What has been "forceful" — or "new" — about anything Kamala Harris has done?
When Florida last month approved an overhaul to its standards for teaching Black history, which now say middle schoolers should be taught that enslaved people developed skills that could be of personal benefit, Ms. Harris directed her staff to get her down immediately to Jacksonville, a White House official said....
She was on the ground within 24 hours, speaking to a packed audience in a historically Black neighborhood, about “extremist so-called leaders” who want to sanitize history. “How is it that anyone could suggest that in the midst of these atrocities that there was any benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization?” Ms. Harris said, drawing a standing ovation from the crowd.
Her appearance caught the eye of Mr. DeSantis. “You clearly have no trouble ducking down to Florida on short notice,” he said in an open letter last week, accusing her of trying to score political points and inviting her to discuss the new standards.
Ms. Harris, who returned to Florida for her second trip in less than two weeks, had a swift reply. “Well, I’m here in Florida,” she said before pausing as the crowd at an African Methodist Episcopal Church event in Orlando erupted in applause. “And I will tell you, there is no round table, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact: There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”...
And in July, when she made a trip to Iowa for a discussion on reproductive rights, she said that she had investigated sex crimes, so she understood that denying a woman an abortion was an “immoral” approach to survivors of rape or incest.... Her appearance came just two weeks after the state’s Republican governor signed a strict new abortion ban into law, making it illegal to have the procedure past six weeks of pregnancy.....
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"New" "ForcefuL" They're straining to come with positive adjectives for such a lackluster individual. We'll see others in the days/weeks to come.
Biden will be resigning soon. Health, doncha know. This is the puff piece preparing us plebes for our new boss. Look for something soon about the Second Gentleman.
I want to see a debate between Kamala and Vivek.
are any of these skills that can make any one 'productive' but do / do-not require math?
math = humanizing
Her sense of entitlement is forceful, but there's nothing new about it.
She will be the President, though. It's not really what anybody wants, even her. It's what we'll get though. Just watch.
We'll end up getting what we deserve for getting ourselves into this position in the first place. In fifty years or so it will be clearer when they ask "how did this happen?".
Conspiracists will bloviate, but it'll really just be the way fate plays its hand.
Her forceful new role is giving speeches.
I've read the Florida standards in question, since news articles are basically deficient any direct quotation on this matter.
They basically simply say that instructors would discuss whether slave trades resulted in a slave personally benefitting from what they learned. No further context.
At best, its telling instructors to walk the class through the life of many slaves and whether their skills could be applied post-emancipation to their own benefit. At worst, it's a very very slight head nod to "Well slavery had some positive outcomes too" which is a terrible position to take for obvious resaons.
I think it's telling that after Kamala Harris got put on tough issues such as the southern border crisis, her "forceful new role" is jumping on a state level education curricula.
New black history same as the old black history regarding slaves developing skills. One would think NYT would want to inform their readers.
Translation: Dems are stuck with her. Break out the glowing reportage.
Let's not add racism to disinformation regarding Florida's curriculum by suggesting slaves couldn't develop skills.
Also, if you are a woman victim of a sex crime or even planned and enjoyed the sex while living in Oklahoma; you have six weeks to get an abortion without issue.
Is the forceful new role inciting protests by complaining about things that are not real?
Wow! Putting the DEM in demagogue.
And a very forceful cackle was heard throughout the land…
“enslaved people developed skills that could be of personal benefit”
Uhhh…
But isn’t that true? How could it be otherwise?
Amazing how the Times states things that are false on their face with utter certitude.
Kamala Harris is perhaps the best possible "poster child" for affirmative action which promotes visible characteristics rather than merit.
America missed its best imaginable chance at a deeply merit-based two-fer when Condi Rice demurred after being approached to run for President.
Kamala is working hard to bring Americans apart. She's a fool, doing what she's told and hoping to be promoted by the Party. If she was smart, she'd do what worked for Obama and cultivate an image of a black leader who can bring all Americans together.
I don't think, as long as Obama is in charge, any other black Americans will be allowed to threaten his place as The One.
And yet, the other NYT frontpager says Republicans are tiring of the culture wars and this will drive their base from them. Two strawmen, or rather a straw person and straw dame tripping the light fantastic in the maw of the Times' editors ethical funhouse.
They sure outdid themselves today. The teapot laughs.
Many black Floridians are very proud of their forebears who learned their masters’s games and built wealth. Last year I went to the funeral of such a patriarch, who was in his late nineties, and had built something of an empire, and heard speaker after speaker, all black but one, praise values that Gilbar would certainly have approved of, to a 95% black gathering.
