Writes Clare Malone in "The Stunning End of Dominion’s Case Against Fox News/The voting-machine company has agreed to a seven-hundred-million-dollar settlement in its defamation suit against Rupert Murdoch’s cable news network" (The New Yorker).
"The Dominion team walked away from the microphone.... Shackelford... seemed genuinely giddy and did a comic exhalation of breath, bending over and sort of shaking out the sillies. I asked if we would see an on-air apology. Shackelford smiled and snapped back into friendly professionalism—he wasn’t the right person to ask.... At my hotel, I got to the elevator bay at the same time that an entire team of pleased-looking Dominion lawyers did. As they filed in, I introduced myself and wanted to know if they had any answer to my questions about apologies.... They all just smiled as the elevator door closed on my face."
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...Or, they looked at the possibility of getting a fair shake in front of a Delaware jury and and said "nah bruh".
I never understood the drive to blame the voting machines.
That said - there were instances where voters were witness to voting machine problems - like a total switch from R to D. but hey - whatever. You need proof not accusations.
Trump talked about the cheating prior - but did little, prior. Sadly - no one has the power to prove what we all know.
The real issue was the over-night counting in secret, and the ballot box stuffing. (See facebook's ballot boxes in key cities and the mules drops)
I have no doubt that the desperation to keep Trump out of the white house inspired enough cheating to give old basement dweller crook Joe the win.
Arrest me! We are not allowed to say such a thing out loud.
But Hillary and Maddow are allowed to cook up and sell lies about Trump being a Russian Spy.
In Soviet USA the swamp drains you.
If you strike a king you must kill him.
Who cares about apologies? They’re swimming in cash. What a moron. You actually think Dominion’s feelings were hurt? Unreal.
They're selling a product that can't be verified. It wouldn't just be hard to verify, or inconvenient to verify: you can't verify it.
Ken Thompson's Turing lecture "On trusting trust" gives the method whereby, with enough motivation, the machines will do what the bad guy wants, undetectably.
So a claim that it can be trusted to work correctly is bogus.
I'm sure Dominion could have gotten an apology, in exchange for $700 million. They showed what they really care about.
There was a plaintiff's lawyer in Omaha who was fond of saying, "They wouldn't pay money if they were right." Why get an apology when you've been paid millions?
Yes, giant screw-up by Fox. And Trump really duped Fox into it. The machine rigging falsity was the heart of it. That's mostly on Rudy and Sydney Powell.
One of the main reasons Trump lost was old-fashioned cheating and the $500m that Zuck spent. The mail-in ballots and drop boxes in key states were the thing.
Here in Omaha, suburban women personally loathe Trump. There is very little election cheating in NE.
Like I said, I'm done with Trump. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him. But he can't get to 270. Too much baggage and too much cheating in swing states like PA, MI and WI.
I have no doubt that the desperation to keep Trump out of the white house inspired enough cheating to give old basement dweller crook Joe the win.
I suspect that it had more to do with the House, rather than Trump. If the Dems had been on track to gain seats in the House and Senate, like they had expected prior to election night, then Trump would have won, because he would have been neutralized while still serving as a boogieman to drive up Dem fundraising. The panic came when the returns started coming in and people started talking about a possible GOP majority. A Trump reelection with a GOP congress would have been a disaster for the left.
The Kraken has been released. On Fox.
Totally gloating on CNN and MSNBC.
They're selling a product that can't be verified. It wouldn't just be hard to verify, or inconvenient to verify: you can't verify it.
Ken Thompson's Turing lecture "On trusting trust" gives the method whereby, with enough motivation, the machines will do what the bad guy wants, undetectably.
So a claim that it can be trusted to work correctly is bogus.
Western civilization is comprised of institutions and cultures built on a foundation of a high-trust society. Unfortunately, the global managerial class has spent the past 70 years burning away all that for their own short=sighted goals. A lot of the problems today are the result of high-trust institutions operating within a low-trust society, and the subsequent conflicts. Meanwhile, the managerial class cannot understand why nothing works anymore the way it should work.
what would happen IF..
if we did like countries with non corrupt election do?
and had people vote;
on one day?
in person?
on paper?
and we marked their right finger in ink?
If we were doing that... Who would be winning these elections?
just asking
Sean Hannity needs to take a pay cut. He was a total suck-up to Trump. He needs to pay a price for his stupidity.
