The NYT reports.
Across the street from the courthouse, police are gathered examining the area where a man set himself aflame.... The air has a somewhat charred scent.One bystander described the incident, saying: “He made a noise and he threw all those pamphlets. I don’t know if the cops will ever release that but those pamphlets have the answers of whatever the hell…convinced himself to kill himself… It’s just shocking. I mean, I couldn’t do anything. It’s honestly hard to even process in your brain. There’s some people crying in the park… There’s just nothing you can do. He’s burning himself…”
UPDATE: From New York Magazine:
Isabelle Brourman, a courtroom sketch artist, said she saw a man who wrapped himself in an American flag and light himself on fire in the park outside court. He didn’t say anything even as bystanders shouted for him to stop.
And there's a tweet that says: "He had been outside protesting all week. Julie Berman, 56, of Manhattan, said she had come down to the courthouse to take pictures of the protesters, and said the man was carrying a sign that said something about Biden, Trump and a coup." That suggests it was related to the Trump trial, and — based on the use of the word "coup" — that the man was anti-Trump.
ANOTHER UPDATE: The Daily Mail has pictures of the man's sign and of the pamphlet, and it appears that the man saw Biden and Trump working together on a "fascist world coup."
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I don’t identify MAGA country as the self immolating type.
But if it was protesting against Trump, someone forgot to tell them Trump is not president.
If anything, the trial is about making sure he’s not president again.
There’s a lot of confusion out there.
No, they're not mentally ill…
Watched the video. If that young man is alive, he's going to wish he wasn't.
Ouch.
No one picked up one of his pamphlets?
It could have nothing to do with being for or against Trump, the man may have just gone to where he knew there would be people and cameras.
Tell me Again?
About how New Yorkers AREN'T insane??
So far I’ve seen more videos of the reporter doing the AMAZING live play by play than the lunatic who set himself on fire. She’s gonna steal all his limelight!
It adds a note of dignity to the show trial.
NYT: "This is a developing story and will be updated" - once we can tie it to the fear and hopelessness caused by Trump.
Manhattan is a shithole
Now THAT is some new and improved Trump Derangement Syndrome!
Props!
Good riddance.
Not a cult.
The act doesn't appear to be directly related to the trial or Trump.
Once the fire is going big, it is cruel to put the person out before they die. They are just going to be in horrible pain till they die in the hospital.
What a terrible thing for that man's family.
“ Tell me Again?
About how New Yorkers AREN'T insane??”
Who knows, maybe he’s from Iowa.
Once the liquid is splashed about but not yet lit, would you go in and try to stop him?
Seems like there were a lot of people in the area just standing by.
And somehow he didn't manage to announce his reason for the protest.
I guess the answer is in the pamphlets, and the authorities aren't publicizing the contents.
"Once the liquid is splashed about but not yet lit, would you go in and try to stop him?"
Not until I saw method to assure it wouldn't be lit. And I don't see one.
"I guess the answer is in the pamphlets, and the authorities aren't publicizing the contents."
Why is it everything's secret now?
Seinfeld series finale revisited.
TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome
TIS - Trump Immolation Syndrome
Yes 'tis. TIS indeed.
That suggests it was related to the Trump trial, and — based on the use of the word "coup" — that the man was anti-Trump.
I think this is inconclusive. I've seen plenty of references to 'coup' as the installation of Biden via shady voting practices and J6 being engineered by various TLAs to prevent investigation. The anti-Trump talking point is almost always 'insurrection'.
His substack and instragram have been identified, and images of the pamphlets are available. He's clearly a mentally ill person and there's no rationality to ascribe to his theories or his actions.
I’m thinking of the cover of Pink Floyd’s ‘Wish You Were Here’ album: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91uXtYZUMKL._SL1500_.jpg. The guy on fire sorta does look a littler like a younger Trump.
The man was just identified by NYPD as Maxwell Crosby Azzarello. And also mentioned that he wrote a Substack essay. The moment that they mentioned it, I searched him online and found the complete Substack. I hit 'print' before it could be deleted. I expect a lot of people did. So it will certainly be posted in full, and soon.
