Althouse: The institutionalized civility of "community notes."

November 28, 2023

The institutionalized civility of "community notes."

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RideSpaceMountain said...: This is a perfect example of why people are so effing infuriated. This is not a mistake. This is not an error. It's not a fat finger post. This is done deliberately. A 17 year old high school journalist with an extra 30 seconds to kill could easily verify that this image was deceiving and taken out of context.

This is a prime example of inauthenticity. Complex systems will not survive the authenticity crisis.; 11/28/23, 8:53 AM
wendybar said...: The real racists are getting restless.; 11/28/23, 8:56 AM
Lem the artificially intelligent said...: Write first and ask questions later.; 11/28/23, 9:00 AM
Gusty Winds said...: The asshole race hustler from Deadspin (Carron J. Phillips) doubled down and criticized the red side of the kids face in response to the Community Notes. Tweet below:

For the idiots in my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because the other side of his face was painted red, I could make the argument that it makes it even worse.

Y’all are the ones who hate Mexicans but wear sombreros on Cinco.

What a fuckin' moron.

These sick people did this to Kyle Rittenhouse, who shouldn't have even been charged, and the kid who remained motionless in the face of that Native American that was bitching at him.

Liberals seem to have no problem attacking and harming children to promote their bullshit.; 11/28/23, 9:00 AM
Lars Porsena said...: ...malice and aforethought; 11/28/23, 9:00 AM
Chest Rockwell said...: This "journalist" should get the Sandmann treatment.; 11/28/23, 9:05 AM
Heartless Aztec said...: Pathetic. They're running on empty. Fumes.; 11/28/23, 9:07 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: Why does anyone have to dress up as Indians - actual people? Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans? Why can't people leave the Indians alone?

Haven't they put up with enough?; 11/28/23, 9:08 AM
Leland said...: The Deadspin author, having been called out for hearing the dog whistle nobody else could, responded by suggesting that red face was even worse, and therefore he was being kind just referencing the black face. He then made two more racial stereotypes by suggesting it was white people complaining and then something about sombreros. I suspect that if the kid put on a bikini top and a skirt, the author would have praised the diversity of the kid and the NFL’s inclusion of him at the game just to get the clicks.; 11/28/23, 9:08 AM
Mike (MJB Wolf) said...: The weird NFL trend of teams using black as the main or one of the main colors when it was not included traditionally is growing exponentially this season. The Chiefs, for example, were traditionally red and white with gold as the accent color. When did black join the mix? This kid would have been sporting a white/red face in earlier seasons. Ditto the jaguars who were in almost all black uniforms last week. Their colors were white, teal and gold. Arizona Cardinals also showed up in black/red earlier this season, when again their traditional colors were red/white.

My hunch is that it originated with the Raiders, who found their all-black uniforms gave them an intimidating edge. Like black limos and the traditional tuxedo, black uniforms give off a power vibe. The psychology of color is not my area of expertise but is something I spent a lot of time researching in my day job as a marketing professional. There is a reason most banks traditionally used dark blues in logos and fast food tended to employ red/yellow/white packaging. And yes there are people who exclusively study these things and advise people like me.

That said, Deadspin is sick. Leave the kid alone. And thank Elon for elevating Community Notes to the position it deserves.; 11/28/23, 9:13 AM
Mike of Snoqualmie said...: Deadspin.com deserves to actually die a corporate death. Civilization will be the better without deadspin.com. No one but neobarbarians will miss it.; 11/28/23, 9:13 AM
Gusty Winds said...: Musk is making a remarkably simple bet with "X". Eventually, people will migrate toward the truth.

Truth is a feature that no longer exists in traditional liberal media. It's why they are all desperately trying so hard to destroy Musk. They are doggy paddling to remain relevant.

Funny. Nobody watches traditional media anymore. Their largest exposure is when their bullshit lies go viral on X. Like Joe and Mika's ridiculous satanic rants.

There is more detailed and timely information available on X. You don't have to wait for Lester Holt's producers to filter out the truth and plug in their narrative for that asshole to read. Yes, you must be discerning...but that applies to everything in life.

