Ralph Nader, you are lying – shame on you! I personally provided almost all Tesla funding, based on my proceeds from PayPal, from Series A in 2004 until Series C in 2007.
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February 24, 2023
Ralph Nader vs. Elon Musk.
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Nader has been a liar since he came over the horizon decades ago. Musk is correct in calling him out for this lie.
Even if what Nader said was true (it is not). Tusk has provided useful things. Lets see Nader do Democratic grifters. He can start with Al Gore who has provided nothing for anyone except for
Al Gore.
Imagine an electric Corvair.....
Nadar is a good little Leftist. He learned his lesson in 2000, never cross the D Establishment. He never ran 3rd party again. He's just a fake. Like the Bernie Bros.
ralph Nader. LOL. Asshole.
Nader’s not dead yet?
Musk deflected and…yah, guys like Nader count the tax credit on a Tesla purchase as government money. I’d prefer Nader attack the Teamsters and other political friends hoovering up the trillions in largesse Congress and the Biden Presidency have been giving to all their friends…but that will never happen.
Way over the hill Ralph Nader needs someone to accuse of some kind of wrongdoing. But he is too late to destroy Musk. People already know Musk and they like him.
I think Ralph is confusing startup money with tax incentives that help drive market share.
I don't like the idea of social engineering with taxes or the government picking winners and losers, but here we are.
Musk saw the opportunity and took advantage of it.
Anyone with his business acumen and vision could have done the same.
Can't blame the man for taking advantage of the law...
First of all, Musk didn't start Tesla... he basically bought it from its owners. Secondly Musk repaid all of the governmental loans he took out. Thirdly Elon never lobbied for any of the money, he merely took advantage of laws that were already on the books, the sole purpose of which was to inspire people to do exactly what Elon did.
Nader, a fossilized relic from a moment in time about 3 generations ago, was last seen telling his parrot that he wanted to be president...and that was over 20 years ago!
Ralph Nader is still shiny side up? Wow!
Nader bullshitting. It feels like I am having a flashback.
A regular Don Quixote in search of relevance.
Nader almost makes Larry Tribe seem lucid.
I see Musk is sticking to free speech and allowing disinformation.
Ralph Nader goes Full LLR Chuck with the expected results.
So progs want to subsidize EVs while criticizing the producers for benefitting from the subsidies?
Ralph wants to be relevant again.
Given that Neo-Marxism is on the rise, he sees his opportunity.
Imagine an electric Corvair.....
Corvairs were gorgeous, but the bumpers, and impact standards of today??? I'm not sure how an electric Corvair could happen.
Twenty-inch tires are not a fashion statement. They are there to back-up your bumper.
Musk creates
HNader??? he has never created anything. From what perspective does he imagine his opinion matters?
Ralph Nader who had never brought any wealth to anyone on earth other than himself. He is one of those most directly responsible for the strangling of the US being able to do anything. He is an interventionist who desires nothing but the imposition of the German pattern of socialism on the US, the Zwangswirtschaft of the Nazis. (compulsory economy)
Given Nader's age, I very much doubt that he does any actual tweeting, and he isn't rich or important enough to hire competent staff for the job, so ends up with some unpaid 19 year old intern who just repeats things she thinks she read or might have seen somewhere. On the other hand, it does sound like the sort of thing he would believe.
Nader has never accomplished a thing with his life. He's a sponge.
His brother drove his Corvair past it's limits and died. I had a 1960 Corvair.
A great car - no, but it did what it was supposed to do - it got me to work.
Nader has never accomplished a thing with his life. He's a sponge.
His brother drove his Corvair past it's limits and died. I had a 1960 Corvair.
A great car - no, but it did what it was supposed to do - it got me to work.
EV's are the kind of car that Nader's fans would buy. This might cause Musk to lose a few sales....Tesla, though, has a kind of muscle car look. Nader fans might go in for something more chaste--electric scooters or maybe they'll wait to see what Volvo can develop.
I should cut Nader some slack, I guess. Without his ego and obstinacy Al Gore might have been President on 9/11/2001. Terrifying thought.
If Ralph Nader were capable of shame over lying, he'd have died of it a half century ago.
Stopped hearing Nader in 2000
On background ...
