Writes Harry Enten, in "Voters of color are a big reason Trump leads the GOP primary" (CNN).
But Trump’s overperformance with Republican voters of color makes sense in another way. The Republican primary race right down is breaking down along class lines just like it did during the 2016 primary. Trump’s base is made up of Republicans whose households pull in less than $50,000 a year. He led this group of voters by 22 points over DeSantis in our CNN poll. He trailed DeSantis by 13 points among those GOP voters making at least $50,000 a year. This is a 35 point swing between these two income brackets....
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Guessing his stand on immigration most explains this polling.
Everything is racist.
And everyone is a color.
Fucking tired of this shit.
The country I grew up in and loved is gone...
He doesn't say what "voters of color" comprise: Blacks, Asians, Hispanics? But blacks did very well under Trump, so this shouldn't be a surprise. Of course the "many Americans view Trump as racist" is just a useful trope for slandering Trump without any content.
Truth hurts.
Voters with higher incomes are dumb enough to believe what the media tells them about racism.
The “many Americans” who think Donald Trump is a racist are full of shit.
Maybe Trump isn't actually racist.
Correction. Many white liberal Americans, without evidence, view Trump as a racist.
Enten is saying that Trump does well with lower income voters and with voters of color, therefore voters of color are poor. Or did I mistake his Venn diagram ...
I doubt it's a big reason. There aren't enough black Republicans.
Plus Trump is relate-able. He doesn't care who you are or where you went to school or whether you read The Atlantic. For a lot of people, he's what they think they'd be like if they had a ton of money. As opposed to the Bidens and Pelosis and Schumers of the world.
by republican voters of color, they mean:
black males and hispanics.. right?
The view that Trump might not be racist is mal-information. Mal-information is information that may be true, but if not censored, revised or deplatformed, could lead some people to question that all whites are racist. Or Wokeism hesitancy.
You are welcome.
My memory is that the people who thought he was racist were white liberals and blacks on MSNBC/CNN.
Diversity (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry, politically congruent) politics.
That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one. #HateLovesAbortion
The left are the racists. The left are the anti-Semites. The left are the misogynists. If there can be bias, the people on the left are biased. The media is predominantly left-wing, so they refuse to see the bias on their side of the aisle. What about this is hard to understand?
"Trump’s base is made up of Republicans whose households pull in less than $50,000 a year."
This large and growing slice of the electorate is precisely the group the "respectable" GOPe-er crew wants to abandon as fast as they can so they can continue to seek more of the affluent white suburban female democrat-adjacent voters that are declining as a percentage of the electorate.
Many of those rocket scientist type "thinkers" can be found posting on this very blog.
This is why Trump got 75 million votes from voters and no other Republican or Democrat has even come close to that.
But most Never-Trumpers never deign to talk to people who they see as below them.
That is why they think a 60 million vote candidate like Desantis is better.
White liberal woman most harmed by the results of this poll. I suspect the orders of wine boxes and cat food just increased dramatically! Emergency appointments with therapists are being scheduled even as we speak.
Why can't minorities realize that the liberal white women have only their best interests at heart?
This is a 35 point swing between these two income brackets....
Two Americas.
At least until AI starts feasting on white collar jobs.
There were also lots who believed in a poll some years ago that Elvis was still alive. "Some/many believe" is not data and is not even a poll result. It is hand-waving.
Well just because you and the lying, corrupt, bigoted democrat media says he is, does not make it so.
Donald J. Trump was the absolute most impactful president for black americans in my lifetime.
Not surprising at all. Voters of color are told what to think; respond "nope."
Readering guesses wrongly again. [sigh...]Some things never change, especially the astonishing thickness of the proglodyte skull, which explains Trump's popularity more clearly than his objection to massive scofflaw illegal immigration.
Every time you go and look at these things "people say" about Trump? They can't back any of it up with actual facts.
Trump was the darling of the NAACP and various black leaders in NYC back in the 1980s. I remember him showing up all the time in the media, connected with those creatures, who all turned on a dime to say he was "racist" the minute their Democrat lords and masters told them to.
