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December 2, 2023

"This phrasing was a terrible mistake, as it implies that until recently Jews have been strangers to persecution...."

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RideSpaceMountain said...: Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego Susan...credat Judaeus Apella, non ego.; 12/2/23, 8:48 AM
Michael said...: She is an idiot, of course. An actor. Dresses like a crazy person. Bizarre fashion sense. Lose the hat. Oh, and shut up.; 12/2/23, 8:51 AM
Lem the artificially intelligent said...: Kudos to Susan Sarandon. I only wish there was more of this kind of willingness to show people how is done.; 12/2/23, 8:53 AM
Quayle said...: It is so difficult to manage and keep current on the hierarchy of who is over who in terms of oppressor and oppressed. (The burden of pride.)

One would think that this was a good reason to abandon pride - to stop trying to manage or even construct a hierarchy. But without the hierarchy, a prideful person can't evaluate and conclude that they themselves are better than others. So hierarchy we must.; 12/2/23, 8:55 AM
Sebastian said...: Question: if the taste of being a Muslim in this country is so bitter, why don't Muslims seek asylum in majority-Muslim countries? Why try and live among the infidels?

Anyway, let's do a quick body count: how many Muslims in this country have been killed by kaffirs in recent years, and how many of us killed by Muslims? And how many killed by Jews?; 12/2/23, 8:57 AM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...: Her agency dropped her and I suspect that she's figured out that she'll most likely never work again. (Not that she was particularly in demand.). Color me underwhelmed.; 12/2/23, 8:59 AM
Big Mike said...: Good she apologized. Better if she had stopped to think before speaking.; 12/2/23, 9:05 AM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: Right now the only actor I'm impressed with is someone named Julianna.

it takes balls to speak your mind in leftwing America.; 12/2/23, 9:05 AM
Cappy said...: Still a Jew hating bitch.; 12/2/23, 9:05 AM
Big Mike said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 12/2/23, 9:05 AM
Howard said...: I don't care for her either ("The Hunger" excepted), however, she does highlight the complex nature of Israel and Palestine. Plenty of bad actors and victims on both sides. Having empathy for everyone suffering is a good thing. It's easy living in the United States of Disneyland compared with most of the Fucked up world where life is cheap. I even have empathy for the Hamas terrorists. They were born and bred into this ugly family business. That said, they need to be terminated with extreme prejudice.; 12/2/23, 9:05 AM
Ice Nine said...: It wasn't a mistake, babe. It was simply a tacit declaration that you, like your entire "diverse group of activists," are mindlessly driven to kiss Muslim ass above all else.; 12/2/23, 9:06 AM
Elliott A said...: It is impossible to feel any empathy at all for Jews if you are supporting Hamas whether directly or indirectly. As for the Gazans, after the betrayal by many of those allowed to work in Israel, the cheering as dead Israelis were dragged through the streets, and the fact that no other Arab country will take them, makes them not worthy of support. They have never made the effort to rid themselves of Hamas. It would have required sacrifice, but so did our revolution and throwing off the British. Every one of our founding founders (including signers of the Declaration of Independence) would have been executed had the war been lost.; 12/2/23, 9:08 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: It implies that she is completely ignorant of the historical fact that 60% of America’s“ hate crimes” were committed against Jews. How can an alleged “peace activist” not be aware? I’m certain she doesn’t know that Donald Trump is responsible for adding Civil Rights protections for Jews and that is the only reason Jewish students were able to file suit against schools last month that have allowed open violence and harassment and intimidation against them.; 12/2/23, 9:10 AM
rhhardin said...: Jews are more attacked to prophets than (Greek) philosphers. Alienation vs member of the Polis.

In the hands of the elite, alienation is a huge productive resource, hence enormous amounts of Jewish scholarship. In the hands of the mob, alienation is a source of finding antisemitism everywhere as a mode of living, which produces the same stupidity as it does with blacks in the same mode.

Then there's Gaza antisemitism, which would correspond to the KKK suddenly turning up as a major force for blacks, actual racism instead of imagined racism.; 12/2/23, 9:11 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: Now she will be disinvited from speaking at other pro-Hamas rallies if not outright assaulted for equating the Oppressors with the poor murderous Oppressed folk.; 12/2/23, 9:14 AM
Tina Trent said...: Only, she has been participating in anti-Semitic leftist activism for several decades. And as I've harped on about before, she helped free a murderer who said he would murder again if released, and he did -- randomly stabbing a 17-year-old waiter. Sarandon continued to support him, attended his trial while pregnant, and named her baby Jack Abbott Sarandon after the murderer.

