as well as being ignorant about lawfare as practiced,

of course soto's mimicking of judge pan, well thats was embarassing if they had any shame,

Robert Cook said...

"Yes, its positively a mystery why anyone might prefer South Florida to NYC!"

Yes, it is. I grew up in Florida, (Northeast FL), and I've visited South Florida several times. I also lived in NYC for nearly 41 years. It is a mystery that passeth understanding.

Darkisland said...

dropping atomic bombs on two cities in Japan inhabited only by civilians;

Bullshit, Cookie.

Both were important Japanese military headquarters

Why would either of these be more of a war crime than the conventional bombing of, say, Tokyo where 200,000 civilians died in February 45?

John Henry

narciso said...

even after the Second bomb, the high command was still willing to keep fighting,

Inga said...

King Biden about to speak!

imTay said...

"King Biden about to speak!"

After 4 pm? Are we sure that that is wise?

Inga said...

All Hail King Biden! Immune from campaigning from the White House. New presidential powers now. Thanks SC.

imTay said...

If living in Florida for the winter months meant that I had to spend the summer months there, well, I would listen to Mark Twain, who said that if he had a home in Hell, and a home in Miami, he would rent out Miami and live in Hell.

Drago said...

Inga: "All Hail King Biden! Immune from campaigning from the White House. New presidential powers now. Thanks SC."

The idiots always self-identify.

Jersey Fled said...

“I also lived in NYC for nearly 41 years”

What were you in jail for?

Original Mike said...

Is he throwing in the towel?

Inga said...

Drago will be the first one to squeal like a little pig if he thinks King Biden acts like a King now. Sometimes you get what you want, but not the way you want it.

imTay said...

Since Biden's DoJ refuses to prosecute him for even obvious crimes where the evidence to convict is public knowledge, I don't see how this changes anything, Inga.

How does tomorrow dawn any differently for Hillary, who was also immune from prosecution even though her own aide, Huma Abedin, testified under oath that she destroyed Federal Records in her care. No prosecution.

Joe BIden had classified documents at his "think tank," the Penn Biden Foundation, in an office where Chinese natinals had the key, no prosecution. Not even for the boxes of classified documents he kept in a cardboard box where his unregistered foreign agent, in the pay of many foreign nationals, had unfettered access, unless you consider lifting the lid off of a cardboard box "fettered."

No prosecution.

King Biden indeed. All he needs is a 'D' after his name.

Inga said...

King Biden is the only one that can fix it. Now he has the power. Thanks SC.

narciso said...

its hot but then so is jersey, where I lived for a time, South Florida got a little overcrowded specially Broward County, which has gotten much stupider since I left,

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Crook Joe is already King Biden - above the law. Nothing new.

Jim at said...

Why should anyone, Dems or honest Republicans ignore Trump's criminality?

Because you're focused on made-up shit while ignoring Biden's actual crimes?

Just spitballin' here.

Inga said...

“Crook Joe is already King Biden - above the law. Nothing new.”

Oh you silly little waif, you haven’t seen anything yet. We now have a King. Thanks SC. Getting real now, isn’t it?

Yancey Ward said...

Biden's people missed a huge opportunity tonight as I knew they would- they could have taken today's ruling and ordered the DoJ to drop the cases as moot. However, they just doubled down on the persecution of his rival for the Presidency. Trump wins again, tonight. Too fucking funny how inept Trump's political opponents are.

Drago said...

Inga: "Drago will be the first one to squeal like a little pig if he thinks King Biden acts like a King now."

LOL

A meaningless outburst from a moron.

Biden has already ignored the Supreme Court direct rulings in his student loan decisions. His Attorney General and corrupted DC courts are throwing republicans in jail for defying democrat controlled congressional subpoenas while simultaneously refusing to prosecute democraticals for defying republican controlled congressional subpoenas, destroying executive privilege that existed for 250 years.

All while using newly constructed novel laws to target political opponents.

It took this long for the issues of immunity that YOUR team bastardized to reach the SC and now you are crying.

Isn't it interesting that the clear implied Presidential immunity under different categories of actions was codified for civil acts and determined 45 years ago and now, because of the corrupt actions of Biden/Garland/Smith/Dem DC "judges" the immunity question for supposedly criminal acts, which they clearly are not, was forced on the SC now.

And whats the first thing our marxist dems think of: assassinating political rivals. Just like every other commie that ever existed.

So go for it Inga! See where that gets you.

Original Mike said...

Is this what's being bandied about on the left-wing fever swamps now?

Yancey Ward said...

Inga, you are making yourself into an absolute fool today with the threats of what Biden is now free to do. Biden isn't going to do shit and you and everyone reading your comments knows it. Stop making empty threats if you want to retain any dignity.