Which is a.) how you know how fake they are, and b.) how closely managed they are by the Democratic Party.
I've yet to see much of anything about Trump that's been proven. They say he's anti-semitic, and a whole bunch of other things. None of which are apparently provable, because I've never seen anything other than accusations.
I honestly don't like the man. I think he's a blowhard egotist, not someone I'd be friends with, but... I honestly don't have a problem with anything he did as President. Other than failing to stomp harder on the entrenched DC interests, but that seems to be a Sisyphusean task.
Racist? when are people going to get smart and stop caring about "Racism"?
Probably when all the ol' dumb boomers die off.
From the "Greatest Generation" to the most "Selfish Generation".
If you think Donald Trump is a racist, you need to take a long look in a mirror.
Is that you, Fox Butterfield?
Heh, heh, the Dems will do anything, and have done everything, to defeat Trump. Vote Right.
Trump is probably the least racist politician of the last century.
Didn't Uncle Joe tell us Trump was the most racist President in American history?
I am sure that is what I heard during one of the debates.
"White Republicans"
albinos?
"voters of color"
low information attribute or color blocs (e.g. racism) a la diversity?
demos-cracy is aborted at the twilight fringe. Lose your ethical religion, your class-disordered ideologies.
Many Americans have been misinformed by the lying media. But then, we all know that.
White progressives are the real racists.
Trump has a lot of issues but any objective observer over the years would easily conclude that Biden is actually much more racist, at his depths in fact, than Trump.
Sadly, as serious a deal as racism is it has become a political cudgel, and devaluing where the real problems remain.
A lot of the conflict on the Right seems due to the fact that the GOP establishment is upper-middle-class white, and the GOP establishment seems determined to focus its energy on winning that group. UMC whites tend to vote regularly in large numbers, so all your energy can be devoted to winning them over, rather than turning out voters. This worked from 2001-2008, when the GOP could run on "killing terrorists and cutting taxes," but basically died with Obama. Suburban whites, especially suburban white women, drifted leftward (something that was arguably happening in the 90s, until 9/11 drove them rightward again for a while). Unfortunately, the GOP machinery seems to be organized like it's still 2004. The democrats, meanwhile, had decades of trying to turn out working class voters, which means they have a lot more infrastructure devoted to get out the vote efforts.
It's the economics, stupid.
Trump never did anything to indicate being racist except become a Republican. He was/is well regarded by the Blacks who work for him. He was given awards by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for his support of the Black community in NY. His anti-illegal tweets never focused on race. That was all conjured up by his enemies.
White liberal suburban women, especially over 70, most affected.
The term "voters of color" is new to me.
Is that the polite way of saying colored voters?
Is Trump racist if Trump wins the GOP nomination or if he loses it?
Answer: It is a trick question. Trump is always a racist on CNN.
"The fact that Trump is doing considerably better among Republican voters of color than White Republicans flies in the face of the fact that many Americans view Trump as racist...."
"Many" are left wing lunatics.
The rest understand that Trump was never a racist. What is was and is is pro-American, including "Americans of color".
Illegal immigration is bad for the lower economic classes, a higher percentage of whom are "people of color."
But the bigots, racists, and scum bags who support illegal immigration because it brings them cheaper workers who are easier to exploit don't care
Maybe "voters of color" have some empathy for a guy who's been victimized by relentless persecution.
The media and the Progressive left are still lying to us, and people still believe their lies, and then wonder WHY America is turning into a 3rd world sewer.
The problem for the 2024 Presidential candidates is that they need to fight on three fronts simultaneously: against the neverending, ever-escalating culture wars, making the American economy work for the people at the bottom end of the economic spectrum, and against a corrupt Deep State. I’m including in the culture wars the sort of people who demand, in the name climate change, that our stoves not use gas, our washing machines not clean our clothes, and our dishwashers not clean our dishes. It includes pushing back on the gays’ mindless war against Christians, not to mention the war of the Progs versus the normals.