Unsafe at Any Speed: The Designed-In Dangers of the American Automobile is a non-fiction book by consumer advocate Ralph Nader, first published in 1965. Its central theme is that car manufacturers resisted the introduction of safety features (such as seat belts), and that they were generally reluctant to spend money on improving safety. This work contains substantial references and material from industry insiders. It was a best seller in non-fiction in 1966.
The book resulted in the creation of the United States Department of Transportation in 1966 and the predecessor agencies of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in 1970.
Wikipedia -- Unsafe at Any Speed
I think the dictionary still has a picture of Ralph Nadar under "Villified".
Michael Dukakis (D-Tank Commander) many moons ago quipped that democrats loved employees. It's the employers they hated.
Same with Musk. Dems love EV's, it's the guy who makes them that they hate.
Libs wallow in the land of incongruities.
Nader is a relic from the media past when Democrats could slander whoever they wanted and never be called out because they controlled the gates and they could count on the media to print their lies unquestioned.
That's why Elon Musk represents an existential threat to their democracy.
Say “Good Night,” Ralph.
First of all, no one should believe that this post is Ralph Nader writing his own conclusion based upon his own research. This post is most likely written by staff members within his own organization, demonstrating both their zealousness for the cause, disregard for the truth, and/or incompetence.
Nader is untruthful at any speed
Even if Nader wasn't lying, how would any of this be Musk's fault? If uncle sugar daddy dangles money in order to promote this or that, you can hardly blame people who accept the money and do the thing the government is trying to promote.
So Nader, don't like corporate welfare? Go after the government. That's the organization handing it out.
rehajm said...
Musk deflected and…yah, guys like Nader count the tax credit on a Tesla purchase as government money
Musk didn't deflect, Nader claimed the government provided start-up money for Tesla. Nader would be accurate in saying that EV tax credits are huge boon to companies that make them but Nader and the rest of the Dems have to resort to falsehoods to crap on Musk because they don't want to oppose them.
Tesla has survived and then prospered based on government green subsidies for electrics vehicles, including selling environmental credits to other car makers at huge profits so that those manufacturers can meet their regulatory requirements. Nader might be wrong about 2007/8 (I don’t know about that but have no problem thinking Nader is wrong here as he’s wrong about a lot of things), but might have been thinking about this.
Nader in the nadir of his life.
First of all, Ralph Nader is still alive?
In the end, Ralph Nader produced almost nothing for humanity. I guess if he kept some of you out of Corvairs, there's that. Elon Musk does more to drag humanity, kicking and screaming, into the future in a year than 100 Ralph Naders do in a long lifetime.
We have a nation of Ralph Naders now. We crank them out of universities. They are specialized Ralph Naders. They have areas of activism they 'graduate' in. And they go out, get jobs at 'non-profits' with a .org at the end of their address and feel smugly better than anyone else. Especially those damned Capitalists.
A nation of Ralph Naders is dragging our country down the tubes. They run our universities, our government, our media. Everyone with a cause. Everyone of them a descendant of Ralph Nader. And the only thing keeping us afloat are ideas and actions from a handful of people like Elon Musk.
It is not the Tesla "welfare". It's the lavish subsidies to buyers.
Tesla wasn't given an exclusive license to make E-cars and a huge bowl of cash. The buyers get the moola.
Nader...nada.
The "subsidies" were available to all manufacturers, including GovMo. The other manufacturers produced crappy, underwhelming shopping carts with limited range.
I am not a fan of the entire concept of coal-powered cars, but by all accounts Teslas are by far the best of the lot.
Ralph Nader lying? Say it ain't so.
Nader is a globalist shill. He dutifully pushed thei global warming cult for decades.
He is just showing everyone here he has no principles or morals and will do anything to support his masters.
Not even Readering can defend the bullshit publicly and is ashamed to be seen in the same company.
The regime and it’s toadies will fall.
Why are there so many lefties in the news lately who are in their 80's? Don't they have a retirement plan?
The book [Unsafe at Any Speed] resulted in the creation of the United States Department of Transportation in 1966 and the predecessor agencies of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration in 1970.
@typingtalker, so we get to blame Ralph Nader for Pete Buttigieg, too? Cool!
"Nader has been a liar since he came over the horizon decades ago."