Voter Fraud. mRNA clot shot injuries. Truth about the war in Ukraine. It's all there on X if you're not afraid of it.

Musk is now a world leader. Better him than Bill Gates and Charles Schwab. At least Musk has a moral compass.; 11/28/23, 9:14 AM
Firstgen said...: I wonder just how long these creeps will keep faking the news. And I wonder who is it for? The fact that the kid had half his face painted Chiefs red would have been known to the writer, and would have been obvious that it would instantly been called out.; 11/28/23, 9:15 AM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: Hi I'm gen X Y Z W Q F U -

'As an eternal victim, unable to laugh or feel joy, terrified of free expression, (even Warner brothers cartoons set me off) I live in a constant state of outrage.'; 11/28/23, 9:16 AM
Iman said...: “Reparations now!”

—- Crackers; 11/28/23, 9:20 AM
n.n said...: Colored faces may be perceived as diversitist, culturally insensitive, and should be banned.; 11/28/23, 9:23 AM
Lem the artificially intelligent said...: My Comment over there: This post is an X trifecta. Like, Re-X, and Comment, with a Bookmark on top. This is where X shines.
Enough with the permanent wanton trashing of the human condition, from the people pushing endless wars no less.; 11/28/23, 9:25 AM
Rocco said...: Even if his face was fully black, that's still not blackface. Blackface is a specific caracature of Black features, not simply black face paint.; 11/28/23, 9:29 AM
tim maguire said...: Community Notes is one of the best innovations Musk put in place after taking over twitter. It provides an answer to the classic problem of the offending post getting millions of views while the correction gets thousands.; 11/28/23, 9:35 AM
lys said...: It seems like only yesterday when journalists were crying for anonymity and understanding when adult college students were making horrible, anti-Semitic comments. Now they are posting a 12 year old's face on a national magazine for painting his face in team colors. Imagine if the Harvard students had their faces plastered all over a national magazine?; 11/28/23, 9:51 AM
CJinPA said...: The writer of the misleading article is...not taking it well:

"For the idiots in my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because the other side of his face was painted red, I could make the argument that it makes it even worse.

Y’all are the ones who hate Mexicans but wear sombreros on Cinco."

He then closed off replies to anyone who doesn't follow him. He wants that little boy punished. He says he's been nominated for two Pulitzers.; 11/28/23, 9:54 AM
wendybar said...: Now do Jimmy Kimmel, Joy Behar, Ralph Northam, Ted Danson, Tom Hanks, Joni Mitchell, amongst many others who are stars of the Progressive party.

https://www.thewrap.com/stars-blackface-blunders-ted-danson-kylie-jenner-jimmy-fallon/; 11/28/23, 10:02 AM
Lem the artificially intelligent said...: How serious is racism to a so-called journalist, that he would throw the label "racist" around like a sports fan would throw stuff into the field of play?.

In case you are wondering, the correct answer is, not serious at all.; 11/28/23, 10:05 AM
RMc said...: The real racists are getting restless.

That's the problem with racism these days: all demand and no supply.; 11/28/23, 10:08 AM
Breezy said...: I’d hate for my livelihood to be dependent on wrecking other people for stupid reasons.; 11/28/23, 10:13 AM
Wilbur said...: Rocco said...
Even if his face was fully black, that's still not blackface. Blackface is a specific caracature of Black features, not simply black face paint.
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Very perceptive, Rocco.

Major League professional teams with ostensibly "white" names include the Vikings, Yankees, Padres, Mariners, Rangers, Celtics, Knicks, Cavaliers, Kings, Bills, Patriots, Cowboys, Commanders, Packers, Buccaneers, 49ers, Canadiens, Senators, Canucks, Golden Knights.

We won't even get into minor leagues and colleges.; 11/28/23, 10:19 AM
Ann Althouse said...: Whenever you feel the urge to go after a child, you need to stop and think about what's has happened to your soul.; 11/28/23, 10:19 AM
Jason said...: Deadspin delenda est.; 11/28/23, 10:23 AM
Jason said...: Wait until these idiots discover Raiders fans.; 11/28/23, 10:23 AM
KellyM said...: Blogger Rocco said...
"Even if his face was fully black, that's still not blackface. Blackface is a specific caracature of Black features, not simply black face paint."

