Althouse: Sunrise — 6:16, 6:18, 6:20, 6:22.

August 22, 2023

Sunrise — 6:16, 6:18, 6:20, 6:22.

47 comments:

rhhardin said...: I think unwrapping the Stayfree maxipads and opening them up in the garage will produce a supply that is no longer perfumed, for use in bike helmet forehead pads. Anyway I'm trying that.

Probably stringing a line and using clothespins is not necessary.

You do lose the convenient carry pouch.; 8/22/23, 7:10 PM
Big Mike said...: From the New York Post:

“US payroll growth in the year through March may have been weaker than previously reported — to the tune of 500,000 jobs — resulting in less-robust numbers that could make the Fed think twice about further rate hikes, according to a report.”

Y’know, I remember back when you could trust the Bureau of Labor Statistics. A half million is a pretty big miss.; 8/22/23, 7:12 PM
Chuck said...: So in last evening’s open-comments post, I mentioned the then-new story in The Atlantic by John Hendrickson; his long-form essay profiling Vivek Ramaswamy. The point of my open-page comment was to highlight the bizarre Ramaswamy quote that was just then going viral:

“I think it is legitimate to say how many police, how many federal agents, were on the planes that hit the Twin Towers. Maybe the answer is zero. It probably is zero for all I know, right? I have no reason to think it was anything other than zero. But if we’re doing a comprehensive assessment of what happened on 9/11, we have a 9/11 commission, absolutely [that] should be an answer the public knows the answer to.”

After the Atlantic profile was published online, the Ramaswamy quote blew up. After the Ramaswamy quote blew up, the clean up began.

Clean Up on Aisle One: the Comms Director for the Ramaswamy Campaign tried this at first. She stated, “Vivek was referring to Jan. 6, not 9/11, as we have clarified with The Atlantic…" But that was either so indefensible or so weak, that Ramaswamy himself couldn’t let it go.

Clean Up on Aisle Two: as an aside, going back a few weeks ago, Ramaswamy had previously dipped his toes into 9/11 conspiracism. "I don't believe the government has told us the truth," Ramaswamy told Blaze TV host Alex Stein. "I'm driven by evidence and data. What I've seen in the last several years is we have to be skeptical of what the government does tell us. He added, "I haven't seen evidence to the contrary, but do I believe everything the government told us about it? Absolutely not. Do I believe the 9/11 Commission? Absolutely not."

Clean Up on Aisle Three: Ramaswamy goes on CNN with Kaitlyn Collins and turns completely defensive. He accused The Atlantic of misquoting him and accused John Hendrickson of refusing to turn over the recording of the interview.

Clean Up on Aisle Five: The Atlantic, today, publishes the audio. They had the Ramaswamy quote right. Shortly after that, Ramaswamy appears on Fox where Martha McCallum played part of the audio and confronted Ramaswamy about it. Only prompting Ramaswamy to go on attack again, blaming “the left wing media.”

This is all a window into Ramaswamy. He’s got a lot of Trump in him. Either that, or he’s learned a lot of Trumpiness. And I mean that in the most disparaging and insulting way imaginable. It’s the old firehose of lies. Lie so fast and so furiously with such nondescript language that you avoid any and all accountability.; 8/22/23, 7:21 PM
Big Mike said...: I found this quotation thanks to Glenn Reynolds over on Instapundit:

"The case against science is straightforward: much of the scientific literature, perhaps half,
may simply be untrue. Afflicted by studies with small sample sizes, tiny effects, invalid exploratory analyses, and flagrant conflicts of interest, together with an obsession for pursuing fashionable trends of dubious importance, science has taken a turn
towards darkness.

Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet

In the article Reynolds links to Horton goes on to make the disquieting observation that scientists have numerous incentives to get published, but no incentives at all to be right.; 8/22/23, 7:27 PM
Breezy said...: That’s such an incredible and beautiful sunrise sequence! Wow.; 8/22/23, 7:40 PM
gilbar said...: here's Another chance, for people like Mr We evil to say:
a) These are ALL, Nothing but LIES!!!
b) Besides, we've Always known about ALL these things; All Old NEWS!
c) Colonel Douglas Macgregor is an IMPROPER SOURCE!! DO NOT LISTEN!
d) Tucker Carlson? 'nuf said!!
e) gilbar is personally stupid!! and THAT means, you shouldn't listen to this!
Ep. 18 Into the abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now.; 8/22/23, 7:58 PM
tim in vermont said...: I listened to that Prince and Dickens audiobook, which was OK, I didn't mind though, missing long stretches if I dozed off, but that made me download the Pickwick Papers audiobook from Audible. Like the writer of the Prince and Dickens book, I had Dickens forced on me in school, and never liked it. Probably from the pressure to read so many pages. I am kind of embarrassed to admit that I never got Dickens in school, but what a great book, and what a great performance on Audible. I look forward to listening to a chapter or two a day for the next few weeks, or maybe months, I haven't worked it out. For sure I never feel like dozing off.; 8/22/23, 8:44 PM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: Chuck - Got anything to say about The Biden family corruption ? Kinda a big deal compared to something Vivek said. you know- free speech.

You , like most loyal leftists, seem more bothered by speech you don't like or agree with - than actual criminal behavior.; 8/22/23, 9:11 PM
Mason G said...: "In the article Reynolds links to Horton goes on to make the disquieting observation that scientists have numerous incentives to get published, but no incentives at all to be right."

Richard Horton- The Lancet? The same Lancet as this? Concerned with incentives to be right?

Apologies for reposting that link if you already saw it in another thread, but it's hard to believe anybody could possibly be so intentionally deceptive. Everyone's free, of course, to have an agenda but once you have established yours with such misleading drivel, you're in no position to complain about others having "no incentives at all to be right".; 8/22/23, 9:27 PM
gilbar said...: i've asked before, but i have to ask again...
Do you WANT to live in a world where gangs of vicious otters attempt to rape and murder innocent women?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/succession-actress-crystal-finn-hospitalized-after-being-attacked-by-a-group-of-otters/ar-AA1fs6hk?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"I felt something on my backside and on my leg," Finn told the San Francisco Chronicle in an interview published Wednesday. "I started looking around and yelling out and [the otters] popped up right in front of me. Then they dove down and started going at me again."

Finn said there were three otters in total. She was eventually able to swim to safety on a nearby rock, but not before they had done their damage.

"I could see the bites on my legs and knew I had been bitten on my butt — that one was the worst..; 8/22/23, 9:30 PM
Chuck said...: Apologies; I accidentally edited out 'Clean Up on Aisle Four' in my comment above. It was one of my favorites, because Vivek managed to drag Scott "I no longer care about the fucking law" Adams into the fray.
Clean Up on Aisle Four: Ramaswamy re-X's our old buddy Scott Adams. Adams jumped into the fight before The Atlantic released the audio recording of Ramaswamy saying exactly what The Atlantic had originally reported. Woops! A story that takes down Ramaswamy and Adams at the same time. Sweet. Tweet.; 8/22/23, 9:44 PM
Chuck said...: Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
Chuck - Got anything to say about The Biden family corruption ?

In the grand tradition of the Althouse blog, I would be pleased to craft for you a custom essay concerning The Biden Family Corruption. For $400/hr. My standard essay rate.; 8/22/23, 9:54 PM
Dr Weevil said...: Does anyone here know 'gilbar' in real life? If so, please try to convince him to seek help as soon as possible for his incoherent drunken (or drugged?) rage-posting and hypocritical narcissist assholery. It's deeply unhealthy to attack people who have not even commented on a post, to do so with moronic insults and gross misrepresentations, and especially to put words in their mouths, as he does in his 7:58pm and has done several times before. Does he think people who disagree with him are all puppets? If you want to know what I think about something, ask, don't tell what you think I'm somehow supposed to think.

It is particularly revealing that he thinks I would say "gilbar is personally stupid!!": I would never use double quotations marks, or all caps as he does elsewhere, but his argument is in fact stupid, as his subconscious seems to be desperately telling him. Col. Douglas Macgregor has been predicting imminent military disaster for Ukraine from the very first days of the Russian invasion, and he has been wrong on every single prediction so far. You do in fact have to be very stupid to believe him now. (Pekka Kallioniemi's Vatnik Soup has a whole thread about him - he's that notorious in his untrustworthiness: link.)