Anybody genuinely interested in where this notion came from should watch the documentary, Middle Florida, which deals with Florida slavery from the same empowerment point of view. I very much recognized in it the perspectives of many of those who stood up to speak at that man’s funeral. Rejection of this perspective is to project powerlessness and utter dependency on some pretty powerful people.
But it’s as ridiculous to imagine that this perspective will a fair hearing as to expect any fairness from the media.
How many black men has Kamala Harris put in prison? (Estimates say around 1,560 ... just for pot possession, even though you can freely carry cocaine into the White House now.)
Does she know that the 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution authorizes slavery as punishment for crimes where the defendant has been duly convicted?
So, of Ron DeSantis or Kamala Harris ... which person has created the most slaves?
"What has been "forceful" — or "new" — about anything Kamala Harris has done?"
Nothing - just like that song from 'A Chorus Line'.
The 2024 campaign has started and options are kept open by subtly changing your perceptions - through the miracle of propaganda. This is just formulaic groundwork being laid.
"Dehumanization" is opposite. The slave owner knows perfectly well that his slaves are human. The one thing he doesn't want is for his slaves to see him as human.
Republicans are branding themselves as a menace to women on abortion, in a strong bid to lose the 2024 elections.
It's the kooks on the left vs the kooks on the right as to who is more obnoxious, a virtue signal war.
She is a black democrat. If there is one thing black democrats can do, it is to cry racism. All of the time 24/7. And that is probably the biggest reason that black culture lags behind every other culture in the world in prosperity. It only inspires victimhood which is poisonous.
Sounds like a potential shift to Kamala Harris stepping up to replace Biden as the candidate. Or preparing us to expect her to take over very soon after Biden's second (presumed) victory, as he retires due to illness.
Biden redux, or Harris ascendant, or whatever shitty authoritarian Republican candidate who could win in 2024...that's all we have to expect? Oy Vey!
They (meaning the press and big media) really won't stop trying to make that woman waay more than she is. She keeps bringing herself down with her words of profound insight, delivered in that whiny voice, "Community banks are banks in the community".
“And I will tell you, there is no round table, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact: There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”...
Short version: 'shut up, I explained.'
Slightly longer version: 'How dare you mess with my tribalism.'
This would be at least as risky as putting QuidProJoe in the spotlight if the lefties had not succeeded in dumbing down the population.
One...put dingbat Kamala front and center as much as possible.
Two...for DeSantis supporters...they are lying and claiming he is pushing "redeeming" aspects of slavery in public schools. You think that's as low as they'll go? They've got shitloads of vitriol and lies in them, and they're not all reserved for Donald Trump.
Fortunately for Democrats and liberal most of America is filled with dumb shits who believe all this crap. Don't forget your booster!!!
Does anyone, in either party take her seriously on anything?
Even when she makes a reasonable point that nobody disagrees with like "no redeeming features to slavery" her style is so bumbling and wierd that the only proper response I s mockery.
John Henry
PS-didn't her family own slaves in Jamaica?
So her forceful new role is that of administration demagogue with a script to read. Genius marketing if you have the same contempt for your customer that Bud Light's vp did.
Neil Diamond used to sing about "Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show". Maybe Kamala has found a role in which she can be effective. Maybe even forceful. Or maybe she will continue to be Biden's babbling village idiot, full of word salad and not much else. I report. You decide.
Sounds like Harris is the one who wants to 'sanitize history'.
Who built all those slave buildings? Who plowed the fields? How were the rice fields created? How did they fend off alligators? What skills did those slaves develop just to survive?
In Harris' eyes, we are not allowed to know this actual history because slavery is bad.
Her ignorance is bordering on evil.
"C 'mon man! You know? The thing?"
"Kamala Harris" and "forcful" just conjures up some very comedic images.
"Kamala Harris" How to say you're dumber than Joe Biden without saying you're dumber than joe Biden. Jesus god. Of all the women you democrats could have had as a vice president you picked her. I would have like to been in the room when that decision was made.
" Joe Bidens in."
"I know just the person. A woman."
"A woman? Who?"
" Kamala Harris!"
"Kamala Harris?!"
"Aw, christ! We're gonna have to cheat like mad get this over on the electorate."
"It'll be OK they're just a bunch of dumb rubes. Besides with mail in voting on a national scale we can really pack the ballots."
It seems her role is preaching to those most receptive to her message.
As forcefully as she can.
"A community bank is in the COMMUNITY." REALLY forceful.