A good decision. Hopefully, Fox learns a lesson about their constant playing to the ignorant mob.
rhhardin:
At some point, Fox knew that Trump's and Rudy's and Powell's claims were false.
I'm not an expert on media law, but it doesn't strike me as correct that the newsworthiness defense wasn't available and the judge took that from them. That crippled the defense.
If this got dominion voting machines mothballed that would be a great boon to our country.
I agree with HBTPFH.
I thought the voting machine focus was a purposeful distraction from the fake ballots. There is no way 81 million Americans voted for Uncle Joe.
Rupert Murdoch, who is ninety-two, would have to sit in a witness box and answer questions as dozens of journalists looked on.
Brian Cox would have been willing to do it, and the judge and jury would have been none the wiser.
Thinking Fox ran some mock juries and the results were grim. Now on to the Symantic trial in New York state court. They claim $2.7b in damages, dunno how. Also a shareholder derivative case, but that would be a bench trial in Delaware. Way those work damages would be paid to Fox.
What, exactly, did Fox say that was knowingly false?
None of the reporting seems to say.
No apologies, I think, from those reactions from Dominion.
Also, today's WSJ, citing sources close to the matter, says that Fox News will not make an on-air apology as part of the agreement.
The Pentagon has been hacked. Every department in our Nat. Sec. operations has been hacked. The White House has been hacked. Congress has been hacked. Your major and minor banks have been hacked, your information on the 'most secure sites' from Adobe to Yahoo, Facebook, Linkedin, Marriott, Experian & Equifax (loved those), and scores of others have been hacked.
But Dominion, sitting high atop the rest of us mortals, remains the most secure source to run your electronic elections. Forgive me for not buying it. It's pretty easy to hack these things.
Fox could not prove any of the comments that were made on their network. This does not mean Dominion should be trusted to walk your mother across the street, or load up this country with electronic voting machines.
If we were truly interested in voting integrity, we'd eliminate electronic voting machines, which any random 7 year old could tell you are susceptible to infection, or hacking. Eliminate mass ballot mailings- to be used only for oversees or physically impaired. Make elections a week, one week. Not a month. Not extra days after election day. One week running up to election day, and ending ON election night, no later than 8pm locally. Eliminate ballot harvesting. If ever there was an insult to the word 'integrity' this is it. Clean up voter rolls regularly. The full time job of the county election staff should be to make sure registration rolls are accurate and up to date.
If we cannot do this, what's the point of elections? If we refuse to do this- which one party apparently insists on- there's more at play.
Well, Dominion's Attorney team is getting around $245 million so that might be a factor into why they are so giddy.
Dominion also smiling because they don’t have to prove they aren’t enabling and providing fraudulent results. No discovery on them.
Ya, so we need to ban electronic voting…. Imagine AI lurking in the structure of electronic voting.
Paper ballots and purple fingers is the way to go.
That's a LOT of money! Chuck will be over the moon. We shouldn't be using computer voting machines. They introduce doubt in the results, they are prone to fraud, and they are not needed. Other than all that, they are a great idea. Dominion just 20x its value via a lawsuit. Fox must have really wanted to avoid embarrassment. What a joke this country has become.
AITA moment: At my hotel, I got to the elevator bay at the same time that an entire team of pleased-looking Dominion lawyers did. As they filed in, I introduced myself and wanted to know if they had any answer to my questions about apologies.
For the sum of $787 million, Fox was allowed to say this: "We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.” But $787 million is not nuisance money. Given that Fox faces a similar lawsuit from Smartmatic, an apology or admission would likely have cost Dominion a good chunk of the $787 million. Not worth it, for Dominion.
For the sum of $787 million, Fox was allowed to say this: "We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards.” But $787 million is not nuisance money. Given that Fox faces a similar lawsuit from Smartmatic, an apology or admission would likely have cost Dominion a good chunk of the $787 million. Not worth it, for Dominion.
That team of lawyers probably just made ~$300M in contingency fees that they can now divide amongst themselves. Of course they're giddy.
The apology/retraction obsession is nuts. Dominion is owned by a hedge fund with investors including selling management. It was purchased about 5 years ago for under $40m. Even with a contingency fee (just guessing) the return on investment will have been amazing. What LP cares about insincere apologies next to that?
