February 4, 2024

"I, thank God, had no idea what that meant, so I said to him, 'What are you talking about? I’m coming back on Wednesday.' Literally, it was an honest answer. I had no idea what he’s talking about."

Said E. Jean Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, reflecting on Trump's saying "See you next Tuesday."

Quoted in "E Jean Carroll lawyer says Trump used coded version of C-word against her/Roberta Kaplan says ex-president directed ‘See you next Tuesday’ remark at her after deposition in unrelated case at Mar-a-Lago" (The Guardian).

According to Wikipedia:

See you next Tuesday (C U next Tuesday) is a common euphemistic backronym for the word "cunt".....

I've always associated it with Stanley Kubrick. It's surprisingly hard to find references to that on the web, but there's this from Roger Ebert: "John Landis... includes the dialog 'See you next Tuesday' in every one of his films, after first hearing it in Kubrick's '2001.'"

Is Trump really going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him? How much speaking in code is going on out there? You risk seeming nutty if you make assertions that you've been spoken to in code. When is it worth speaking in code? When you're luring someone into seeming nutty by accusing you of speaking in code? When you know the code will be understood and you want to get your message out? But here's Kaplan asserting that she "had no idea what that meant" — flaunting her innocence of Trump's scurrilous rhetoric. Did Trump deliberately elicit that performance? So complex. So inane. What would Elvis do?

71 comments:

Quaestor said...

Is Tuesday a court day?

Meade said...

“What would Elvis do?“

Elvis = Jesus = Trump. I get it.

n.n said...

Liberal euphemisms conceived in the age of progress.

tim maguire said...

I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today.

boatbuilder said...

Sounds like at least another $50 Million in damages.

Not allowed to say anything bad to or about the person who falsely accused you of rape.

narciso said...

naw she's not psycho, keep the rabbits sade,

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

Often people who always hear dog whistles are the dogs.

n.n said...

The diverse "burdens"... uh, burdens, of friendship with "benefits", and bennies, without consequence. #HerToo in generation #MeToo.

Leland said...

Is there any evidence beyond the lawyer's hearsay? And to get to that, you have to believe he actually said those wors, those words were directed to her, she really didn't know what it meant, she had to look it up, and she accepted a very negative connotation to what it meant. That's quite a bit of things working out to make Trump look bad. With the help of her former mentor, she just won several million dollars for herself and her client. She seems to have a lot of incentive to suggest Trump is now making sexually explicit remarks to her.

Aggie said...

I'd sit a little further away from Carroll, if I were her.

Ice Nine said...

>Is Trump really going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him?<

Is Althouse really going that far out of her way to translate a simple, well-deserved insult (if it actually even happened) into the absurd notion that Trump might have been trying to get these despicable "See you next Tuesdays" to talk dirty to him?

Jupiter said...

"Is Trump really going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him?"

I think you've gotten hold of the wrong end of that one. "See you next Tuesday" is not an attempt to get Kaplan to talk dirty to him. It is mere synecdoche. So, the interesting question, to me, at least, is whether he took quiet satisfaction in calling a spade a spade, so to speak, or whether he felt confident that someone would eventually explain it to her. I guess he might have been happy either way.

The question you might find more interesting, given your obsessions, is whether it is "misogyny". Of course, it must be, right? How could it be anything but rank hatred for womankind to refer to a woman using a crude slang term for her genitals? It would be like calling a man a "dick"! Even Hitler never did that, and he was a major asshole.

rhhardin said...

Once sort of in charge of a new system, I was asked what would be a good name for a file containing network terminal parameters. NTPARM I suggested.

A day later the guy returned: once installed in its Control User ID, it had the name CUNTPARM, which was probably not going to be acceptable in the telephone company.

That's more in the droll category than the code category.

Mike Hunt is the radio call-in prank. Carly Shimkus famously fell for it on Imus.

None of it is about getting women to talk dirty. It's a joke. There's a surprise, and it's naughty, and it's clever. That's a full joke motivation.

reader said...

C U next Tuesday has been around for years. I irritated my sister last week by text and that was the response I received. I personally have no problem with the word…or pu$$y. If you can call a man a d!ck, an a$$hole, or a peckerhe@d (popular in our family among the men) why can’t women/men be called by female body parts. Other than women being too sensitive whiny babies.

