August 11, 2023

"In a recent study, a team of marketing professors looked at how service employees perceive 'customer deviant behaviors,' which include minor infractions like incivility and aggression..."

"... as well as more serious offenses like shoplifting and fraudulent returns. The researchers found that shoplifting was 'by far' the most prevalent and detrimental form of deviant behavior. According to the study, in the presence of a suspected thief the burden of policing often falls to frontline employees, who, depending on company policy, may be expected to guard the store, stand by passively or even assist the thieves as if they were paying customers. These behaviors leave employees feeling frustrated, angry, helpless, targeted, unmotivated and uncomfortable. Allowing shoplifting to continue unimpeded, the authors found, undermines the sense of pride they might otherwise find in their work and the workplace.... Because retailers continue to struggle with underemployment and employee retention, stores are often more sparsely staffed than they once were, and all the more grim. On a recent shopping excursion in Manhattan, I saw something I’d never seen before: a handwritten sign in the window of a major clothing chain, apologizing for closing for an hour midday because of understaffing...."

Writes Pamela Paul, in "What We Lose to Shoplifting" (NYT).

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

109 comments:

The Crack Emcee said...

"New Age is establishing itself as the hegemonic ideology of global capitalism." - Slavoj Žižek, 2001

The process is almost complete. They've already given away the store.

This whole country is learning, everything I tried to tell you, waaaay too late.

cassandra lite said...

Supposed to assist the shoplifters?

Coming soon: One of those ordinary-guy-or-gal-who-for-a-good-reason-takes-up-a-life-of-crime-and-we-root-for-his/her-success movies or TV series that begins with an employee who, seeing shoplifters empty out the store without consequence, decides, "Fuck it, what's the point of working for twelve bucks an hour when I can steal hundreds of dollars worth of stuff multiple times a day and fence it for cash?"

DanTheMan said...

>>It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

It's amazing that stopping theft is now considered wrong.

Quaestor said...

It’s not amazing, but to be expected anywhere decent law enforcement exists.

Jersey Fled said...

The Whole Foods store near me in a very affluent suburban area near Philadelphia now has a security person in the checkout area near the exit. He looks like retired military or law enforcement. Not someone to be trifled with.

This is what the world is coming to under the Democrats

Spiros said...

We're also going to lose the loud noises, bright lights and sensory input that make shopping fun for some people and terrible for others (i.e., introverts, autistic types, etc.).

RideSpaceMountain said...

"It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

Never ascribe to incompetence what can be ascribed to malice. In the last 13 years I have stopped believing in coincidences, and have begun to believe that forces are deliberately and maliciously engaging in 'creative destruction' of industry clusters and consumer habits that directly benefit another industry.

Speaking of "stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in" still existing, did you hear the new UPS contract puts a higher-end pay cap for driver's at $170,000? What a coincidence!

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Our president is a crook. What's a little theft and shop-lifting to kick up inflation and destroy our common bond?

Sebastian said...

"Allowing shoplifting to continue unimpeded"

Progs want it. As a form of redistribution and reparations. Private property, respect for employees, abiding by basic norms--that means nothing. Until the nice women of America join the resistance, prog policy will continue.

Cappy said...

That sucks. Good incentive to improve skills and move out of that role.

gilbar said...

stand by passively or even assist the thieves as if they were paying customers..
undermines the sense of pride they might otherwise find in their work..
stores are often more sparsely staffed than they once were, and all the more grim..

Who WOULDN'T Want, to work at a place like that???
</sarc

mikee said...

Store owners eventually might realize that if shoplifters are not arrested, tried, convicted and punished, the shop workers have zero incentive not to steal from the store, too. Considering their low pay and lower status, shop workers now have a positive incentive to steal from the owner, since there is no penalty for doing so.

mikee said...

Other than losing their jobs, after which they can still steal from the store, without penalty, and without having to wake up early to go to work.

typingtalker said...

"It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

Amazon smiles ...

rehajm said...

Many Boston retailers run half day, even though the hours posted are 11-5…

If you reduce the incentives to shoplift you'll get less shoplifting. Making it illegal again would go a long way…

Buckwheathikes said...

"These behaviors leave employees feeling frustrated, angry, helpless, targeted, unmotivated and uncomfortable ..."

Why? It's because these employees are not themselves thieves. They're too scared.

The solution to this problem of employees feeling frustrated and angry then is for the employees to themselves become thieves and shoplift whenever they are not working.

Should an employer "deputize" an employee against that employee's wishes? When I signed on to cashier at Wal-Mart "policing" was not in the job description. I'm not risking my life for billionaires to have one more yacht to water-ski behind.

What is happening in the United States is a fraud: The government is committing a fraud against the citizens. It takes our tax money, promises to do the policing with that money ... but then DOESN'T DO IT. This saves "the government" a lot of money that the government can then redirect to 7-figure pensions for "the government" that we would NEVER vote for ourselves.

It's a fraud. Yet we cannot sue our government over this fraud because the judges have allowed the fraud. They are also benefiting by the fraud also.

