Here's the relevant "Sopranos" clip:beautiful sentiment, beautifully expressed. very like Tony Soprano's chosen resting-place for much-loved Richie: "....in a woods by a babbling brook." https://t.co/WQbFMVEWTN
— Joyce Carol Oates (@JoyceCarolOates) January 11, 2024
January 11, 2024
Joyce Carol Oates casts aspersions on Donald Trump's visualization of his mother-in-law in Heaven.
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There's no wrong way to grieve, Olive Oil...except maybe stuck in a courtroom because totalitarians have an election schedule to keep.
Oates, as usual, sounds like a sour...er...uh...can't say it here. Jeez. Even if you have TDS, at least show some class and respect for others who are not Trump.
Love The Sopranos clip.
I am so sad!!
Words cannot express!!!
Perfect projection.
I always thought that was one of Gandolfini's best scenes in that show. It's a pity that nasty old cunt's trying to ruin it.
Of course, at least i can take solace in the fact that no one will give a tinker's damn when Oates finally drops dead.
Joyce Carol Oates seems awful.
"Oates, as usual, sounds like a sour...er...uh...can't say it here.'
A cat in a hat? A front hole... whore? An object of feminine gender? The social inclusion complex has many judgments and labels to leverage her? burden.
WELL if Carol Joyce Oats is against Trump.. I guess i'm FOR him
WOW! I finally understand what my Dad was telling me!
"Never pass up the opportunity to keep your mouth shut."
Parents told me when I was kid, that going to wakes were what civilized people did. You are not there to say the right thing. Just to be there, and support, and listen. Share a brief, positive memory, or simply say 'sorry for your loss'.
But NOBODY wants your take on the situation. No claims of knowing what they feel like, because nobody does.
Chase your dinosaur babe, i remember when she wrote an apologia for weathermen terrorists
Casting aspersions. Sort of like casting bread upon waters. Except it isn't bread and water, it is nastiness and social media. So not exactly similar. More like just nasty, in fact.
There is always somebody willing to take a funeral, a wedding, any family event, and turn it into their own stage upon which to strut and scream. Usually it is a crazy Aunt or druggy cousin. Here it is Oates. Remember to disinvite her to the family 4th of July this year.
What an ugly bitch. Both inside and out.
"Ohhh mares eat oats and goats eat oats,
And little lambs eat ivy,
I kid'll eat ivy too,
wouldn't you?"?
Better use of oats.
Melania’s mom is the same age as Trump.
"bitch"... la cabrona h/t J Lo.
If you are going to keep your place in the elite, you have to do them a service from time to time. Remember that scene in The Godfather? I once read in a history of Hemingway that there were threats of bad reviews if he continued to tell the truth about communism the way he did in For Whom the Bell Tolls. Castro used that book as a blueprint for the Cuban revolution, so I guess all was forgiven, but Oates does not want to lose her perch in the literary pantheon.
As if I needed a reminder never to read anything by JCO.
Joyce Carol Oates, inspired by Trump, authors mean tweet.
IIRC, even among killers, Richie was a monster. He was using Janice as part of a power play against Tony. Janice was happy to be used until Richie hurt her, then she killed Ritchie, shot him in their kitchen then ran to Tony for help. Tony covered up her crime and disposed of the body. Tony wasn't the bad guy in that scenario.
Who would have thought that Joyce Carol Oates would compare so seamlessly with the Westboro Baptist Church, funeral protestors extraordinaire? Does she hate fags, too?
Just pray that Dementia Hitler doesn’t end up in the salsiccia!
This is almost as good as when she condemned Steven Spielberg for killing that triceratops.
Joyce needs to take down that tweet. And bury it. On a hill. Overlooking a little river. With pine cones all around.
Tinker's dam . . . I went down a rabbit hole once on that phrase. A dam was the piece of solder a tinker used to repair a pot. It worked, but the pot was never as reliable.
I don't think Trump is in deep mourning, but it was his attempt to make note of her passing and say the right thing. His remark came from a decent instinct. Not so much with Oates.....But if Trump should win, that's the way it will go for the next four years. The most creative and imaginative people in America will think of creative and imaginative ways to insult him. It's very irritating the way they're so relentless in their disparagement.
Isn't Oates Canadian? She needs to keep an eye on her own front porch.
Never having watched the Sopranos, I don't see the snark.
Melania’s mom is the same age as Trump.
That is, younger than Biden.
Some day some one will gather many of DJT's beautiful statements, beautifully expressed for publication. Joyce Carol Oates to write a commentary alongside, or just a preface? I'd buy it either way. But she's 85.
"on a hill overlooking a little river, with pine cones all around"
And that's true if you imagine Satriale's meat grinder as the hill, Richie's sluiced blood as the little river, and the surrounding miscellaneous waste pig offal as the pine cones, all in some NJ landfill.
The left has no decency.
A man ,who has the opportunity, is paying public tribute to his dead mother in law. A woman you nor I even knew existed. If you can't give him this moment what can you expect when your moment of grief arrives. As it will.
I just rewatched the entire Sopranos over a few weeks. First time I'd watched it, other than clips, since I saw it on HBO originally. I think I enjoyed it even more the second time. I certainly noticed a lot of things I did not remember.
I second what someone said about Tony not being the bad guy in Richie's death and disposal.