DeSantis is the obvious choice for Republicans who care most about the culture wars. Based on the US economy pre-lockdowns, Trump is the obvious choice for people who believe in a fair economy for working people. Only McCarthy and the House Republicans are doing much about government corruption, but Trump was ineffective against them during his four years, and that’s a knock on him.
The Republican candidate who demonstrates credibility on all three areas easily wins the nomination, and probably wins the election.
An ebbing tide lowers all boats.
Compared to what we've got now, the Trump years seem quite nice.
An ebbing tide lowers all boats.
Compared to what we've got now, the Trump years seem quite nice.
We were subjected to 5 years being told Trump is a Russian asset. Why would anybody believe the media when they say. "many Americans believe Trump is a racist". Especial since he was recognized as a friend of the Black community before he ran for President.
Propaganda media.
I have notice that Ron DeSantis has morphed into a racist now. AND DeSantis is worse than Hitler.
The left claims Trump lost because of all the Drama. (like our Host) So the media is cranking up the same lies For DeSantis. Because drama trumps competency.
Exactly what we said would happen with the Next Republican running for President.
I love how "many Americans view Trump as a racist" is described as a fact. It is, but that's not how you usually see opinions described.
It's a fact that I think they want people scanning it to read the sentence as "it's a fact that Trump is a racist."
"The left claims Trump lost because of all the Drama."
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The left creates the "Trump drama" and "divisiveness" narrative and then declares Trump can't win because of it.
They will soon increase the noise level of the same mantra in regards to DeSantis. They will do the same as they did with both Romney and McCain who are now revered by the left as the "perfect" Republicans.
@Big Mike "Trump is the obvious choice for people who believe in a fair economy for working people. Only McCarthy and the House Republicans are doing much about government corruption, but Trump was ineffective against them during his four years, and that’s a knock on him."
Pretty good summary. For me at least the second half is final. Let someone else carry on.
When Trump does well with white voters, it's because they're racist, and stupid.
When Trump does well with Black and Hispanic voters, it's because he's racist - and they're stupid.
Law enforcement putting their knee on Trump's neck with these bullshit charges will only help Trump with minority voters.
Doesn't this mostly have to do with Hispanic Republicans?
The only "racist" thing Trump did was not like Obama.
Mr Wibble: "A lot of the conflict on the Right seems due to the fact that the GOP establishment is upper-middle-class white, and the GOP establishment seems determined to focus its energy on winning that group. UMC whites tend to vote regularly in large numbers, so all your energy can be devoted to winning them over, rather than turning out voters. This worked from 2001-2008, when the GOP could run on "killing terrorists and cutting taxes," but basically died with Obama. Suburban whites, especially suburban white women, drifted leftward (something that was arguably happening in the 90s, until 9/11 drove them rightward again for a while). Unfortunately, the GOP machinery seems to be organized like it's still 2004. The democrats, meanwhile, had decades of trying to turn out working class voters, which means they have a lot more infrastructure devoted to get out the vote efforts."
This is the sort of clear-eyed simple statement of reality that is rejected by some of the supposedly republican commenters at Althouse blog.
"The democrats, meanwhile, had decades of trying to turn out working class voters, which means they have a lot more infrastructure devoted to get out the vote efforts."
Except that the Democrats have been working overtime to alienate working class voters. Working class people don't own electric vehicles. Working class people drive vehicles that us gas. Pick up trucks, vans, used police vehicles. Not Teslas. They heat and cook with gas. An electric stove purchase isn't in the budget. They know corruption is wrong. They know illegal immigration is wrong and costs them jobs. They know that under Democrats their kids will be sent some place to militarily intervene. They know that in a natural catastrophe they are on their own. Why would any working class person vote Democrat?
"Plus Trump is relate-able."
You really think so? He is a total Dish It Out But Can't Take It asshole. The scummiest, most detestable of all male architypes. He's lucky he dodged the draft because he would have been shot by his own troops.
Perhaps minorities tend to favor politicians who actually help them as opposed to those who use them as props for virtue-signaling. It's possible.