So ... if you want to eliminate your frustration, just look around at the world as it exists. Not as you wish it could be.

And start stealing stuff. You'll feel a LOT better.

Wilbur said...

AA: "It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

What's amazing to me is that we have ceded ANY ground - moral, legal, philosophical - to the thieves and predators among us.

I detest a thief. And if you don't, then you won't mind if somebody steals your stuff, right?

rehajm said...

Online is horrible from a customer perspective. I ordered a special made item in June and it supposedly made it all the way to the FedEx truck out for delivery, then FedEx lost it. I now know what the inside of three FedEx shipping centers in my area look like. Customer service at the manufacturer never answer the phone. Leave a message and we’ll get back to you, they say. They never do, but I did get a response to my emails- FedEx tried to deliver it!…they say…

Yah, I know…sigh…

Gusty Winds said...

Soon Milwaukee will start robbing the Amazon vans and they won't want to go their either.

Democrats condone shoplifting as some sort of charity.

They pretend every shop lifter is Jean Valjean.

Gusty Winds said...

There is so much crime, shoplifting, burglaries, robberies, car thefts and crazy driving repeat offenders...Soros funded liberal Milwaukee DA John Chisolm couldn't prosecute all of it even if we wanted to. (He doesn't want to; that was the plan).

Retail jobs used to be great for high school kids. Now, unless you're in a safe community like the ones in Waukesha County, why would you want to risk your teenager working retail in an American city?? It's not worth it.



Gusty Winds said...

Although I am not a shoplifting proponent, there is something satisfying watching a Nike store get looted. Overpriced prestige product marketed to America's poor and produced by just above Asian slave labor.

Robert Cook said...

The stores might go a long way to improving their staffing and employee morale if they paid higher salaries and improved (or provided) employee benefits, as well as treating their employees with respect and consideration, (in those companies where all such niceties are not already the norm).

Temujin said...

"It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

No. Some of us still like to see the product, hold it, touch it. Particularly if quality matters. Or in fashion, style- you want to feel the materials. Now- if you know what you are buying, know the product, or if it's just something prepackaged and you're looking for price- then you do it online.

What's amazing to me is how easily and quickly Western Civilization quit on itself and relinquished civil society to the thugs. Why would any employee of any company have any pride in anything they are doing if the leadership doesn't care enough to protect the employees, the product, and the brand itself?

We have the worst group of leaders in our history- and not just politically speaking. But in business, education, and pretty much all areas of our lives. How did we get to be this way? (My guess: generations of Pablo Freire-influenced education has an effect on a society.)

Robert Cook said...

"It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

Why do you think so? I prefer to go to a physical store. It allows me to touch and examine the products in person, as well as to discover by chance other products for sale I might not otherwise have known existed. Buying online is a fine convenience, but shopping is very often about more than just convenience. It's also a social experience. Depending on what I'm buying, I often prefer walking in, making my choice, and going home with the product in my possession, rather than waiting for a package to be shipped, (even with expedited shipping).

Kate Danaher said...

I have often wondered why there aren't more shops similar to Argos (big UK chain). You order the item you want online, get code, go to the shop and enter the code in a kiosk, pay for it, and then collect it at the counter. https://www.argos.co.uk/

Gahrie said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

Not for much longer in some communities. Which of course will be blamed on racism instead of unchecked crime.

Mountain Maven said...

Stores in cities will go away as losses rise and customers leave. It's been years since I visited a big city.

Leland said...

The study makes sense to me. I've worked in a grocery store, so have my children. For most people, it isn't a career, but a step to building a work ethic while making some money. Which is my way of saying it doesn't pay well enough to make a living, but well enough to build an ethic. We used to call them entry level jobs.

You go into work. You fill the shelves with goods, "face them" so that the rows of goods look enticing to customers. You take money from customers for goods, and the majority of people feel great about the transaction. And you get a paycheck every two weeks that makes it worthwhile.

Then a person comes into the store. They only want what is free, which is anything they can carry. They knock stuff off the shelves into whatever container they have to carry it away, walk past the chumps standing in line to pay for their goods, and leave the store without compensating for the work you did and leaving you with more work to do to clean up the mess they made. You are supposed to just let it happen, because some 6 to 7 figure DA doesn't think it is worth policing this bad behavior?

You can't guard the store, because at best you can only detain the person and maybe recover your goods. However, in the process of detaining them, you might just commit what that DA does consider a crime (false imprisonment, assault, etc...). You can stand by passively, which not only pisses off the chumps that will soon no longer be paying customers, but you also watch as the shoplifter makes a mess of your store (that you are going to clean up). The least you can do is go educate the shoplifter to be neater with their theft, so that there is less work to do later.

The results is the employees go find another job or join in the theft, perhaps both. The stores can't retain goods or employees, so they close down. The paying customers are left with fewer options. And while delivery may be an option, the shoplifters will just steal from your porch. You can do curbside delivery, but then you'll be robbed. But at the very least, stuff that people need urgently but don't necessarily keep in home stock (most often medicine) can no longer be obtained.