Drago said...

Inga: "Getting real now, isn’t it?"

Its your team crying.

Go ahead. Take it to the next level. Make our day.

Drago said...

Original Mike: "Is this what's being bandied about on the left-wing fever swamps now?"

Yep.

Every single one of the dems/LLR-dems, everywhere, without hesitation, went directly to murdering political opponents.

Yancey Ward said...

"Is this what's being bandied about on the left-wing fever swamps now?"

Yes, it is. I haven't really heard of any threat from anyone more ridiculous than the one that Biden can now take the gloves off and punish Trump supporters. They clearly didn't even read the majority opinion which quite clearly states that Presidents aren't free to act like tyrants, only that if you are going to charge one as such it had better be fucking clearcut example of non-official acts. And, in any case, Presidents still answer to Congress on any terms Congress wishes to enforce.

imTay said...

"they just doubled down on the persecution of his rival for the Presidency."

Seems like only a month ago he insisted that these prosecutions were all independent of him and not under his direction.

Original Mike said...

"Biden has already ignored the Supreme Court direct rulings in his student loan decisions.…"

Ditto the eviction moratorium ruling.

Jim at said...

This has to be the stupidest thread I've ever read on this blog. Why, it's almost as if the left has NO idea what this ruling means. Or why it was brought about.

They simply prattle on about silly what-ifs as they're some sort of 'gotcha.'

They aren't.

You'd think they'd be embarrassed by their ignorance. Or at least be silent about it. But you'd be wrong.

Carry on.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Inga - drama Queen/ Maddow on-Q hive hysteric.

Calm down - watch the video at the link. Then - get a clue.

Bruce Hayden said...

“All while using newly constructed novel laws to target political opponents.”

Except for the possible exception of the statute of limitations in one of the NY cases, they didn’t actually construct new laws, but rather misinterpreted existing laws. For example, the case a couple days ago, where they tried to interpret 18 USC 1512(c)(2) out of the context of 1512(c)(1), which was just rejected by the Supreme Court. That’s the LawFare I keep talking about - deliberate misinterpretations of criminal (and civil in the case of Trump’s supposed lying about property values) laws, that turn non-crimes into supposed crimes.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

It's funny watching the left melt down. They are not fearful of Trump - they are delighted in the prospect of their leftist leaders actually doing what hysteric Sotomoyer suggests will happen.

Drago said...

Poor Dementia-Glitch Boy.

He was forced to read a teleprompter for 4 whole minutes and turned slowly and shuffled off, incapable of taking questions...even pre-arranged ones. Because he, like all dementia patients, was sundowning outside his usual window of drugged up incompetence from between 10am and 4pm.

Weekend At Bernies continues at the White House.

Inga said...

I think King Biden’s DOJ could hunt down Steve Bannon’s mouthpieces like Drago as being enemies of Democracy and arrest and jail them. Hey, isn’t that what you Drago and Steve Bannon (while he was not in jail) wanted Trump to do to non Trumpists? I recall Steve Bannon warning Democrats to “be scared”. Good for the goose, good for the gander. Now possible. Thank SC.

JAORE said...

Sigh.

Our POTUS and his flotilla of trained monkeys are broadcasting the fevered fantasies of the Wide Latina about Trump ordering death squads.

Drago said...

Inga: "I think King Biden’s DOJ could hunt down Steve Bannon’s mouthpieces like Drago as being enemies of Democracy and arrest and jail them. Hey, isn’t that what you Drago and Steve Bannon (while he was not in jail) wanted Trump to do to non Trumpists? I recall Steve Bannon warning Democrats to “be scared”. Good for the goose, good for the gander. Now possible. Thank SC."

Its amazing.

Inga actually finds ways to post dumber things than before!

Its what makes her a perfect democratical: her loud and proud ignorance.

And to think she passed herself off for years as a mindreader extraordinaire! Who can ever forget "You dont know what Mueller knows!" and then Inga would regale us with wild tales of what was really happening!

Good times, good times.

Hassayamper said...

@Drago: And whats the first thing our marxist dems think of: assassinating political rivals. Just like every other commie that ever existed.

The leftist shrieking about how Biden can now send SEAL teams to slaughter Trump in particular and Republicans in general has become deafening today.

The wish is father to the thought, obviously.

Don't let the left-wing terrorist scum confiscate your firearms under any circumstances, no matter what laws their illegitimate fraud-by-mail enemy occupation governments may pass. If it's time to hide your guns from the Stalinists, it's actually time to use them.

Drago said...

