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"Madison City Council refuses rezoning for big student housing project Downtown" (Wisconsin State Journal):
The Madison City Council late Tuesday refused a rezoning for a 12-story student housing redevelopment, citing a lack of low-cost units.... During the debate Tuesday, Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway gave some council members reminders to address only their fellow board members, not development team members present. Additional warnings were given regarding time limits and swearing.
Ald. Tag Evers, 13th District, called the rezoning issue “a change in philosophy, and ethos.” Looking toward the development team, he decried its decisions to tear down “naturally occurring affordable housing,” and what he considered to be a lack of action on their part to “replace it in kind” with more low-cost options.
“You guys need to do better,” he said. “Send these developers back to the drawing board.”...
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Where are big students supposed to live now?
I'm intrigued by that phrase, "naturally occurring." I guess it means housing that emerged from the Earth without human plan or action --a hollow tree or a cave, perhaps. Or, as in the Monty Python skit of the three Yorkshiremen bragging over their cognac, a low spot in the road or a cardboard box.
Don't these people ever listen to what they say? Obviously not.
Odd.
In places like Boston, some studies have shown the cities entire housing problem could be solved by forcing the area colleges to build new dorms and provide 100% dorm housing to all students. Tens of thousands of Boston rental units now go to kids, when they could be going to families.
“naturally occurring affordable housing"
Is that something like kudzu or ragweed in that such housing just springs up from out of nowhere?
Developers don’t need to do anything.
Madison doesn’t need 50,000 students either.
If there is not enough campus and off campus housing then enrollment will drop.
Madison campus is about 53% women. So if housing is unavailable, then women are hardest hit.
“naturally occurring affordable housing,”
Curious statement. Just what is "“naturally occurring" affordable housing? Is he referring to caves?
“naturally occurring affordable housing” = dilapidated.
Liberals are master's at polishing turds.
I don't know if the "affordable housing" objection was meant for students or townies. If it was about costs for students, at least SOMEBODY in Madison is trying to save these kids money.
God knows the University won't.
"naturally occurring affordable housing"
Translation: A rundown, poorly maintained dump, that no one in their right mind would pay good money to live in.
As usual, these statements are made by politicians who've never build anything, never managed anything, and never produced anything other than words.
Here's some special words from Tag Evers website: "Our challenges are made more complex by the fact we are a capitalist society rooted in white supremacy...."
Good luck Madison.
Bring back single occupancy hotels (i.e., "flophouses").
Ald. Tag Evers must think those tents on the sidewalk set themselves up.
But I kind of agree. Why should the City Council let a University, which pays no taxes, destroy existing housing so it can import more out-of-state students as a pretext to issue more uncollectable "student loans"? The modern university is a parasitic organism, preying on every element of our society. Rip it out by its gory tentacles and throw it in Lake Mendota!
Clearly a euphemism for neglectful landlords not reinvesting in their properties. Absolutely a "natural" process.
“...naturally occurring affordable housing...”
So a cave in a low density area.
Speaking as a small time real estate developer, may I suggest the spurned developers propose something akin to a concrete & cinderblock storage unit building, 8'x12' efficiency rooms, each with a sink, shower & toilet, a built in twin bed size storage locker/bed, lockable steel door and a 24"x24" window(egress in emergencies), of about 12 stories, and put it on the market as free housing for the homeless. Leave space on the first and second floors for a city-run cafeteria and homeless aid officials, and rent that housing and other space to the city for an ungodly obscene amount per year. Get the city to sign a waiver accepting all liability and leaving the builder free and clear of anything, including maintenance and property management and repairs and tenant misbehavior. House about 1000 homeless for whatever the city thinks that is worth.
Give the idiot city council what it wants, good and hard.
Of course you cannot build that. It doesn't meet the city-required building standards for multifamily residential housing, not by a long shot. So get a waiver and charge even more from the city for your efforts!
"During the debate Tuesday, Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway gave some council members reminders to address only their fellow board members, not development team members present."
Good for her. What do those development team members think- that they're living in a representative democracy, where the people elect officials to create laws and policy on their behalf, or what?
With regard to housing (of any kind), the only role government can play is to prevent it. Occasionally there are spasms of effort to undo the prevention; this is called "promoting affordable housing." Once in a thousand tries, affordable housing is actually produced as a result of this effort. Afterward, government congratulates itself and criticizes the producers of the housing.
