December 5, 2023

Why have anti-Trump Republicans chosen Nikki Haley as the one who should beat Trump?

I see, in the NYT, "Some Republicans Have a Blunt Message for Chris Christie: Drop Out/Several anti-Trump Republican donors and strategists are pushing Mr. Christie to end his presidential campaign and back Nikki Haley."

Obviously, it's getting late, and it doesn't seem as though anyone (other than Trump himself) can stop Trump from getting the nomination, but why this convergence on Haley? When I click on my "Nikki Haley" tag to see what I've found notable about her over the course of the campaign, I see nothing I like. She wanted to require everyone on social media to post under their real names. Her idea for the war against Hamas was, bluntly, "Finish them. Finish them." She called Vivek Ramaswamy "scum." He called her "Dick Cheney in 3-inch heels." And she's talked about her heels repeatedly. (She announced her candidacy with the statement: "I don’t put up with bullies. And when you kick back, it hurts them more if you’re wearing heels.")

Googling "Why is Nikki Haley the best choice to beat Trump," I got: "Senate anti-Trump GOP see Haley as best hope to avoid disaster." That was published yesterday in The Hill. The idea there is:
GOP senators who don’t support Trump acknowledge he could win the presidency, given President Biden’s weak job approval ratings, but they view Haley as much more electable because she does not alienate independent and suburban women voters like Trump does....  They... see Haley as a candidate far less likely to blindside them with wild statements or sudden sweeping policy pronouncements that would become political landmines in next year’s battle for the Senate majority.
Looking through what I've collected under my Nikki Haley tag, I'd say she's exactly the person who makes wild statements and sudden sweeping policy pronouncements that will become political landmines. 

The real reason for converging on Haley seems to be that Ron DeSantis flopped. It's just a matter of numbers:
“She has better prospects than [DeSantis] does because her numbers are going up and his are coming down. Usually, you want to place your bet on someone who is doing better,” said Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who has urged Republican donors to coalesce around an alternative to Trump as early as possible in next year’s primary.

I see "Betting odds show Haley now Trump’s top GOP challenger in 2024" (Las Vegas Review-Journal). 

Trump is the +138 favorite at London-based Betfair sportsbook to reclaim the presidency, and Biden is the 2-1 second choice. Haley is the +750 third pick to win the 2024 election.

A positive number represents how much you would profit on a $100 bet. In this case, a bettor would win $138 on a $100 bet on Trump to win the election.

Newsom is the 12-1 fourth choice, followed by Michelle Obama and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at 20-1. DeSantis is a distant 40-1 long shot along with Vice President Kamala Harris, followed by Vivek Ramaswamy at 50-1. 
Trump is the heavy -714 favorite to be the Republican nominee.... A negative number represents how much a person would need to bet to win $100. In this case, a bettor would have to wager $714 to win $100 on Trump to win the nomination.

All this talk of converging on Haley... it gives anti-Trump Republicans something to do in the interval before Trump locks up the nomination. But I suspect that if all the other candidates — not just Christie, the one the NYT is poking today, but all the other GOP candidates — dropped out and backed Haley, Trump could focus his attacks on her. And there's so much material! Especially on the subject of war and peace. Talk about "alienat[ing] independent and suburban women voters"!

But there's also the simple matter of accepting money:

97 comments:

rehajm said...

Yes. As I mentioned here she was an affable mayor when governor. Good at ribbon cuttings, kissing babies.

…I think part of the problem is woman running for high office. If you aren’t just another Hillary sociopath what does an American woman candidate look and act like? The big fear is to look and sound soft. Haley overshoots by a mile…

…the solution is to have taken an economics class or two and be Melania hot.

Enigma said...

The pro-establishment Republicans show their perpetual Achilles heel once again. Nominate a "safe" but visionless candidate that excites no one and that goes nowhere. Add Nikki to a very long list of play-it-safe, get-in-line limp losers. Bob Dole, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush, Ron DeSantis, Gerald Ford, etc. If not for luck and circumstances, add G.H.W. Bush and G.W. Bush to that list too.

"Snatching failure from the mouth of victory. It's what old school Republicans do."

Tank said...

She's the candidate most likely to keep the wars and money flowing to the elite and military industrial complex.

A nasty piece of work.

Joe Biden Is Corrupt said...

Haley is establishment.

That's why.

Shoeless Joe said...