Kamala is a liar. The left love fierce liars.
Next she can be forceful at the southern border!
s that there was any benefit to being subjected to this level of dehumanization?
”There were no redeeming qualities of slavery.”...
so..
Objectively who are better off NOW? The descendants of the african slaves or the africans that enslaved them?
how's that possible?
"enslaved people developed skills that could be of personal benefit"
I know arguing with progs on the issue is pointless, and the Harris reponse a mindless lie even by prog standards, but really: how is denying such minimal agency to black slaves, sorry, enslaved people, pro-black?
NYT dutifully doing prep work for putting Biden out to pasture.
VP Harris, the Border Czar, is who the story is about, right? I'm sure her role in the campaign, that of saying things most others would be hesitant to state publicly because of the ridicule sure to occur, will be just as effective as she has been at controlling illegal immigration into this country.
And I will tell you, there is no round table, no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate...
"Honey, are you seeing someone else?"
"I won't dignify that with an answer!"
Except it's more than just cowardice (though cowardice is certainly in there) that prompts the refusal to debate.
In this particular case, Harris claims that the Florida curriculum document is positing that "slavery was beneficial to black people," which is a debatable claim in itself - just a really easy one to refute. She knows it's really easy to refute and doesn't want to expose herself to being refuted. Partly cowardice, partly something else.
The "something else" is contained in her next few words:
an undeniable fact
To allow discussion - not even debate! - about the truth or falsity of her claim about what the curriculum document says and intends is to call into question "an undeniable fact." You can't have people questioning dogma; next thing you know, you have the Reformation. Nobody wants that!
So she conjoins "slavery had no benefits," her "undeniable fact" with which we all agree (in the spirit in which it was meant, that it is corrosive to every human's spirit for anyone to think they can own another person, or for any person to think they can be owned; obviously there was a perceived economic benefit at the time, and lots of slaveowners apparently believed that they were doing the "childlike" black people good by keeping them enslaved) with her unsupported assertion that Florida disputes her "undeniable fact," and renders herself immune to contestation. It's like a 4004 B.C.-Earth fundamentalist in an ecumenical gathering saying, "God created the universe, that's undeniable," to which he'd find total agreement in that setting, and following up with, "By saying that it took God longer than seven days to do it, you identify yourself as a heretic. I'm not going to put my soul at risk by engaging with you."
That fundamentalist's coreligionists will applaud his statement and his stance. Everyone else will be like, "What? Shouldn't you be trying to change our minds so we can come to full redemption?"
Cowardice, and simultaneously a desire to appear unyielding in purity to your coreligionists.
To teach that a skill any free man would learn -- providing food, shelter, clothing -- is a benefit of slavery is abominable.
NYT looks to be doing a bit of battlespace preparation for the Dem establishment easing out Scranton's favorite son. Get the popcorn ready!
If you are going to study slavery in America, it should comprehensive. Why wouldn't you discuss that some of the slaves were highly skilled laborers, or that some of them were given proper education? The AP course that Florida rejected agreed; they had the same topic as part of their course, which makes Kamala sound like an idiot. She is an idiot who slept her way into political relevancy, but she is supposed to not make that obvious all the time.
It must be nice to have the media desperately trying to protect you. Of course, they are the media in name only at this point. No one who actually cares about the truth would ever trust them. Basic news reporting would reveal Kamala as an idiot - I mean, it is such a target rich environment that anyone semi-competent could do it - but basic news reporting is for the peasants. The news media are part of the elite, and the elite protect their own.
Dave Begley said...
"I want to see a debate between Kamala and Vivek."
That would be cruel. Funnay as hell, but cruel.
I think in a debate between Kamala Harris and the corpse of Peewee Herman, Peewee Herman would win hands down and be more dignified.
They need to name an Undersecretary for Race Agitation in charge of implementing their Maximum Disunity of Citizens program.
It kinda makes sense if you read forceful the way Sylvester the Cat says it.
Jesus Cook. How fucking much more Authoritarian could the current administration be you fucking asshole? They’re actually imprisoning American citizens on a fucking assembly line you piece of shit.
I'm going to side-step the main thrust of the issue because trying to argue with black people about the idea that it's possible that slavery had benefits both to the enslaved and their progeny, even if you acknowledge that those benefits were not the intent of slavery nor do those benefits make slavery a moral practice is a pointless task.
It's also pointless to argue with liberals over what a Florida law or policy is actually doing. See: "Don't say gay".