She never apologized to the 17-year-old's family. Nor has Jack Abbott Sarandon, now an adult, shown the human decency to change his name.; 12/2/23, 9:16 AM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: I'm still waiting for Hamas-excusing/ Palestinian-supporting leftists to square the fact that radical Islamic men subjugate women and kill homosexuals.; 12/2/23, 9:17 AM
Bob Boyd said...: But dem jugs doh...; 12/2/23, 9:18 AM
madAsHell said...: Ya know...........she’s an actress.; 12/2/23, 9:18 AM
gspencer said...: A time for choosing.

Either you stand with the Jews or you don't. Muslims have made it clear: their Allah has told them that the Jews are their worst enemy. They must be killed and eliminated from the earth.

To quote a famous hadith, “Judgement Day will not come until the Muslims fight the Jews. The Jews will hide behind the stones and the trees, and the stones and the trees will say, oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew hiding behind me — come and kill him.”

The Palis are following that.; 12/2/23, 9:24 AM
rcocean said...: So once again we have a rich person from the most powerful group in the USA, claiming her group is someone a poor oppressed minority that's a "victim of hate", y'know like blacks or whatever. And you also have Chuck Schumer, the most power man in the USA next to POTUS, and claiming on twitter to be some sort of victim.

Fact: Jews have faced little or no overt EXPLICIT discrimination in the USA for over 60 years, and little before that. That they still whine about country clubs or bring up some random shooting that happened years ago, just proves the point.

We even have Jews at Harvard, who make up 25 pecent of the students (10x their number in the total population) complaining of being oppressed because some Pro-Palestienians "Menanced" them. Or something.

Its most absurd thing I've ever read. You know who are the victims of hate crimes? WHite Christians. Look at the number of churches desecrated and burned every year. Look at the number of white people attacked and murdered by non-whites.

Well, at least Israel has stopped its genocide in Gaza - for now.; 12/2/23, 9:30 AM
narciso said...: Go fark yourself janet; 12/2/23, 9:30 AM
AlbertAnonymous said...: She’s getting a taste of what it was like for people who wanted to say “all lives matter.” Just can’t say it. Read the room. This is not the time to be advocating for protection of Muslims or Palestinians or making any comparisons or whataboutisms. Just support Israel or STFU.

Besides, she’s always been a cunt.; 12/2/23, 9:38 AM
wendybar said...: She isn't sorry about what she said. She is sorry that actions have consequences and NOW she is facing them for once.; 12/2/23, 9:47 AM
Richard said...: I have three words for Susan Sarandon – Go Fuck Yourself. Thousands of years of persecution culminating in the Holocaust just slipped her mind. Anyone with an IQ above 50 knows that Jews continue to be the most persecuted group in history. When you speak off the cuff you are expressing your true feelings. It is too late to walk it back.; 12/2/23, 9:48 AM
Kevin said...: Has anybody run this statement through a checker to see if ChatGPT wrote it?; 12/2/23, 9:50 AM
Quaestor said...: Lem writes, "Kudos to Susan Sarandon."

Don't cheapen your praise, Lem. Sarandon doesn't deserve it in the least. Consider the concluding sentence of her second paragraph. (For the sake of healthy neurons everywhere, we should avert our eyes from the exceptionally self-adulatory third.)

Sarandon writes, "It was my intent to show solidarity in the struggle against bigotry of all kinds, and I am sorry I failed to do so." Bigotry of all kinds, blather and bosh. Either she is remarkably ignorant, even for a faded Hollywood star, which is scraping the bottom of the cognizance barrel, or she is remarkably iniquitous. Anyone genuinely opposed to bigotry of all kinds can have no sympathy for any Palestinian "authority", be it Hamas, Fatah, or the most obscure criminal gang duded-up in Amazon-bought keffiyehs. All of them have created and promoted the most bestial and savage anti-Jewish slanders and libels that defy the rational mind's ability to categorize within reality. Even the most ardent and feral of Hitler's National Socialists refused to indulge in the like, not for the sake of truth, but in fear of being held in universal contempt.

