... Emerson told police officers that he thought he might’ve been having a “nervous breakdown” and disclosed that he hadn’t slept in more than 40 hours and had consumed psychedelic mushrooms for the first time....
One more reason to adhere to your ethics even when you are having a lucid dream.
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Or you might skip the mushrooms and go to bed. I'm all for personal autonomy, but there are costs associated with all this drug legalization.
"One more reason to adhere to your ethics even when you are having a lucid dream."
Fuck that. According to almost everyone on this blog, ethics are malleable. Crash the fucking plane.
psychotic reaction?
Or perhaps restrict in-flight access to the cockpit to the people flying the plane.
Step 1: Pull his license.
I think we also need to ban insomnia.
Iman: "psychotic reaction?"
Pilot or Crack?
Oh lord...this, on top of the three-day-work-from-home ethic...
Sleep deprived, trippin' balls AND occupying a dead head pilot's jump seat.
None of us have any idea who we're dealing with at any point in our day. The woman at the ticket counter. Do you know her? Know the demons inside of her? Or...maybe she's just a nice person who's thinking about donating her time after work to a food bank. Or...perhaps chugging a bottle of vodka. Or...or...
We don't know anyone. We have no idea what's going on in their heads. But sure, let's pump cannibis shops and legalize shrooms. Let's offer up needles so those people with peeling skin can have a clean needle with which to slowly- or quickly- kill themselves. And don't worry about arresting anyone for possession. Hell...everyone is in possession. Maybe just build some outdoor urinals so they're not exactly pissing in the streets.
We tossed aside the societal guardrails years ago in order to be progressive, not only in our thoughts, but how we show ourselves, our culture to the world. We're so...you know...modern. It was only a matter of time before some pilot did something. We've had many of these stories coming out of other industries, other daily walks of life. It's the pilot one that gets people thinking....shit...that could have been my plane.
I asked Google whether jet engines can be restarted after the emergency shutoffs have been pulled. Here’s Quora’s answer:
Pulling the fire handles closes that engine's fuel supply valves, turns off its hydraulic pumps, trips its electrical system's generators, closes the pneumatics bleed valves and a few other things. Pushing it back in reverses all of that and the engine can be restarted.
Which makes me feel better for the safety of the passengers. With the plane reported to have been at 40,000 feet, the pilots should have been able to get at least one engine restarted.
This is basically drunk driving.
I find it hard to believe that no one noticed anything unusual about this guy's condition when they approved him to sit in the cockpit. Did they think he was just hung over?
jaydub said...
Iman: "psychotic reaction?"
Pilot or Crack?
10/25/23, 7:20 AM
<snort!>
can we finally end the practice of letting guests in the cock-pit.
that's how 9/11 was successful.
Give the guy a break. It can't be easy to fly a plane on shrooms... especially if you're tired...all those buttons and dials and alarms going off and shit...people in a totally different mental state fucking staring at you...disembodied voices talking in your ears...I doubt I could do any better.
I'm at the bar/restaurant on the secure side of the airport, pilot walks up and stops at the bit of tape on the floor outside the bar and tries to get the attention of the server. He clearly does not want to enter the bar area for fear of bad optics. This was less than a decade ago...
A word to the wise is sufficient. Don’t fuck with your brain.
Reddit: the pilot is a hit in r/BlackPeopleTwitter
"oh you're a pilot?!" - "come on in and have a seat."
"oh you used to work for us?... come on in"
Things that should never occur when it comes to public safely and commercial flights.
We are getting lazy again. With Biden's open southern border - and after de-fund the police - we are ripe for an attack.
I went to a younger relative's fortieth birthday a couple of years ago in California. After the main party, the group of us cousins who are a half generation or so older than the youngster went back to our hotel to - I thought - drink some wine and catch up.
We certainly did do that, but then the cousins started talking gummies, and their habitual dosages. My husband and I were like, "Our usual dose? Um... we live in Texas, we don't have legal weed." And we exchanged a look that said and you three are as buttoned down as it's possible to be, you finance exec, high school math teacher, and nurse - how is it that you have "usual doses"?
I never indulged even in high school in England, where hash was laughably easy to get. So that night, I tried one gummy (dose unknown now, I forget), and when it didn't seem to be doing anything, a second. Woke up the next morning with the worst hangover of my life, and miles of winding road to travel. Ugh.
