".. but, rather, a fellow tech entrepreneur with whom [tech executive Bob] Lee was familiar.... [This] will not quiet the doomsayers who see San Francisco as a post-apocalyptic zombie set filled with violent psychotic homeless people.... The fear of crime often gets presented as a response to numbers—murder rates, numbers of robberies, carjackings, and assaults—but it’s primarily an anecdotal phenomenon that very often runs counter to what all the metrics would suggest. Today, the bulk of the fearmongering appears to exist online, where an informal rubric of virality determines how much the country, at large, hears about one crime or another.... [V]iolent crimes will happen, they will be sensationalized by the local media, which will blame the progressive district attorney; this, in turn, will activate local online networks, which, most likely, will also blame the progressive district attorney.... The future of how crime—especially violent crime—is handled in big American cities will be determined along the fault line between those progressive voters and the angry residents who feel as if all the criminals are being dumped on their block once they get released by a lenient district attorney...."
The cycle of anecdotalism, fearmongering, sensationalism, and blaming doesn't operate only against progressives. Progressives engage in it too, for example, when guns are used.
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"This particular murder was not a psychotic multiple-arrestee released on bail" is itself entirely an argument from anecdote.
One of the best comments was at zerohedge. A phenomenal comment:
"A dude named Nima Momeni is the brother of a hottie name Khasar Elyassnia who happens to be married to a cosmetic surgeon named Dino Elyassnia. Momeni then kills a guy named Bob Lee because...Lee is a khaffir who is cheating/flirting/friends with his sister?...and gets charged with murder by a District Attorney named Omid Talai.
Khasar stands stoically, yet fashionably, beside her cuck/husband/personal plastic surgeon outside the courthouse. Nima is in jail learning about the practical application of progressive legal theories. Lee died ignored and unattended by numerous passerbys on a fecal covered sidewalk surrounded by drugged-out homeless people. And Talai gets props for prosecuting a co-religionist for a religiously-motivated hate crime that will get rich-washed by the media because Islam is still in the left's top 10 of protect-at-any-cost groups and homie has lots of Benjamins. Being rich is awesome if it's being spent, Soros-like, on libtard agendas, but otherwise it's bad.
Everyone involved are libtards and, with the probable exception of the DA, is rich and probably illegal. The only American in the entire sordid event was killed and he probably viewed himself as a globalist and not something as xenophobic as "an American". Welcome to liberal America at twilight."
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cash-app-founders-death-sprang-dispute-over-suspects-sister-court-docs
But in that specific case it’s pretty obvious that the murder was an honor killing over Lee having a fling with the killer’s sister - culture there was the driving force behind the crime. But great attempt to throw shade over the real crime situation by the elites in the “New Yorker don’t believe your eyes or statistics” school of journalism.
So we are literally at the point where the Party recognizes that things are so badly out of control in their urban paradises that we must ignore what is obvious and pretend that it’s just online noise causing all the issues. From the “ youth” riot in Chicago this weekend to the gang shooting in tiny town Alabama at a birthday party the “no consequences” doctrine of the elite is coming apart and they know it. But remember - it’s better than it looks! It’s just online rabble rousing!
"...when guns are used."
...by other than Black or Brown people in Blue cities and Blue states.
The US gun-and-murder problem mostly involves young Black males. The left was honest about this with their openly racist "Saturday-night Special" gun laws several decades ago. Guns receive the blame today because...Blue politicians don't want to suppress the vote or give the right wing any wins.
The rise of school shootings followed Clinton's "Gun Free School Zones" -- if the left didn't make guns the focus in the 1990s I'd bet we'd have 1/10th the number of mass shootings today. Bans give mentally unstable people a path to 'glory' in their own unhealthy minds.
You want less gun violence? Bring back school shooting clubs to neutralize guns and make the kids say "ho hum"...there is no plausible path to banning and confiscating guns in the US...
Progressives engage in it too, for example, when guns are used.
Well, more like when certain people use guns to commit crimes.
I've been watching the general freak-out among the progressives down here in Louisville and in my FB feed over two shooting incidents the Monday after Easter, which followed the shooting in Nashville the week before, and another that occured here last Saturday night. Somebody also singled out a shooting in Alabama (of which I know nothing).
Of course the fact that Chicago has seen multiple incidents of shooting and homicides by gun virtually every week for years is largely left unremarked on.
There’s always going to be outcry when there’s a seemingly senseless violent crime. But is the backlash against officials like Boudin because of those crimes or because of citizens’ ongoing exhaustion due to lesser crimes? Blocks that one cannot enter because they’re lined with tents and zombified addicts. Syringes in children’s parks alongside human feces. Convenience and food stores closing. Walgreens pulling out. Whole Foods closing after a year, with rumors of a nearby Safeway struggling. Witnessing large-scale shoplifting every time you venture out. It’s those crimes that simmer in residents’ minds. It’s the attitude in SF that it’s a housing issue. It’s not. It’s a mental health n and addiction issue. I don’t know anyone in my former home who considers the SF Bay Area particularly violent. But it is crime-ridden.