What's really odd is Inga claims to be a mindreader...and a nurse! And she has spent years assuring us Biden was/us sharp as a tack while Trump has all sorts of mental issues.

And then the debate happened and the truth, which was already known to the entire world except for the New Soviet Democratical Party members in the US, was forced down the throats of the Ingas of the world.

And yet Inga has yet to explain her moronic online "diagnoses" for the last 8 years which have all been destroyed...just like all of her precious hoaxes which have blown up in her face.

Drago said...

Interestingly, Dementia-Glitch Boy was looking a bit orange from his spray on tan earlier today!

LOL

So at this point its Orange Man-Bad vs Orange Man-Cadaver!

Original Mike said...

I thought Biden wasn't involved in the prosecutions of Trump. Why would he have anything to say at all?

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...

Inga - your inner Soviet is showing again.

Drago said...

BTW, Li'l baracky obambi, as President, ordered the extra-judicial murder of an American citizen without due process by drone strike.

Every single thing the New Soviet Democraticals accuse others if wanting to do, they have already actually done.

And none other than Clare McCaskill on MSNBC declared Biden could order the US military to "take out" the conservative justices.

A clear attempt to egg on another Hodgkinson type to kill Supreme Court members...which is why Garland refuses to increase security for conservative SC members homes.

Drago said...

Original Mike: "I thought Biden wasn't involved in the prosecutions of Trump. Why would he have anything to say at all?"

Indeed.

His little performance tonight put that lie to rest...permanently.

Maynard said...

Responding to incredibly stupid liberals is like wrestling with a greased pig.

There is nothing to grab onto and you get yourself dirty for nothing.

Saint Croix said...

It's quite telling that the media freak-out over presidential immunity is so subdued, and barely noticeable...

compared to the media freak-out over Biden's debate performance

almost like the Trump prosecutions were never taken seriously

and never meant to be actual criminal prosecutions

it was a political prosecution, designed to harm his bid for the White House

having four simultaneous criminal prosecutions was a joke

even non-lawyers recognized that

the "criminal trials" were staged for 2024, and irrelevant after that

Rusty said...

Inga said...
"I think King Biden’s DOJ could hunt down Steve Bannon’s mouthpieces like Drago as being enemies of Democracy and arrest and jail them."
The first amendment prevents that.

Marcus Bressler said...

Every year, on two days in August, I celebrate the dropping of the atomic bombs on the inhuman barbarians of Japan -- who weren't a dignified people in the decades leading up to Pearl Harbor. They deserved every burnt man, woman, and child for their war crimes.

Cameron said...

Interesting the Supreme Court today basically ruled Nixon was right when he said "When the President does it, its not illegal"

wendybar said...

Blogger Inga said...
Just think, Biden now has absolute immunity in all manner of things he deems official acts.

7/1/24, 12:10 PM

He has had it all along dummy. How else could someone who WASN'T President steal classified documents from a SKIF and keep them for years in unlocked garage strewn in boxes??? HE should be imprisoned for THAT alone.

wendybar said...

Rich said...
It's silly to 'both sides' this abhorrent ruling, because only one party now represents American values and Democracy, and would never support a lying criminal traitor and fraud. We need to open our eyes to reality and kick this “both sides” false equivalence to the curb once and for all.

7/1/24, 2:24 PM

DAMN, you are obstinate. You obviously know the Biden Crime family has the power behind them to ward off any prosecution right now.....if you are REALLY this blind...please get help, because you shouldn't be running your mouth on blogs on things you are ignorant about.

wendybar said...

nga said...
“Crook Joe is already King Biden - above the law. Nothing new.”

Oh you silly little waif, you haven’t seen anything yet. We now have a King. Thanks SC. Getting real now, isn’t it?

7/1/24, 7:23 PM

Talk about silly little waif's......

Joe Biden and King Hussein before him are treated like Kings (and saviors from above with halos and everything!!) by idiots like you. That is how and why we got Trump.

Drago said...

Cameron; "Interesting the Supreme Court today basically ruled Nixon was right when he said "When the President does it, its not illegal""

No, they didn't.

Chuck said...

I'm looking forward to a six-week evidentiary hearing in, say, September-October, to specifically answer the SCOTUS threshold question(s) on "official acts."

Mike Pence's testimony should be good. Also Cassidy Hutchinson. Mark Meadows too. (Fifth Amendment there?) Etc., etc., etc.

Yancey Ward said...

Poor little Chuck still digging through that dogshit looking for that pony.

Rich said...

An unfairly maligned formulation of the true meaning of the separation of powers, according to yesterday’s Supreme Court majority.

“Well, when a president does it, that means it is not illegal.” ~ Richard M Nixon

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