Perverse side effects will never happen.
"But.....Will nobody think of the children ??
Somebody missed an opportunity.
>> Looking toward the development team, he decried its decisions to tear down “naturally occurring affordable housing,” and what he considered to be a lack of action on their part to “replace it in kind” with more low-cost options.<<
Thinks of housing as a slow-moving conveyor belt where new housing is built at one end and all housing units move steadily along the conveyor belt as each year they become one year older and more affordable. So the concept of "naturally occurring affordable housing" makes a lot of sense. With age, housing units become steadily less modern, less desirable and therefore more affordable.
But, the same analogy shows that naturally occurring affordable housing doesn't have to be "replaced" because new affordable housing is constantly and naturally being created each year by the movement of the conveyor belt of time. Indeed, it is impossible to replace "naturally occurring affordable housing" "in kind" because you can't build eighty-year-old housing. In this way of thinking, you can only build new housing and wait eighty years for it to naturally become affordable housing.
“You guys need to do better,” he said. “Send these developers back to the drawing board.”...
That's right. Those developers should be building what the government wants, not the developer's prospective customers.
“naturally occurring affordable housing,”
Do you have caves in Madison?
"Naturally occurring?" I have a vision of small dollhouse being buried in a plot of land, and then being carefully watered and fertilized over the years, until it grows to full size.
“naturally occurring affordable housing,”
aka "slum"
"naturally occurring affordable housing"? Is that a euphemism for slum?
Expect a shortage of student housing in the near future.
The Left solves every problem by making it worse.
Activists and advocates don't want affordable housing. What they want is market rate housing that someone else pays for - either taxpayers or the other residents of developments forced to include "affordable" units. If we really want sufficient affordable housing we need to amend the zoning and building codes that prevent building dense and cheap. People would build (safe and) affordable housing if they were allowed to make money at it.
In California, Naturally Occuring Affordable Housing has to have a label about asbestos, lead, and other cancer causing chemicals.
Madison City Council to UW students: drop dead.
"Affordable" housing should be paid for by the taxpayers of the municipality. In this case, for student housing without the students what does Madison have?
It's what progs do - raze those awful old places where poor people live.
We'll replace it with something better, swearsies!
Is naturally occurring affordable housing like those houses in the 5th block off the square on West Washington that are 3-4 story old frame houses gradually settling into lots of deferred maintenance and dissolution that are lived in by generations of students. Nasty old houses. I think that must be what that means.
“naturally occurring affordable housing,” Is that a code word for slum?
As the owner of multiple rental units in Madison, I applaud the decision to restrict building and therefore drive rents higher.
So “naturally occurring affordable housing” has to be old and rundown, unsafe even!
It seems to me that what Mad City Council wants to do is to duplicate Pres House Apartments, recently built on-campus with no teardown by a not-for-profit entity financed by churches that offers rent scholarships that result in a 20% rent reduction. Technically the facility is part of UWM.
So “naturally occurring affordable housing” has to be old and rundown, unsafe even!
It seems to me that what Mad City Council wants to do is to duplicate Pres House Apartments, recently built on-campus with no teardown by a not-for-profit entity financed by churches that offers rent scholarships that result in a 20% rent reduction. Technically the facility is part of UWM.
Richard said...
[“naturally occurring affordable housing,”]
"Do you have caves in Madison?"
They could dig their own caves as the lead miners ("badgers") did, in Mineral Point.
Rip it out by its gory tentacles and throw it in Lake Mendota!
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and show up in professora sunrise photos
You know a college is nearby when the naturally occurring affordable housing is filled with corn plants. And a few avocado trees.
“Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway”
Will this yt cultural appropriation never end?
Lars Porsena said...
“naturally occurring affordable housing,”" Is that a code word for slum?"
Yes it is. The city wants to game the market. This is always catastrophic for the poor they want to 'help' and the university that needs to provide housing for students.
I have a solution, but you won't like it.
OMG I was just reading the Sun Prairie Housing Plan (for a work project) and I came across a page that literally defines "naturally occurring affordable housing" so I had to come back here and post it:
https://www.cityofsunprairie.com/DocumentCenter/View/13540/Sun-Prairie-Housing-Study-and-Strategy?bidId=
See page 42.
Commenter Gerda Sprinchorn nailed it.
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