Is there any provision in the law/s of this land to exile people (incuding citizens)?
The fact the whitewash narratives are starting to show up is proof of the existence of Soros DAs. As recently as last month the narratives were about denying their existence...
The other big issue for lib cities is the Obama/Biden/US Treasury fire hose of US Dollars has been shut off, if only for the moment...
“So-called”, my ass. I work in SF. Petty and violent crime is way up.
I've got a friend, a very liberal friend who to this day is convinced that Russian interference is the only reason Trump was elected to the presidency. Meaning he thinks they hacked the voting machines. He also claims that there weren't any Trump flags or signs in anybody's yards before Trump was elected. He has TDS that bad.
He recently went to New Orleans for some sort of professional meeting for a few days. In that time he says he saw at least one crime being committed each day, including a car jacking on Canal street during the day. Canal street is a major tourist area that borders the French Quarter. He advised me and others to not go to NOLA because its not safe. But hey, that's just some anecdotal evidence.
He makes a good point that is often overlooked: I may vaguely care about gang bangers killing each other over turf wars in that I'd rather it didn't happen, but if I'm trying to determine how safe a place is, I'm thinking of the law-abiding people who don't go looking for trouble, and those people are mostly unaffected by the flashier forms of street violence.
A city can be very dangerous if you just look at the numbers and yet still be safe enough if you're looking at your own risk being there.
Tim Maguire:
That's a rationalization. All areas of a city should be safe. Think of the miserable lives of the decent and law abiding people on the Southside of Chicago. They shouldn't be subjected to that crime.
My former girlfriend has a daughter who lived in Chicago. The rationalization was stay out of the "bad" areas. I said the criminals have cars and can get to your neighborhood. She moved to Dallas.
San Francisco has a very small footprint compared to other cities do the crime rate feels intense along Market Street and SoMa and even in Pac Heights weird street shit is going down.
Plus, people have stopped calling in smash-and-grabs because the police won't do anything. No use owning or renting a car there unless you have a garage.
So this line of argle bargle is misleading.
serious hypothetical questions
[i'm NOT saying we could/should/would ever do any of this]
IF you counted black americans as a separate country so that, for statistical purposes there were Two americas:
a Black America
and a non-Black America
How would crime/murder rates for the non-Black America compare to the rest of the countries in the world?
How would crime/murder rates for the Black America compare to the rest of the countries in the world?
Counting like that would OBVIOUSLY be Racist! but Ibram Kendi says that gilbar will Always be racist..
People believed the issue was overall crime related because it was believable.
So, a murder happened in San Francisco, but we're not supposed to consider it part of a crime wave because the murderer had a reason for it?
This is a terrible argument!
So, a murder happened in San Francisco, but we're not supposed to consider it part of a crime wave because the murderer had a reason for it?
This is a terrible argument!
Great job trying to distract from the fact that there are in fact career criminals roaming the San Fran hills courtesy of woke DA action and crime is dramatically up year over year but sure take your disgusting victory lap over the dead body of this guy. Way to go “mainstream media” way to know how to read the room.
Bob Lee's murder was quickly followed by reports with video of a retired fire commissioner being attacked and beaten with a metal bar.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/don-carmignani-former-sf-fire-commissioner-assault-suspect-facing-multiple-felony-charges/
Which fanned the flames of hysteria about crime in SF.
Don't worry. Everything is under control. Top men are on it. Top. Men.
RideSpaceMountain said...
"A dude named Nima Momeni is the brother of a hottie name Khasar Elyassnia who happens to be married to a cosmetic surgeon named Dino Elyassnia. Momeni then kills a guy named Bob Lee because...Lee is a khaffir who is cheating/flirting/friends with his sister?...and gets charged with murder by a District Attorney named Omid Talai.
You know that the UK Daily Mail reported the Momeni/Elyassnia/Lee connection a week ago, don't you?
The US media has always been a spin factory, but they were never as blatant as they are now. I bet Cronkite is spinning in his grave.
"[This] will not quiet the doomsayers who see San Francisco as a post-apocalyptic zombie set filled with violent psychotic homeless people"
So says Paul Pelosi?
It would be interesting to find out how many people have been shot multiple times in these dem shitholes. Far higher body count than Afghanistan.
I miss "Hey Jackass".
Strange there’s a mass shooting in Alabama and no interest in what gun was used or the perp. Why does Big Media turn off their hype machine after some tragedies but not others? See, it’s not just the exaggeration that’s dangerous but the editorial control they enforce selectively to deemphasize some crimes while endlessly repeating others. It’s all manipulation. Every news entity every day.