If the answer is some women just don’t like it, well I’m sure there are men who don’t want to be called a d!ck.

We need to go back to sticks and stones…

Kate said...

I hadn't heard of "backronym" so I clicked through. Wikipedia lists "posh" as a false backronym. It doesn't derive from port-out/starboard-home, they say, without ever mentioning the fabulous song in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang that may have originated the whole idea.

rehajm said...

Is Trump really going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him?

I see a disconnect- If it is a euphemism and he used it in that context he's underhandedly calling the lawyer woman a cunt, isn't he? Where does this going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him idea come from?

readering said...

Ebert confused. For Landis the line, next Wednesday.

Was DJT actually going to be seeing her the following Tuesday? If not . . . .

rehajm said...

In Las Vegas I was climbing the steps outside the meeting room when a woman walked over and asked Do you have the time? "It's five to nine..." I said. I'll let you decide if I knew what it meant...

JK Brown said...

Living in a middle school world
Run by women who stunted as middle school girls.

reader said...

Thinking about it my sister called me a d!ck last week too.

loudogblog said...

" It's surprisingly hard to find references to that on the web, but there's this from Roger Ebert: "John Landis... includes the dialog 'See you next Tuesday' in every one of his films, after first hearing it in Kubrick's '2001.'" "

That's not correct. Roger Ebert is wrong. The line in 2001 was, "See you next Wednesday." It's the last line spoken by Frank Poole's father. Landis uses "See you next Wednesday" in all of his movies, not "See you next Tuesday."

rehajm said...

Not to sound like rhhardin but this is a story targeting women. If it is true I like Trump more if he said it and meant what they say it means. If there isn't a special place in Hell for lawyers who engage in lawfare there's a problem with Hell...

Michael S said...

My understanding is that Landis used the 'See You Next Wednesday' meme in many of his films, not Tuesday. Ebert may have been mistaken.

readering said...

It was also next Wednesday in 2001, following happy birthday Frank.

Joe Biden Is Corrupt said...

Lawsuit #3?
In our ridiculous banana republic?

E Jean wins 457 million... goes on Maddow and promises Rachel a new castle!

Yancey Ward said...

I have used that phrase at least a dozen times in my life during which I was unaware that it was a euphemism for "cunt".

In Kaplan's case, though, it is probably appropriate even if I doubt Trump was aware of this usage.

Iman said...

EJean and her lawyers can fuck right off.

DanTheMan said...

She reminds me of the old lady who called the police on the local boys...
"They're outside whistling dirty songs!"

Bonkti said...

What's the frequency, Roberta?

n.n said...

Forever green? Perhaps. Some adults mature slower in modern conventions.

Crazy with benefits? Like a fox, in a Pussy Hat, doing the Slut Walk, on a political slope, in the midst of climates change... chaos.

Narr said...

Elvis would rock her around the clock IYKWIMAITYD.

I'm not an expert on Elvis, though I played one at work.

Jersey Fled said...

I’ve been on this Earth more than 70 years, and I’ve never heard that euphemism.

A normal person would just assume Trump mistook the date of the hearing. But a wokester, well, you find what you look for.

R C Belaire said...

Hahahahaha. Trump - the gift that keeps on giving. From high school to presidential politics.

Jersey Fled said...

I’ve been on this Earth more than 70 years, and I’ve never heard that euphemism.

A normal person would just assume Trump mistook the date of the hearing. But a wokester, well, you find what you look for.

typingtalker said...

Sort of like cursing at someone in a foreign language -- makes the curser happy and confuses the cursee,

Pointless really.

Jamie said...

As Erma Bombeck described one of her kids saying about another on a road trip, "He's humming so no one can hear it but me!"

It doesn't mean it's definitely not happening, but boy are you sensitive. The c-word gets thrown around at all and sundry forty times an episode in The Boys.

I didn't notice - did this get "civility bs"?

stutefish said...

Assuming it even happened in the first place.

walter said...

She's well beyond the risk of seeming nutty.

gadfly said...

What would Elvis do?