Whether the help 'gilbar' so desperately needs would best come from a psychiatrist or an exorcist is question best left to those who know him in real life.; 8/22/23, 10:17 PM
Big Mike said...: @Mason G, I think your chart is from 2023, correct? The quote Glenn Reynolds linked to is from circa 2015 IIRC. I guess in the interim he decided “if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.” Don’t know.; 8/22/23, 10:18 PM
WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...: Broken promises

Orange man phony.; 8/22/23, 10:18 PM
chickelit said...: I like Ramaswamy’s Trumpiness. I detest Chuck’s uppity Michigan Romneyness.; 8/22/23, 10:28 PM
gadfly said...: gilbar said...
here's Another chance, for people like Mr We evil to say:
a) These are ALL, Nothing but LIES!!!
b) Besides, we've Always known about ALL these things; All Old NEWS!
c) Colonel Douglas Macgregor is an IMPROPER SOURCE!! DO NOT LISTEN!
d) Tucker Carlson? 'nuf said!!
e) gilbar is personally stupid!! and THAT means, you shouldn't listen to this!
Ep. 18 Into the Abyss: Colonel Douglas Macgregor tells us why the Ukraine war must end now.

No problem for MAGA types. Advise Trump to take a trip on the Reading to Ukraine (do not pass GO and don't waste any time) to perform a turnkey shutdown of Putin's War.; 8/22/23, 10:40 PM
wildswan said...: I've been thinking:
Snow White was a princess and became a queen. So, she had a position of power from which she was being excluded and which the prince helped her regain and extend. I wonder if they're going to try to claim that she will become a corporate [Disney] executive and that this would be more empowering.

Snow White's problem was the jealousy of another woman who wanted to be "fairest of them all." So, an encounter with a malicious narcissist. I wonder how the feminists will handle that situation. It happens.

I wonder if the first movie wasn't really a representation of several common stories for men and women which are interwoven together. That's how the Grimm brothers understood folklore and it's why they gathered their collection. A Snow White which is merely a single-noted feminist story is an impoverishment. Maybe "Disney" should acknowledge its cultural appropriation, drop the project, rename itself Grimhilde* Productions and go on from there, making up its own stories.

*The name of The Queen in Snow White (1937).; 8/22/23, 11:08 PM
Rosalyn C. said...: Sublime photos!; 8/23/23, 2:37 AM
farmgirl said...: Rh- pretty sure they sell those things in an unscented version.
You’re cute, though.; 8/23/23, 3:56 AM
rhhardin said...: famrgirl my complaint is that there's no warning on the package. You think you're getting perfectly good bicycle helmet forehead pads and they spring this in you.; 8/23/23, 5:20 AM
The Crack Emcee said...: I've been taking some strong positions when waking from a drunken stupor - so I've also been keeping them short.

Yer welcome.; 8/23/23, 6:29 AM
tim in vermont said...: Putin's war. LOL,

Averting such scenarios [simultaneous war with Russia and China] should not only or primarily be a concern for the U.S. military; it is also the job of U.S. diplomacy. Indeed, diplomacy in its highest form has historically been used for precisely this purpose, as an instrument for rearranging power in space and time to avoid fighting numerous enemies at once. This role—the sequencing of rivalries—should be the central preoccupation of American diplomacy today. Rather than trying to contain Russia and China simultaneously, the United States needs to find a way to stagger its contests with these two powers to ensure that it does not face both at the same time in a war. . - National Interest 2021

Yes, we need to provoke a war with Russia on our timetable, and get it out of the way before the inevitable war with China! Better yet, we will use Ukrainians to do the killing and dying for us. I have an idea, Putin has said that bringing Ukraine into NAO would cross a red line! So that means that all we have to do to start the war on our timetable is to cross Putin's "red line," we can start a war with Putin whenever we want!

A couple of months after this article appeared, Biden wrote a letter to Ukraine promising them entry into NATO, a letter to which Putin responded with a speech, which the West mocked and ridiculed, we never picked up the phone. A couple of months after that, Zelensky's forces began a offensive into Donbas, where 14,000 ethnic Russians had died since the coup in 2014, because they refused to recognize the new government installed by a US backed violent coup in 2014, which was extremely anti-Russian, even, maybe especially anti ethnic-Russian Ukrainians, and Putin had already massed forces on the border, and bingo! A hot war. And we don't even have to fight it!