"The cycle of anecdotalism, fearmongering, sensationalism, and blaming doesn't operate only against progressives. Progressives engage in it too, for example, when guns are used."
Most successfully, when George Floyd was killed.
Trans/Franciso.
That said, they need a hero, a Democrat hero, who shoots first, and asks questions later... never.
[This] will not quiet the doomsayers who see San Francisco as a post-apocalyptic zombie set filled with violent psychotic homeless people....
Nor should it.
Progressives engage in it too, for example, when guns are used.
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there is missing 'ONLY'
San Francisco is currently in a state of decline, if not collapse. Yet we keep being told that the city is doing great and we are imagining all the chaos.
One thing to remember about crime statistics, like any statistics, is they can be gamed. You want to reduce crime? If one criminal commits ten crimes, decide that now only counts as one crime. Crime down 90%. Better yet, decide that you are not actually going to investigate some crimes, and that crime goes away, especially after the public catches on and stops bothering to report it. This would be especially applicable to San Francisco, where the homeless are allowed to do pretty much whatever they want.
You get what you measure.
Just watched Saphire (1959), English police procedural investigating "coloured" teen found stabbed multiple times in her heart. Won't give away ending, but let's just say police theory of high crime immigrant neighborhood a false trail.
Dave Begley said...
Tim Maguire:
That's a rationalization. All areas of a city should be safe. Think of the miserable lives of the decent and law abiding people on the Southside of Chicago. They shouldn't be subjected to that crime.
It's not a rationalization. My comment accounts for your concern.
The SF Chronicle is really playing up this (alleged) techie-on-techie murder so it can say 'see, this was not perpetrated by a POC or homeless junkie so our city's not a filthy, crime-ridden, deserted-of-business failure." Anyway, just my opinion from ground zero.
So, wait. The murder of Lee was not a crime adding to the crime statistics in the cesspool that is San Francisco?
Lefty logic figures in here somewhere.
Oh, yeah, there is nothing deranged about an honor killing of the sometime lover of a married sister.
This 'See I told you, it wasn't a homeless maniac' isn't very persuasive.
More than one thing can be true.
San Francisco is a dying, shithole city AND Lee was killed by someone he knew.
How is this difficult to understand?
Btw, I am in San Francisco about once a week these days, and have been going there since the '60s. I've seen things.
San Francisco’s homicide rate is the very definition of unremarkable: Lower than the United States as a whole, and among the lowest of any American city.
San Francisco property crime, on the other hand, is rampant.
Nuance is kryptonite for dopey people.
A Silicon Valley Vs. Homeless-Industrial-Complex Power-Struggle Emerges In San Francisco
On the one hand, we have a very vocally angry Silicon Valley tech community speaking out about the out-of-control crime situation in the city, with the valued and talented Lee's untimely death from some night creature who crawled out from some sewer or encampment and stabbed him to death, quite possibly in a drug-addled haze. That's expected if you live in a place full of bums and criminals, but Lee didn't live in a place full of bums and criminals. He had actually fled the city for Florida based on its engulfing crime and come back only for a brief business trip.
On the other hand, we have a soggy, entrenched political establishment seeking to assure that there's really no crime problem at all. This is evident enough in the "crime is down" coverage seen in the political establishment's house organ, the San Francisco Chronicle, and in the surreal statements of the city hall power establishment, which is rooted in special interests, particularly the most powerful one, the homeless industrial complex. I wrote about that here. San Francisco currently spends about as much on homeless "services" as it does on police, and by some studies such as the one cited below, actually more.
Not surprisingly, as per Thomas Sowell's observation, you can have all the poverty you want to pay for, and San Francisco pays a lot.
I see that I'm not the only one laughing at the silly argument the New Yorker attempts to make. But perhaps it is not all that silly, when you consider this is coming from the New Yorker. In New York, you so have a better chance of being randomly murdered by a deranged lunatic or a career criminal let out of jail by a DA that left the office nine months ago. So New Yorkers need to stop with this fearmongering about San Francisco. That makes sense.
A lot of feeling about crime comes anecdotally from their own or their friends' experiences. I knew two people who were assaulted this past Christmas in a major shopping district in Seattle downtown by a crazed junkie whose bail was paid for by a criminal rights group. When I walked through the area the year before I didn't want to go back as there were only the crazed junkies around, no cops.
I wonder how Harold Ross would have reacted if a writer at his magazine had tried to use a phrase like "informal rubric of virality."
I wonder how Harold Ross would have reacted if a writer at his magazine had tried to use a phrase like "informal rubric of virality."
"The cycle of anecdotalism, fearmongering"
Yes, those are pretty much SF's main problems. It's a shame, really, considering everything's fine, and will be even better with the $5M reparations payouts.