If you have no idea of the scale of Palestinian depravity consult the MEMRI archives.; 12/2/23, 9:52 AM
Creola Soul said...: She’s sorry because she got caught saying what was really in her mind. It’s too late but she should have stayed out of it.; 12/2/23, 9:53 AM
Oligonicella said...: Big Mike:
Good she apologized. Better if she had stopped to think before speaking.

That would require her to not be Susan Sarandon.; 12/2/23, 9:54 AM
Aggie said...: She's done the right thing by admitting her mistake and apologizing for it - she deserves credit for that. I still think she's one of those highly-suggestible leftist dopes, though. But taking the High Road makes me think better of her - humbling yourself is always a painful exercise, before it sets you free.; 12/2/23, 9:56 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: Ocean has ignored the last thirty years of trends in higher education to make such stunningly ignorant statements about discrimination. So up until the 1970s there was soft exclusion from law firms and then shortly after 9/11 islamists started taking over campus organizing, which the trend lines clearly show had an effect on admissions. Like Asians high performing Jews have very low acceptance rates.

But you do you Man. You aren’t afraid to lay your hatred for Jews right out there for everyone to see. And you have about 2 billion fellow believers on this planet so technically you are in the supermajority Ocean!; 12/2/23, 10:02 AM
n.n said...: Fatah, Hamas et al have nearly a 100 year legacy of genocidal ambition, and the worst enemy of the people in the Palestine region. Today, the transnationals, once again, celebrate the tools of the terrorists' trade: murder, rape, torture, and abduction.; 12/2/23, 10:26 AM
MadTownGuy said...: She hewed to the narrative, then realized how it sounded, and backtracked. How insincere.; 12/2/23, 10:31 AM
Jon Burack said...: Ha! I say, don't worry, Susan. Your utterly stupid remark did not "hurt" me in the least. It is a part of your conceited self-regard that you think your thoughts matter enough to cause hurt.

The criticism that should be directed at American Jews is a different one. It is to ask "if you are all so smart as the stereotype suggests, how is it that so much of the cultural left today attracts your support when it has in fact always had it in for you? Wise up." Hence, we have blacks for free, free Palestine; feminists for free, free Palestine; Queers for free, free Palestine; and Jews for free, free Palestine. Iran and its murderous allies wind you all up and laugh and laugh watching you dance around the campuses and streets of America.; 12/2/23, 10:36 AM
Quaestor said...: Howard writes, "[Susan Sarandon] does highlight the complex nature of Israel and Palestine."

That's back-of-the-cereal-box rhetoric, Howard. Can't you do better? Probably not given the specious premise you have mistakenly promoted. There is no complexity to it. Since the fall of the Ottoman empire the Arabs have been murderously hostile to the Jews. From the beginning, envy fueled their riots and pogroms, and later their wars -- envy of the Jews' ancient faith, envy of their endurance, envy of their ability to make the parched soil bloom in abundance.

Jewish settlers in the land called "Palestine" by the British in imitation of the Romans, irrigated and farmed the land, always keeping cover crops in place on the fallow fields. In contrast, the Arabs, drove sheep and goats whose grazing denuded the soil, spreading the desert and improvising their descendants. The Jews prospered, the Arabs stagnated, and therefore, envy and hatred. Petroleum has helped many of the Arabs to assuage their envy, though Islam and tribalism have kept their hatred simmering. Simmering, but not boiling. Active hatred has done little but humiliate them as the tiny nation of the Jews defeated them military time and time again, so they have little appetite for open war with Israel. But they can finance their Palestinian proxies. If they die, if they suffer, if they wallow in ignorance and dependence, the Arab world sees that as a cheap price to buy back some of their damaged amour-propre.