I'm sure somewhere in this, Trump is to blame.

JAORE said...

"
It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

My wife buys a lot of things online. We return a dismal percentage of those items due to color being "off" from what she expected or clothing not fitting right.

I like to hold it, tap it and (for clothing) try it on before I buy.

The world is progressing right over a cliff.

Rich said...

I would guess shoplifting is done by a small number of individuals rather than bored teenagers.

As reported by the Times earlier this year: "Nearly a third of all shoplifting arrests in New York City last year involved just 327 people . . . Collectively, they were arrested and rearrested more than 6,000 times".
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arrests-nyc.html

Narayanan said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.
========
can trips to such exotice places termed mini/mirco travel?

SeanF said...

No kidding.

This point is also missed by people who insist you can't shoot burglars because "a TV isn't worth a human life". A TV may be all the burglar is gaining, but it's not even close to all the resident is losing.

Richard said...

To state the obvious, if society allows shoplifting to continue unimpeded, then most physical stores will close. You can't shoplift from Amazon.

Kevin said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

It happens gradually, then suddenly.

After that, the blaming on Trump commences.

Tina Trent said...

At the Dawsonville Outlet Mall, employees of some stores like Ralph Lauren are instructed in writing and training to do nothing when organized gangs of spree robbers descend, shove shoppers and employees, and make off with armfuls of clothes. This happens weekly. A local reporter told me her editor wouldn't let her write about it. Employees will be fired if the act to stop the robbers or call 911. Instead, the manager has to be contacted; he has to call corporate, and corporate decides if they will call the police, which they don't. So that store gets hit over and over again. Other stores in the mall have different policies and don't get hit, but this behavior endangers everyone shopping there. Kroger instructs its employees similarly and does not inform them of even armed robberies occurring to other employeed in their parking lots as night workers are held up when they arrive.

Someone will eventually be killed. If I were a Ralph Lauren employee, or even an employee of an adjoining mall store, I would organize and sue the shit out of them for exposing me to danger, PTSD, and depriving me of the right to protect myself by calling 911. Anyone seeking attorneys who specialize in this type of law can and should call their State Bar association or the National Crime Victim Bar Association.

It's time to fight back.

Randomizer said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

That's a problem in cities and states run by radical progressive Democrats.

It's amazing that those Sikhs who gave a stick beating to a cigarette robber were in danger of being charged.

The problem isn't that the progressive Democrats have stopped supporting law and order, it's that they actively encourage and protect criminals and chaos to advance racial justice and equity.

Michael K said...

A jeweler I knew had the ability to lock the door to his shop remotely, plus he got a big dog. Worked like a charm.

Of course, with Soros funded DAs, the employee would get charged.

robother said...

"Allowing shoplifting to continue unimpeded, the authors found, undermines the sense of pride they might otherwise find in their work and the workplace...."

I'm sure that pride in your work and workplace is the very essence of what progressives call White Privilege, or false consciousness. Undermining police enforcement and using threat of lawsuits to get employers to fire employees who try to prevent retail theft is dismantling the petit bourgoise culture literally, bankrupting the small businesses that are its beating heart.

Of course, Bezos and Amazon stand ready to pick up the pieces of the economy they don't already own. Notice that the porch theft resulting from cancelling police enforcement in Blue cities is the customer's problem, not affecting Amazon's bottom line.

Yancey Ward said...

If I were a service employee, I would get fired within a week because I would keep a tazer handy to incapacitate shoplifters so that I could restock their loot and drag their asses out onto the sidewalk.

Lilly, a dog said...

I enjoy stealing
It's just as simple as that
Well, it's just a simple fact
When I want something,
I don't want to pay for it
I walk right through the door
Walk right through the door

tim maguire said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

Makes you wonder if Jeff Bezos is also backing the Soros prosecutors.

traditionalguy said...

Take your pick: porch pirates or shop lifting mobs. Ending enforcement of law ends laws itself. And lawlessness wins.

The mystery is why employees don’t steal everything first.

Static Ping said...

It is not like getting rid of physical stores would really help. It just moves the shoplifting to people's front doors, not to mention robbing train cars and delivery trucks. I don't think arguing with a knife wielding drug addict as he tries to make off with my packages is an improvement.

Physical stores have lots of advantages over virtual ones. You can get things now when you need them, as opposed when the delivery arrives; you can interact with items you want to buy rather than have to guess if you like something and then have to go through the hassle of returning it via the mail; and you can get advice from the staff, which is admittedly of mixed quality depending on the store. You also do not need to worry about things getting lost in the mail, like in L.A. where box cars are regularly plundered.

Of course, if you let criminals run rampant and steal everything, then physical stores are of questionable usefulness. The thing is pretty much everything beyond firearms is of questionable usefulness when you let criminals do whatever they want.

R C Belaire said...

AA : "It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

Perhaps not for too much longer.

walter said...

"may be expected to guard the store, stand by passively or even assist the thieves as if they were paying customers"
--
How does the last bit work?
"Can I help you find something?"

