E. Jean Carroll testified today, reported in "Live Updates: E. Jean Carroll Accuses Trump of Rape in Testimony/The writer’s account of an assault was detailed and harrowing. She said an amusing encounter at Bergdorf Goodman turned terrifying and ended her romantic life forever" (NYT).
“He came through the door and said, 'Hey, you are that advice lady,'” she testified, adding that she replied, “Hey, you’re that real estate tycoon.” She said she was delighted when he asked for her help selecting a gift. “I love to give advice, and here was Donald Trump asking me for advice about buying a present.... That was a wonderful prospect for me.”
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Cinematic. I assume she's sold the movie rights to My Harrowing Encounter?
Remind me when this alleged event occurred?
And who witnessed what? By "witness" I mean "somebody present at the scene, awake, attentive, competent, sentient and of sound mind and memory then and now, not completely compromised then or now by conflicting interests for or against either party"?
Thanks, I'll take my answer off the air.
Statues of limitations exist for a good reason. And yes, I understand that this is not a criminal trial but a defamation case. It's terrible if she is telling the truth, but the notion that he is defaming her by denying her impossible to prove charges seems absurd. It puts Trump in an impossible no-win situation. I do understand that that is the intention. This gives women absolute power to destroy any man if they are sufficiently motivated to do so.
I've heard that we should believe all women in such matters, but unfortunately, leftist women have not had a great track record for telling the truth lately. "Dr. Babytalk" in the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings was Exhibit A.
I just Googled this. The alleged event dates to 2000 or so --23 years ago.
Everybody's different so I would love to hear from readers how much they remember from 2000. Details, please. Sure: we're talking "sexual assault" or rather the allegation of it. So it should loom large. But let's have the details.
More importantly, let's have the confident claims that, ever since, you have been utterly crippled in your social activity by what happened then with DJT --yet until now you were able to bide your time and hope for your moment.
The courtroom fell silent as Carroll described her encounter with Trump in great detail.
Could she name the year, much less the date, of this life-changing event?
Generic Orange Apologia: Trump never did x and if he did it sure was badass.
Errr....back 75 years ago some considered rape worse than murder because the woman had to "go on living" after the crime. The average view of rape fully reversed over the decades where most now consider it better to live and adapt following adversity.
I was agnostic about this case, but now think Carroll is at best mentally unstable or Donald is literally superhuman. Trump had a pattern of "mentally breaking" everyone who crossed him politically. This testimony will become a meme and metaphor for the Democrats nationally: "I was never normal after Donald." He keeps setting up his rent-free nest in many heads...
Seems to me that these accusations will be impossible to verify. Given that it is a civil suit, the burden of proof is much lower and may pivot on who the jury finds more credible. When trump was seen as a leftist back before 2015, that would have been an even shot, but now that he is literally Hitler, a NY jury will not rule in his favor. What makes me less inclined to believe the accusation include: The Kavanaugh lynching, the length of time since the event, and the myriad cases against Trump that have turned out to be manufactured. I no longer trust that the left won't manufacture anything to destroy a conservative.
If you believe that testimony, you'll believe anything!
The bullshit never stops. This is unbelievable. A jury is is supposed to believe that Trump a famous person then and her a famous person then were supposed to have screwed in a department store during business hours and no one would have noticed or heard a thing. I said screwed because Trump was a horndog so I would not be surprised if he was screwing on the side. I suspect that she screwed him somewhere else and he didn't come back for more and decades later she files this outrageous suit to take him out for her own political reasons and get money from him to boot.
The bullshit never stops. This is unbelievable. A jury is is supposed to believe that Trump a famous person then and her a famous person then were supposed to have screwed in a department store during business hours and no one would have noticed or heard a thing. I said screwed because Trump was a horndog so I would not be surprised if he was screwing on the side. I suspect that she screwed him somewhere else and he didn't come back for more and decades later she files this outrageous suit to take him out for her own political reasons and get money from him to boot.
She's waiting for the right man.
She's that lady that likes to shoot bows and arrows at pictures of the people she hates. She fantasizes about having nothing to lose and attacking people that she simply disagrees.
Some other things from the link:
Ms. Carroll has been divorced twice, but she has no regrets about her past relationships. She says she’s simply not meant for marriage. “You’re on this earth to have as many chaps as you want,” Ms. Carroll told me. She is, mostly out of curiosity, on Tinder, even though her new game, Damn Love, is a send-up of the app, and Tawkify, her matchmaking service, is positioned as an answer to the impersonal aspects of online dating. “There’s nobody in my vicinity, because I’m the oldest woman on Tinder,” she said. “But that’s great.”
She's had sex with no man since Trump raped her in 1996, but in 2015, she boasted to "The Observer" that she had a Tinder app, and "You're on this earth to have as many chaps as you want".
She may be telling the truth, but unless she has physical evidence to support any of her claim (she says she has the outfit from that day unwashed since the event and also never sent to a forensics lab for analysis); I'm thinking Trump was right to call her a liar.
“If you lose a round,” Ms. Carroll said, “it’s because you didn’t think evilly enough.”
Hmmmm..... sounds like misogyny.
Apparently, she can't say what year the alleged rape happened or what month of the year or what season of the year. That does not inspire confidence that her accusation is true unless one is strongly predisposed to believe anything bad about Donald Trump.
I'm trying to imagine, if the event was such a watershed in her life, how she would be unable to relate it to other things that happening in her life at the time. For example, did it affect her work? What was she working on at the time? Did it affect a romantic relationship? With who?
It makes it impossible for Trump to produce an alibi. Kavanaugh's accuser did the same thing.
"The allegations against Mr Trump were first laid out in an excerpt from her book What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, that ran in New York magazine in June 2019."
So, she waited 20 years to report it, not by going to the police but by putting it in a book she wanted to sell.
She can't remember the year, it was decades ago, and she has no corroboration at all. But it just happens to damage a prominent Republican.
I think I've seen this movie before...
Reid Hoffman intends to get his money's worth.
Caroll is to the Hot/Crazy matrix as candy is to the stinky/flies matrix. She ain't hot, and candy's not stinky.
I'm eagerly awaiting reading an objective report of the cross-examination.
I'm eagerly awaiting reading an objective report of the cross-examination.
Good memory for someone who never tried to get help or report it then.
So she said this happened decades ago??? Before he was President? And she never filed a claim.. a compliant... a police report?
More on that story...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Jean_Carroll
Carroll says she has not been able to form a romantic relationship since the encounter. She said she hasn’t had sex since then, either.
Look at that woman's brow.
It's not Trump. It's the Parkinson's disease ruining her sex life.
ITs amazing how people are willing to shamelessly lie in public today. And when they lie about Trump, the liars get applauded and feel moral about telling their lies.
This woman is on the same level as Stormy Daniels. Pure Pond Scum.
45 and #2 son risking judge's wrath for posting things ruled inadmissible on social media. Funding and DNA test.
Believe. All. Women.
How do you defend yourself if you’re Trump? Even if he can prove he was on Epstein Island at the time she alleges this occurred, the biased jury will still find him responsible.
Again, the idea that one of the most famous and recognizable people on the planet can simply walk into a high-end department store like a regular Joe - and rape someone - is bullshit on stilts.
didnt she also say she was raped
by Les Moonves?
Later in the 1990s, Carroll said, Moonves attacked her after she interviewed him at a hotel for an article in Esquire. She said he followed her to the elevator at the hotel and assaulted her.
"I don't know how many apertures and openings you possess, Reader, but Moonves, with his arms squirming and poking and goosing and scooping and pricing and prodding and jabbing, is looking for fissures I don't even know I own, and -- by God! -- I am not certain that even if I pull off one of his arms it won't crawl after me and attack me in my hotel bed," Carroll wrote, comparing him to an octopus.
I assume she's suing Les Moonves for battery for that attack, also, given the unlimited statute of limitations of NY's Adult Survivors act? And for defamation also, since he denied it?
I'm sure this jury will give all the evidence a fair hearing--no doubt about that.
Christine Blasey Ford, too? Is #MeToo still a viable racket?
Does this imply that the allegation of tax fraud by witness of a legal fraud is no longer viable?
New York jury of super liberals, evidence not needed. She'll get a good award, Trump will carry it to appeal.
I'm still shocked that any law would allow a woman to sue for an event that she claims occurred 30 years prior. Thirty years ago was the year after 1992, "the Year of the Woman". Women were allowed to sue and were actively suing men left and right for sexual harassment, let alone rape. She kept quiet on this issue until Donald Trump was President and then in an email she confided with a friend to "scheme" to get Trump. It reveals her motive and truthfulness. Only in a NYC court would this farce be allowed.
It was thirty years ago today
The alleged act took place she say
LOL! She is completely full of shit, as can be proven using her own past words.
E Jean Carrol REPEATEDLY raped ME back in the 1970's!!
I mean, it's not true or anything; but i see it's the day to make outlandish accusations: without proof
That's a long, long time without sex. I would certainly hope Trump's lawyers have witnesses to to the contrary as I don't believe her.