The Jews have offered land for peace many times, and each time the Palestinians (an identity unheard of before Israel's victorious war of independence) have utterly rejected the offers. The question is not complex at all. Hamas demands the extinction of the Jews. Israel demands Jewish survival. There has never been a simpler conflict in history.; 12/2/23, 10:38 AM
MadisonMan said...: It's very hard to speak extemporaneously -- which it sounds like she was doing -- and not mess things up. I would think this especially true for someone who might be calling out "Line...?" when they're actually at work.; 12/2/23, 10:44 AM
Jon Burack said...: rcocean, you completely miss the point about American Jews. There are good reasons to criticize them, or a good portion of them, but not because they join the victimhoods brigades now, when they actually are being targeted. The valid criticism is that they have aligned themselves uncritically with the victimhood claims of others who do not reciprocate and who show them contempt. The advice they really need is to recognize that contempt in which they are held by their supposed "allies," and to stand up for themselves by defending their homeland. If that is happening now, it is about time. I am one of them and with them all the way.; 12/2/23, 10:48 AM
Leland said...: If I understand Sarandon correctly, she didn't mean to imply that Jews are strangers to persecution. She just meant to imply they were finally understanding what it feels like for Muslims, who are being persecuted every day. But that's not to imply that Jews are not being persecuted every day. Yet, if the Jews would quit persecuting the Muslims, and the [left unsaid] would quit persecuting the Jews; then we could stop bigotry of all kinds.

Who could oppose that sentiment?; 12/2/23, 10:52 AM
Misinforminimalism said...: "I didn't realize I was being historically illiterate when I cheered on the abuse of a religious and ethnic group" isn't the apology she thinks it is.; 12/2/23, 11:09 AM
Wa St Blogger said...: According to FBI hate crime statistics,
A Jewish person is 267 times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime than a black person
A Jewish person is 423 times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime than a muslim

Susan knows too little of what she is talking about.

But you can't blame her. The news only talks about hate crimes against blacks and hand wrings over supposed waves of hate crimes against muslims whenever a terrorist strikes.

Media doesn't care about facts, and neither do leftists.; 12/2/23, 11:15 AM
Roger Sweeny said...: Muslims in this country are not "so often subject to violence". So why would Sarandon say it? Perhaps because she hates America? Which would make this Instagram post hate speech. And disinformation.; 12/2/23, 11:17 AM
Douglas B. Levene said...: Sarandon has always been a twit. Yes, a cute one, but nonetheless a twit.; 12/2/23, 11:24 AM
cassandra lite said...: If you’re attending a rally where they’re chanting “From the river to the sea,” which is a genocidal war cry, and you declare something publicly that you know, because you’re not a dumb woman, is as morally degenerate as it is historically illiterate, then you can fuck right off.; 12/2/23, 11:28 AM
Tina Trent said...: Rcocean: I agree that, worldwide, more Christian are murdered for being Christian than any other faith. The numbers are undeniable, and the narrative is to pretend it isn't happening. And none of those other minority religions nor their activists or the MSM give a rat's ass.

However, Jews and Israel are a special case. There, I said it. It would be nice if they acknowledged our suffering more. But we are many and they are few, and we share a culture and history and familial commitment to each other.

Sometimes history and culture trump equity and equality, and for very good reasons. We are family with the Jewish faith.; 12/2/23, 11:32 AM
narciso said...: The 1920 san remo accords entitle the land to the jews; 12/2/23, 11:34 AM
JAORE said...: I greatly regret the rapidly diminishing requests for my acting "talents". Please don't let my stupid, knee jerk tweet add to that personal trauma.; 12/2/23, 11:40 AM
Gusty Winds said...: She said what she really believed to a sympathetic anti-Semitic crowd.; 12/2/23, 11:42 AM
Joe Smith said...: Better than the cookie cutter 'I'm sorry if I offended anyone.'

'Sarandon has always been a twit. Yes, a cute one, but nonetheless a twit.'

Eye of the beholder. If I have a type, she is the polar opposite of that.

You can have her...; 12/2/23, 11:45 AM
minnesota farm guy said...: Ann, no "Bullshit tag"?; 12/2/23, 11:50 AM
hpudding said...: However, Jews and Israel are a special case. There, I said it. It would be nice if they acknowledged our suffering more. But we are many and they are few, and we share a culture and history and familial commitment to each other.

If they don’t, they should. While they’ve sought to empower other minority peoples in the region where possible, it hasn’t always worked out perfectly. For instance, their alliance with Turkey was an excuse to not do more on behalf of the Kurds or acknowledge the Armenian genocide. But Christians in Israel fare much better than under the Palestinians, and their religious sites are protected. They actually seem to have become something of an elite class within Israel at least professionally, if you can believe that.

Speaking of the Armenians, this group was just completely ethnically cleansed out of their enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh by the Azerbaijanis, and no one batted an eyelash. This occurred less than a month or two prior to Hamas’ attacks in October. Will the UN or any advocacy or aid agency say a single thing? I haven’t heard one. I doubt it. It’s horrifying. When Israel complains next at the UN regarding unfair treatment and double-standards they should surely say something about that example.