Brian said...

The pro-shoplifting policies are examples of businesses being led by their lawyers.

Lawyers are good at managing lawsuits. They want the best fact pattern for their lawsuits so they can either be quick wins or quick settlements.

They are not, however, good at running businesses. (Just ask any lawyer if they think their firm is being managed well).

Business is about managing risk. Law is about eliminating risk.

madAsHell said...

That wave of refugees on the border will put an end to browsing packages on the shelf.

My local Safeway no longer keeps extra stock on the shelf.

Freder Frederson said...

You know how you stop shoplifting? Hire enough employees and pay them well enough that they provide good customer service.

If you want to cut your staff to the bone (have you ever been in a Dollar General when there was more than one or two employees and the aisles are not filled with merchandise waiting to be shelved?), and pay them like shit, what do you expect?

Corporate decides what the acceptable level of shrinkage is (the industry term for a combination of damage, employee theft and shoplifting loss) and they staff, pay and train accordingly.

If they wanted to reduce shoplifting (and employee theft), they could easily, but it might reduce shareholder value a few pennies per share, so "fuck it", let them steal.

loudogblog said...

"It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist."

That's a strange thing to say. I prefer physically going to the store over buying online. I only buy online when what I want/need is only available online. If I can go to a local store and buy it right away, that's a better option for me. I can choose the fresh meat and produce that I want, I can easily see what's on sale and I can get the stuff back to my house right away. (And get my daily steps in if I decide to walk to the store.) And I can interact with my favorite store employees. Plus, I'm retired now and need to keep expenses down; so I don't want to waste money to have people do my shopping for me.

Shoplifting is not a big problem in Corona California because the cops step to you quick here. That's one of the reasons why I moved here. The police her are extremely nice, professional and efficient. (Notice how you never see news stories about police brutality in Corona?)

Michael The Magnificent said...

I am old enough to remember being able to drive up to a gas pump, pump my own gas, and then going into the gas station to pay for the gas I pumped. Assholes took advantage of and destroyed this social trust by driving off without paying, leading to the inconvenience of having to pre-pay before the pump was enabled.

Shoplifters are destroying this same social trust. The day will come where you will have to order and prepay for your merchandise, and only then be able to go to a storefront to pick up what you've already paid for.

Dogma and Pony Show said...

Stores obviously won't continue to exist where local prosecutors refuse to treat shoplifting as a criminal offense.

I'm old enough to remember that, for several decades, politicians and community leaders of all stripes talked of little else than the need to find ways to bring businesses into distressed urban centers, whether through tax incentives, subsidies, infrastructure improvements, or what have you. Then, all at once within just the last five years at most, district attorneys bankrolled by leftist billionaires decided for some reason to embark on path of driving businesses OUT of distressed urban centers by systematically countenancing organized shoplifting, vandalism, and even violent crime. I can think of no explanation for such a reversal of course other than the left's apparent desire to destroy America as we know it from within so that full-on socialism or communism can rise from the ashes.

PrimoStL said...

More please. I want their cities deserted. I want them to have nothing nice. I want certain major metros and the voters that asked for this to howl with agony. I want their children stunted and their loved ones harmed. Fuck those people and their progressive allies and policies forever.

Accelerate.

JK Brown said...

NYC is a democracy and the common people are getting what they voted for good and hard, the paraphrase Mencken.

Don't like what your "leaders" are doing, change them, if you still have a democracy. Otherwise, keep voting for "The Curley Effect" that keeps Democrats in power.

Omaha1 said...

The only way to stop rampant shoplifting (looting by a nicer name) is prosecution, or barring that, vigilante justice. Some of the most popular videos are of thieves receiving righteous beatdowns, which they richly deserve. This notion that we must not imprison "petty criminals" is destroying civil order.

Duke Dan said...

A little more of this would help. https://nypost.com/2023/08/07/alleged-thief-in-viral-7-eleven-beatdown-video-stole-2-other-times-workers-probed-for-assault-cops/

Remember the police exist to protect the criminals from the victims.

Lars Porsena said...

I want a demographic breakdown of those deviant customers. Guess who?

Sean said...

It’s amazing that the NYT admits that there is shoplifting in NYC.

Ampersand said...

The perspective of those who tolerate theft is childish, irresponsible, and wilfully ignorant of the precariousness of the social bond. The people in charge tolerate theft and tell their subordinates to tolerate theft, passing the cost on to the honest shlubs.

Part of the problem of course is that the law punishes those who take direct action against thieves. The laws need to be revised to allow the use of force, and to provide immunity for good faith enforcement errors.

Demoralization will ensue if we don't act. If everyone sees that theft is not punished, why should employees not steal from the cash register? Why not forge your time card? Why not organize crews of thieves to steal the good stuff? This situation either changes, or retail brick and mortar withers away, restricted to high security, high end, locales open only to the nomenklatura.

GRW3 said...

It's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist, in free crime cities. There, I fixed it. This only seems to be a problem where the local and/or state legal establishment has decided it's OK to just take anything up to around $1K.

tim in vermont said...