I just read it. It's 9 pages in Substack format. It is pure conspiratorial rambling. And it is a kind of suicide note. The general subject matter is a giant "Ponzi scheme" surrounding cryptocurrency. The writer mentions Peter Thiel, Jeffrey Epstein, and a string of politicians including Dukakis, Bush, Clinton, Gore, Hillary and Trump. Broadly speaking, he equates them all as part of a kind of grand government conspiracy.
He launches into paragraphs of episodes of "The Simpsons." (I am not kidding here.)
He signs off as "Max Azzarello."
Althouse; nota bene. There isn't a single phrase in these nine pages that would seriously qualify as "anti-Trump." You're going to want to reconsider that.
"I guess the answer is in the pamphlets, and the authorities aren't publicizing the contents."
That would typically indicate the contents reflect poorly on leftists. If the fault could be laid at Trump's feet, it would be on every news station right now.
I've seen reports that his name is Max Azzarello. Apparently he is still upset about last year's Silicon Valley bank failure and something about Peter Theil & bank-runs plus also something about cryptocurrency. It's reported that he has a Substack page and has written extensively on the subject.
The intensity of the heat could be felt several hundred feet away as the young man sat within that good information.
Nice job MSM and Dems (BIRM), hyping all the OMB and TDS.
You are really influencing your NPC followers in a totally positive direction.
It adds a note of dignity to the show trial.
Perfect.
His Substack.
"I have set myself on fire outside the Trump Trial."
"several hundred feet"?
"And somehow he didn't manage to announce his reason for the protest."
Not going to link it, but he substacked his reasons in advance. Looks legit.
Thank goodness he didn't TicTok it. That would have been like crossing the streams.
One less vote for the other guy.
Ann Althouse:
Once the liquid is splashed about but not yet lit, would you go in and try to stop him?
No, because that would be stupid.
where did the young man find recipe for auto da BBQ
Seems like there were a lot of people in the area just standing by.
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where did the young man find recipe for auto da BBQ asked by cannibals wielding thier utensils
"several hundred feet"?
Seems unlikely. A football field is several hundred feet in length, a fire large enough that you can feel its heat from that far away would be one big-ass fire.
What a horrible way to die and to do for nothing. As mentioned above thread, for his sake and his family's sake, I hope he doesn't survive and just passes while under sedation with fentanyl and other pain meds. Instead of wasting money on illegals, deport them on the spot and use the money that is being spent on them on the seriously mentally ill in decent institutions.
To each his own
Photos of the pamphlets are circulating. The man thought Trump and Biden and other countries are promoting fascism.
“Why is it everything's secret now?”
Not everything, just that which veers away from/disproves the narrative or party line.
We to greatly further support leftists if they wish to identity as self-immolations.
Every circus needs a sideshow.
It was unclear what motivated his action.
I'll take "Nuttier than a damn fruitcake" for $500, Alex.
According to NYMag, the conspiracist who lit himself afire said:
“Trump’s in on it,” Mr. Azzarello said on Thursday. “It’s a secret kleptocracy, and it can only lead to an apocalyptic fascist coup.”
So our self-immolator takes us from the Jan 6 end of democracy to the end of civilization. Now Trump will get richer and more powerful as the world ends. Die now or die later, I suppose.
Thanks for the link Mary Beth.
A sad crazy person.
Sad!
That Substack is sad and scary. Clearly he's a paranoid schizophrenic. Imagine having to live with that running around your brain constantly.
I'm sure there's some reason why, but it seems like schizophrenics never hear imaginary supportive voices telling them that they're wonderful people. Or maybe some do, and those people just become politicians.
Like Buddhist monks in Saigon mid 60s, he's protesting Democrat malfeasance.
Inga, with a due disrespect, I hope you die in a fire.
There are now reports that apparently all known political donations from the self-immolator went to democraticals and there are pics of him wearing Clinton and Bernie t shirts.
We'll see if this holds up.
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1781453330855670010?t=C8jCJQsuyk42QoF95j7yjg&s=19
"Once the liquid is splashed about but not yet lit, would you go in and try to stop him?"
Absolutely not. There are a lot of ways of dying that I would be ok with since I am going to do it eventually anyway, but ending up dead or in a burn unit trying to save the life of a nutjob isn't one of them.