Everything else I agree with you on.; 12/2/23, 12:05 PM
rcocean said...: Look, if you're Jewish I may consider your cries of oppression in the USA absurd, but I also find it understandable. Why not keep the grift going? Why not get the benefit of group solidarity, and being the wealthiest, most powerful group in the USA, AND get everyone else to consider you the Victim? From a Jewish point of view: Win-Win.

But if you're not Jewish and you feel sorry for the wealthiest most powerful religious/ethnic group in the USA, you need to get your head examined.

Someone may say, Rc, you're just envious of the Jews. And I'd say yes, I do envy them. Imagine having a religion where a Rabbi can run Porn-hub, or worship Mammon, or NOT love thy neighbor, and according to the Pope, still get into heaven. what a sweet deal. We should all just convert to Judaism.; 12/2/23, 12:08 PM
hombre said...: As always, she is full of shit.

What was called for, from any person of conscience, was a condemnation of Hamas and Islamist terrorism and condolences to Israelis, not an ode to the imaginary persecution of Muslims.; 12/2/23, 12:09 PM
Yinzer said...: I was all set to take Howard to task for his false 'bad people on both sides' comment. Then I read ocean's diatribe about how Jews are basically just whining and I despaired of commenting at all. Yet he is not wrong about it being open season on Christians.; 12/2/23, 12:09 PM
William said...: Like Susan Sarandon I'm in favor of world peace and opposed to the killing of children. For just these reasons, I would urge Hamas to release all their captives. At that point, I would be glad to join her in demonstrations against the further devastation of Gaza....The Hamas people committed a foolhardy act of war against Israel. If you kill Mike Tyson's kids and rape his wife, don't sit around on his front porch and wait for him to come home so you can talk things out.....I heard some pundit comment on the numbers of Muslims who have been killed. I forget the number but it was in the millions. Of that number, the number of casualties attributable to Israel amounted to only 0.03%. Muslims are very good at killing each other. Israel is not prosecuting its war in Gaza with more ferocity than Saddam and Assad did with their restive populations.....What the Palestinians and Israelis have in common is that among all the many millions of refugees that WWI, WWII, and various other conflicts have produced, they're the only two populations that claim a special right of return. I'm rooting for Israel, but the conflict will never be settled in the lifetime of your grandchildren's children.; 12/2/23, 12:37 PM
William said...: Susan Sarandon had a really hot make-out scene with Catherine Deneuve in the 1983 film, The Hunger. That's how I prefer to remember her.; 12/2/23, 12:42 PM
Arashi said...: Where is all of this hatred and violence against Muslims in the US? Where? It certainly does not appear on the nightly news. The fact is there is no rampant hatred and violence against them in this country. There is the ongoing antisemitic attacks that occur all too frequently and are not properly addressed by the authorities. There is the constant denigration of Christians by individuals and the government.

Ms. Sarandon should apologize for being an ignorant, vapid, dilettante and slink her sorry whiteness into oblivion.; 12/2/23, 12:59 PM
loudogblog said...: "Dammit! Janet!"; 12/2/23, 1:05 PM
Drago said...: RideSpaceMountain: "Credat Judaeus Apella, non ego Susan...credat Judaeus Apella, non ego."

Never too early in the day for a Tombstone sub-reference.; 12/2/23, 1:46 PM
Drago said...: Susan was Desperately Seeking Vanessa Redgraves status.....; 12/2/23, 1:48 PM
Skeptical Voter said...: Susan violated an old maxim. If your audience thinks you might be e an idiotic twit, it's better if you don't open your mouth and remove all doubt.; 12/2/23, 1:55 PM
Patrick Driscoll said...: The antisemitism canard is used as a cudgel to abuse all the individuals who dare to highlight wrongdoing committed by Jews in recorded history. No ethnic group or race is immune from criticism. Every ethic group has experienced abuse in the past, not just Jews. The constant victim narrative is played out.; 12/2/23, 1:56 PM
tim maguire said...: It was a nice apology with no hedging "sorry if I" bullshit, but is that enough? What she said was not just wrong historically, it was nasty and meanspirited. "They're getting a taste of" has more than a hint of "good, now maybe they'll learn something" about it.