"What kind of idiot am I to show up every day for this job, pay my taxes, pay my rent, pay for my groceries, when nobody would care if I just stole everything I needed or wanted."

They are not idiots, they know they are destroying our way of life, that's their plan, just like they know that an EV is not a real substitute for an ICE, they don't care. They know that renewable are no substitute for fossil fuels or nuclear, they are trying to get us used to living without 99.999 uptime on the grid. They have their plan.

typingtalker said...

I wonder if suburban Lowe's and Home Depot stores have this problem as well.

Patrick said...

Ann's last sentence is the most privileged thing I have ever read on here. I can't leave a box unattended on my front porch for more than an hour and expect it to still be there. Must be nice living in lily white madison

Robert Marshall said...

Allowing shoplifters to take merchandise without paying is obviously against the interest of the employees, since such a store won't be in business for very long with that approach. So, yeah, that's bound to be upsetting.

Downtowns of cities that allow that sort of thing are going to have no stores left, but plenty of mentally-ill and/or drug-addicted campers lining the sidewalks. But by all means, keep voting for the Dems who put in place these awful policies. Don't complain when you get it, good and hard.

Buckwheathikes said...

Richard claimed "You can't shoplift from Amazon."

Once all the stores are closed, and all you see are those Amazon vans driving around, leaving stuff on people's porches unguarded ...

Do you really believe that I cannot shoplift from Amazon? You think I can't boost that van?

Oh, you'll say, they'll just start delivering by drone. Well it goddamn well better be armed with Hellfire missiles because I can take a drone down at 500 yards.

My God, the density in these comments.

Once you allow a government of thieves, then ALL BETS ARE OFF. It's every man for himself and I intend to GET MINE.

That's where we are as a country. And you people had better adjust your thinking. It is every man for himself.

RideSpaceMountain said...

"The Whole Foods store near me in a very affluent suburban area near Philadelphia now has a security person in the checkout area near the exit. He looks like retired military or law enforcement. Not someone to be trifled with.

This is what the world is coming to under the Democrats"

Yes. We're turning into Brazil. Every time I'm down there I'm instantly reminded of what's in store for all of us.

Buckwheathikes said...

Ya'll have missed the point: There is a cost to "shrinkage." It's SO LOW that the billionaire owners of these stores have instructed their employees to ignore it.

Think about that.

The cost is SO LOW that you can freely steal. And you people are still buying things.

STOP. DOING. THAT.

Once everybody is stealing, then the billionaires will force their little puppets (our government) to reopen the prisons.

START. STEALING. And don't stop until the billionaires can only afford a 200 foot yacht, instead of a 300 foot yacht.

jim said...

Marketing professors ;)

William said...

I'm baffled by the word "deviant" as it was applied to the behavior of the shoplifters. They are not deviant at all; they are simply doing what all animals do: taking advantage of a weaker opponent to get stuff (food, sexual pleasure, whatever). These people are totally amoral, and all of this shoplifting is nothing more than pure — albeit on a high-level — animalistic behavior.

The deviant behavior is 100% in the political, governmental, judicial, and law enforcement communities. They have deviated from accepted norms of right and wrong, good and bad, crime and non-crime.

Simple as that.

madAsHell said...

My Dad ran a drug store across the street from the OTHER UW.

The shoplifters eventually ran him out of business.

It's the demographic. He was far enough from the center Seattle business district that he could tolerate some theft.

......and then the center Seattle business district found him.

madAsHell said...

Marketing professors ;)

How much do you wanna pay for some confused Ivy League grad losing 6 billion dollars in market share????

I think that an Ivy League education should be just a big red flag for any employer.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Freder had me laughing my ass off! Classic. He did however forget to include delivering a hand job to the thieves on the way out the door! He should volunteer services.
My sister managed costume jewelry stores in then upscale malls. At a security meeting, the mall claimed a "shrinkage" figure of $.08/dollar across the board. That was in the early 90's.
Recent figure = "retail shrinkage became a $100 billion issue in 2021".
Shoppers make up much of the lost $$ via higher prices.

rehajm said...

Ya'll have missed the point: There is a cost to "shrinkage." It's SO LOW that the billionaire owners of these stores have instructed their employees to ignore it

Shrink is not as small as it used to be. The MBAs at retailers keep close tabs on the equations and are quick to shutter stores when the numbers turn against them. In Boston Burberry and a few other high margin shops have already given up. Hermes and the jewelers still have store fronts but they aren’t for browsing…

rehajm said...

I’m fairly certain someone at FeEx boosted my missing package. Amazon isn’t safe from the inside, either…

Leland said...

Stores didn't really exist in the Soviet Union, at least not like we think of it. In the USSR, you went to a place called a store, which was really storage for goods, and waited in long lines until it was your turn to pick up whatever product was available for you to purchase. I suppose some people want to do that here in the US.

When Boris Yeltsin came to the US and visited a grocery store (same brand name I worked but across town), he realized that the USSR model was doomed to fail.

Michael K said...