"Why have anti-Trump Republicans chosen Nikki Haley as the one who should beat Trump? "

Because the anti-Trump Republicans (mostly Deep State RINOs) believe they can control Haley should she ever win the presidency. For all their strengths and weaknesses DeSantis, Trump, and Ramaswamy are independent of the DC insiders, and have their own ideas on how to govern.

I'm reminded of a quote from mob boss Johnny Caspar in the opening scene of "Miller's Crossing":

"It's gettin' so a businessman can't expect no return from a fixed fight. Now, if you can't trust a fix, what can you trust? For a good return, you gotta go bettin' on chance - and then you're back with anarchy, right back in the jungle."

Nikki Haley is the political equivalent of a fixed fight.

Dave Begley said...

Nikki is an old low taxes and big defense spending Republican of the Dick Cheney variety. That won’t work today. She has no new ideas. She’s a tool for the defense industry. Another Carley Fionra.

Vivek is the young ideas guy.

Rusty said...

I can shorten that up for you. It's because Haley will reliably deliver the graft.

rehajm said...

…and the money thing- history begins every election cycle I guess. Can we stop with the assumption money buys elections? No? If you count all the in kind from the media and the corporate virtue dollars and the third world bribe money and the taxpayer money Democrats used to beat Trump…how much dose that add up to- a trillion? They still had to cook the vote…

…A) candidates who attract money attract money because people support them and 2) elite donors have enough money to spread wealth to hedge their bets so rich donors is not equivalent to full support.

rehajm said...

Haley is establishment. That's why.

This is pretty much all need be said. You’re a gem whatever your moniker is today lady…

RideSpaceMountain said...

Brown sugar is my Nikki
She likes wars hot and sticky
Guns, bombs, and imperial thrusts
Loves the MIC
And sucks its nuts

- Nikki Haley Rama Lama Ding Dong

Humperdink said...

"She wanted to require everyone on social media to post under their real names." Says Nimarata Nikki Randhawa, aka Nikki Haley.

Breezy said...

I admired Haley when she was at the UN. She proved there that she can put up a tough fight for US interests. However, these days we need someone who will focus on re-empowering everyday Americans, aka the America First agenda. That’s mostly an economic agenda and I don’t believe that’s where Haley’s strengths lie.

rhhardin said...

Women vote for women. Policy isn't much of a consideration.

MadTownGuy said...

"Googling "Why is Nikki Haley the best choice to beat Trump," I got: "Senate anti-Trump GOP see Haley as best hope to avoid disaster."

By 'disaster,' the GOP anti-Trumpers mean: Trump's second term. Anti-Trumpers on the (D) side see her as 'Straw Candidate Part Deux.' No doubt there is oppo research on Nikki at hand already, in preparation for her presumptive candidacy.

MadTownGuy said...

That said, I'll still vote for her over any (D) candidate.

farmgirl said...

The goal is: no Trump.
Pit Trump against a woman in hopes that he offends.
That way, everyone on the fence will see the “true” Trump- the one portrayed by the media.

I’m voting Trump.

gilbar said...

because she is a bought and sold Whore for the GOPe. She is their Joe Biden
SUPPORT WORLD WAR!! SUPPORT WORLD GOVERNMENT!! SUPPORT NIKKI HALEY!! SUPPORT THE GOPe!!

Gunner said...

2 seconds after Haley won the nomination, all these Rinos would "remember" she worked for Trump so they gotta vote for Biden.

Tina Trent said...

The Kochs will mobilize a bunch of irrevocably uninformed seniors and Tea Partiers to support her to destroy their childrens' lives.

No different from the Democrats destroying cities and lives and families with their policies, but the hours are worse.

iowan2 said...

Rino's have coalesced behind Haley. But they really want no part of winning the majority and actually governing.

DeSantis is a much better executive. But he is a little scary, they are not sure he is controllable, and a little like Trump, DeSantis is a danger, smaller that Trump, but still a danger to all the grift centered in DC.

IF Republicans cared about the Nation, and cared about cleaning up DC, it is very easy.

All the candidates should right now, (2 months ago would have been better) drop out and get behind Trump. They should all talk about nothing but how corrupt the Justice Dept/Biden are using the full power of the Govt to jail their political opponents. Republicans in DC and States across the Nation should have a single campaign focus. Washingtin DC corruption, through lots of the Bureaucracy.

But Alas. Republicans would much rather be the minority than do the work of governing.

And people wonder why Trump has such a demanding lead.