To wit: the Lincoln's Birthday skit from "Holiday Inn". Probably skipped over in any current viewing of the film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pP64FKL7J0

Hopefully Deadspin goes the way of Jezebel very soon.; 11/28/23, 10:28 AM
n.n said...: It was a culinary disaster, a cultural explosion, and now the Kansas City Chefs have black, red, ... beans all over their face.; 11/28/23, 10:29 AM
tim maguire said...: The Crack Emcee said...Why does anyone have to dress up as Indians - actual people? Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans? Why can't people leave the Indians alone?

Is that a joke? Are you really unware of even one team named after white people? Vikings? Irish? Knicks? Just off the top of my head.

And by the way, Indians don't need your fake sympathy. They're just fine with teams being named after them. There's a petition going around tribal groups to restore the Washington Redskins. As of earlier this year, it had 128,000 Native American signatures.; 11/28/23, 10:32 AM
Bob Boyd said...: Where's the teams named after whites

Kings
Buccaneers
Celtics
Packers
Raiders
Knickerbockers
Forty-niners
Pioneers
Cowboys
Yankees

There're a lot of them, Crack. But you know what there is a shortage of? Teams named for things that aren't widely respected and admired or at least feared.

You don't see teams with mascots like:

Winos
Poodles
Beginners
Crumpets
Journalists
Plecos

The Native American community is divided on this team name issue same as the general population.
I think these team mascots are like the statues of Confederate heroes, it should be up to the people of that community to decide who they want to honor in that way. Don't we have enough real problems to fight about?; 11/28/23, 10:36 AM
DanTheMan said...: >>Whenever you feel the urge to go after a child, you need to stop and think about what's has happened to your soul.

The people who exploit children for political gain don't believe in souls. Politics is their only truth.; 11/28/23, 10:36 AM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: See here for context

1. The lying lair left are lying liars who lie.

2. The name of the sport team is "The Chiefs" - It is not insulting. It is adulation. It is respect of native Americans. They are strong warriors. Sports teams do not name their teams "The whiny eternal victims."; 11/28/23, 10:41 AM
RigelDog said...: How shriveled does your soul have to be, that you wake up in the morning eager to find some random child to socially destroy?; 11/28/23, 10:42 AM
rcocean said...: I was shocked this media outlet would go after a child. And try to ruin his life. But then I thought of the Covington kids, where the entire MSM Establishment along with Rod Dreher and writers at National Review tried to destroy some poor teenager for smirking at a native american with a drum.

A lot of leftists are one step away from establishing Gulags and sending people they don't like to execution chambers after a show trial. They are dangerous people.; 11/28/23, 10:43 AM
Joe Smith said...: Deadspin is a garbage site by and for garbage people.

They are hard-left activists and don't care (per AA's thought) about going after anybody as long as it furthers their woke agenda.

"Why can't people leave the Indians alone?"

When I was in high school, our mascot was 'The Indians.' I still remember some of the words to the fight song, "...we are the Indians brave and strong."

Nobody dressed up. It was a manifestation of respect, not derision.

I would love it if the kid turned out to be a member or an actual tribe.; 11/28/23, 10:43 AM
Gusty Winds said...: Blogger The Crack Emcee said...
Why does anyone have to dress up as Indians - actual people? Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans? Why can't people leave the Indians alone?

I think Crack is on to something here. Let's go all out. I'm IN!!

The Green Bay Gringos would be a great start.

The Chicago Vice Lords.

The Los Angeles Latin Kings.

The Denver Dagos.

The Minnesota Mexicans.

The San Francisco 69ers.

The Buffalo Bull Dykes.

The Jacksonville Jagoffs.

The Atlanta Assholes.

The Cleveland Steamers.

The Dallas Dickheads.

The Baltimore Ballbusters.

Rename then all and leave the Native Americans alone dammit!; 11/28/23, 11:24 AM
Drago said...: wendybar: "The real racists are getting restless."

Some of the real racists are so restless they have made common cause with islamic supremacist 7th century death cults.; 11/28/23, 11:40 AM
Rocco said...: Gusty Winds said...
"The Green Bay Gringos would be a great start...
The Chicago Vice Lords...
The Dallas Dickheads..."