I once defended a premises liability case against a child. Injured at 6, settled at 13. When it settled after summations I can't remember a happier looking person. As if I was writing her a check myself. Even a teen understood that what mattered was $$.
of course raheem kassam showed the testimony of a dominion whistleblower, if you want to ratify the steal, you have to silence all dissent,
Anyone faced with an army of lawyers, a multi-million dollar suit, and a hostile judiciary, already tried in the 'court of public opinion', is going to lose. Innocence or guilt is irrelevant.
I do believe there was a case in the state of Michigan where voting machines were demonstrated to have incorrectly counted the votes, and the votes voided. It was a local news station.
Being in charge of a lot of automation and programming, I would not trust the machines (or rather, the ownership of the machines). There is a serious lack of transparency over these Dominion machines, which demonstrates there is something to hide.
Can we get compensation from the other networks for six years of lies "Russia, Russia, Russia" that were carried on well past the time they were known to be lies?
As I read it, once the judge excluded any evidence there was room to question Dominion's reliability, coupled with FNC hating jury pool, there was no choice but to capitulate.
Didn't Dominion claim $1.6 billion in damages?
So who was the winner here?
Hope that the media cheering on the sidelines enjoy their new insurance premiums.
Would Fox air an apology? Issue a retraction?
Fox dodged public humiliation. This is why Fox settled and this is why other media outlets seem to be so upset about the settlement.
The allegations reported in the news were unimpressive--this or that Fox personality didn't think Trump was robbed. None of it even looked relevant to the suit, just puffery to win the news cycle. That, coupled with the near-impossibility of winning a suit against a media company, left me totally surprised that Dominion got more than a nominal token settlement.
the truth doesn't matter otherwise the finding of halderman aired on hbo and on frontline a months before the election, that prompted at least one judge to reconsider the adoption of these procedures some pause,
Do you remember Benfords Law. 🤣😂🤣
Pepperidge Farms remembers. 😂
"New York Times Magazine
FEATURE
The Crisis of Election Security
As the midterms approach, America’s electronic voting systems are more vulnerable than ever. Why isn’t anyone trying to fix them?
By Kim Zetter
Sept. 26, 2018"
Excerpt:
"How did our election system get so vulnerable, and why haven’t officials tried harder to fix it? The answer, ultimately, comes down to politics and money: The voting machines are made by well-connected private companies that wield immense control over their proprietary software, often fighting vigorously in court to prevent anyone from examining it when things go awry. In Ohio in 2004, for example, where John Kerry lost the presidential race following numerous election irregularities, Kerry’s team was denied access to the voting-machine software. “We were told by the court that you were not able to get that algorithm to check it, because it was proprietary information,” Kerry recalled in a recent interview on WNYC’s “Brian Lehrer Show.” He was understandably rueful, arguing how wrong it was that elections are held under “the purview of privately owned machines, where the public doesn’t have the right to know whether the algorithm has been checked or whether they’re hackable or not. And we now know they are hackable.”"
Read the whole thing.
https://web.archive.org/web/20181010024836/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/magazine/election-security-crisis-midterms.html
CBS: Why voting machines in the U.S. are easy targets for hackers (Sept. 19, 2018)
“Tens of thousands of voting machines in the United States are vulnerable to hacking. They have been successfully dismantled and attacked by security researchers for years to demonstrate their flaws.
In 2017, at the annual Defcon hackers conference, one tech professor from the University of Copenhagen was able to penetrate an Advanced Voting Solutions machine in about 90 minutes. The attackers were able to access the administrator mode, allowing them to potentially alter voting data.
At this year's conference, a group of hackers was able to crack one in 15 minutes. One hacker told CNET: "Should you be trusting your vote with these? I don't think so." "They're running Windows. They have USB ports. They're actual computers and are very susceptible to attacks," says Cris Thomas, the global strategy lead for IBM's X-Force cybersecurity team.”