Enigma does a great job of cataloging all the safe losers the GOPe put forward to run. (not win, nobody wanted them to win)

Kate said...

Sadly, the odds that Trump will pick her as VP are rising. She's this election's Pence.

Rich said...

Well, first of all, for a little bit of context here, we should start any conversation about the Republican primary by noting that no candidate with as big of a lead as Trump has right now has ever lost in the Republican primaries as long as they’ve been having sort of this modern process. So let’s stipulate to that. Trump’s lead in terms of history would appear to be essentially insurmountable in that no one else has ever done it.

That said: One cannot see how Trump could wind up the Republican nominee next summer. Surely the 45% number will crack and crumble. But it is hard to write the script on how that happens. Nikki Haley does seem to embody the coming political upset of the decade. She seems made for the storm. This coming winter and spring looks like a real tub-thumping American story in the works. If she's good enough, she will make it.

Cappy said...

Republicans want Trump. There's really no getting around it. Democrats want to imprison, if not murder Trump, and all who appear to favor him.

The whole anti-Trump Republican yakking is so much chin music.

tim in vermont said...

She will do whatever the neocons want. Remember when Trump shut down that war with Iran after Iran shot down one of our drones? Well, Nikki the Neocon would never have done that. The thought of four more years without a new war is giving them fits.

dbp said...

From what I've seen, Haley does the best head-to-head against Biden. Big money Republican establishment types want, before anything else, a win. A secondary concern is that they want a president who won't rock the boat. Vivek and Ron are boat rockers, Nikki is more yacht rock.

tim in vermont said...

the part where when she ran for office first, she didn't know whether she was a Democrat or a Republican, and she was inspired to run by Hillary Clinton also has a lot to do with why the Unitary Party wants her.

"Give me the power to nominate, and I will care little for your power to elect" - Machiavelli

We all know the Unitary Party has read its Machiavelli.

Dude1394 said...

She is eGOP through and through. But she also highlights the ignorance of the eGOP intelligentsia. We must nominate a woman to pander to women, no matter if they stink or not.

narciso said...

Meh she virtue signaled on charleston for rioters for vaccines for ukraine

ronetc said...

I am not a Haley supporter. But what is wrong with "Her idea for the war against Hamas was, bluntly, "Finish them. Finish them"?

tim in vermont said...

Trump is +6 over Biden and well above 50% in the latest national poll. Biden is toast, Nikki is just holding out for them to throw Trump in jail for Biden's crimes.

cf said...

President Trump was directionally accurate in all his aims as President, and there's no question in my mind that Trumpismo is the correction America needs for our Citizen Republic to continue.

I agree with Mr. Begley that Vivek is the exciting Trumpismo 2.0.

My dream is Mr. Trump might see that also, and decide to put all his mojo behind that young man soon.

G*dspeed, Citizens of America

Money Manger said...

Ann, so you like Trump over Haley, Haley over Biden, and Biden over Trump.
Paging Kenneth Arrow !

Original Mike said...

"When I click on my "Nikki Haley" tag to see what I've found notable about her over the course of the campaign, I see nothing I like."

She's not Biden. That's all I got.

cubanbob said...

Dave Begley said...
Nikki is an old low taxes and big defense spending Republican of the Dick Cheney variety. That won’t work today. She has no new ideas. She’s a tool for the defense industry. Another Carley Fionra."

Hey, I like low taxes! Only Trump can blow the nomination. If he can't learn to STFU when necessary,it can happen. Policy wise, he was pretty good as president. I'm voting for him as an FU to the RINO's and the Democrat-Communists. Unfortunately we are now living in interesting times.

wild chicken said...

They think everyone will vote for the girl. Same people wanted Condi Rice for years because black girl! And reliably neocon.

What's not to like?

Aggie said...

The GOPe makes it easy for voters to look elsewhere. They really don't seem to know how badly out-of-touch they are with their base, and they seem to be in denial with respect to Trump's standing among other candidates. I think their game is weak, and going nowhere. The old fossils in the party are probably thinking to themselves, 'We've done our job and picked a suitable candidate, now it's on to the campaign and soon it will be time for the Republican Voters to do their part,' as if it were in their citizen's job description as a work responsibility.

The era is dead and gone. The GOPe is becoming a zombie party. Voters on all sides no longer are accepting big-party politics, of the teacher's unions and Chamber-of-Commerce public policy-setters, and legislation being drafted by lobbyists for the enrichment of corporations and Congressmen.