She’s lying.
After Russia collusion lies, the Stormy Daniels indictment, the raid on Mara-Lago, the Trump said "drink bleach"...we're supposed to believe that this woman who said on live TV that "Most people think of rape as being sexy" is telling the truth?
Rape is violent. Nobody thinks rape is sexy. Except maybe E. Jean Carroll in her own twisted fantasies. The only possible reality is she is describing one of HER fantasies. Not a reality.
So what does Trump's legal team do? Find a guy willing to testify he's had sex with her in the last 25 years? But at this point, what guy in his right mind would admit that?
How does someone who believes "Most people think of rape as being sexy" and can say it on live TV, being interviewed about an alleged rape...engage in "normal" sex?
This woman is another Democrat nutcase.
1990s. She has been suffering since the 1990s but never did anything about it. Even though she is a privileged white woman with money. Bullshit.
For me -- because I have been in depositions where similar things have happened -- the standout moment of this case so far was the one described here:
https://lawandcrime.com/live-trials/e-jean-carroll-rape-suit/donald-trump-skewered-in-court-for-mixing-up-rape-accuser-with-ex-wife-marla-maples-in-deposition-unsealed-docs/
I urge you dear readers to note the shameless and unprofessional (at the least) coaching of the witness Trump by attorney Alina Habba. I'd be calling for sanctions if I were opposing counsel, but the main thing is using the deposition transcript at trial and that is what began to happen as soon as opening statements began:
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1650954293904588801
During an Oct. 19 deposition at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida, which was made public Wednesday, Trump was shown a photo from an NBC event around 1987.
The image shows him from behind, facing Carroll and her then-husband, television journalist John Johnson, with Trump’s then-wife, the late Ivana Trump standing to his right.
“It’s Marla,” said Trump about the photo.
Carroll’s lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, said, “You’re saying Marla is in this photo?”
Trump replied: “That’s Marla, yeah. That’s my wife.”
His lawyer Alina Habba then interjected, “No, that’s Carroll.”
Trump said, “Oh, I see.”
Kaplan then said, “The person you just pointed to was E. Jean Carroll.”
When Habba repeated to Trump, “That’s Carroll,” he replied, “That’s Carroll?”
Elsewhere in the deposition, Trump said of Carroll, “She’s not my type.”
“She is not a woman I would ever be attracted to,” he added later.
The deposition was attached to a court filing last week by Carroll’s lawyers, but became public Wednesday after Trump’s lawyers dropped their opposition to it being made public.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/19/trump-believed-rape-accuser-e-jean-carroll-was-wife-in-photo.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1674102130
The premise of feminist progress is that not only are women confounded by the mysteries of sex and conception, but their memories are recollected in decadal thoughts. After taking a knee to males in the year of the femimale, this is the hallmark of social progress recorded in The XX-Files... someone wants us to believe.
Leland said...She's had sex with no man since Trump raped her in 1996, but in 2015, she boasted to "The Observer" that she had a Tinder app, and "You're on this earth to have as many chaps as you want".
Where did you see that? I haven't. If that's real, game over.
But...it's a NY jury, right? I picture a NY jury to be all AOCs.
I have read in several articles that NY state passed a law to waive the statute of limitations restrictions for old sexual assault cases. However, no one ever gives any further explanation.
Did the state pass this law JUST to get another bite at the apple to "get Trump"? Or did they believe they needed to somehow show the normies that they are going to get tough on crime, and decided that sexual assaults was a permissible category to lock people up? (Yes, I know, Trump is not on trial for a criminal offense.)
IANAL, but how can such a law apply retroactively to someone that was already outside of the allowable statute of limitations? Doesn't American legal jurisprudence generally forbid the ex post facto application of new laws?
Can a convicted sex offender still run for president?I know the qualifications aren't too stringent.Asking for a friend
"When trump was seen as a leftist back before 2015, that would have been an even shot, but now that he is literally Hitler, a NY jury will not rule in his favor."
???!!!
When was Trump ever seen as a leftist, and by whom? If such persons actually existed, they were/are idiots. More likely, you're either trolling or...trolling.
I served on numerous juries in NYC (Manhattan) over 40 years--civil, criminal, and grand juries--and, in my experience in all cases, the jurors I've served with have been exceedingly conscientious, always going to great pains to be judicious and fair to the defendants (or the accused in grand juries) and to apply the law as explained by the judges in each case.
I'm sure there are jurors who are not so fastidious, and jury decisions that may not have been well-founded, but I have not seen such jurors or been party to such outcomes.