The Guardian: Kids at hacking conference show how easily US elections could be sabotaged (Aug. 22, 2018)
“The risk of a hacker casting the validity of an election into question through one of any number of other entry points is huge, and the actual difficulty of such an attack is child’s play. Literally. “The most vulnerable part of election infrastructure is the websites,” explained the security expert Jake Braun…
Unlike a voting machine, Braun explains, websites represent a compelling target because they are, by their nature, connected to the internet 24/7. And, whether they are used for voter registration, online campaigning, or announcing the results at the end of the election, they can be used to sow havoc…Armed with facsimiles of the websites of 13 battleground states and a child-friendly guide to basic hacking techniques, the kids were set loose on critical infrastructure – and proceeded to tear it apart…
“The No 1 thing we found last year wasn’t a hack at all; it was the fact that we opened up the back of the machine, and of course, no surprise, all the parts are made across the world, especially China. This isn’t conjecture; this isn’t my dystopian fantasy world; this is something we know they do
…The fragmentation argument is absolute horseshit because once you’re in the chips, you can hack whole classes of machines, nationwide, from the fucking Kremlin.”… The bad actor just needs to steal enough votes in a few counties in America’s battleground states – just enough to swing a close election…“I’ve only one conclusion,” said Schürmann: “Use paper and do your audits.”
PBS: An 11-year-old changed election results on a replica Florida state website in under 10 minutes (Aug. 12, 2018)
“An 11-year-old boy on Friday was able to hack into a replica of the Florida state election website and change voting results found there in under 10 minutes during the world’s largest yearly hacking convention, DEFCON 26, organizers of the event said.
“These are very accurate replicas of all of the sites,” Sell told the PBS NewsHour on Sunday. “These things should not be easy enough for an 8-year-old kid to hack within 30 minutes; it’s negligent for us as a society.”
Dominion's business model is selling something that does a very important job but cannot be verified to actually function properly (except by themselves, of course). The machines have been questioned in a bipartisan manner. It is not a useful product, and Dominion is not a useful company.
To be quite honest, when your job is to do something this critical to the function of the state, the burden of proof is on Dominion to prove that their systems are foolproof. I understand that is not how libel cases work, but it is the reality of adopting their product in any way that is sane. Alas, we do not live in a sane world.
BBC: Hacking the US mid-terms? It's child's play (Aug. 11, 2018)
“Bianca Lewis, 11, has many hobbies. She likes Barbie, video games, fencing, singing… and hacking the infrastructure behind the world’s most powerful democracy…She’s taking part in a competition organized by R00tz Asylum, a non-profit organization that promotes “hacking for good”
…Its aim is to send out a dire warning: the voting systems that will be used across America for the mid-term vote in November are, in many cases, so insecure a young child can learn to hack them with just a few minute’s coaching.”
I got the above from Kanekoa The Great's twitter.
There are many, many more examples there of voting machine reliability being called into question by the MSM in 2018 when the narrative was that Trump and Republicans had cheated.
https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1648585506387824642
The settlement, $787 million, is perhaps 20 times the full value of Dominion. How can damages be far more than the value of the company?
"no one has the power to prove what we all know."
Then we don't "know" any such thing.
"Many of Fox's arguments had been crippled in pretrial hearings..."
And that's how you know the fix was in, especially in Delaware. One wonders which country has the offshore bank account where the judge's remuneration will be sent.
Guys, I’m beginning to suspect Sidney Powell may never get around to releasing the Kraken and therefore Donald Trump may never be reinstated as the Rightful 46th President of the United States.
Dominion dodged a bullet there. I still don't trust them but they are very good at hiding what they do.
I wrote it multiple times- the fraud in the election had nothing to do with Dominion's voting machines. It was always straight up ballot box stuffing, made far easier by the cancer of mail-in-voting.
Dominion just beginning you got the Kracken lady and the insane Guilliani coming up with OANN and Newsmax and SMARTMATIC(2.7 BILLION) MONEY IS THE APOLOGY that's all the lying rich folks know and care about. Murdoch has paid off millions from OREILLY TO THE BLONDE LADY AND PLUS.FOX only has 1 thing going fr them, feed the delusional with lies and misinformation and they'll be fine.NO APOLOGIES, Thats for the serfs to want, just PAY UP!trump is still spreading the lies and he is the king of it all. Murdoch handled this like a dunce,all info out and then he folds? Never be good in TEXAS HOLD EM.
Transparency and accountability in elections are fundamental to our Republic. Ask yourself why you would trust a voting machine that is, by law, supposed to be inaccessible with tightly-controlled privileges, and yet in certain key districts, was accessible remotely through wireless servers, and was being administered by unappointed private officials, who just happened to be electoral operatives, funded by Democrat political action money - who had access to the machines in real time. Please don't try to tell us that our elections are fair, open, transparent, and honest when so much effort has been poured into resisting audits and blocking oversight of election rolls. It won't wash. Dominion won the game, not the war.
I hope Clare Malone is feeling okay after those elevator doors closed on her face. Must have been painful.