But re the line about what he did with the body, I saw that then and now as just a cliche. When the family dog is put down, the father tells the 9 year old son "We sent Tuffy to a farm out in the country where he has room to play and be with other dogs." Or, if the kid knows the dog is actually dead "We buried Tuffy on a hill overlooking the river." instead of telling him "we stuffed Tuffy in a garbage bag and left him along the side of the road."
Or like saying "Grandpa died peacefully in his sleep. It was the passengers who dies screaming in pain."
A bit of a white lie to Soften the blow.
John Henry
I don't see what that miserable cunt is babbling about. If one is a Christian, as our president emeritus is, then going to the beautiful place in the sky, Heaven, is not some cliche. It is a very real belief. It is a perfectly reasonable statement.
Albeit some variation of detail between denominations.
I got one of Oates' books with a book club in the 70s. Tried to read it, maybe got 10 pages in. I have never even thought about reading herr since.
John Henry
I liked Oates more with some Hall.
So, when is Joyce going to put out another anthology of H.P. Lovecraft's pulp fiction?
I wound up holding my father in disdain for the many things he did but I didn't go to the funeral for exactly this reason. I would not have been able to keep it completely to myself.
Good God, what a c**t.
Orange Man Bad.
Trump is so hated, I’m convinced he would be denied the last meal of his choice before being… taken care of.
This is why we celebrate when democrat party members die. I'm gonna cheer when this bulimic skank shits the bed. Oates is a typical lowlife no-class democrat party piece of shit.
re the line about what he did with the body, I saw that then and now as just a cliche
A cliche Tony deploys to mock his sister’s sentimentality, which makes it not just a cliche.
Three saddest words….
Oh, PoO (Person of Orange).
Michael, please tell us what you really think. No need to hold anything back.....
C U Next Tuesday Joyce…
The lefties hate Trump because he somehow compels them to expose their true selves. Israel seems to do the same.
It ain't pretty
"Never having watched the Sopranos, I don't see the snark."
It would be a big spoiler to say what Tony and Janice are talking about there, but it's very funny and awful if you know what happened. It's easy to read a plot summary. I'll just say Tony is being a sarcastic bastard. There's no love for the dead Richie.
Dripping with bile. As was Maureen Dowd's piece last weekend in the NYT. And pretty much every liberal Dem woman I know in Boulder. They would have you think that it's just that goddam Trump, but it's becoming obvious that Boomer feminists are generally deeply disturbed individuals, borderline at least. Do they live to hate, or hate to live?
Trump has previously indicated a belief in Heaven (and Hell).
Remember this: "'It’s the nicest thing that’s ever happened, thank you so much, John would be so thrilled, he’s looking down, he’d be so thrilled. Thank you so much, sir.' I said that’s okay, don’t worry about it. Maybe he’s looking up, I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe."
Michael Fitzgerald said...
"This is why we celebrate when democrat party members die. I'm gonna cheer when this bulimic skank shits the bed. Oates is a typical lowlife no-class democrat party piece of shit."
The only thing gestures like that do is humiliate yourself. It doesn't make one bit of difference to the dead. You win by virtue of just being alive. Let them be. March on.
Ann Althouse said...
"Trump has previously indicated a belief in Heaven (and Hell)."
Madeline Albright certainly believed in the latter.
Joyce Carol Oates je poceni kurba
Ozymandias speaks again. Look upon her words and despair. Clearly she doesn't even wish to appear respectful. That's real power.
Did Oates really just accuse Trump of murdering his mother in law?
What a vile pathetic creature.
"The three saddest words in the English language." (I'm surprised it hasn't been quoted already.)
I note for the record that several commenters here refer to Oates as a "cunt".
It seems the word still has proper and accurate uses.
Just another leftist flaunting her TDS, as if it were a badge of honor.
One more "important writer" I never read. But now I can check her name off that imaginary list of writers I feel bad for never having read. A little less to regret. Thanks.
It's really deplorable trying to score political points from a death in someone's family.
“Some day some one will gather many of DJT's beautiful statements, beautifully expressed for publication. Joyce Carol Oates to write a commentary alongside, or just a preface? I'd buy it either way. But she's 85.”
lol… yes, Oates is old… but you’re Readering.
So there’s dat.
Oates is one horrible person.
Get bent, bint.
Never been a fan of Joyce. I really dug the work her brother John did with Daryll Hall.
Pearl Clutching Rusty said...
The left has no decency.
A man ,who has the opportunity, is paying public tribute to his dead mother in law. A woman you nor I even knew existed. If you can't give him this moment what can you expect when your moment of grief arrives. As it will.
Oates illustrates the proposition that there's a hunger in some people to unleash cruelty in a way that they can morally justify. Trump gives them a chance to indulge their forbidden taste.
What a terrible tweet.
What a class act! /sarc
This is just a rumor, but it was a rumor I heard for years, from multiple people in the Creative Writing field, and they heard it independently of each other:
Supposedly Joyce Carol Oates would pick out the most physically attractive young woman in her Creative Writing workshop at Princeton and spend the entire semester just destroying that woman's work from every possible angle and in horribly belittling ways.
I was in a summer program and she guest-taught (not my workshop, though) for a week and then gave a reading, and for whatever reason a bunch of high school students also were brought in / showed up. A young girl asked a not-great question about Oates' "Where are you going, where have you been?" story and instead of just giving a noncommittal answer (or transforming a bad question into a good answer), Oates rather harshly criticized the girl for asking a "derivative" question.
When I briefly met her she didn't seem like a nice person.
The tweet is consistent with that view of her.
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