This was an avoidable war, never needed to be fought, but the Biden toadies keep cheering it on. Imagine if Russia had backed a coup in Quebec, and then began arming Quebec with weapons that could threaten Washington. The war would be on in days, and I would back it.; 8/23/23, 6:31 AM
Iman said...: “I think unwrapping the Stayfree maxipads and opening them up in the garage will produce a supply that is no longer perfumed, for use in bike helmet forehead pads. Anyway I'm trying that.”

That was John Lennon’s favorite headwear nearly half a century ago.; 8/23/23, 7:30 AM
tim in vermont said...: The funny thing about that article referenced above "A Strategy for Avoiding a Two Front War," the funny thing is that there was another strategy for avoiding fighting Russia and China together out at the same time, it involved buying off Putin, probably with concessions on Ukraine's neutrality, lifting of the sanctions over Russia's taking of Crimea after we put our people in charge in Kiev, let's let bygones be bygones, right?

Little did those peaceniks who wanted to join up with Russia against China know, but that Russia's arch-enemy had already bought and paid for the new US President, Joe Biden, and they were in no mood bo be a bargaining chip in US-China geo-strategy.; 8/23/23, 7:35 AM
Rusty said...: rhhardin said...
I can't determine if this should be a TV show or a cry for an intervention.; 8/23/23, 7:40 AM
gilbar said...: Mr We Evil would be BORING, if he wasn't So Hilariously Predictable.; 8/23/23, 7:50 AM
MadTownGuy said...: Mason G said...

["In the article Reynolds links to Horton goes on to make the disquieting observation that scientists have numerous incentives to get published, but no incentives at all to be right."]

"Richard Horton- The Lancet? The same Lancet as this? Concerned with incentives to be right?

Apologies for reposting that link if you already saw it in another thread, but it's hard to believe anybody could possibly be so intentionally deceptive. Everyone's free, of course, to have an agenda but once you have established yours with such misleading drivel, you're in no position to complain about others having "no incentives at all to be right"."

Your statement is a sort of ad hominem against the Lancet, understandable of course, given its history, but it doesn't make the case that this particular article is false. Here's a link to Horton's article:
Offline: What is medicine's 5 sigma?.

Here's an outline of his statements in support:
- "The apparent endemicity of bad research behaviour is alarming. In their quest for telling a compelling story, scientists too often sculpt data to fit their preferred theory of the world. Or they retrofit hypotheses to fit their data."

- "Part of the problem is that no-one is incentivised to be right. Instead, scientists are incentivised to be productive and innovative." (I'll add that being right is disincentivized if it goes against the approved narrative. This quote is from the first paragraph of the article: 'A lot of what is published is incorrect.” I'm not allowed to say who made this remark because we were asked to observe Chatham House rules. We were also asked not to take photographs of slides. Those who worked for government agencies pleaded that their comments especially remain unquoted, since the forthcoming UK election meant they were living in “purdah”—a chilling state where severe restrictions on freedom of speech are placed on anyone on the government's payroll."

- "(Physicist Tony)Weidberg worried we set the bar for results in biomedicine far too low. In particle physics, significance is set at 5 sigma—a p value of 3 × 10–7 or 1 in 3·5 million (if the result is not true, this is the probability that the data would have been as extreme as they are). The conclusion of the symposium was that something must be done."

I give the Lancet props for retracting a study it published because of the researcher's dodgy credentials and nonexistent data: The Lancet retracts large study on hydroxychloroquine.

What facts do you present to controvert Horton's claim?; 8/23/23, 8:19 AM
planetgeo said...: @gilbar, how long have you had "Writer's Tourette Syndrome"?; 8/23/23, 8:39 AM
gilbar said...: https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-counteroffensive-b06589fa?mod=hp_lead_pos7
..“I’m a 300!” Soviet-era code for a battlefield casualty. By the end of the day, only three of the five-strong team would be able to fight on.

This is what the Ukrainian counteroffensive looks like after two months: a slow and bloody advance on foot.
When the Ukrainians launched their assaults at the start of June, their Western-supplied tanks and armored vehicles struggled to advance under withering fire from helicopters, antitank missiles and artillery.

So in late June, Ukraine switched tactics, and started advancing methodically in small units, a new phase in the conflict that is proving to be arduous, slow and risky.