Freder is pro shop lifting.

If they wanted to reduce shoplifting (and employee theft), they could easily, but it might reduce shareholder value a few pennies per share, so "fuck it", let them steal.

Go for it, Freder. It could not be more obvious what political party you joined.

Michael K said...

Cook, of course, wants stores to increase employees salaries and benefits while they are losing millions. Freder blames the store owners.

Good communists are all alike.

EdwdLny said...

This way lay vigilanteism, great fun. Don't mind the mess.

gilbar said...

things to think about..
Brick and Mortar store owners tend to be republican (or republican leaning)..
Amazon is owned by a MAJOR "stakeholder" of the democrat party..
Theft from Brick and Mortar stores has been declared: AOKAY!!!
Do y'all Really Think, that that's Not All connected?


Meanwhile, people here are saying dreams like:
Do you really believe that I cannot shoplift from Amazon? You think I can't boost that van?
hmmm. do YOU, REALLY think that would be considered "shoplifting"? Do you REALLY think, that YOU wouldn't go to prison.. FOR EVER for that?

Again.. Who OWNS Amazon? Who OWNS the democrat party? If you think that just because stealing from Wal-Mart has been declared AOKAY, that stealing from Amazon is aokay too..
You are a foolishly STUPID individual..
Yes, I'm talking about YOU, Buckwheathikes.. IF you believe the things that come out of your mouth.. You NEED to wise up.
Jesus GOD!! I SWEAR that idiot thinks he lives in a country with a rule of LAW, not MEN! WOW!

H said...

Sad to say, there is a racial aspect to this. Some Blacks see shoplifting as justified because it is a form of reparations. In DC, the majority Black Ward 8 is close to losing their last grocery store because of shoplifting. Then we’ll see complaints that food deserts exist because of institutional racism.

rehajm said...

I’m fairly certain someone at FeEx boosted my missing package

Someone also took the ‘d’….

Rabel said...

"Online is horrible from a customer perspective."

I just ordered a large jar of Blue Plate* Mayo from Amazon for $3.98. It will be here Sunday on a little Amazon truck with some other things direct from the huge local warehouse.

It was horrifying indeed, but I'll get over it eventually.

*Normally I'd go with Duke's but this was a price conscious decision.

Old and slow said...

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Blogger typingtalker said...
I wonder if suburban Lowe's and Home Depot stores have this problem as well."

It does not (and WOULD NOT) happen at my local builder's supply stores. Never mind the staff, there is simply no way the customers would stand aside and allow that kind of nonsense. The thieves would never make it to their truck.

Mason G said...

"Good communists are all alike."

Yep. Nothing arouses them so much as thinking about sticking it to the man.

Mary Beth said...

Instead, the manager has to be contacted; he has to call corporate, and corporate decides if they will call the police, which they don't. So that store gets hit over and over again.

I would not shop there. I would not work there. It will only escalate. I understand not trying to stop a thief - the employee could get hurt, a customer could get hurt, the thief could get hurt (and sue the company) - but I don't understand not calling the police.

I know the company is afraid of some police/thief confrontation video that attaches itself to their store. They are afraid of damage by association happening overnight, so instead they choose to damage themselves slowly.

You can bet the stores are less forgiving towards employees who are suspected of stealing. (The police probably aren't brought in for that either unless it's as leverage towards restitution.)

Jim at said...

I don't think arguing with a knife wielding drug addict as he tries to make off with my packages is an improvement.

You don't argue with them. S, s and s.

Bender said...

"This is what democracy looks like!"

Cities voted for this.

deepelemblues said...

Demoralizing people, making them feel trapped and helpless in the face of barbaric behavior, is the point.

Robert Cook said...

How telling that the Dyspeptic Doctor and Mason G. think paying employees living wages and providing them benefits (e.g., regular pay increases, affordable insurance, vacation time, paid sick time, etc.) is "communism" (sic) and nothing other than "sticking it to the man."

Why don't you creeps just come out and say it: you believe in a caste system, and any who are not lords are serfs, worthless scroungers deserving of nothing but the crumbs that fall from the distended paunches and the half-chewed flecks of food that spray from the braying over-stuffed mouths of their masters as they rise to leave their dining stalls.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Cook blames pay scale and benefits?

LOL - so dumb.

Here In CO - the people who work at king soopers want to help stop shoplifting (without getting hurt, of course) some have tried - and they were FIRED.

the left is officially pro-crime.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Tina Trent.
You are correct about Korger (King Soopers is in CO Kroger)
One example (there are many) KS employee watched shoplifting take place. He is ex-military - so he has the smarts. Anyway, he followed the shoplifters out to their vehicle. He took the foil off the license plate and took a photo of the license plate and called 911.

He was fired.

Aggie said...

There was a reason for jails to exist in small frontier towns, it was to protect the accused until the regional law could hold a trial. Don't want to observe laws, and arrest perpetrators of crime? Law-abiding people are going to want to preserve the civil order for their community. and have peaceful order for their families. They're going to do more than just want it. If jails no longer serve any purpose, justice will find a way.