Who cares about apologies? They’re swimming in cash. What a moron. You actually think Dominion’s feelings were hurt? Unreal.
Also, there was (and is) no risk that anything Fox said would impact Dominion's business - Dems control voting decisions like which machines to use and have no intention of moving on from Dominion. Ironically, this seems to me to be pretty good evidence that the Dominion machines did switch Trump votes to Biden.
"Rechnungsprüfung Ist Verboten", G. Soros.
"Shouldn’t almost all media outlets be sued for their continuous regurgitation of intentional lies about Russian disinformation and calling Trump an illegitimate President. They intentionally disregarded the truth for years as they sought to destroy Trump and his administration. They supported continuous witch hunts that were based on nothing. They continually had people like Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell on to spread the lies. They disenfranchised the voters that supported Trump by falsely calling him an illegitimate President.
The interference in elections by the American media dwarfed anything Russia, China, and Iran have ever done."
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/04/shouldnt_most_media_outlets_be_sueable.html
"But he can't get to 270."
No Republican can.
I'll accept that Fox told its audience wanted it wanted to hear and did so in denial of what was the truth and what some of its on-air talent believed was the truth. I don't understand how that amounts to 3/4 of a billion dollars worth of damages, but that's the figure both parties agreed to. Has a precedent been set? Can anyone who suffered a loss of reputation in the Russia collusion stories now sue? Can they sue in Idaho?.....The msm are more subtle in their biases. In Robert Caro's book "The Power Broker", he reported that overpasses on the Long Island Expressway were low so that buses could not navigate them and thus Black people could not travel to Jones Beach. The story has been disputed, but that story is widely repeated. It's one of the foundations of the highways are racist narrative. In another of Caro's books, this one on LBJ, he reports that LBJ won his first election to the Senate by means of massive voter fraud--massive as in several hundred thousand votes. That story is not widely or--for that matter--ever repeated.
Some fascinating comments here. Highlighting a selected few:
Dave Begley said...
...
Like I said, I'm done with Trump. If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him. But he can't get to 270. Too much baggage and too much cheating in swing states like PA, MI and WI.
You've claimed "cheating in MI..." more times than I can count. I'd really like to meet you, and discuss your claim of "cheating in MI" in detail. Our (then) Republican-majority state senate studied the 2020 election and determined that the election was neither stolen nor fraudulent.
Old and slow said...
That's a LOT of money! Chuck will be over the moon. We shouldn't be using computer voting machines. They introduce doubt in the results, they are prone to fraud, and they are not needed. Other than all that, they are a great idea. Dominion just 20x its value via a lawsuit. Fox must have really wanted to avoid embarrassment. What a joke this country has become.
Yes, no, no, and yes. Although what I really wanted was a trial. A trial, in which Tucker, Hannity and Ingraham were all humiliated publicly, under oath. After that, a videotaped apology from multiple Fox hosts and executives. A groveling, tearful apology. I clearly didn't get that, so I'm not as happy as I might be.
Now about the amount of this settlement. You make a very good point, echoed by this next comment:
Blackbeard said...
The settlement, $787 million, is perhaps 20 times the full value of Dominion. How can damages be far more than the value of the company?
It's a fascinating question. There is no earthly way that Fox's defamatory coverage of Dominion could have caused Dominion that amount of economic damages. So then there is the question of punitive and exemplary damages. It could be a lot; but it would be really hard to blackboard a punitive/exemplary damages claim of this amount; if a jury awarded it, the trial court (applying the usual federal court and Delaware court constraints on runaway punitive jury verdicts) might reduce the final judgment amount, or an appellate court might reduce it. (For that matter, an appellate court might review some of the trial court's pretrial rulings on the burden of proof, etc.)
Additionally; there is some case law suggesting that a corporate Defendant's revenue might be considered as an element in a punitive damages award. Fox's annual profits are about $1.2b on revenue of about $14b. The only justification for this settlement would be based largely on a hypothetical question of, "How much is enough to really punish Fox?" This settlement is a bigger number than any comparable products liablity or other personal injury case.
So the only way to understand this settlement is that Dominion got MORE in the settlement than they could have reasonably hoped for in a "best case" trial scenario. It is a stunningly total win for Dominion and a colossal defeat for Fox. This is just how much Fox didn't want a public trial. It is an otherwise-inexplicably huge settlement amount.
Michael K said...