Let's get to Kamala Harris saying "so-called leaders". Perhaps she should elaborate on that, because it sounds awfully like she's saying that she does not consider the Florida governor or legislatures to be legitimate, which as we all know is a threat to our democracy and pretty much the ultimate form of treason.
Blogger Sebastian said...
"enslaved people developed skills that could be of personal benefit"
It sounds like this statement was truly approved the the FL Board of Education for 6th thru 8th grade social studies curriculum. I like DeSantis taking on the woke education establishment, but this is just stupid.
"Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play"?
Makes me think about the 20th Massachusetts regiment from the movie "Glory". What slavery taught those men was the desire to fight for their freedom and the freedom of their wrongfully enslaved people.
Kamala Harris is the only VP that could have lent Joe Biden an appearance of gravitas. The woman is an imbecile.
Kamala Harris, the ultimate Affirmative Action hire and prime example of the Peter Principle.
I want to see a debate between Kamala and Vivek.
That will never be allowed to happen. If Tulsi Gabbard can destroy Kamala in a debate, imagine what Vivek could do.
Both Tulsi and Vivek are, of course, White Supremacists,
"Forceful" and "new" joins "stunning" and "brave"
"she said before pausing as the crowd at an African Methodist Episcopal Church event in Orlando erupted in applause. "
She ever meet with white parishioners?
Fun Fact:
"At the PEAK of slavery in 1860, only 1.4% of Americans owned slaves. What your history books (don't) tell you is that 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 slaves the same year."
Source: Politifact
Looks to me like 3,000 black folk managed to benefit from slavery. Of course the question remains. Were their slaver skills something they learned here or was it a skill they brought with them from Africa?
Force is applied with force. Hence the name.
I'm sure that with enough verbal duct tape the media will get the great dirigible Kamalenberg airborne again.
At this point, anyone repeating the bs about slaves, skills, and Florida's curriculum, should be mercilessly and loudly mocked. The ENTIRE curriculum document is available online, as is Charles Cooke's abstraction of the hundred or so mentions of slavery in it.
It takes no more than ten minutes to get the gist. Assuming one can read, that is. Apparently NOT a skill commonly learned in J-Schools.
One of the best-known stories from the Civil War era of a slave who personally benefitted from the skills he was taught as a slave was Festus Flipper, of Thomasville and Atlanta, GA. He was owned by Ephraim G. Ponder, who is my cousin. In the link below is a nice, brief story from the US Army website about Flipper's son, Henry, who was the first black graduate of West Point.
Festus was one of a number of Mr. Ponder's slaves who were highly skilled craftsmen. From the article in the link below:
"[Henry} Flipper was born into slavery on March 21, 1856, in Thomasville, Ga. Both he and his mother, Isabella, were "the property" (sic) of the Rev. Reuben H. Lucky, a Methodist minister. His father, Festus Flipper, was by trade a shoemaker and carriage-trimmer, he was owned by Ephraim G. Ponder, a slave-dealer. When Ponder moved to Atlanta to establish a number of "manufactories," Henry Flipper's parents faced the prospect of a forced separation. They pleaded with both owners to keep them together. Neither was willing to buy the other's slaves, but Lucky did consent to part with Flipper and his mother if a buyer could be found. Festus Flipper finally entered into an agreement to pay for his own wife and child out of his own pocket, with Ponder to return the sum to him whenever convenient."
"As described in the book, conditions in the Ponder household were such that the slaves managed to live a fairly unencumbered existence."
"The Ponders' slaves were, with the exception of the ordinary household servants, trained mechanics who were permitted to handle their own business dealings. They could hire out their services and get paid for it. They could thus accumulate wealth. In addition, one mechanic obtained Mrs. Ponder's permission to use their woodshop at night as a place to teach their children the basics of reading, writing, and arithmetic."
Ephraim Ponder's estate in Atlanta is quite well-known. If you are familiar with the photos of the Atlanta fortifications taken by Sherman's photographer it is the large white house along the northwest fortifications, known as "The Sniper's Nest," that was thoroughly shot up by the Union troops. After the war, Festus Flipper opened a successful shoe and leather repair business that he ran for many years on Decatur St. in downtown Atlanta, drawing on his skills Mr. Ponder sent him to Virginia to learn when he was a young man.
Herny Ossian Flipper
This is only one of what are undoubtedly many other stories like this in the antebellum period.
The most racist four words in English:
"who look like me"
Also nihilistic
Seeing as how she is descended from slave owners who kept their wealth earned from the blood of slaves; seeing as how she kept black American citizens behind bars for cheap labor for the state of California; seeing as how she extended sentences of poor black American citizens, how has she remained viable as a Democrat politician? She sounds like the very definition of a NYT Republican politician
"What has been "forceful" — or "new" — about anything Kamala Harris has done?"