Trump asks on Truth Social if he looks like Elvis, so your question has some interesting twists. On April 4, 1968 Martin Luther King was murdered in Memphis, "2001: A Space Odyssey" was released in California theaters and Elvis spent the day as he had most of the Sixties: wasting his talents on a Hollywood film set, the contractual prisoner of manager Colonel Tom Parker’s artless pursuit of the fast buck by whatever cheap and cheerless celluloid atrocities necessary.

It wasn’t until that evening when he returned to the new Beverly Hills mansion he’d bought for his wife Priscilla and baby Lisa Marie that Elvis first heard about the assassination on TV. Immediately he rang Graceland to find out what had happened in the Tennessee city that once honored him with its own “Elvis Presley Day”, his dad updating him on the Memphis mayor’s emergency curfew imposed to stop riots which that night erupted across urban America.

So the answer is: Elvis didn't pay attention to the "2001" movie or recognize the obscure meaning inside the phrase "See you next Tuesday." That means that Elvis and Roberta Kaplin probably never ever heard of the hidden insult. And if Trump somehow latched onto the phrase, he certainly would use it as an insult for which he could not be fined.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

So says E. Jean Carroll's attorney, Roberta Kaplan. Any attorney that would have Carroll as a client is a nutty as Carroll. And as honest. We can take Kaplan's word to the bank and receive an $83 million loan. Guaranteed.

re Pete said...

"Uttering idle words from a reprobate mind"

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

What did the other men Jean Carrol accused do?

Oligonicella said...

rehajm:
Where does this going that far out of his way to get women to talk dirty to him idea come from?

Church Lady: "Could it be... feminism?"

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

In 17th c. English music there's a form called a "catch," basically the same thing as a round. Some of them are extremely ribald. A lot of these use hockets -- a device where rests in one line of the catch allow text from other lines to "bleed through," creating naughty meanings where the text as read straight through is about some innocent thing like a man tailoring a coat for a woman, or a girl having a harpsichord lesson. So in the first case the succession of "hidden" meanings might be "Pull it out!," "Nine inches!," "Yet all too short." Or in the second case, the teacher says "'Tis a long prick," and the girl replies "Then I will shake it." (A "prick" is among other things any kind of musical ornament, and a "shake" is specifically a trill.) Both those examples come from Henry Purcell.

Anyway, one collection of catches contains an especially inventive one. The text is something utterly trivial about eating breakfast or some such, but the four successive lines of the catch end respectively with the words "see," "you," "end," and "tea." So every so often, out of the texture pops "see-you-end-tea" in a graceful downward arpeggio.

The word has been around a long time. Someone once pointed out to me the bit of dialogue from Hamlet where Hamlet says to Ophelia, "Lady, may I lie in your lap," and to her horrified "No, my lord!" amends "I mean, my head on your lap," and she replies "Yes, my lord." To which Hamlet then asks, "Did you think I meant country matters?"

But Shakespeare is inexhaustible on these subjects. As it says in one of the comedies, I forget which, "The bawdy hand of the dial is at the prick of noon."

Joe Biden Is Corrupt said...

what happens in life when we actually have an appointment with someone on a Tuesday?

MadisonMan said...

Well, if the lawyer said it happened, it must be true I suppose.

rehajm said...

Is this post one of those ‘find the mistakes’ puzzles like from the kiddie magazines when I was a kid? Dynamite!

Václav Patrik Šulik said...

Does the article mention Shakespeare?

Hamlet Act 3, Scene 2

and Twelfth Night: Act 2, Scene 5 ("By my life, this is my lady's hand these be her very C's, her U's and [N] her T's and thus makes she her great P's.")

More here.

n.n said...

No evidence of rape, a verdict of inferred assault, a plaintiff notorious for her liberalese, and a multimillion dollar redistribution for the lawyer to pursue in a politically profitable case. Through the looking glass.

richlb said...

Landis - it's SEE YOU NEXT WEDNESDAY!!!

rhhardin said...

There's Robert Frost, The Need of Being Versed in Country Things, which specifically human cunt and sperm the poem is about.

Lucien said...

When was the last time someone took the high road and just laughed off a slight “Oh that Donald, such a scamp”?

You can’t really litigate for more than an afternoon without being called names, so no point in having a thin skin.

rhhardin said...

The versatility of "cunt" as a reference to a woman is a role it's grown to fill the range of.

My favorite performance being Barthelme's Snow White

Gospace said...

Jersey Fled said...
I’ve been on this Earth more than 70 years, and I’ve never heard that euphemism.


68 years here and until this post neither had I. That includes 21 years active duty in the Navy. So, if a sailor has never heard of or used a dirty acronym, does it really exist???

My guess is that by now Trump and his lawyers are well familiar with the term BOHICA, because judges allow misjustice to keep happening.

Butkus51 said...

said it a couple of times to a customer or two

made me feel like i won

was nothing personal

Howard said...

Only a cunt calls a woman a cunt. What does one expect from a right cunt sporting a button mushroom covered by belly blubber with bone spurs?

gadfly said...

Mike of Snoqualmie said...
So says E. Jean Carroll's attorney, Roberta Kaplan. Any attorney that would have Carroll as a client is as nutty as Carroll. And as honest. We can take Kaplan's word to the bank and receive an $83 million loan. Guaranteed.

Kaplan and Carroll, the honest plaintiffs in the trial, "whupped up" on Dumbshit Don as best that I can discern to the tune of $90 million. So keep your eye out for the $400 mil that Tish James will extract from TFG before the month is over. Ka-Ching!

Bonkti said...

"The bawdy hand of the dial is at the prick of noon."

That's Mercutio dissing the Nurse in Hamlet II.iv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VMaGjYuFHXE&pp=ygUOTWVyY3V0aW8gbnVyc2U%3D

Bunkypotatohead said...

He should have just called her a cunt so there would be no confusion about the matter.

effinayright said...

rhhardin said...
There's Robert Frost, The Need of Being Versed in Country Things, which specifically human cunt and sperm the poem is about.
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Man, that's some unspeakably dirty shit, right there!

effinayright said...

rhhardin said...
There's Robert Frost, The Need of Being Versed in Country Things, which specifically human cunt and sperm the poem is about.
****************

Man, that's some unspeakably dirty shit, right there!

wendybar said...
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wendybar said...

The truth hurts.

wendybar said...

Kaplan and Carroll, the honest plaintiffs in the trial, "whupped up" on Dumbshit Don as best that I can discern to the tune of $90 million. So keep your eye out for the $400 mil that Tish James will extract from TFG before the month is over. Ka-Ching!

2/4/24, 9:13 PM

Gad, you are so gullible, you probably think Biden is the Best President ever.

Leland said...

If it was Biden, the initial assumption would be his degraded mental capabilities had him confused by the day of the week. But it is Trump, so the assumption is third dimensional playground insulting.

Iman said...

“If there isn't a special place in Hell for lawyers who engage in lawfare there's a problem with Hell...”

Your lips to God’s ear! Well said.

Iman said...
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Mike of Snoqualmie said...

gadfly:

Kaplan and Carroll, the honest plaintiffs in the trial, "whupped up" on Dumbshit Don as best that I can discern to the tune of $90 million. So keep your eye out for the $400 mil that Tish James will extract from TFG before the month is over. Ka-Ching!

Honest plaintiffs?! Do you know any other good jokes? There's nothing honest about Carroll. She's another Christy Blase-Ford. Will say anything to get a buck out of Trump, including taking an episode of Law & Order: SVU and saying it happened to her. Of course, she doesn't even know the year, let alone the actual date. She didn't file a police report. She didn't tell anyone about it. Suddenly, when Trump is/was President, she gets a brain fart, and starts screaming "Rape, Rape!, the Donald Raped me sometime in the 1990s, or was it the 1980s?"

The only reason she can sue is because the NY legislature changed the statue of limitations on sexual crimes. For one year only. Just very convenient for Blue-rocks Carrol.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

As for Tish "I'm going to throw the Donald in Rikers" James, she couldn't do that, so she brought a specious case against Trump with a Trump-hating judge where there was no injury to anyone, except Tishie's ego. Overturned on appeal.

Jupiter said...

"He should have just called her a cunt so there would be no confusion about the matter."

That would have been rude. I am reminded, that a gentleman is a man who is never unintentionally rude.

mikee said...

I knew my failure to take up crosswords, anagrams, palindromes and other wordplay would eventually lead me to finding something like this story very unimportant. Yet I find substitution codes completely sensible.