And that was just cannabis. (And wine.)
We have California friends whose college kids consider themselves sober because they only get high every day. Their parents also consider them to be sober. A person I know who is actually sober calls this "California sober."
Also - great, I just got a handle on the fear of flying I developed when my kids were born.
it's NOT MY FAULT dude! i was tripping! and i was just dreaming that i was doing it!
please let gilbar know if this works
One thing I can say with certainty. That guy is never going to pilot a plane again. The FAA is pretty strict about flying under the influence. Of anything.
Per ABC: “The suspect was en route to San Francisco, where he was scheduled to be on a flight crew of a 737, the official said.”
The Indians had a saying, don't judge a man until you've tripped over his moccasins.
Crack, get back on your meds. No, not the mushrooms.
Every individual is personally responsible for choosing the evil they do. That said, that a pilot would think it OK to take a psychedelic is a foreseeable consequence of this new "drugs are good, m'kay" culture that has taken root across the country.
He should go to prison just for being a pilot who does drugs.
Jamie said...
"We have California friends whose college kids consider themselves sober because they only get high every day. Their parents also consider them to be sober. A person I know who is actually sober calls this 'California sober'."
I am thinking of the corollaries with terms like 'California Conservative', or 'California Republican'. Must be something about that term 'California' as a modifier.
The Costanza Defense is this guy's only hope.
George: Was that wrong? Should I have not done that? I tell you I gotta plead ignorance on this thing because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing was frowned upon, you know, cause I’ve worked in a lot of offices and I tell you people do that all the time.
Boss: You’re fired.
George: Well you didn’t have to say it like that.
“Pilot Arrested for Trying to Turn Off Plane Engines May Have Been on Mushrooms“
Headline writer, how about focusing on the six years of depression and not the inconsequential use of a drug which typically lasts six to twelve hours at most some 48 hours ago. Sensationalism.
In May of 2000 I talk my way into the cockpit of a 747 halfway between Cape Town and Joe Berg. I happen to mention that I flew bug smashers in the states and so the captain invited me to stay for the landing. You really got a tremendous sense of the speed diving down and around thunderheads. I miss the good old days being a good old boy in powerful machines.
"oh you're a pilot?!" - "come on in and have a seat."
"oh you used to work for us?... come on in"
Things that should never occur when it comes to public safely and commercial flights.
If the guy didn’t appear to be high or inebriated — and I gather he didn’t — then having a third pilot qualified on the aircraft in the cockpit adds a margin of safety to the flight. Pilots have dropped dead or become incapacitated at the controls from heart attacks, and, anecdotally, the incidence of these events appears to be increasing since the mandatory COVID shots of 2021. Having someone in the cockpit able to assist in an emergency could be a Godsend.
83 people…
This is why you put some people in jail and throw away the key.
He wanted to kill himself in a newsworthy fashion, failed, and now doesn't want to go to prison. He is prevaricating.
I do wonder how someone in that state would be allowed in the cockpit at all. Actually, I wonder how someone in that state was even allowed on the plane. It sounds like a gag from Airplane!
'One more reason to adhere to your ethics even when you are having a lucid dream.'
But it wasn't a lucid dream, it was a hallucination.
Now the philosophers can banter about what is real and what is a dream.
Row your boat...
Looks like I picked the wrong week...
I wonder how many souls dodged a bullet that day in May of 2000!?!?
Now there’s a “May Day!!!” if there ever was one.
I will say I've smoked pot once. I lived in NC one summer 40+ years ago, and my roommate was a total stoner. Did nothing for me, and I've no wish to try again.
My brother has never even been drunk.
We're a weird family maybe. Or maybe just happy with the way we're living our lives.
Bullshit. What kind of mushroom stays in your system - and still affects you - for 48 hours?
I don't think there's a problem with the drug, per se, but there's a problem with people who have mental problems trying to self-medicate.
So is this what all those recovering from Trump Derangement Syndrome and Cancel-Culture mania will do in unison?
I don't think there's a problem with the drug, per se, but there's a problem with people who have mental problems trying to self-medicate.
From your keyboard to God's ears!
Early report by Blancolirio.
The FAA is pretty strict about flying under the influence.