Dominion dodged a bullet there. I still don't trust them but they are very good at hiding what they do.
WTF? Dominion "dodged a bullet"?! Dominion is "hiding" something?!? What the fuck are you talking about? Let me know if there is some online forum -- apart from Althouse's comments pages -- where I can question you about these insane Big Lie claims. I'm quite serious. Would you like to debate this?
Here's your thread winner right here:
Earnest Prole said...
Guys, I’m beginning to suspect Sidney Powell may never get around to releasing the Kraken and therefore Donald Trump may never be reinstated as the Rightful 46th President of the United States.
With yuuuge props to Dave Begley's inspiration:
Dave Begley said...
The Kraken has been released. On Fox.
Totally gloating on CNN and MSNBC.
Got that right. Does my heart good to know that at least occasionally, you're watching CNN and MSNBC.
Dave, I have several selected Fox shows that I regard as nearly-mandatory viewing. Bret Baier. Fox News Sunday. Howie Kurtz. Occasionally, Neil Cavuto. So concomitantly, I'm genuinely interested in what you choose to watch on MSNBC or CNN.
Who was the Internet security guy who used to give out his SSN on his TV ads? He got burned in the end, but he was putting his money where his mouth was. How is Dominion doing along those lines? To claim to be secure, unhackable (!), and accurate but to refuse to enable outside auditing is not exactly the recipe that fills this voter with confidence that my vote will be recorded and reported correctly.
That said - I agree with those who say they believe the election fraud that moved the needle in those areas where it needed to be moved in 2020 was your common or garden variety, not voting machine hacking. Occam's razor dictates 3 things to me in this instance: 1. Joe Biden did not have popular support; however, his media support was overwhelming. 2. Media support for Biden, or rather, media attacks on Trump combined with media cover for Biden, made the election more about voting against Trump than about voting for Biden. 3. Election tampering, from rule changes through election-day problems in Republican-heavy districts up to and including the usual kinds of fraud, led to Biden's narrow victory in the places where it needed to happen, in order for him to win under our system. Oh, heck, let me add a fourth. 4. Biden has been for decades and continues to be a corrupt inarticulate ineffectual boob, inept at everything except making sure his family continues to benefit from his government "service" and his political enemies suffer for their sins against him.
Hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras.
FOX only has 1 thing going fr them, feed the delusional with lies and misinformation and they'll be fine.
Dopey D prefers what he watches on CNN and MSNBC. I don't watch Fox or any TV except college football and Tucker. Murdoch had no chance of a fair verdict in Delaware, the former slave state that loves Biden and his crime family. Of course Dominion filed in Delaware. Every corrupt corporation is registered in Delaware.
That kid who sued CNN was smart to sue in Kentucky, far from DC.
Western civilization is comprised of institutions and cultures built on a foundation of a high-trust society. Unfortunately, the global managerial class has spent the past 70 years burning away all that for their own short=sighted goals. A lot of the problems today are the result of high-trust institutions operating within a low-trust society, and the subsequent conflicts. Meanwhile, the managerial class cannot understand why nothing works anymore the way it should work.
Yes. I wonder what Peter Drucker would think about what has happened the last 25 years?
the fraud in the election had nothing to do with Dominion's voting machines. It was always straight up ballot box stuffing, made far easier by the cancer of mail-in-voting
In other words, Republicans were outstrategized and outhustled. For years Republicans held a significant advantage in early voting, then Donald Trump told them to vote only on election day, with predictably disastrous results in 2020 and 2022. There’s a word for those who fail to match the competitive innovations of their opponents: Losers.
The enemies, a complete list
Donald Trump
Ron deSantis
Clarence Thomas
Fox News
"Dominion dodged a bullet there. I still don't trust them but they are very good at hiding what they do."
Filing a defamation lawsuit is a pretty odd way to keep something "hush hush." 🤣 Oh my, you guys are so far gone there is no common sense or reason remaining.
Fox News is not news.
Michael said...
The enemies, a complete list
Donald Trump
Ron DeSantis
Clarence Thomas
Fox News
Fascists all!
It’s cute some you think if it’s not Trump you have a chance…
Ried this elsewhere, didn't seem to take. trying again.
Presume Important Person X at Fox sends an email containing an assertion which is a clear falsehood and likely defamatory to another Important Person at Fox. Second Important Person does not replay. Is that any kind of evidence in court? Not speaking legally, but in court where "legally" frequently goes to die.