How so?
I loved my '62 Corvair. It had a push button shifter. First car my brothers and I learned to four wheel drift.
All these leftists were fine with Elon until he purchased Twitter and exposed the liar corrupt left.
They all loved Elon until Elon went all in for freedom of speech.
Temujin - for the reality check. Indeed.
"Nader, a fossilized relic from a moment in time about 3 generations ago, was last seen telling his parrot that he wanted to be president...and that was over 20 years ago!"
Wrong.
Nader never wanted or expected to be president, just as those who voted for him (I'm one!) never expected him to win. He ran as a protest candidate and his voters voted for him as a protest vote. His "runs" at the presidency were meant to highlight the betrayals of the public by both primary political parties, their failure to serve the public, and their persistent obeisance to Wall Street, to the banking and financial and other wealthy corporate entities, as well as to the American war machine and all the business entities feeding it. He was right then and he's right today. Nader remains today an enemy of the enemies of the people, more honorable and true than any who has been president in my lifetime.
Cookie asks, “How so.”
At the time he published Unsafe at Any Speed Chevy had replaced the swing axles on the Corvair with a trailing arm independent rear suspension that was not prone to jacking, a fact that, to my knowledge, Nader to this day has never acknowledged. He later pronounced the army’s Jeep to be safe, despite its swing axles, and despite the fact that rollovers were the most common accidents for Jeeps.
Also, writing as a mathematician, I need to say that his attempt to take down the VW beetle was 100% lying with statistics.
That’s for starters.
More on the Elon Front: "Tesla Patents Ultra-Hard Cold-Worked Steel Alloy for Cybertruck Production"
More: "Tesla Cybertruck will be made from a stainless steel alloy, the same material that will be used for the exterior shell of the SpaceX Starship rocket. This means that its exterior shell will be really resistant to damage and corrosion, and will not require paint."
All of Musk's wildly successful enterprizes advance technology and are synergistic across his multiple business lines and serve a higher purpose as eell.
Remember that when democratical blog activist LLR Chuck continues his democratical directed campaign against Musk and laebls Musk a "bozo" or a "clown".
Well, Robert. It's probably because any car is unsafe at any speed when an idiot is behind the wheel. He just picked on Corvairs because it was GMs attempt to compete with foreign rear wheel drive cars priced for the working man.
More on the Elon Front: "Tesla Patents Ultra-Hard Cold-Worked Steel Alloy for Cybertruck Production"
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'Rearden Metal prophecy' fulfilled?!
I didn't realize Ralph Nader was still alive. Then I tried to decide: Is Ralph Nader older than Joe Biden. I didn't know the answer to that either. Two old fossils.
(Nader is 88; Biden is 80, 81?)
Isn't it interesting that Ralph 'Don Quixote' Nader is galloping after another lost cause when there are actual real, problematic windmills standing by the dozen, causing a rash of environmental problems, right in front of his nose? How about those tax breaks, baby?
I had two friends in high school who had Corvair Monzas. If they were half as dangerous as Nader claimed I wouldn't be here today. The working man's Porsche!
"Tesla Cybertruck will be made from a stainless steel alloy, the same material that will be used for the exterior shell of the SpaceX Starship rocket. This means that its exterior shell will be really resistant to damage and corrosion, and will not require paint."
I read this and my immediate thought went to the common Kdrama trope: the Truck of Doom. Jesus, Tesla is building the ultimate Truck of Doom. Think of how many characters can be offed in one episode with a truck like that.
Subsidies?
Tesla factory in Fremont, a couple of miles from Obama's favorite Solyndra. Remember them? Didn't think so.
Also, same area as multiple new car dealers put out of business during Obama admin.
And, who can forget "cash for clunkers" which destroyed plenty of decent used cars, thus raising prices on the remaining.
Poor Nader's is thin gruel lately. A swing with Code Pink, some obscure Debs prizes and commie rag awards...I bet he never thought he'd be more obscure than Lyndon La Rouche.
Nader claimed the government provided start-up money for Tesla.
Not in the posted tweet he didn’t, Christopher…
BUMBLE BEE said...
"I had two friends in high school who had Corvair Monzas."
I wanted one of those so bad, back then. Four on the floor with two Weber stacks. