"Judge Lewis A. Kaplan, who had sparred all morning with Mr. Trump’s lawyer, Alina Habba, over her objections to Ms. Carroll’s testimony, appeared to be losing his patience. 'Mr. Trump has a right to be present here,' Judge Kaplan said. 'That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me, and if he disregards court orders.' He then addressed the former president directly. 'Mr. Trump, I hope I don’t have to consider excluding you from the trial,' he said. Mr. Trump, who had spent most of the morning shaking his head during Ms. Carroll’s testimony, threw up his hands. 'I would love it,' he said."
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"Judge Threatens to Eject Trump From Carroll Trial After His Complaints/The former president’s right to be at his defamation trial 'can be forfeited,' the judge warned. E. Jean Carroll is seeking $10 million in damages for his denials that he sexually assaulted her" (NYT).
"I would love it"! Sarcastic? Or he's basically saying: Exclude me and you will be reinforcing my idea that I'm being persecuted. The people will see it as a witch hunt. A con job.
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At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court? If I (or you) acted like that in court, I would expect to be cooling my heels in a cell for contempt.
Shouldn't the judge be calling him "President Trump"? Or at least "President Emeritus Trump"? instead of Mr Trump?
Maybe they can do like the Chicago 7 in 68 where Bobby Seale of the defendants was chained to a chair and had a gag over his face.
Seale was black. A demmie judge would never do that to a white man. Not even PEDJT.
John Henry
Most defendants who have been railroaded on multiple fronts cannot speak out. Trump can and does! Good for him.
'Mr.'Trump? I though ex-Presidents are always referred to by their title. Where's Miss Manners when you need her to testify?
Fuck these lefties!
Trump should show zero respect to the kangaroo court(s). He should continue embarrassing Roland Freisler judges like Kaplan, Chutkan, and Engoron. This woman can't even say what year Trump allegedly assaulted her and Kaplan didn't immediately dismiss the original case? The best she can do is it was the first half of the 1990s? Or maybe it was the second half. Maybe it was right in the middle. Who knows? What a joke.
'Mr. Trump has a right to be present here,' Judge Kaplan said. 'That right can be forfeited and it can be forfeited if he is disruptive, which is what has been reported to me...
How disruptive has he really been, if the judge needs to have it reported to him? I mean- if the judge can't see it himself, it can't be much of a deal.
Theatrical performance for his base.
Did this poor victim wait as long as Christine Beasley Ford to tell us all about her defamation? The mid-1990s are a generation ago so who, besides the people who bought her book, knew about her reputation or whether any comment by a then TV star about her was actually disparaging?
"I would love it"! Sarcastic? Or he's basically saying: Exclude me and you will be reinforcing my idea that I'm being persecuted. The people will see it as a witch hunt. A con job.
I think he's saying that later.
And he's right.
But then again, we all know it's a bullshit con job
Judge is angry Trump puts on a show at the show trial.
I don’t care if the makes J. Fred Mugs rich, he is exposing these assholes at their big moment.
You, sir, stand accused of being a witch... a warlock, whatever. How do you plead? Never mind, take a knee, beg, and affix your mask. We live in interesting times.
If you do not file charges when or close to when something occurs like this then it did not happen. Sorry, it allowing these charges is just a travesty of due process. No date, no witness, no evidence, nothing. But somehow it is allowed to be tried. Ridiculous.
But then again, we all know it's a bullshit con job
Maybe we all know but the bitter clingers that went all in on their psy ops now have no where to go…
she accused him of rape.. But wouldn't Even say what decade this "rape" took place..
a jury found that her charge was full of sh*t, and threw it out..
So Trump was found GUILTY of something that he was found NOT guilty of..
So Trump complained..
So they are trying Trump again.. And announced that Trump COULD NOT contest his guilt..
So Trump complained.. AGAIN.. So the judge has decided to try Trump in absentia..
Do i have that about right?
Hard to believe that SOME PEOPLE Might think he's being railroaded!
The trial is lunacy and discredits the justice system. Who can take it seriously?
Fredrick said...
Did this poor victim wait as long as Christine Beasley Ford to tell us all about her defamation?
Who KNOWS? she WON'T SAY What decade she is pretending this happened..
@Freder: At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?
How much respect does a court deserve that found Trump guilty of sexual assault in the absence of any corroborating evidence, long after any sensible statue of limitations, and without a specific year, never mind date or time?
Of all the horseshit cases thrown at Trump this one is the horseshitiest.
Rotwang's Cabana Boy writes, "At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?"
When "the court" is actually respectable should be just about right. Judging by his behavior so far, Judge Lewis A. Kaplan deserves only a little more respect than Judge Karl Roland Freisler.