And, of course, Islamophobia is not a thing. Muslims have been treated just fine in the US.; 12/2/23, 2:33 PM
Krumhorn said...: It's not brain pressure that causes her bug-eyed look. It's an excess of just plain leftie stupid. She's a nasty and hateful little shit.

- Krumhorn; 12/2/23, 2:37 PM
Wa St Blogger said...: A Jewish person is 267 times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime than a black person
A Jewish person is 423 times MORE likely to suffer a hate crime than a muslim

Bah. What I get for firing off a message last minute before heading out to do errands.

missed the decimal point 2.67 times and 4.23.; 12/2/23, 2:42 PM
Candide said...: Defining Jewish people as Oppressors and Arabs as Oppressed puts more than thousand years of History upside down. Jewish people were always oppressed everywhere since Romans expelled them from their homeland about 1800 years ago and Muslim Arabs were always dominant in all countries conquered by Islam since 7th century. This situation was reversed only as recently in 1948, when modern State of Israel was created.

Historically, Jewish people have a lot in common with American Black people and other oppressed and persecuted minorities. The word Ghetto comes from the Jewish area of Venice where Jews were confined to live since 1516. In Europe Jews were not made slaves but were subject to frequent lynching over hundreds of years.

Muslim Arabs were always the ruling elite in the lands of Islam and thus have a lot in common with Christian Europeans.

Jewish people suffered horribly in European countries. They were promised a better future during Enlightenment, but then Europeans flipped and murdered millions of Jews during Holocaust. After that, Europeans unloaded their Jewish problem onto Arabs and pretended to wash their hands.

Life was much better for Jews in Muslim countries until modern State of Israel was created in 1948. That is when reversal happened.

Since Jews got an upper hand in Israel they committed a few atrocities of their own. Alas, that is what Liberation looks like, oftentimes. Of course it was not just to the Arabs. It would be just if Jew unleashed their anger against Germans, Spanish or some other European oppressors. Now Arabs are full of murderous rage while Europeans feign tolerance and benevolence.; 12/2/23, 3:08 PM
Joe Bar said...: I thought that cancel culture didn't exist.; 12/2/23, 3:37 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: narciso wins the post... you da man!; 12/2/23, 4:04 PM
RideSpaceMountain said...: "Susan Sarandon had a really hot make-out scene with Catherine Deneuve in the 1983 film, The Hunger. That's how I prefer to remember her."

I know that scene. Hot. So many Hollywood women are like this. Great actresses when someone else is writing the lines and fantastic bodies, but as time goes by you quickly realize there's not much going on upstairs.

At least you can always go back to their halcyon days on film and reminisce with your penis how much they used to make you happy.; 12/2/23, 4:25 PM
Iman said...: I didn’t read any mention by Sarandon of the terror bombings, murder, rape, etc. that Jews have faced in their own country at the hands of Muslims for several decades now.; 12/2/23, 4:57 PM
Dude1394 said...: Instagram, no thanks. If it ain’t on X then I am not interested.; 12/2/23, 5:05 PM
n.n said...: "The 1920 san remo accords entitle the land to the jews"

narciso wins the post... you da man!

I second the motion.; 12/2/23, 5:27 PM
BUMBLE BEE said...: BTW - Billions of people worldwide are preparing to celebrate the birth of a Jew in His homeland in Bethlehem over 2000 years ago.; 12/2/23, 6:29 PM
Eva Marie said...: Susan Sarandon is a great actress. Bull Durham. Rocky Horror Picture Show. Atlantic City. She’s also stupid. She apologized for the idiotic things she said and that’s good. I’m not a fan of people being punished for speech. And I really don’t understand an agency that supposedly had a personal relationship with her for many years, dropping her.
A friend of mine who is Jewish was just called a racist by the father (he’s not Jewish) of her first child because she supports Israel. He’s known her since high school. He must know she’s not a racist and yet all those years of Thanksgiving dinners at her house, raising a child with her, mean nothing. I don’t understand it.
We all have to be so careful about what we say, how we say it, to whom we say it to. Maybe there’s a certain malicious satisfaction we get from watching people step on verbal or behavioral land mines.; 12/2/23, 8:40 PM
Jason said...: What would we do without the Film Actors Guild?; 12/3/23, 2:05 AM
Tina Trent said...: I can't believe the support for her in this thread, solely because some PR peon felt the wind change.