Well. When others were content to take a knee, Kamala took both.
Harris has been the VP for 2 1/2 years. An anyone cite a single thing she has accomplished in that role? She lends credence to my suspicion that many VPs are chosen as life and impeachment insurance.
In Atlanta the old black wealth was started before, during and after The War by freed blacks starting businesses and hiring
black slaves from their white slave owners. Big family wealth came primarily from Barber Shops, Funeral Homes, Life Insurance Companies and Delivery Services. Black slaves were used like rental equipment giving their absentee owners an income stream.
But Kamala’s stories are Disney world specials. And any other history is cancelled. Bet nobody has seen Song of the South which was a hit pre-MLK days.
One more non-entity elevated far beyond her compentence. Welcome to the clown show.
A talented practitioner of “whupping skull”, or so I’ve read.
Gusty Winds said...
Blogger Sebastian said...
"enslaved people developed skills that could be of personal benefit"
"It sounds like this statement was truly approved the the FL Board of Education for 6th thru 8th grade social studies curriculum. I like DeSantis taking on the woke education establishment, but this is just stupid."
Think about it. In many places , in the south, white people were thin on the ground. It only made sense to train the people you already owned to do those things no one else was there to do. On many plantations skilled slaves were hired out and were allowed to keep a portion of what they earned. When there were partys at the "Big House" the guests were expected to tip the serving staff and that money belonged to them. Not the master.
What people don't realize is that on most of the slave owning plantations the slaves were treated like family. Dressing downs were fairly common, but beatings were rare. How else do a handful of white people control scores if not hundreds of slaves?
"In many places , in the south, white people were thin on the ground. It only made sense to train the people you already owned to do those things no one else was there to do. On many plantations skilled slaves were hired out and were allowed to keep a portion of what they earned. When there were partys at the "Big House" the guests were expected to tip the serving staff and that money belonged to them. Not the master.
What people don't realize is that on most of the slave owning plantations the slaves were treated like family. Dressing downs were fairly common, but beatings were rare. How else do a handful of white people control scores if not hundreds of slaves?"
I guess that makes it all righty, then! Shelter, food, tips, "part of the family(ish)," and learning a good trade! It's a wonder no one in Congress is advocating a return to such comprehensive apprenticeship programs!
I have not read the Florida curriculum.
I have read many books by scholars of slavery who studied the effects of the "peculiar institution" while in no way endorsing it. Their scholarship frequently addresses the comparative conditions of sharecroppers and slaves before the war, and conditions for both white and black sharecroppers after the war, as well as the neglected history of indentured servitude of whites in the North and South. Black slaves often had better nutrition and living conditions than white sharecroppers before the war (which makes economic sense only in a cruel way): they definitely had at least as much recourse as white sharecroppers to the courts during Reconstruction (ironically, this power and their living conditions declined to the level of white sharecroppers), and black females appear to have accessed courts more readily than white females during Reconstruction in many regions of the South.
None of these historians neglected the unique horror of slavery, particularly as it related to forced reproduction and separation of families. But living conditions, physical abuse including lynching, starvation, and legal abuse were weapons used against white sharecroppers as well as blacks after the war, and white indentured servants were often treated no differently from slaves. Yet not only did exceedingly poor whites have few advocates: they were widely and later systematically blamed for a system in which they did not participate, except as often-resistant cannon-fodder, right up until today, more than a century and a half later. This vast projection of blame by the very few real slaveowners and their descendents, including black and Jewish slaveholders, onto poor "white trash," is a very important story that does not get taught in schools.
I will not believe the media's claims about the Florida curriculum. I plan to read it soon. If any of it seems objectionable, Robert, I assure you I will object to it. Maybe you have already done so, but if not, you should explore the history of indentured servitude and sharecropping, both hideous institutions as well, affecting whites and blacks.
Robert Cook said,
"I guess that makes it all righty, then! Shelter, food, tips, "part of the family(ish)," and learning a good trade! It's a wonder no one in Congress is advocating a return to such comprehensive apprenticeship programs!"
You know, Bob. Your life is tough enough without going out of your way to be stupid.
Robert Cook said,
"I guess that makes it all righty, then! Shelter, food, tips, "part of the family(ish)," and learning a good trade! It's a wonder no one in Congress is advocating a return to such comprehensive apprenticeship programs!"
You know, Bob. Your life is tough enough without going out of your way to be stupid.
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