Well. Isn't it?
If he hasn't been convicted to the assault, how can he be tried to denying he committed it?
Big $$$ payout coming, guaranteed!Keeps it up they may lay a Guiliani on him!
If you asked him, I suppose Trump could say that he interpreted "excluding you from the trial" to mean dismissing the case against him. That's what he would "love".
Freder asked: "At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?"
Made me laugh. Respect for this court? C'mon man we already know the outcome as does President Trump.
A crime that was not reported. No evidence to support her claim of either assault, let alone of rape... rape-rape.
Trump is a witch... a warlock, a probable "burden"... uh, burden, and once a baby. Take a knee, beg, bray for indulgence... or not. #MaskOn
Trump would love to have his supporters think he is a "victim". It's what gives his campaign a lift. What they don't say is that he is like a mouthy 5 year old, who refuses to shut up when told to. I feel his supporters have taken leave of their senses and are pledging their support for an overgrown child who accomplished very little during his time in office, even with a Republican controlled senate and (for a time) a Republican controlled house. What a waste of energy. Let's get someone in there, from either party, who will not behave like a babbling baby with a vindictive streak. I'm open.
Vicki From Pasadena
It's a shame the jurors overheard that. Until that moment, they would have never known his thoughts on the matter. He's been so reticent throughout.
I don’t think anti-Trumpers comprehend that there are people (how many? who knows?) who don’t really want Trump to be President, but who are going to vote for him because they are pissed off with the way that “Biden”(or really the anti-Trump “deep state” which is fundamentally pro-Biden) is using the levers of government power to achieve their electoral objective of a Trump loss. I think Newt Gingrich has an article pointing out the similarities between the abuses of power today and the abuses of power in Watergate era.
'If you don't admit your guilt, we're going to have to gag you.'
Field Marshall Freder: "At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?"
LOL
Your New Soviet Democratical "courts" deserve every bit of the "respect" given to the Soviet courts of old.
And not an iota more.
He’s embarrassing them during their sham…
E Jean Carroll is a fraud.
---This is how you rein in the Deep State, where power resides in the bureaucratic fiefdoms of Washington DC, beyond the reach of electoral accountability.
Also by cutting their budgets 50-100% and relocating them to Wyoming, North Dakota, and Chicken, Alaska. President Vivek would have done this. And when he was done with the SEC....
The Courts have gone out of their way to show no respect for the former President. Respect is earned and not a right. Yes, there is some truth to we should respect the institution of the Court itself. However, that is true for the Presidency as well. Just about every institution has become corrupt and many voters have lost respect for almost all of them, especially the media. The left started this play, but they may not like the final act.
This is extortion of $10 million, using the justice system. The judge knows it. So do Carroll's lawyers.
The incident never happened. The point is to allow the corrupt media to regurgitate the fake results. American voters can see it for what it is. Trump knows it. The judge knows it.
Anybody from flyover country ever want to face a NY judge and jury pool?
On second thought, Kaplan is even less deserving of respect than Roland Freisler. At least a few of the men Freisler condemned to death truly did conspire to kill Hitler. I'm inclined to believe every case ever adjudicated in Kaplan's court merits review by a panel of Republican-endorsed judges, the only sort who aren't absolutely corrupt or barking mad.
How disruptive has he really been, if the judge needs to have it reported to him?
That's the point that surprised me. I sort of agree with Freder that respect should be given to the court and vice versa to the former President. However, if the Judge doesn't have first hand knowledge of Trump being disruptive in court, then what is the grounds of excluding Trump on the basis of him being disruptive? Con job.
There’s a reason we had a statute of limitations. How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial after 25-30 years have gone by? This is a farce.
The trial is part of the campaign.
If the judge didn’t want to be part of the campaign, the judge should have tossed the suit.
Stupid is as stupid does. The judge enjoys playing a character. The judge is an underling.
Trump: "You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order!"
Trump’s TV lawyer Alina Habba appeared to be having some issues in a real courtroom. Appears to me Habba knows a ton about political theater and an ounce about the law. And Trump was on full Reality TV, complete with provocation and antics.
At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?
Respect is earned. At no point has this court/judge earned it. He deserves far worse than what Trump is doing.
If I (or you) acted like that in court, I would expect to be cooling my heels in a cell for contempt.
Well, here's hoping you get a bunch of horseshit charges thrown at you so we can see how you respond.
"At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?"
The beatings will continue until..you, you know the thing!