Gadfly - Trump is not getting richer.
Your leftists are.
Gadfly,
You should buy some gasoline and a book of matches, then.
David53: "Thanks for the link Mary Beth.
A sad crazy person."
When thinking about this "sad crazy person", do keep in mind others with equally sad and crazy tendencies, like LLR-democratical And Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck.
gadfly said...
According to NYMag, the conspiracist who lit himself afire said:
“Trump’s in on it,” Mr. Azzarello said on Thursday. “It’s a secret kleptocracy, and it can only lead to an apocalyptic fascist coup.”
So our self-immolator takes us from the Jan 6 end of democracy to the end of civilization. Now Trump will get richer and more powerful as the world ends. Die now or die later, I suppose.
I have used up my allotment of free NYMag articles for the month. Did somebody with NYMag speak to him on the record? I ask not because your writing wasn't clear, but rather because I wanted to emphasize that "Trump's in on it" does not appear in his 'suicide' Substack column. His only mention of Trump is when he says, "Clinton is with Bush, Gore is with Bush, Trump is with Hillary, and so on..."
More than five hours after NYPD said that they would seek the removal of the Max Azzarello Substack, it's still online. The 9-page 'suicide' post, as well as a large handful of other thoroughly crazy conspiracy rants. Each one as loony as the next.
This is so surprising to me. Perhaps the reason Substack hasn't removed it is because there was no other victim to protect in an investigation; or perhaps because Substack has layered rules for removing posts without the author's say-so, and they haven't yet legally satisfied all the layers.
I blame the Vietnamese Buddhist Monk. Good art is unique and original, there is no distinction in making a knockoff copy.
I almost can feel his pain and see his truth. Maybe if a few thousand more MAGAts carry the torch and follow suit I’ll see the light and accept DJT as my lord and savior…..
It’s definetly NOT a cult!
The unhinged will always be amongst us. Our media saturated society makes this sort of acting out on their part nigh inevitable. At least he only hurt himself.
"Once the liquid is splashed about but not yet lit, would you go in and try to stop him?"
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maybe find extinguishers foam dispensers to use
Are people seriously trying to claim this was a Trump supporter?
Very sad.
Very sad.
"...but the intensity of the heat could be felt several hundred feet away..."
Bullshit.
A couple of hundred to me is two hundred.
Several hundred to me is at least three hundred feet or one hundred yards.
Bullshit.
Blogger Chuck said...
I have used up my allotment of free NYMag articles for the month. Did somebody with NYMag speak to him on the record? I ask not because your writing wasn't clear, but rather because I wanted to emphasize that "Trump's in on it" does not appear in his 'suicide' Substack column. His only mention of Trump is when he says, "Clinton is with Bush, Gore is with Bush, Trump is with Hillary, and so on..."
NYMag provided an update by a Times reporter who said:
Mr. Azzarello said he had planned to protest at Washington Square Park near New York University but thought that with the cold weather, more people would be outside the courthouse.
“Trump’s in on it,” Mr. Azzarello said on Thursday. “It’s a secret kleptocracy, and it can only lead to an apocalyptic fascist coup.” …
Chuck: Go to Chrome's Store and install the Archive Page app which lets you into all internet posts.
Yancey Ward: Are people seriously trying to claim this was a Trump supporter?
Chuck checked it out, but can't find a way. Gadfly is hopeful. Tea Bag Hag is certain.
If this unfortunate lunatic were to have said or written something, anything at all, at any time, which could be construed either in support of or against Trump, it would no doubt lend credence to the proposition that Trump is very bad, and evil, and his supporters are lunatics, or evil, or uncaring.
That's how it works.
I’m a disappointed that Althouse feels the need to stifle / censor conversation when it comes to Ginni Thomas and her involvement in Qanon conspiracies. This is an appropriate topic as it relates to this post.
There was a horrific overhead view of the self-immolation. There was a charred stick figure they kept trying to put out. God knows what he doused himself with for it to keep reigniting. And then the stick figure started moving - oh, no, he's not dead yet. He just kept starting on fire. So sad.
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