The rules were explained to me as "no smoking the night before, and no drinking within 100 feet of the plane."
Here is a clip of Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla being drunk pilots in an airport.
'Here is a clip of Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla being drunk pilots in an airport.'
Who doesn't miss 'The Man Show' and Girls Jumping on Trampolines?
Before Kimmel got a huge, liberal stick up his ass...
Screw that guy.
If you drop 'shrooms you don't even start anything remotely dangerous, not wait until you're friggin' tripping.
One knows this before dropping.
Which would, in effect, make this premeditated.
Or perhaps restrict in-flight access to the cockpit to the people flying the plane.
Access to the cockpit is limited to actively employed Part 121 (scheduled airline) pilots whose companies employee lists must be integrated into the TSA, and Air Traffic Controllers on familiarization flights.
Most domestic flights have at least one jumpseater. I've only had one or two ATC controllers jumpseat over 15 years flying domestically.
Keep in mind that the jumpseaters are, for the most part, either on their way from, or to, operating an airliner.
Without jumpseat privileges, the US airline system collapses. The pilot profession is very itinerant. Over my 20 year airline career I had seven bases. Jumpseating is the pilot equivalent of commuting.
Tom T. said...
"The FAA is pretty strict about flying under the influence."
The rules were explained to me as "no smoking the night before, and no drinking within 100 feet of the plane."
"Eight hours from bottle to throttle." There's going to be a hearing and this guy is going to be lucky to keep his private pilots license.
Joe Smith:
But it wasn't a lucid dream, it was a hallucination.
The relevance of that would depend if lucid dreamers can get up and do stuff. I have no idea but it would be interesting and salient to know.
In either event, this guy knew he'd taken a hallucinogen. So it doesn't matter the retention duration, if 15hr (commonly given), less or more, he knew the possibility.
Either case, there's an element of premeditation as, if lucid dream, he meant to do it and, if hallucinogen, he knew better.
Wait wait, I thought getting high on the latest controlled substance is now a civil right found in the freedom penumbra.
@Big Mike:
Dead pilot? Copilot. Got an extra pilot on board? Seat first row next to the cockpit. Copilot coms him in.
Any commercial pilots here that can verify if the boarding pass shows pilot or not?
"Eight (8) hours bottle to throttle" were the rules back in my private pilot days(late 1980's). Not sure if the commercial pilot rules were any different.
Roughly 4 decades ago my father wrote an analysis of commercial aircrew training in the U.S. (He had won, some years prior, the Burroughs award from the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, for his work on safety and crash investigations.)
This analysis was so scathing that he asked my youngest sister to type it up and edit it. Bypassing the normal NASA processes. Submitted directly to the FAA administrator.
The gist of it was, that commercial pilot training, especially for copilots, was seriously deficient and would cause a major increase in incidents and accidents.
As it happened, most of the later incidents involved foreign operators. The recent 737 Max crashes, for example, despite including massive bad behavior on Boeing's part, also were caused by very poor pilot response.
Historically, U.S. air carrier operations have had a near-miraculous safety record. I do not expect that record to be maintained.
Here's my dumb azz question of the day? Never tried them. Don't plan to start. How does one "micro" dose. I presume it's taking a smaller amount than usual of the 'scroom.
But are all magic mushrooms equally "magic"? In other words, say my buddy takes "x" grams for his regular dose. So I take x/4 (or x/5 or x/10) by weight. Can I be sure that is really 1/4th of the active ingredient?
Doesn't seem likely.
I understand (and assume) that airline pilots/co-pilots are not allowed to fly if they are impaired. That presumably means that the subject can't have had a drink for X hours before taking off. I don't know what the rules are for mushrooms or other psychedelics, but those things have been around for a L O N G time (I can attest to that), so there must be rules. I favor applying the same restrictions to 3d seat passengers on the flight deck.
Dead pilot? Copilot. Got an extra pilot on board? Seat first row next to the cockpit. Copilot coms him in.
Any commercial pilots here that can verify if the boarding pass shows pilot or not?
Airliners are often full. Cockpit jumpseats are essential for pilots getting to and from their trips.
Once upon a time, I had been awake for 30 hours flying from Shanghai to Anchorage via Seoul, then jumpseating from Anchorage to Detroit via Memphis. (This is before the NWA - Delta merger.) I was Anchorage based, living in Detroit.