Big Mike said...

She wanted to require everyone on social media to post under their real names.

At the time I, and a lot of others, thought she had made a huge, unforced, error. But what she was doing was signaling the big money donors that she would be perfectly okay with censorship on social media. This certainly has excited the oligarchs and various hard core lefty newsmedia like the New York Times and Washington Post. But it does not excite the GOP base at all.

tim maguire said...

Nikki Haley is the safest choice. She is a woman, so she will get a good portion of the female vote and give Republicans bragging rights for the first female president (because, sadly, that's how it works). She is a neo-con, so she's not threatening to Washington insiders. And she hasn't been in an absurd pissing match with Trump, so she doesn't have DeSantis' baggage with the MAGA crowd.

Sebastian said...

"And when you kick back, it hurts them more if you’re wearing heels"

Cringy.

All the anti-Haley and anti-GOPe sentiments here make sense. But looking for an alternative to the yuge losing loser also makes sense. Therefore, the right is stuck, and according to the Luttig proviso, there is no GOP.

Michael K said...

She will carry the defense industry almost as well as Cheney. If she got the chance, of course. She won't.

Reddington said...

In a word: abortion

Roger Sweeny said...

The media covers elections like horse races, and much of the pre-campaign coverage is about who is doing best in the race to get donors. Haley has done well here, so there is an almost irresistible urge/need/psychological desire to see her as the front-runner.

michaele said...

Nikki seems to be attracting the support of the big money/big business GOP types and, frankly, I don't trust them on the securing the border issue...and, hence, I don't trust her. Trump put in place good policies that were making a difference but didn't know how to handle the devious obstructionism of the Washington DC establishment (both parties). The only one I trust to be highly effective is DeSantis. He's shown he can take the heat and follow through with his declared objectives.

gspencer said...

Why Nikki?

Because she's a true RINO and as such will do nothing to upset the deep state.

Christie is as well but he's shopworn. DeSantis is a no-no as he will govern more in keeping with the Constitution. The little pip-squeak? No way.

gilbar said...

i've asked several times now.. How Long? How Long until They OPENLY call for Trump's execution?
looks like, the time is Now
A Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending.
Trump will not be contained by the courts or the rule of law. On the contrary, he is going to use the trials to display his power.
Indicting Trump for trying to overthrow the government will prove akin to indicting Caesar for crossing the Rubicon, and just as effective. Like Caesar..

a traditional check on a president is the federal bureaucracy, that vast apparatus of career government officials who execute the laws and carry on the operations of government under every president. They are generally in the business of limiting any president’s options.
The opposition’s ability to wield legitimate, peaceful and legal forms of power will already have been found wanting in this election cycle, when Democrats and anti-Trump Republicans threw every legitimate weapon against Trump and still failed. Will they turn instead to illegitimate, extralegal action? What would that look like?

Lars Porsena said...

Romney in a skirt.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

Excellent analysis by Althouse showing how thoroughly dishonest anti-Trump Republicans are. Haley is a disorganized bomb thrower who can’t even control her temper on live TV when needled by Ramaswamy using conventional anti-neocon talking points. Her backers must expect the DNC or its vast majority of media mouthpieces to go easy on her. Do they also think the DNC will simply disable their huge cheating machine for her?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

The impression has always been Trump support is weakest among white women.

2016 and 2020 proved that wrong: White women had doubts. They voted for Trump anyway.

"White women who said they were having second thoughts about the president, citing their concerns about health care during the COVID-19 pandemic, his divisive racial rhetoric and even his general demeanor, ultimately chose to stand by him."

Maybe women mostly say what they are expected to say and then vote their conscience.

rcocean said...

She's the very model of the American Bush-McCain-Romney Republican. Plus: High heels and looks good in a dress.

You want to invade the world and invite the world? Do you crave some WW III action against China? Maybe a war in the middle east and an invasion of Russia AND Iran? What about some cuts to social security and medicare? Tired of all those anonymous people mouthing off on the internet? She'll fix that too.

Nikki's got something for everybody! Tax cuts for the Rich? You got it. Hate those those A-rabs? Nikki's cool with 12,000 dead Palestinians and hopes Israel kills another 50,000. Love Jews and Israel? Nikki has your back. Israel can do what it wants and she'll give them all the $$ they wish. Want Abortions? NIkki's pro-choice. Want to outsource jobs and get some cheap goods? Nikki loves free trade. Want Guns? She's NRA approved. Hate Racism? She tore down the SC flag. And she's for "prison reform".