D-uh. It's because people aren't worried about the one spectacular case that makes international news. They're worried about somebody who the DA let out without bail pushing them in front of a train or beating them to death on the street. They're worried about not being about to fill the kids' prescriptions because shoplifters have made all the drugstores close down.
The New Yorker takes the Kathy Hochul view of the world: Why do you care about high crime rates? Why do you care about illegal immigration? Why do you care about anything, and why should I care about what you think or feel?
Only progs read "the New Yorker" so it's no problem for them. They would have enjoyed Saturday night in downtown Chicago, too. The dying cities don't worry me so why should you care about riots and murders?
Blogger Earnest Prole said...
San Francisco’s homicide rate is the very definition of unremarkable: Lower than the United States as a whole, and among the lowest of any American city.
San Francisco property crime, on the other hand, is rampant.
Nuance is kryptonite for dopey people.
You're right. Nobody ever died from stepping on shit. It can kind of slippery, though.
I for one assumed that the murderer would be one of the many crazy homeless people who roam the streets of SF. I apologize to all the crazy homeless people I wrongly impugned.
As for the "so-called crime epidemic", murders were 36% higher in 2021 and 2022 than they were in 2019 according to that right wing news source, CNN. Car break ins are a constant feature and smashed glass is everywhere on the streets. Crime in SF is real, not just "so-called".
I know people from San Fran. It has never been this bad according to people who have lived there for fifty years. The Left’s claims that it is “righties lying on the internet” is pathetic.
SF is a city of extreme poverty and wealth. The rich don't care about the property crime or the poop. They are insulated. They send their kids to private schools, they have 2nd homes (or more), they have live in secure buildings with private security and/doorman. Or like Pelosi, neighborhoods with a little violent crime.
Property crime and "street crime" may be out of control but it doesn't affect them. BART (the public transit system) can be a hellscape (no ones getting pushed on the tracks - yet) but they don't ride it.
2022 homicides - 55. Assaults and Robberies - 5,000. stolen cars/Burglaries - 13,000. Larceny/theft - 36,000
You also have a fairly large Asian population that lives in its own world. They keep a low profile, and mostly eat and shop in their own enclaves.
SF is also a fairly small city comparitively speaking. 50 square miles and 800 thousand compared to NYC's 8 million and 300 square miles - or Chicago's 2.7 million and 200 square miles.
"[This] will not quiet the doomsayers who see San Francisco as a post-apocalyptic zombie set filled with violent psychotic homeless people."
You got that right.
Un-anecdotally, San Francisco is fourth on the list of property crimes per capita. Murder is major, and may not be influenced much by a lax DA. If criminals know that the DA doesn't care much about theft or other property crimes, then you get more of those.
For comparison, Sacramento is 69th on the list and Los Angeles is number 75. Both of these big California cities have about half the property crime of San Francisco.
The plural of anecdote is data.
I am OK with this casuistry, which explains away Lee's death as "not your usual random homeless murder." We wouldn't want to be unfair to the progressive DA's, who are busy opening the prison doors and allowing more and more almost-innocent people to repopulate SFO and other former cities. Rather than depend on the DAs to keep order, we'll just resort to Posse Comitatus. Should be fun.
I especially like the part about the DA "who left office nine months ago". Like, a) there was absolutely nothing wrong with having a DA who paid people to commit crimes, but b) that little Commie monster got recalled, so SF is all hunky-swell now.
Earnest Prole said...
San Francisco’s homicide rate is the very definition of unremarkable: Lower than the United States as a whole, and among the lowest of any American city.
i was curious, how many blacks live in San Fran.. So, i looked it up
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco#Demographics
As of the 2020 census,
the racial makeup and population of San Francisco included: 46,725 African Americans (5.3%)
hmm? you know what? that's Lower than the United States as a whole, and among the lowest of any American city.
i wonder... i Really wonder..
if there is a connection between San Frans's Really low African American population, and its murder rate?
NAHHH!!
Maybe the New Yorker writer should have talked to the mayor;
"London Breed is taking drastic measures to battle the city's spiraling crime crisis, seeking federal assistance as it continues to endure streets ridden with drugs, violence, and homelessness.
The mayor has ironically been known by her critics as a ‘defund the police’ advocate, but as her police department faces steep staffing hurdles amid the surmounting drug epidemic, she sought federal assistance to relieve the city of its years-long challenges.
"The scale of the problem is beyond our local capacity," she wrote in a partnership plea to U.S. Attorney Ismail Ramsey in a March letter, according to the San Francisco Chronicle."
Um,the fact that a street murder isn't committed by a poor black or Latino teen male isn't evidence that you don't have a crime problem.
Ok. We'll take that one off the list.
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