I waited eight hours in Memphis because every flight to DTW was sold out, due to the funeral of a famous Black pastor in Detroit, and there were a half dozen jumpseaters in front of me.
The boarding pass does show Cockpit Access, and is only issued after the pilot's ID clears TSA, which must has access to each airlines pilot roster. If that link goes down, then the jumpseater is stuck.
As it happened, most of the later incidents involved foreign operators. The recent 737 Max crashes, for example, despite including massive bad behavior on Boeing's part, also were caused by very poor pilot response.
You have been misinformed.
The pitch trim augmentation in high-Angle of Attack, high pitch attitude situations was properly certified based on the fact that if the system malfunctioned, the corrective action was simple, and the knowledge of which would be reflexive to a properly trained pilot.
This is the only article published that properly covers the MCAS related crashes.. Oddly, it comes from the NYT. Probably the last time they have done a long-form article on anything.
Here is the nut-graph:
Boeing believed that in the worst case, a false positive would present as a mere runaway trim, a problem any pilot would know how to handle. The 737 features two prominent toggle switches on the center pedestal whose sole purpose is to deal with such an event — a pilot simply switches them off to disengage the electric trim. They are known as trim cutout switches. They are big and fat and right behind the throttles. There is not a 737 pilot in the world who is unaware of them. Boeing assumed that if necessary, 737 Max pilots would flip them much as previous generations of 737 pilots had. It would be at most a 30-second event. This turned out to be an obsolete assumption.
It was an obsolete assumption because the FAA certification criteria did not include aircrew who were inexperienced and improperly trained.
Eight (8) hours bottle to throttle" were the rules back in my private pilot days(late 1980's). Not sure if the commercial pilot rules were any different.
Some airlines are 12 hours.
The actual criteria is BAC below 0.03.
Eight or twelve hours is a guideline that reasonably assures BAC will be less than 0.03 upon boarding the airplane with intent to fly.
Guys have been busted after finishing a real bender well before 12 hours.
The operative part here is "boarding with intent to fly". If a pilot were to call in sick due to inebriation any time before then, the pilot will not get fired; instead the pilot will be entered into the HIMS program.
"Headline writer, how about focusing on the six years of depression..."
You, sir, are an idiot.
Skipper, I am failing to see how the issues I mentioned regarding poor pilot training are in in conflict with your last paragraph.
Skipper, I am failing to see how the issues I mentioned regarding poor pilot training are in in conflict with your last paragraph.
Solid defense.
Fred:
Quoting you more fully:
Roughly 4 decades ago my father wrote an analysis of commercial aircrew training in the U.S. ...
The gist of it was, that commercial pilot training, especially for copilots, was seriously deficient and would cause a major increase in incidents and accidents.
As it happened, most of the later incidents involved foreign operators. The recent 737 Max crashes, for example, despite including massive bad behavior on Boeing's part, also were caused by very poor pilot response.
I can't speak to commercial aircrew training 40 years ago, as I entered Air Force pilot training — a very differenet animal — 46 years ago.
My first experience of airline pilot training was in 2000. It was outstanding. Every experience since then, eight different aircraft and upgrade to Captain, were equally outstanding. So, to the extent your father's analysis was correct, perhaps it spurred some changes that had been completely implemented by the time I got there.
I don't disagree with you that poor training was causal in the Max crashes, just as poor training was a primary cause of the Air France 447 loss over the mid-Atlantic.
You also pointed a finger at "... massive bad behavior on Boeing's part."
This is where we disagree. I do not see how any misbehavior on Boeing's part had anything to do with either Max mishap. Boeing's analysis was perfectly correct. An MCAS false positive would appear to the aircrew as a primary pitch trim malfunction. That is in the certification category for failures that are easily dealth with by normally trained aircrew and do not require extensive procedures or systems knowledge.
Both those Max crews crashed perfectly flyable airplanes. The latter crew utterly failed the first step in any unusual situation: maintain aircraft control. They left the autothrottles in Takeoff Mode, which maintains takeoff thrust without any regard to speed. This is to prevent thrust reductions at low altitide due to AT mafunctions. (The AT only follows speed targets after being switched to a vertical mode.)
I just don't see how any Boeing misbehavior had any bearing whatsoever on these accidents.
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