And she's wants to "reach accross the aisle" and work with the D's. So no nasty fights over "Rightwing" Judges or crazy attempts to "prevent voter fraud" or protect the border.

She's got it all. Get aboard the Haley train, or you're scum!

Leland said...

Would I vote Nikki over Biden? That used to be an automatic yes. Yet, if Romney is backing her, then I don’t know.

I’ve been reading and commenting here for over a decade. The host has received a lot of grief for her support of Obama over McCain and assumed support for Obama over Romney (I can’t recall if she ever noted her vote there). While I didn’t support Obama either time, fought hard for both GOP candidates, I recall her arguments against both. And they have held up.

Frankly, I’m embarrassed by my support for McCain. While I can understand a vote for McCain is a vote against Obama, I think not voting at all might have sent a message earlier to the GOP that they can’t continue to put up these establishment candidates. Romney wasn’t “The Maverick” and 4 years of Obama was showing his problems. Romney was embarrassing during the debates. I put in a vote for him, but he’s done nothing since to show me he deserved it. And still, the GOP didn’t get the message.

Maybe it doesn’t matter. Supporting Trump didn’t matter. I supported Cruz during the Primary, but the GOP backed Katshit, excuse me Kasich. Now with Trump leading nationally in both Primary and General polls, the GOP is backing not DeSantis, not Ramaswamy, but Nikki Haley who seems to have a very low cap within the primary campaign. If Trump is disqualified (regardless of how), I can’t say I’d continue to send the message to the GOP that politics as usual is acceptable. Likely if Trump is disqualified, it will be with the clear support of the GOP for that to happen, which would certainly lose my support.

mezzrow said...

We will reject DeSantis for being too focused on actually governing while being insufficiently charismatic and we will fully deserve what we get in lieu of him. If we can find a way to pick a minority woman, we can't help ourselves. We're married to those white suburban women you hear so much about, and they like Nikki way more than Trump and DeSantis, even though they'll never vote for any of them.

Good thing we're nothing like those establishment Democrats, eh? Why do the Trumpers view the GOPe with contempt, again?

Different people think different things are important. Enjoy your future.

Bob Boyd said...

Don't drop out Chris Christie. You're gonna get hurt. Wait for the horse loader.

hombre said...
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Bob Boyd said...

Haley can be counted on to preserve the status quo. That's priority one for the GOPe.

hombre said...

The Never Trumpers Are hoping that Trump will be convicted and incarcerated and that the nomination will be in reach for an alternative. They don't give a hoot about the party or the country. They are prepared to cede the election to the Democrats.

If DeSantis couldn't stand the scrutiny by Trump's base, Haley can't. His idolators will stay home if Trump is not nominated. Trump voters who are not idolators will hold their noses, as with McCain and Romney, and vote against the Democrat destruction machine. Theories about Haley being controlled as POTUS by big money players, if correct, are irrelevant. She will lose.

Without the Trumpers Republicans can't win.

wendybar said...

Because they want to shit on Trump supporters??

Jess said...

It's desperation. They have nothing to work with, completely alienated their constituents, and hope they can come up with some miracle to win and election. It's that, or they really don't care who runs the country as long as they, and their handlers, get their cut.

As less polite society would have pilloried, tarred and feathered, and then tied most to a rail for a quick trip to the nastiest ditch out of the Capitol.

wendybar said...

What iowan 2 said @ 7:32 AM

Rich said...

Republican voters active in primaries are a small percentage of the American people. The fact that more than half of even them no longer support Trump is the bigger story here.

Haley versus Biden would be such a startling contrast between Beauty versus Beast, youth versus old age, charisma versus non-charisma that the race might come down to the voters looking at Biden's record, his platform, his second-term agenda against whatever hodge podge the Republicans are trying to peddle and then casting their votes based upon their interests and the candidates' programs. Look for a near landslide by Biden.

If the Democrats field 100 strong candidates for competitive House seats (and near competitive seats), then a strong turnout and showing by Democrats at the grass roots level will carry the national ticket to victory. The Democrats should build the coattails from the local district on up.

Mason G said...

"Obviously, it's getting late, and it doesn't seem as though anyone (other than Trump himself) can stop Trump from getting the nomination..."