BUMBLE BEE said...

I'm of the opinion that such lawlessness makes it's way to these stores' parking lots. Kinda like chumming the waters, the predators likely swarm. I have a response ready when going shopping.

Narayanan said...

It's amazing that those Sikhs who gave a stick beating to a cigarette robber were in danger of being charged.
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charging them might have been ;educational; >> if you want to awake a sleeping national diaspora and lose votes +++ and drawn knives.
The kirpan (Punjabi: ਕਿਰਪਾਨ) is a curved, single-edged blade that Khalsa Sikhs are required to wear as part of their religious uniform (The 5 Ks), as prescribed by the Sikh Code of Conduct.[1] It is commonly manifested as a dagger or knife in the present-day. Traditionally, the kirpan was a full-sized talwar sword around 76 cm (30 inches) in length.[2]
Sikhs are expected to embody the qualities of a Sant Sipahi or "saint-soldier", showing no fear on the battlefield and treating defeated enemies humanely.


Q: why not simply abolish mega-Metropolitan jurisdictions : 10 block square enforcement units should solve the problem.

walter said...

Freder,
You must Dollar General in some shitty places.

Maynard said...

Good communists are all alike.

Be fair, Mike.

Cookie is a thoughtful and conservative communist.

Freder is just an idiot Democrat.

Michelle Dulak Thomson said...

So . . . Robert Cook and Freder Frederson both believe that the shoplifting problem would go away overnight if only the pay of retail workers were doubled.

Permit me to be (ahem) skeptical. In the first place, the ginormous rise in shoplifting over the past five years or so doesn't correspond to a loss in wages of retail workers, apart from the one everyone is suffering due to inflation. So what is it? Retail laborers are more blase? Thieves are more brazen, expecting (and receiving) little resistance? Door Number Two for me, thanks.

Robert, Freder, it doesn't matter how much you pay your retail employees if you also forbid them absolutely from doing anything at all to prevent theft in progress. A $30/hr clerk will behave exactly like a $15/hr clerk if you tell him/her to leave shoplifters alone. And since this sort of smash-and-grab is now hitting high-end jewelers and the like, obviously some of the clerks are already very well paid.

Robert shows his love for touching everything in a drugstore before buying. I hope he knows that he's now the dread customer, the one who, when walking into your Walgreens, you devoutly hope will go to the CVS next door. Because this guy will be ringing bells for clerks for the next hour.

Jim at said...

You know how you stop shoplifting? Hire enough employees and pay them well enough that they provide good customer service.

Yep.

And bank robberies will cease if we simply pay the tellers more money.

How fucked in the head does one have to be to think like this?

Anna Keppa said...

Buckwheathikes said...
Ya'll have missed the point: There is a cost to "shrinkage." It's SO LOW that the billionaire owners of these stores have instructed their employees to ignore it.
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You have corporate memoes written by CEOs to support these claims?

If so, produce them----and then explain why so many stores are closing down in big downtown locations due to rampant theft.

And, if the losses are SO LOW why have so many stores installed anti--theft devices in the stores and on their products.

As for the billionaire owners, how many big corporations are privately owned?

FACE IT---you're a FOOL. a Certified FOOL at that.

Kirk Parker said...

Crack,

Your solipsism is tiresome. People have been writing and warning about this stuff is before you were born.

Gospace said...

t's amazing that stores — the kind you can physically enter and shop in — still exist.

They're disappearing in major cities- not in ruralville. In a lot of bodegas and similar inner city stores, all the most common stolen stuff- tobacco and other smoking products, are kept behind the counter- with a plexiglass customer proof shield between the cashier and the customer.

Soon it's going to be you walk in and tell the clerk what you want- from what the store carries, and the clerk gets it from the back- AFTER you pay for it. Actually, this is the way it used to be done in the days of The General Store. You could see vestiges of it on Petticoat Junction in the Hooterville general store. How Service Merchandise, Sam Solomon's, and a few other retailers worked for a while- stuff on display, fill out a form for what you want. Pretty much how any store in Communist Russia operated. Except that there you'd most likely be told they were out of whatever you needed.

I know Walmart wants all of their customers to switch to online ordering for groceries. That's the one area I won't order online... I don't shop with lists- I walk down the aisle and go- "I think I'll get some of that, haven't had in a while..." or something similar. In troubled neighborhood I suspect Walmart will soon turn to a catalog showroom type selling model for high value easily fences stuff.

The retail work is always in a state of flux, constantly changing, trying to find the best way to sell things with the least amount of product loss. Whether through spoilage, thedt, or poor inventory keeping.

The reason Home Depot, Lowes, Walmart, and others now require receipts for any return is simple. At one big box I worked at every inventory we would count 3 or 4 brass faucet stems and correct the inventory count from the 20 or 30 it showed we had. Because the stems had been returned 20-30 times, yet there was no record of us ever having sold any... $10 each stem, return a few that accidently made it into your pocket and you've got a nice steak dinner. Although I suspect the thieves were buying other things...