Does it imply agreement? Is failure to correct an internal email's assertions the same as approval? Does it mean sufficient recklessness as to cross the standard for libel?
Which is to day, I'm wondering how many emails went one way and resulted in no reaction whatsoever and whether they were counted against Fox.
"In other words, Republicans were outstrategized and outhustled. For years Republicans held a significant advantage in early voting, then Donald Trump told them to vote only on election day, with predictably disastrous results in 2020 and 2022. There’s a word for those who fail to match the competitive innovations of their opponents: Losers."
While everything you wrote is factually true, the broad characterization is inaccurate. Republicans were less willing to cheat using mail-in-ballots. I hope their reluctance will be less in 2024 since cheating is the only way to counteract the Democrats doing so, as the courts have made abundantly clear in the last 3 years. The Republicans will need to also drive their turnout above 100% in the areas of the various states that they firmly control at the local level. When overall turnout reaches 120% in a few years, maybe, just maybe the Democrats agree to come to the table and negotiate an end to ballots with no chain of custody or verification of authenticity.
It’s cute some you think if it’s not Trump you have a chance…
It's absolutely precious that you guys take this picture literally.
https://tinyurl.com/Super-Trump
He's our "only hope." Do you people really believe this? Like really? Like Trump is Jesus or Luke Sky Walker or Super Man or something. Like he is literally your savior and hero?
gadfly said...
Michael said...
The enemies, a complete list
Donald Trump
Ron DeSantis
Clarence Thomas
Fox News
Fascists all!
4/19/23, 3:22 PM
YOU are obviously ignorant of what the word FASCIST means.
While everything you wrote is factually true, the broad characterization is inaccurate. Republicans were less willing to cheat using mail-in-ballots.
As I noted there’s a word for those who fail to emulate the innovations of their opponent: Losers. If Republicans want to win they will match Democrats strategy for strategy and then some, and they will also dump the guy who told them not to vote in 2020 and 2022.
It wasn't the voting machines that facilitated the steal.
It was five swing states stopping the count at the exact, same time, throwing out the watchers and then miraculously having Biden ahead when updating their totals three hours later.
I guess OJ was innocent.
I figure Fox news is Republican Party propaganda, but I'm glad they survived their lawfare lawsuit. If Fox news disappeared, all that would be left is the Democratic Party propaganda at NPR, the NYTimes, etc., and that would be bleak.
There are many jurisdictions where you can reasonably assume you won't get a fair trial, if you are going against the narrative dictated by the Democrats. Delaware is one.
Delaware is Joe Biden’s bought and paid for bailiwick. How else did he become a multimillionaire?
Blogger D.D. Driver said...
"Dominion dodged a bullet there. I still don't trust them but they are very good at hiding what they do."
Filing a defamation lawsuit is a pretty odd way to keep something "hush hush." �� Oh my, you guys are so far gone there is no common sense or reason remaining.
Dopey D, if you know the fix is in, like a Delaware or NYC jury or a DC jury, it's pretty safe for Democrats. Recent examples are Scooter Libby and Greg Craig. DC juries.
"but hey - whatever. You need proof not accusation"
Or a system sufficiently auditable.
Blogger rhhardin said...
"They're selling a product that can't be verified. It wouldn't just be hard to verify, or inconvenient to verify: you can't verify it."
The state I live in regularly does random hand counts to verify voting machine results. Just because you say something, doesn't mean it's true.
I've only just started to read through the comments, but the number of people who haven't learned that lesson here is shocking.
Why would they talk to the Times? It's their job description to make this go away.
Goldberg is a consistent idiot. What part of her job does she understand?
Yancy is right. Mail in ballots are the big fraud. Here in Atlanta, so is walking around money. It's practically quaint.
Yancy is right. Mail in ballots are the big fraud. Here in Atlanta, so is walking around money. It's practically quaint.
The state I live in regularly does random hand counts to verify voting machine results.
That's good, and all should. Do they?
I know enough about cybersecurity to believe that the Dominion machines are hackable, though probably not deliberately so. And any decent hacker would have the malware erase his tracks as the last step before shutting down. The best way to prove that they can be hacked would be to hack them to give 100% of the votes to Donald Trump. It would be really funny they do it for a Democrat primary.
This is purely a thought experiment since I spent my career developing countermeasures, and I’m not a hacker myself.
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