The Pittsburgh Steelers; 11/28/23, 11:44 AM
Rocco said...: Bob Boyd said...
"You don't see teams with mascots like: ...Journalists..."

I stand w Israel. Leftists, Mullahs, Hamas-Palistinian terrorists can suck it said...
"Sports teams do not name their teams 'The whiny eternal victims'."

Live on ESPN8 - The Ocho - from Trans Field at 2SLGBTQIA+ Stadium: The Deadspin Whiny Victims take on the New York Times Journalists this weekend.; 11/28/23, 11:51 AM
Original Mike said...: Blogger tim maguire said..."Community Notes is one of the best innovations Musk put in place after taking over twitter. It provides an answer to the classic problem of the offending post getting millions of views while the correction gets thousands."

+1

It's an example of why they hate him.; 11/28/23, 11:59 AM
Original Mike said...: "Is that a joke? Are you really unware of even one team named after white people? Vikings? Irish? Knicks? Just off the top of my head."

Crack sees nothing but slights. Some real, presumably, but most not.; 11/28/23, 12:01 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: tim maguire said...

"Are you really unware of even one team named after white people? Vikings? Irish? Knicks? Just off the top of my head."

You got me - I forgot - but, even then, you don't see the difference? The Irish helped wipe out the natives, for instance. And where's the black's team? Mexicans? Are you gonna tell me there's no weird white colonial-era juju at work in this naming shit?

"There's a petition going around tribal groups to restore the Washington Redskins. As of earlier this year, it had 128,000 Native American signatures."

Out of a population of 2.7 million. I'm not impressed. Face it: white people leave the rest of us in a state of confusion": they know they do things to other people, but still make us question their humanity, even long after the deed. I mean, how difficult is it, really, to accept somebody they hurt needs a rest?; 11/28/23, 12:01 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Joe Smith said...

When I was in high school, our mascot was 'The Indians.' I still remember some of the words to the fight song, "...we are the Indians brave and strong."

Stuck in reservations, all day long - forever.

It was respect.; 11/28/23, 12:06 PM
Unclebiffy said...: ..."The Native American community is divided on this team name issue same as the general population." Bob Boyd - 10:36

Actually the Native American population is not as divided as you might believe. In a 2016 attempt by the Washington Post to force Dan Snyder to change the name of the Redskins WP took a survey of Native Americans to see if they wanted the name change. The the first two sentences from the article,

"Nine in 10 Native Americans say they are not offended by the Washington Redskins name, according to a new Washington Post poll that shows how few ordinary Indians have been persuaded by a national movement to change the football team's moniker. The survey of 504 people across every state and the District reveals that the minds of Native Americans have remained unchanged since a 2004 poll by the Annenberg Public Policy Center found the same result. "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/new-poll-finds-9-in-10-native-americans-arent-offended-by-redskins-name/2016/05/18/3ea11cfa-161a-11e6-924d-838753295f9a_story.html

In order to get the name changed in 2020 WP specifically avoided soliciting the opinion of Native Americans.; 11/28/23, 12:12 PM
Oligonicella said...: The Crack Emcee:
Why does anyone have to dress up as Indians - actual people?

Why can't you read up on the Indians' view of this? They're fine with the representation. Only a tiny group of ragers such as yourself complain. And, ironically, like you, most aren't even Indian.; 11/28/23, 1:01 PM
Bob Boyd said...: The Cleveland Steamers! HAHAHAHAHA!

"And here come the Steamers!"; 11/28/23, 1:04 PM
Oligonicella said...: wendybar:
Now do Jimmy Kimmel, Joy Behar, Ralph Northam, Ted Danson, Tom Hanks, Joni Mitchell, amongst many others who are stars of the Progressive party.

Don't forget Whoopi. She put Danson up to it.; 11/28/23, 1:07 PM
rcocean said...: Haven't they put up with enough?

LOL. The idea behind naming your Team "The Chiefs" or "The Braves" or "The Indians" is because you are ROOTING FOR THEM. You are proud of your team's nickname.

Same with Vikings. Same with Cowboys. Same with Seminoles. Etc. Its no longer the "redskins". Were most Native American happy to be erased? Nope. Good God, I feel stupid just writing this.

Personally, I think Pro Sports should go the way of the dinasour. All the teams are owned by Billionaire Libtards and most the players are either thugs or have muscles for brains. As barkley said "There ain't no role models". The greedy owners try to squeeze every nickle out of their "fans" aka "Suckers" and play too many games, extend their playoffs far too long, and generally have made Sports into some bizzare money-mad/SJW circus.; 11/28/23, 1:41 PM
The Vault Dweller said...: Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans?
There are some.

The Vikings
The Celtics
The Fighting Irish
The Spartans
Also I'm not exactly sure what a Knickerbocker is but it sounds like something only a white person would call themselves.; 11/28/23, 1:47 PM
loudogblog said...: Ann Althouse said...
"Whenever you feel the urge to go after a child, you need to stop and think about what's has happened to your soul."

Obviously, he didn't stop and think before doing this because he started blocking anyone who criticized him and then set his twitter to only allow people on his follower's list to comment.

I'm really annoyed by the number of people who don't know what the term, "blackface" means. It's a very specific theatrical term. It specifically refers to the style of make up applied for a Minstrel Show. (Which did extreme caricatures of African Americans.) There's no way that that kid was trying to offensively ridicule anyone.

Perhaps we need more lawsuits against people who throw out false charges of racism like this.; 11/28/23, 2:13 PM
loudogblog said...: The Crack Emcee said
"Why does anyone have to dress up as Indians - actual people? Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans? Why can't people leave the Indians alone?"

As a person of native American ancestry, I can tell you that almost none of us are offended when sports teams chose us as their mascots. We actually see it as an honor.

Stay in your lane.; 11/28/23, 2:18 PM
Jim at said...: Write first and ask questions later.

Sorry. No. This was intentional. His response confirms it.

And as long as he thinks he can get away with it, he - and others - will continue to do it.

Either sue the shit out of him and his company, or beat the holy crap out of him.

I don't care if someone does both.; 11/28/23, 2:39 PM
Tank said...: I often suggested the names Brooklyn Jewboys and Washington Whities, but somehow they never got any traction.; 11/28/23, 2:48 PM
Mason G said...: Don't we have enough real problems to fight about?

Apparently, some people believe a lack of actual racist actions to publicly call out is a real problem.; 11/28/23, 3:02 PM
Scott Gustafson said...: When Musk took over Twitter he said he wanted it to be the first place people came for the truth. Seems to be heading in that direction.; 11/28/23, 3:04 PM
Original Mike said...: "And where's the black's team?"

You gotta be kidding. That stadium would be burned to the ground.; 11/28/23, 3:24 PM
JaimeRoberto said...: "Where's the teams named after whites or blacks or Mexicans?"

My high school's mascot was The Dons. Does that count as Mexican? A neighboring school was the Matadors. The mascot at my mother's high school was either The Moors or The Arabs.; 11/28/23, 4:18 PM
Rusty said...: Ann Althouse said...
"Whenever you feel the urge to go after a child, you need to stop and think about what's has happened to your soul."
Yeah. Leave the kid alone. He was having the time of his life being at the game and rooting for his team. That's the kind of memory that stays with a kid forever. Now, because of this sh*thead it won't be a happy memory.
Some people just need to be punched in the face.; 11/28/23, 4:51 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: loudogblog said...

"As a person of native American ancestry, I can tell you that almost none of us are offended when sports teams chose us as their mascots. We actually see it as an honor.

Stay in your lane."

"Almost none of us" is bullshit. I know my lane, Asshole, and it's not taking orders from pissy shits online, but asking questions. Like, why does anyone have to dress up as actual people? I mean, excuse-the-fuck out of me, but I'll say again, there's no black teams being "honored," or Japanese teams, Chinese teams, etc.. Why no "honor" for undefeated people? Haiti scared the shit out of America for ending slavery there - where's any "honor" from these pricks for those brave people? Cuba has never bowed to us - they get no sports love? Where's the team for JESUS? And, while you may feel honored, you're still being honored for getting your asses kicked - by those who kicked them - so feel that sick, food-poison-like glow, dickhead.