Even though a lot of us are still high trust, we're rapidly turning into a low trust society, especially in DemoncRAT run hellholes. If you want stores, the kind you can physically enter and shop in, to continue in existence, shoplifters need to be hunted down and jailed. And if store employees injure or kill a suspected shoplifter trying to stop or apprehend them- OFW, sudden death or serious injury should be an occupational hazard for thieves. None of this judgmental but did they use the appropriate bullcrap.

Jamie said...

Why don't you creeps just come out and say it: you believe in a caste system, and any who are not lords are serfs,

Oh honey, that's you. We believe in social and economic mobility, no castes allowed. A range of job levels allows people, especially young people but not limited to young people, to learn skills at the entry level that they can parlay into better jobs over time. That's how my working life has gone, starting in my teens. Hasn't yours?

You all can't defend your ridiculous "living wage" arguments on economic terms because they simply don't hold up. So you go with emotional appeals and the fiction of economic immobility, and in some places where the feelz are strong, you get a super high minimum wage passed. And then even the bluest of blue people stop tipping their servers. (I have watched with shock our very progressive friends do this. After all, the server is making good money now, right?) And one server is now working all the tables. And places with long hours now have shorter hours and therefore fewer employees, because much higher wages - a big part of their budget - are eating up their revenues. And surely you've noticed how many self-service kiosks there are now in grocery stores, fast food places, and so forth? Because, as the man says, the minimum wage is always zero.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Democrat loyalists ignore and wave away all these massive social problems. All they care about is their obsession of hating Trump and every (R). and their obsession with abortion.
They deny the open southern border. They deny crime... until it happens to them and then they still refuse to understand.

We are fast turning into a shitty third world nation... and the left just skip on by.
It is their plan.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Hilariously - the pro-crime left force us all into on-line shopping where massive amounts of carbon and pollutants are pumped into the atmosphere from all that trucking and boxing and travel.

A store made it easy for locals to buy what they need. Now - the Soros funded pro-crime left.. they have what they want. Drugs, theft, crime... and everyone hating each other... clicking buttons with the addiction of easy-shopping. Click this button if you hate Trump and think he is a Russian spy. A box at the door... don't leave the house.
what house? no one can afford a home anymore. People in despair - turn to drugs - and the left hand out needles.

stlcdr said...

Speaking of 'stores you can walk into', the Big Orange Box store can ship stuff to you. For free. In less than 2 days.

While sometimes you need to see and touch stuff, a lot of the times you don't.

n.n said...

transreligious progressive liberalism

Rusty said...

I love it when lefties talk economics. They have no idea how anything is made or where it comes from but they're gonna tell you how you should do it anyway. Clueless doesn't begin to describe it.

Tina Trent said...

Taxpayer Funded Hooker: my boss was being robbed at gunpoint at the back of the Kroger at 2 a.m. (I refused to park back there) as I was walking in the front door, alone, in a huge empty parking lot. The managers didn't tell us about it, and he was apparently instructed to say nothing about it.

Later, we were all made to watch a video about how to hide in the coolers if a mass shooter event happenned. Asked if we had any questions, I said "why weren't we told that X was held up at gunpoint in the back parking lot as we were arriving for work in the middle of the night?

I got a dressing down. Amusingly, that manager was soon "relocated" because he stopped two women from shoplifting.

There's a field of tort law that requires apartment complexes, condos, and stores to inform residents and employees of crimes. It arose when serial rapists kept hitting the same apartment complexes. This is not so large a phenomenon now that DNA has captured a large percentage of serial rapists. But now we have spree shoplifters who swarm stores, grab up piles of things, and run out the door, and employees are not allowed to intervene. I live in a deep red area of North Georgia, and the rules for employees are the same here as intown, but we don't have their level of security, so robbing gangs often drive up here to hit stores. Someone is going to get killed. I know a lot of retail and grocery workers who wear concealed weapons. Good for them. But how far away do we have to move to not have to strap on an ankle holster to sell frozen corn or overpriced t-shirts? It's hard for corporations to deny knowing of dangers to their employees when their stores have nicknames like "Murder Kroger."

Employees know Ralph Lauren or Kroger doesn't give a shit about their lives. I'm not litigious, but a class action suit based on their failure to inform employees and customers about crimes on-site is the only thing that would make them change their humiliating and dangerous policies. And yes, shoplifting margins are skyrocketing. Obviously, honest consumers absorb that cost.

And with the Soros Prosecutor Project state laws that prevent employers and landlords from inquiring about a job applicant's criminal past (Ban the Box laws), be very careful about hiring home repair workers, especially from big box stores.

The Crack Emcee said...

Kirk Parker said...
Crack,

Your solipsism is tiresome. People have been writing and warning about this stuff is before you were born.

But, somehow, it lingers on, and you accept it.

Rusty said...

Tina.
The late Mike Royko, no conservative once wrote, "Nobody ever raped a .38". Were I a woman, even if it was illegal where I lived, I'd pack some sort of heat. Nobody has a right to lay a hand on you without your sayso.