She's the terror of Colorado Boulevard
there are people [...] who don’t really want Trump to be President, but who are going to vote for him because they are pissed off with the way that “Biden”(or really the anti-Trump “deep state” which is fundamentally pro-Biden) is using the levers of government power to achieve their electoral objective of a Trump loss.
This describes my husband and me to a T.
Yes, there is some truth to we should respect the institution of the Court itself.
Trump is there. He is appropriately dressed. He has observed all dates, deadlines, and procedures. He is represented by counsel and is not trying to render the proceedings utterly ridiculous by representing himself. His "disruption" was so subtle that the judge had to be told it was happening - if it happened.
That's plenty of respect for the judicial process, it seems to me.
My request is for the other trial lawyers who are commenters here, to weigh in on this point...
Behavior like Trump's (as was universally described by courtroom observers today) is nearly unheard of in U.S. District Courts, and would well be expected by any experienced practitioner to result in corrective action by the trial judge. In a word, this is borderline psycho behavior by Defendant Trump. Particularly the taunt, "I would love it." If Trump wants to say something in this court, he needs to appear as a witness in his own case in chief. Which he never did in the previous trial involving the same parties.
Althouse have you ever tried a case in a federal court? How about in state court?
Interested Bystander said...
There’s a reason we had a statute of limitations. How is Trump supposed to get a fair trial after 25-30 years have gone by? This is a farce.
The cause of action is defamation, which has occurred in whole or in part within the last 12 months.
Trump isn't being charged criminally for his long-ago sexual abuses of the Plaintiff.
Jim at said...
"Well, here's hoping you get a bunch of horseshit charges thrown at you so we can see how you respond.'
Its happened to me- I got a competent attorney to represent me and I kept my mouth shut, neither of which Trump has done. Case dismissed!
However, if the Judge doesn't have first hand knowledge of Trump being disruptive in court, then what is the grounds of excluding Trump on the basis of him being disruptive?
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would that be judge admitting/accepting hearsay etc as conclusive?
Trump: "You're out of order! You're out of order! The whole trial is out of order! They're out of order!"
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patently ridiculpous = world can all see the nicely orderly Lawfare Conga Line mooning decent Americans
The transcript that E. Jean Carroll did with Anderson Cooper is really interesting. If I was his attorney, I would have fought like hell to get this transcript -- or the video itself -- admitted into evidence.
Among other things, she says, I think most people think of rape as being sexy. And that's when Cooper immediately cuts to a commercial.
She also is offended by the idea that Trump would not want to have sex with her. I was probably the most attractive woman in Bergdorf at that time.
And she says that because the store is empty, apparently.
And so we went up the escalator. He we went to the lingerie department. It was empty. There was nobody there. There was nobody on the whole floor, frankly.
Fantasy, fantasy, fantasy.
What it sounds like is a Penthouse Forum letter that's been updated by the "me too" movement into a gold-digging lawsuit.
She called up her friends, bragging about her quickie in Bergdorf's, laughing about it. Who laughs about a rape? To this day, she doesn't call it a rape.
I don't know if she had a quickie with Trump, and was bragging to her friends. Or if she made up the whole thing, and was bragging to her friends.
And the number of positive comments she has about Trump is mind-boggling.
CARROLL: '95, '96, he was Shakespearean. He was great. You'd love to see him on the street.
So when we met in Bergdorf's and he said, help me, advise me to find a present, I was -- I was thrilled. I thought this is hilarious.
It was just like we're going to do this thing, we're just so hot for each other.
It showed him very manly, he takes what he wants, he's rich enough to have any woman, play -- you know, beautiful Playboy playmates, porn stars, and he's so rich he can pay them off. He can have any woman he wants.
What I'd also like to know -- I didn't follow the trial at all -- is how much her testimony in court sounded like her interview with Cooper. Is it radically different? Then she was coached on what to say and what not to say.
If the attack on Clarence Thomas was a "high-tech lynching," this is a "high-tech robbery." Using the justice system to steal millions of dollars.
If you've ever wondered why a woman would lie about rape, well, to steal millions of dollars is a reason.
Freder Frederson said...
At what point will you admit that Trump needs to show some respect to the court?
No kangaroo court, or judge running such a "court", is ever due the slightest shred of respect.
If you chose to burn the system down by corrupting the justice system to go after you political enemies, do not expect us to pretend that the skin suit you're wearing is real.
as long as we definitely don't acknowledge a legitimate interest in maintaining order in the court, everything will work out fine (for him)
Witness said...
as long as we definitely don't acknowledge a legitimate interest in maintaining order in the court, everything will work out fine (for him)
So long as they're running a corrupt kangaroo court, and that's what's happening here, they have NO legitimate interests of any sort
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