Susan Sarandon has been a dangerous and in at least one case deadly domestic terrorist supporter for decades.

Does nobody read?; 12/3/23, 8:30 AM
stlcdr said...: "...peace, truth, justice and compassion or all."

The exact opposite of what she stands for.; 12/3/23, 8:48 AM
Eva Marie said...: “ I can't believe the support for her in this thread.”
Is it support for her or support for her freedom of speech. Either we believe people have the right to say whatever they want or we don’t.; 12/3/23, 9:32 AM
bagoh20 said...: Has anyone ever apologized for saying something stupid or offensive without being criticized first? You would think we would often makes such a mistake, and be the first to notice, but I never see that happen.
Would you apologize for saying something wrong if nobody bitched about it?; 12/3/23, 9:43 AM
Charlie said...: Sin in haste, repent at leisure.; 12/3/23, 9:55 AM
hpudding said...: Life was much better for Jews in Muslim countries until modern State of Israel was created in 1948. That is when reversal happened.

By being subjected to a non-Muslim poll tax, excluded from public office or armed service, prohibited from a right to bear arms, to ride horses, to pray or mourn “in loud voices,” or from giving evidence in court against a Muslim. They also had to yield the road to Muslims and starting in the 9th century, were forced to wear a yellow badge that presaged a similar wardrobe requirement in Nazi-occupied Europe after the Nuremberg Laws.

They were free from massacres as long as the current political leader was cool with that, which apparently they weren’t in 1066 Spain (5,000 dead), 1465 Morocco, 8th century Morocco, 12th century North Africa, etc., etc., etc. Muslims were taught to see their relationship with Jews as analogous to that between a master and a slave. Forced conversions also took place.

The Arabic language and Muslim religion were once confined to a part of present-day Arabia. To assume that that all changed through voluntary means alone is incorrect. There are countless examples in modern-day Britain and the rest of Europe of very outspoken Muslim proselytes who explain quite plainly how they are trying to do precisely the same throughout the West and the rest of the world. Democratic and media-driven strategies will be employed where practical, in every other instance conquest will unapologetically take the forms that conquest has always taken, no less in dar al Islam.

There used to be a saying in the Middle East whenever the local expression of Islamic supremacy was felt to be challenged. First they would go after “the Saturday people” (Jews,) then the “Sunday people.” (Christians). And not in a friendly way. Coming to a theater near you.; 12/3/23, 11:18 AM
Tina Trent said...: Fair point, Eva Marie, but free speech that lies is also just lying. Her behavior of the last fifty years is relevant here.

There's a saying by a rabbi, I believe, and I'm afraid I'm paraphrasing because there's suddenly a boatload of quotes on the internet with the word "pimp" in them:

'You must tell the whole truth or not speak it at all. He who brings truth all masked and painted to the ball is truth's pimp, not truth's lover.'; 12/3/23, 1:03 PM
hpudding said...: Whether real or perceived, unintentional or self-inflicted - the Jewish people have already experienced enough misery even before rcocean were to join their ranks.; 12/3/23, 1:21 PM
Tina Trent said...: Eva Marie, she and several other idiot celebrities used their media clout to help free murderer Jack Henry Abbott, even though he told her that if he went free, he would kill again. Which he did, randomly stabbing 22-year old Richard Adan. Only Sarandon stood by him during that second murder trial: even Norman Mailer expressed shame for the role he played in releasing Abbott the first time. Then she named her frigging infant after Abbott. And you actually feel it wasn't ethical for her talent agency to drop her? That's quite a strange set of values. It wasn't ethical for any talent agency to represent such a soulless excuse of human trash in the first place. And what she did to the actually still-alive, though crippled victims, and the dead ones, and and their loved ones while making the film Dead Man Walking has earned her a very special place in hell. Free speech? Try abetting serial murderers, lying about and defaming murder victims, and stalking their families.; 12/3/23, 1:38 PM
Eva Marie said...: Tina Trent:
“even Norman Mailer expressed shame for the role he played in releasing Abbott the first time.”
I don’t think he did. He felt responsibility but not shame.
Even after Abbott killed Richard Aden (they had been seen arguing), Norman Mailer testified on Abbot’s behalf: “‘Culture is worth a little risk,' Mailer said. 'A major sentence would destroy him. Adan has already been destroyed. At least let Abbott become a writer ...' “ (BTW Susan Sarandon and Christopher Walken attended the trial in support of Abbott but didn’t testify.)
Although Abbott committed the murder, without Mailer’s intervention Richard Aden’s life wouldn’t have been cut short. But there was no pressure on any publisher or agency to stop representing Mailer. There was no move to inhibit his appearances on talk shows or on the lecture circuit. There was no demand that he apologize for his words or his actions - at least I can’t find any as I remember and as my Google search seems to confirm.; 12/3/23, 4:23 PM
Eva Marie said...: Let me just add:
1) Tina Trent wrote: “she [Sarandon] and several other idiot celebrities used their media clout to help free murderer Jack Henry Abbott” Abbott’s release was solely accomplished through the efforts of Norman Mailer. Mailer was researching Executioner’s Song (about another murderer Gary Gilmore) when Abbott began to write to him from prison. His letters so impressed Mailer that he got Abbott’s writings published (In the Belly of the Beast) and worked toward Abbott’s release. “Mailer’s name carried weight with the Utah parole board . . . as did his promise that Abbott, if released, would work as his literary assistant.” I can’t find any contemporaneous mention of Sarandon as being instrumental in Abbott’s release.