Now get your stupid ass out of my lane.; 11/28/23, 4:54 PM
Mason G said...: My high school's team was (still is, BTW- don't know how that's possible) The Rebels. I'm sure that's got to be problematic for some.; 11/28/23, 5:26 PM
Milwaukie Guy said...: The Pekin, Illinois, HS team were the Chinks until about 25 years ago.

I used to attend the Knickerbocker Society formal dinner honoring Queen Beatrix once in a while with my Dutch-Indonesian wife. A lot of Dutch-Indos would attend. I don't know why they call it that.; 11/28/23, 5:47 PM
Joe Smith said...: 'And where's the black's team?'

I thought they were all black teams.

'Stuck in reservations, all day long - forever.'

Like blacks stuck on the Democrat plantation?

Nobody is making anybody stay.; 11/28/23, 7:27 PM
Joe Smith said...: '"Almost none of us" is bullshit. I know my lane, Asshole...'

We whities say anything about blacks and you go nuts because we're white and can't have an opinion.

An actual Native American tells you something from his perspective and you still have to be right.

Take the L...; 11/28/23, 7:30 PM
Old and slow said...: "Where's the teams named after whites"

I believe there is a team named The Vikings, no?

It's a tribute to perceived strength and fortitude. No, I don't know of any teams named after blacks particularly, though they may exist. The high school in Yuma Arizona has a team named the criminals. Their uniforms are pretty cool.; 11/28/23, 8:01 PM
Old and slow said...: Crack is roundly mocked for his ignorance and promptly goes right around the bend. It wasn't a very long trip...; 11/28/23, 8:18 PM
Kirk Parker said...: I drive by the Emerald Queen Casino frequently; it's located right next to I-5 in Tacoma. On the very tall sign (like the casino itself, located on tribal and so not subject to local laws), in very large letters underneath the name of the casino it states "Puyallup Tribe of Indians" [emphasis added]

Apparently the Puyallups haven't got the message...; 11/28/23, 9:14 PM
Drago said...: "UPDATE: During Sundays broadcast Holden Armenta from California a Native that belongs to the Chumash Tribe. His dad is on the Chumash Tribe board up in Santa Ynez. Everyone is making a massive deal out of this and only trying to show one side of his face to push their narrative."

LOL

Racist Hamas Fanboy Crack hardest hit.; 11/28/23, 10:24 PM
The Crack Emcee said...: Joe Smith said...

"We whities say anything about blacks and you go nuts because we're white and can't have an opinion."

Lies. Y'all just spout them like breathing. Your problem is being racists. Like Oligonicella saying "I'll take screaming kids over pissy cotton-heads any day" and the rest of you monkeys letting him get away with it. It's not that you can't have an opinion, but that you can't help but be repulsive and repugnant. This constant screaming of anti-semitism is the same thing. Wrong and inappropriate, but wrong and inappropriate doesn't stop you assholes. You think you're merely politically incorrect. You're not: you're assholes.

"An actual Native American tells you something from his perspective and you still have to be right."

No, I still have a right to my opinion. That doesn't end when an Indian speaks, especially online where I don't know him from Adam, you dummy. You must send a lot of money to Ethiopian Princes in a jam.

"Take the L..."

Suck my dick.; 11/28/23, 11:43 PM
Old and slow said...: You've just pathetic Crack. You seem to have reached your level now. If you didn't have the handy straw-men of racism and new age to rail about, you might take a sterner look at your own failings. I expect there is plenty of material there to consider.; 11/29/23, 6:44 AM
Joe Smith said...: 'Suck my dick.'

Don't do charity work on a small scale...; 11/29/23, 11:31 AM
Ampersand said...: There is something demoralizing in the empty hopelessness of the elite obsession with racism. Defined as indiscriminately as it is, there's no path towards a solution, short of extirpating racial categories.

How many people will ever be willing to die for a nation that scorns them? Right about now, an awful lot of people feel scorned.; 11/29/23, 4:55 PM
Rusty said...: Turns out the kid really is an Indian!; 11/30/23, 9:05 AM