If it's obvious people want Trump, why the frenzied search by the establishment for another (any other) candidate who's not Trump? It's almost like those in power don't care about what the voters want. That can't be so, can it?

Jupiter said...

"Nikki Haley does seem to embody the coming political upset of the decade."

That's Rich!!

Tina Trent said...

Look, it is all about who will bow the lowest behind closed doors at Club for Growth. It's very, very simple. She hit the floor first, and they endorsed her. So, open the borders, eliminate policing, empty the prisons, legalize all drugs. Especially open the borders.

There are no grey areas here. Trump is the only candidate who has ever refused to go behind that door to kneel before them, and they have been trying to destroy him ever since.

Nothing else matters. Just that door at Club for Growth. The rest is bread and circuses. That's politics. I'm a nobody, and they used to send their ken doll thugs to try to shout me down when I gave speeches. They showed up at my husband's law firm, ffs.

They're leftitarian thugs, openly working with Soros now. Don't believe me? Read some articles.

stlcdr said...

I lived in SC while she was governor. She did a pretty decent job, was fiscally conservative (flew coach instead of business class, that sort of thing).

However some of her comments and statements, recently, are pretty meh, and left of center. She'd probably make a reasonable VP, but doesn't have what it takes to be a conservative President. As already noted, trying to play politics results in a RINO.

Kathryn51 said...

I'll tell you why Nikki Haley.

At the large very extended family Thanksgiving (not my family, but daughter-in-law family) with 30+ people and lots and lots of government workers/teachers. . . . hubby and I are the outliers. But many asked us who we were supporting in the Republican party and several of the very white, very suburban women told me that they would vote for Haley over Biden if she was the GOP nominee.

so the answer is - Because the dems won't be able to gather enough fraudulent votes to overcome her lead.

"Finish them. Finish them"

gilbar said...

it's not the dems.. it's not the republicans.. It's the Whole DC environment
Congress provided $7.5B for electric vehicle chargers. Built so far: Zero.
Congress at the urging of the Biden administration agreed in 2021 to spend $7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers across the country, aiming to appease anxious drivers while tackling climate change.
Two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger.

States and the charger industry blame the delays mostly on the labyrinth of new contracting and performance requirements they have to navigate to receive federal funds.

is gilbar saying, that the simple solution would be to hit Washington DC with a 1 megaton ICBM?
NO! gilbar is NOT saying that; at ALL. The current US ballistic missile inventory tops out at less than HALF a megaton. Fortunately a W-78 (~300Kt) would be MORE than effective

iowan2 said...

. If he can't learn to STFU when necessary,it can happen.


If President Trump would have followed your advice, there would have never been a President Trump
I think the first time the crowd went wild, was when he said the govt was spying on him and his campaign. Universally, all said he should not, could not say that out loud.But damn. He was just citing the facts.

I wish you were as upset with the govt for its abuse of power.

Iman said...

Another debate tomorrow night, God help us!

Gusty Winds said...

She's a female NeoCon. Simple.

Doug said...

"Why have anti-Trump Republicans chosen Nikki Haley as the one who should beat Trump?"

Because the gyno-Americans insist on it.

Mason G said...

GOPe wants to tell republican voters who they'll be allowed to vote for like the democrats do with their primaries. Picking the first poll that comes up in a search:

Trump- 59.2%
DeSantis- 13.1%
Haley- 10.5%
Ramaswamy- 5.2%
Christie- 3.0%

If Trump switched spots with anyone else in that poll, the screams for him to drop out and support the leader would be deafening. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it.

tim in vermont said...

"Top Democratic donor gives $250,000 to Nikki Haley pac" - Headline.

Mike said...

I like Haley but she's a traditional conservative who likes to get things done. Therefore, she has no chance to win the GOP nomination, who prefer screaming populists who accomplish nothing other than making liberals cry.

rcocean said...

Here's the track Record of "Moderate" GOPe republicans on "Electability":

76- only Ford can win. Reagan is too extreme.
80 - Don't nominate Reagan - he's too extreme.
88 - Bush better ditch that Son-of-Reagan stuff or he wont win.
96 - Only Dole can win
00 - McCain is more electable
08- Only McCain can win
12 - Only Romney can win
16 - Trump will lose in a landslide!
20 - Trump will lose in a landslide!

Now:

24 - Trump will lose. Only haley can win.

Michael Fitzgerald said...