2) “And you actually feel it wasn't ethical for her talent agency to drop her?” The people who comprise her former talent agency don’t believe in free speech and that worries me. They can now be added to a growing list: the folks at the newspapers, publisher, cartoon syndicate who cancelled Scott Adams, the folks at Disney and Walmart who have withdrawn their advertising from X, and on and on.; 12/3/23, 5:43 PM
rcocean said...: "BTW - Billions of people worldwide are preparing to celebrate the birth of a Jew in His homeland in Bethlehem over 2000 years ago."

No, they're celebrating arrival of the Son Of God, the first Christian. The current day Jews are the ones who rejected Christ, St. Paul and and the 12 Apostles.

Jesus saith unto him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him."

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

If you think MOST Jews today feel a kinship with Christ, go talk to Ben Shapiro or the head of the ADL about celebrating Christmas. Or read the Talmud.; 12/3/23, 7:28 PM
Tina Trent said...: Eva Marie: look harder. Or just don't talk about things you know nothing about. There was a committee to release Abbot the first time. You might start there. Or just don't speak in ignorance. There's more to learning than five minutes perusing Wikipedia.

And yes, Mailer expressed regret and at least had the dignity to publicly apologize.

You can start with the NYT index. Read every reference. Then do the same with the Post. Read a few books about political extremism in NYC.

And don't forget the part about Sarandon naming her son after a sadistic killer.

Then you can apologize to me for calling me a liar, sweetie.; 12/4/23, 6:52 AM
Eva Marie said...: I didn’t call you a liar, I said that Mailer was the sole reason Abbott was released from prison and I think I’m right. Also Mailer testified on Abbott’s behalf in his trial for the murder of Aden. As far as calling me a sweetie, yuk.; 12/4/23, 8:13 AM
Eva Marie said...: BTW what is it with Norman Mailer and women?
In 1960 when he was running for mayor of NYC, Mailer got drunk one night and stabbed his ex wife . . . twice - once in the heart. As she lay in the hospital in critical condition, she refused to press charges. Mailer was charged with assault anyway. In court Mailer asked the judge not to put him in a mental institution. He didn’t want future readers to think he had a “disordered mind”. He was sent to Bellevue Hospital for a psychiatric evaluation. He ended up pleading guilty to a lesser charge for which he received probation. Afterwards he said he thought the incident would decrease his popularity by 15% at Manhattan parties. But it only decreased his popularity by 5%. Apparently women couldn’t resist his charms.
Tip to parole boards everywhere: when the guy advocating for the release of a murderer has stabbed his own ex wife, maybe don’t listen to him.; 12/4/23, 10:45 AM
Eva Marie said...: More on Mailer’s stabbing of his wife (this from artnet news:
“Blind with rage, Mailer stabbed his wife in her stomach and back with a penknife. According to the Independent, as Adele Mailer lay bleeding on the floor, Norman Mailer told a guest who had crouched down to help her: “Get away from her. Let the bitch die.”
Adele first told doctors that her wounds, which included a punctured cardiac sac, were the result of a domestic accident. But later on at intensive care she told the police that her husband had stabbed her, though she never pressed charges against him.”; 12/4/23, 7:01 PM