Comments, anyone? Mr We Evil??
Care to "explain" how the Wall Street Journal is NOT a "proper" source?
Or do you want to stick with the basic "gilbar is stupid" line, that's Worked SO WELL in the past?; 8/23/23, 8:54 AM
Owen said...: Spectacular pics.; 8/23/23, 8:55 AM
Humperdink said...: For those who thinks Colonel Douglas MacGregor is a blooming idiot should read the Wiki post on his life. He achieved huge success in his career. He continuosly thinks outside the military complex box. Because of that, his military career was derailed. Interestingly, his books are used as teaching tools by other military leaders and the Israelie defense forces.

In talking a Marine officer friend of mine, he related there are two types of military officers, armchair officers and fighting officers. MacGregor leads the latter group.; 8/23/23, 9:11 AM
Rocco said...: rhhardin said...
"I think unwrapping the Stayfree maxipads and opening them up in the garage will produce a supply that is no longer perfumed, for use in bike helmet forehead pads. Anyway I'm trying that."

Better hope nobody replaces the light bulb in the light outside your garage with a red one.; 8/23/23, 9:20 AM
Chuck said...: Here we are again with Althouse comments moderation. A pair of comments that I wrote and submitted last night, are still not appearing this morning. If it were simply a matter of Althouse getting around to moderating and publishing comments, it would be understandable. But certain comments -- including one of mine -- are posted, while other comments from last night (like, 12 hours ago) are not.

Bothersome to me is the fact that I wrote a corrected update to my original comment. And it isn't posted. My subsequent comment, like the first one, was not objectionable under any sensible moderation policy.

As of this writing, there are 27 comments, many of them from this morning. But clearly (for me anyway, not from last night.) It is strange, and almost unreadable/unusable, when comments are held and then posted much later, tucked into the chronology of when they were submitted by the commenters.; 8/23/23, 9:28 AM
Dr Weevil said...: Humperdink (9:11pm):
No one is saying Macgregor is an idiot. Vatnik Soup (linked above) specifically praises him for his successes in battle and his books, before going on to outline how he has been utterly wrong in his predictions about Ukraine right from the start. Here's another example from commenter 'somedood' at Ace of Spades (comment 209 on last night's Overnight Thread):

"There is a lot of stuff to bitch about re: Ukraine, but if you want to be taken seriously then anything from MacGregor is not a good place to start if you don't want to look like an idiot.

"The catalog of his video titles going back the last year and a half pretty much speaks for itself."

To repeat, Macgregor is not stupid, but he is and has been utterly wrong about Ukraine. It's the people who quote him as an authority on Ukraine who are stupid. And not "Hilariously Predictable" (more childish unnecessary capitalization) but shamefully, depressingly, contemptibly predictable.

There is abundant evidence that the Russians are losing and know it. A Major and all his men were captured by a ruse in Kherson a few weeks ago, and the Ukrainians filmed him the next day showing them on a map where all his troops were positioned. Just yesterday, the pilot of an Mi-8 helicopter defected to Ukraine, bringing them a lot of jet-fighter spare parts he'd been transporting as well as his helicopter. The fact is that the Russian army is the one near collapse, and anyone who wants to know the truth can easily find it.; 8/23/23, 11:01 AM
Rusty said...: gilbar said...

"Comments, anyone? Mr We Evil??
Care to "explain" how the Wall Street Journal is NOT a "proper" source?
Or do you want to stick with the basic "gilbar is stupid" line, that's Worked SO WELL in the past?"
I got to get around the maxipad thing first.
OK.Switch gears.
Russia traditionally throws manpower at its military problems. Which may be why they go through so many men and material. They are really bad a cordinating tanks and infantry.; 8/23/23, 11:28 AM
gilbar said...: You can TELL,
that Mr We Evil's arguments are "ROCK SOLID" by the way he calls ANYONE that disagrees with him "STUPID".
Right? Mr We Evil? that's The reason WHY you MUST resort to insults to ANYONE that disagrees?; 8/23/23, 11:46 AM
Mason G said...: "What facts do you present to controvert Horton's claim?"

I'm not disputing anyone's claim. My issue with The Lancet is their intentionally misleading presentation of the comparison of heat-related vs. cold-related deaths in an apparent attempt to further the current "global boiling" narrative that seems to have captured the attention of so many.; 8/23/23, 12:36 PM
Dr Weevil said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/23/23, 1:40 PM
Dr Weevil said...: Do I give "insults to ANYONE that disagrees" with me? That is an obvious lie. I do insult the commentator who repeatedly insults me in childish ways, writes as if he's drunk or drugged or barely half-sane (all those capital letters), and can't even stop himself from gratuitously insulting me in threads where I have posted nothing. Anyone who cares to argue like an honest man and a grown-up will find me very easy to get along with.