Anga2010: "An ebbing tide lowers all boats.
Compared to what we've got now, the Trump years seem quite nice."
According to many republicans at Althouse blog, the Trump years were an unmitigated disaster and we should move as quickly as possible away from Trump and towards the candidate the Trump haters think can deliver the "Trump policies without the Trump drama".
Of course, the question of why the Trump policy haters would support any candidate that would deliver the "Trump policies without the Trump drama" remains the single most avoided question on Althouse blog.
His anti-illegal tweets never focused on race.
While this is of course true, the real issue is that the people calling Trump racist assume that (1) all brown people are illegal immigrants, and (2) Latino Americans will reflexively side with those who share their skin color or country of ancestry over the country they came to and became citizens of.
It's by no means a foregone conclusion that Americans of Latino descent are on the side of all other Latino people regardless of circumstances, any more than it was true that white Americans of some English descent, for instance, welcomed and embraced even the legal white-but-Irish immigrants back in the day.
Drago said...
I rather enjoyed the peace and especially the prosperity. I'd like to see more of it.
Here in La La Land, I saw a middle-aged Latin guy with a TRUMP 2020 baseball camp over the weekend. Brave man.
Bob Boyd said...
Law enforcement putting their knee on Trump's neck with these bullshit charges will only help Trump with minority voters.
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but Trump does not say I can't breathe >>> he breathes out fire like dragon king
Except that the Democrats have been working overtime to alienate working class voters. Working class people don't own electric vehicles. Working class people drive vehicles that us gas. Pick up trucks, vans, used police vehicles. Not Teslas. They heat and cook with gas. An electric stove purchase isn't in the budget. They know corruption is wrong. They know illegal immigration is wrong and costs them jobs. They know that under Democrats their kids will be sent some place to militarily intervene. They know that in a natural catastrophe they are on their own. Why would any working class person vote Democrat?
You missed the point: the working class voters have historically voted Dem reliably, but turn out to vote unreliably. So Dems focused on getting those voters to the polls. If they could do that, they could be assured that the voters would pull the lever for a Dem candidate. Suburban and upper middle class whites turn out to vote reliably, but were unreliable in whom they voted for. After 9/11, the GOP found that running off national security and tax cuts worked to appeal to the latter group. Since they turn out reliably, the GOP's organization and infrastructure was focused on winning over those voters. This meant lots of ad buys and such.
You are correct that the Dems have abandoned the working class. That doesn't change the fact that many of the organizations and institutional capabilities on the left to turn out voters are still around. The problem is that the GOP doesn't seem to be interested in the kind of efforts necessary to reach working-class voters. I'd suggest that it's in part a cultural issue- the GOP establishment wants to focus on suburban whites because those are their friends and neighbors. The other part is because shifting focus to working class whites would upset a lot of rice bowls: a lot of people on the right make their money through advertising, organizing non-profit "issue" groups, etc. If the GOP shifted tactics to focus on get-out-the-vote, that money would go away.
Rusty:
"Drago said...
I rather enjoyed the peace and especially the prosperity. I'd like to see more of it."
I am sorry Rusty. Mitch McConnell and his any GOPe/democratical/establishment allies have very different plans for the US.
Drago said...
Anga2010: "An ebbing tide lowers all boats.
Compared to what we've got now, the Trump years seem quite nice."
According to many republicans at Althouse blog, the Trump years were an unmitigated disaster
The Trump economy was great.
Until he decided to listen to Fauci rather than Atlas, and keep on backing Fauci no matter how stupid it was to do so.
The FBI was corrupt before Trump, thus the whole "investigation".
Trump failed to fire people, and as such it remained corrupt under Trump, thus leading to the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop before the 2020 election.
Trump failed the challenges of Covid. he failed to fight the Democrats when they illegally screwed with election law, he failed in "15 days to flatten the curve" turning into the rest of his administration.
So long as you ignore these failures, and try to pretend them away, you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject of who should be our next President. Because you're being just as lying, just as deceitful, as any Democrat
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