Tim Maguire, Dave Begley and those with similar thoughts on Haley are way off base. Democrat Party women vote for Democrat Party members, period, end of story. Leftist women do not support women, they support Democrat Party women, period. And rhhardin is in left field as usual: how much support did Sarah Palin get from women when she was VP candidate and governor? Answer, nil. How about Sarah Sanders, Kayleigh McAnaney, or Amy Coney Barrett when they were being pilloried and defamed? Most lib, leftist women are happy to see conservative/republican women humiliated and beaten.
And Tim Maguire, who thinks electing Haley to be first woman president would change perception of GOP. Who do most Americans believe is the first woman Supreme Court Justice? How's Ronald Reagans legacy in the minds of most Americans?

Rabel said...

"She wanted to require everyone on social media to post under their real names."

It was a bit more than that. She wanted the federal government to force social media companies to identify by name all who participated in social media activity. Which would unavoidably make those identities available to the federal government.

It displayed a blind trust in the government institutions that have of late made it clear that they will abuse that trust for their own purposes.

Rich said...

The party who figures out how to not nominate their current front runner will win.

Narayanan said...

And she's talked about her heels repeatedly. (She announced her candidacy with the statement: "I don’t put up with bullies. And when you kick back, it hurts them more if you’re wearing heels.")
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and then teeter and fall or extreme balance on one heel?

'erstwhile' choice would have been hobnailed boots?!

Narayanan said...

I admired Haley when she was at the UN. She proved there that she can put up a tough fight for US interests.
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correct me if I am wrong, >>
since UN comes into play relevance only when USA is waging unnecessary wars overseas.
== any performance in that venue should be disqualification!

Narayanan said...

Don't drop out Chris Christie. You're gonna get hurt. Wait for the horse loader.
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if Chris Christie can clean out his AugeanBowels will his figure[s] improve?

Gospace said...

Without reading all the previous comments- the anti-Trumpers have united behind Haley is because she’s the one candidate who will decisively lose to any DemoncRAT. Even brain addled Biden. Or his ultra competent VP. Or someone picked at the convention when they dump Biden.

Greg the Class Traitor said...

The real reason for converging on Haley seems to be that Ron DeSantis flopped. It's just a matter of numbers:
“She has better prospects than [DeSantis] does because her numbers are going up and his are coming down. Usually, you want to place your bet on someone who is doing better,” said Sen. Mitt Romney


1: We haven't had a single vote yet
2: Haley had one brief "tie" with DeSantis in IA. It's gone
3: Haley and Christie are in the same "lane": GOPe tools. Which is why they're trying to get Christie to drop out, in the hopes all his people go to Haley and she rises in the polls.
4: DeSantis is in the "I want most of what the Trump voters want, but I'm competent and will actually get it" lane. Which is why Romney hates him

wendybar said...

What Mason G said @ 12:01 PM

chickelit said...

Haley is the person that Trump-loathing women would most like to see knee Trump in the groin. So it’s mostly fantasy driven. Men politically dominated by their women—and I know quite a few—follow in lockstep with their betters. Yes dear!

Joe Smith said...

I am generally predisposed to the idea that Indian-Americans are smart, having worked with hundreds in Silicon Valley tech jobs.

Haley is the exception...she is a mediocrity at best.

lonejustice said...

I've said this before. But I'll say it again. Trump will clearly win the Republican primary. His base will never leave him. They will double down on every criminal charge leveled against him. Then he will go down in a big flame of defeat to whichever Democrat is nominated to oppose him. Trump can never win the general election because Independents and Moderates will never vote for him. Never. Then when he loses, just like he did in the last election, he and his followers will scream ELECTION FRAUD and whatever. Just like the last election. Wash and repeat. And this will be the end of America as we know it today. Thank you Donald Fucking Trump.

etbass said...

I'm worried that if the establishment concludes that they cannot keep Trump out of office through the prosecutions or another voter fraud campaign, they will have him assassinated. There are too many deep staters that are at risk if he is elected.

gilbar said...

follow the money..
NYT: A New Dem 'Operation Chaos' Pays Off for Haley
Let’s be clear about this. Nikki Haley has not personally solicited funds from major Democrat donors for her primary campaign to win the GOP’s presidential nomination.
But the Haley-linked SFA Fund didn’t turn Reid Hoffman away either, as the New York Times reported a couple of hours ago. The LinkedIn billionaire co-founder offered $250,000, and the SFA Fund said thankyewverahmuch:

She is WHORING herself out to the democrats.. Understand NOW why the GOPe likes her?
Whores of a feather.. F*ck Together

The Godfather said...