As a wise man once said, "Stupid is as stupid does", and 'gilbar' keeps doing stupid, stupid things: I can only conclude that he is in fact stupid. Note that he has yet to admit that I did not call Col. Macgregor stupid, or to admit that Col. Macgregor has in fact been consistently wrong on everything he's said about Ukraine. He doesn't seem at all interested in rational argument.; 8/23/23, 2:56 PM
Narr said...: NPR reports TASS reports that Prigozhin is dead in a plane crash. Interesting if true, and even more interesting if not.

As for Colonel MacGregor, I remember seeing him on Tucker before the Special Military Operation was more than a gleam in Putin's eye, warning us that our (us, US) forces were woefully and shamefully unprepared to confront first class enemies.

He clearly meant Russians and Chinese; the Russian army in its current instantiation may need a downgrade.

After the SMO began Col. Mac made confident predictions of imminent Russian victory every time Tucker had him on. That speaks for itself, and I haven't followed him--or Tucker--lately.

As a historian, confident prediction is not in my wheelhouse, but I do enjoy watching confident predictors fail.; 8/23/23, 3:07 PM
Humperdink said...: Someone once quipped that to be an accurate prognosticator one must: "Give them a number or give them a date, never give them both".

MacGregor's mistake (re: Ukraine) was that he predicted Ukraine would lose and it would happen within weeks. He was wrong on the timing.; 8/23/23, 4:37 PM
Narr said...: War is the most unpredictable of human activities, and the one where timing is most important.

Looks like Putin never learned, and Col. Mac forgot.; 8/23/23, 6:09 PM
gilbar said...: Mr We Evil said..
I do insult the commentator who repeatedly insults me in childish ways, writes as if he's drunk or drugged or barely half-sane

And the Very FIRST thing, that Mr We Evil EVER said to me, was he called me "stupid". 1st thing, Ever
Why? Because i was posting something he disagreed with. Now, he is INCAPABLE of NOT insulting me.
WHY? presumably, he thinks it is persuasive.. To Someone.; 8/23/23, 7:55 PM
gilbar said...: Mr We Evil also said..
He doesn't seem at all interested in rational argument.

I'm STILL waiting for one from you.. Surely you'd Give one, if you Could; but you CAN'T, so You WON'T; 8/23/23, 7:57 PM
Dr Weevil said...: When someone quotes a war hero and distinguished author as an authority on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and I point out that every single prediction that hero-author has made about Ukraine has proven false so far, that is in fact a rational argument. One that 'gilbar' can't seem to respond to, though Narr and Humperdink and 'somedood' seem to broadly agree with my assessment of Macgregor.

Here's a further reinforcement of my point: John McCain, Oliver North, and Curtis LeMay were all war heroes who went into politics in later years and did some inept and even disgraceful things as politicians. That Macgregor served heroically does not make him an authority on Ukraine. I've read that he's never so much as visited the country. His testimony is in fact worthless. And what I just wrote is again a rational argument.

As for gilbar's claim that the first thing I ever said to him was to call him "stupid", he needs to provide a link to back up that allegation. What was that thing that I "disagreed with"? Was it perhaps something so obviously wrong as to be in fact stupid? No way to tell until gilbar provides a link. The fact that he lies about my supposed lack of rational arguments suggests that he is lying about who started our feud, or rather his nasty petty little campaign against me.

And he might want to consider that the one who is "INCAPABLE of NOT insulting" someone (all-caps again?) is not me, but himself. He did so on this very thread, where I had not yet posted a word on any subject. Why? And why has he not noticed that I rarely, if ever, disagree with him or 'tim in vermont' or Drago or several other Ukraine-haters on other subjects such as the Bidens, or Trump, or inflation, or crooked elections, or otters, or a hundred other topics, only about Ukraine? That's because I tend to agree with them (and disagree with Chuck and Inga and Mark) on most non-Ukraine issues.; 8/23/23, 9:21 PM
Humperdink said...: This comment has been removed by the author.; 8/24/23, 5:49 AM

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