E. Jean Carol is a name I haven't heard since she had a call in chat show on the old America's Talking cable network back in the mid 1990's.
She was in a crowded department store. She did not scream for help. She was not raped; any sex, if it happened at all, was consensual. She is spinning a tale for gullible jurors, and for gullible women outside the courtroom.
Earnest Prole: "Generic Orange Apologia: Trump never did x and if he did it sure was badass."
Provide an example of someone making this argument for this obviously hoaxed up claim that you are seeking to breathe life into.
DavidUW: "She’s lying."
Clearly. But its good enough for Prole.
my question is the dressing room.
How large? Was there a door, or a curtain?
Was there other people who could have heard what was going on?
How thick were the walls?
Wasn't there a person or camera to check that people weren't stealing the expensive dress?
What about security in the area to make sure women were safe (another woman could steal their purse for example, or maybe a robbe/rapist could hide there and prey on their customers).
Rape is a serious thing. If she was really raped - she would have made sure to call the police and get a rape kit... and nail Trump back then.
This one doesn't pass the smell test.
That said - it is possible they screwed - but it was probably consensual. again- who knows and who cares?
When was Trump ever seen as a leftist, and by whom? If such persons actually existed, they were/are idiots.
" U.S. President Donald Trump was awarded a medal of honor by the Ellis Island Honors Society in 1986 “for contributing to the conditions of inner city [sic] Black youths, standing alongside Muhammad Ali and Rosa Parks.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-trump-ellisisland-idUSL1N2LN260
I expect she is lying. It is fashionable to lie about republicans raping you these days. You don't have to remember when, where, who, what anything and the democrat media will take over.
If she didn't press charges when it happened, it didn't happen.
We shouldn't forget Ivana Trump's deposition given in her divorce case. She testified that after Donald went to a plastic surgeon recommended by Ivana, to surgically reduce a bald patch on his scalp, Trump returned to their apartment in a rage, because he was in pain and thought that the surgeon had "ruined" him. Ivana testified that Donald ripped her clothes off and penetrated her (she felt "violated") for the first time in sixteen months. As he pulled out clumps of her hair, apparently as a form of vengeance for what he had experienced.
LINK.
(eaglebeak)
Chuck--we also shouldn't forget that Ivana later denied all of this, the implication being left that it was a move to get more money, sympathy, etc., in their divorce case.
You may not believe her denial, but there's no more reason to believe her claim than to believe her denial.
For some strange reason, an earlier comment of mine is not appearing.
I pointed out, and linked to, the hilariously rotten deposition testimony of Donald Trump in this E.Jean Carroll defamation case.
Donald Trump skewered in court for mixing up rape accuser with ex-wife Marla Maples in deposition: Unsealed docs.
Plaintiff's counsel already began to use that deposition testimony in oral argument. The jury is going to hear all about it.
How do you defend yourself from lies, when the judge, and the jury, who is made up of Manhattan Progressives HATE you because you aren't them??? This supposedly happened over 20 years ago. Must be nice to have a rich financer, and laws changed so that you can spew your lies to ruin a man.
Progressives will lie, cheat and steal to get their way. It is the new transformed America way!!
Molly said...
(eaglebeak)
Chuck--we also shouldn't forget that Ivana later denied all of this, the implication being left that it was a move to get more money, sympathy, etc., in their divorce case.
Well she was under oath for her deposition testimony, but not for her subsequent denials when she never really said it didn't happen, but rather that she never meant it as a "criminal" rape. She got paid, and agreed to one of the innumerable Trump NDA's.
Fiction can be detailed and compelling, too. Who is financing her lawsuit?
@Gusty Winds
I provided the link to The Observer article in my first post. The paragraph is just about 5 away from being the last paragraph, but it's all there.
Rape is a serious thing.
But golddigging whores have been doing everything they can to make rape a punchline. You go, girlz!
So, she is claiming that she hasn't been on a date or had sex since 2000.
Trump should therefore be allowed to offer a financial reward to anyone who can come forward and dispute this claim, yes?
And if so much as one person can testify that he has had sex with her since 2000, and provide as much corroborating evidence as she has provided that Trump raped her, we would take that as proof that she's lying
Yes?
Or are we 100% down with show trials?
"Carroll says she has not been able to form a romantic relationship since the encounter. She said she hasn’t had sex since then, either."
If Carroll were willing to wear a Rod Dreher mask I think LLR-democratical and Violent Homosexual Rage Rape Fantasist Chuck just might be willing to give her/"him" a go.
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