We have to remember who OUR CANDIDATE is running against. Biden? Even further into his obvious incompetency? Harris? Not a chance. Michelle? Gosh, that could happen.

Haley looks better all the time.

Kellerreiss said...

Can't separate Haley from Julia Dreyfus' VP, same ditzy serious-silly demeanor, mouthing of hardline platitudes, and 5" heels. I fear for us if "Haley (R-ino) vs Biden (D)" truly becomes 2024 choice

gilbar said...

The Godfather said...
We have to remember who OUR CANDIDATE is running against.

Nikki will NEVER be "my" candidate.
If she "wins" the nomination..
i'll write in for Trump. I would FAR MORE prefer another term of resident Biden than her warmongering

gilbar said...

as Gospace said...
anti-Trumpers have united behind Haley.. she’s the one candidate who will decisively lose to any DemoncRAT

Seriously, What democrat (or independent) would ACTUALLY Vote for her?
currently, people MIGHT tell a pollster that they would.. But, when it came down to it..
What democrat (or independent would ACTUALLY Vote for her?

IF she got nominated, think of how "miss high heels" would ACTUALLY deal with democrat attacks..
By frowning and pouting and stamping her heels?

Kristo Miettinen said...

You ask "Why have anti-Trump Republicans chosen Nikki Haley as the one who should beat Trump?"

The answer begins with "well, they're more than just anti-Trump", and closes with "who else could they choose?"

Seriously, though, in all likelihood more "anti-Trump Republicans" (at least among donors and public intellectuals) support Joe Biden than any other non-Trump candidate. They aren't just anti-Trump, they are anti-plebian, anti-Tea Party, anti-republican (lower-case "r"), and therefore also anti-DeSantis and anti-Ramaswami. After Biden, Haley is a logical second choice.

Yes, the Republican party is (at the top, anyway) anti-republican. All elites are anti-republican, just as republicanism is anti-elitist.

Original Mike said...

"Then when he loses, just like he did in the last election, he and his followers will scream ELECTION FRAUD and whatever. … And this will be the end of America as we know it today. "

So then, you're a strong proponent of cleaning up our election security and procedures so that everyone can be confident in the result. Right?

Drago said...

LLR-democratical lonejustice: "I've said this before. But I'll say it again..."

LOL

Of all the members of the idiotic Althouse LLR-democratical Brigade (Rich, C****, lonejustice), lonejustice has demonstrated conclusively he/she is the least capable. C**** has proven to be most twisted/psychotic and Rich is the most willing to simply straightup gaslight serial lie in gadfly-like fashion.

LLR's: Partnership of Puny Prevaricators.

Chuck said...

Lol. I'm trying to imagine a situation in which a Republican challenger to Trump actually won the nomination by beating Trump in primaries.

Who the hell thinks that Trump would ever concede an electoral loss? Primary or otherwise? Who thinks that Trump would not do everything, anything, to either win as an independent or else to cause maximum chaos?

It would be a delight to watch Trump lose, but I don't think it will be in this primary. It will be in the general, where the nation will come to grips with the stark and terrifying possibility of Trump being President again. With a campaign where Trump will be on multiple criminal trials and the vast majority of American thought leaders, cultural leaders, financial and business leaders and all sorts of moderates from both parties and independents will all be open to consuming the well-funded messaging that will be opposing Trump.

I can hardly wait for November of 2024 and the aftermath. And remembering that Althouse and Meade already went on record predicting a Trump "landslide."

Drago said...

I am probably not the only one who could not help but notice that as soon as Barron Trump reached an older child/young adult age that LLR-democratical Chuck lost interest in continuing his obsessive and clearly inappropriate postings regarding Barron.

I'm certain there is an innocent explanation for that.

I must say that given Mike Johnson is a much more principled conservative and clearly a much smarter lawyer than our Whitmer supporting LLR-democratical Chuck and Johnson has 5 children, we should all watch closely to see if Chuck's...unusually strong "interest" in the younger children of conservatives manifests in...unhealthy ways...along those lines...again.

Time will tell though I must confess I am not confident we will see any improvement in that area.

Charlie Potatoe said...

She is poisoness back stapner, best describe as a female Sammy Glick(See the Novel "See Sammy Run" by Budd Schulberg.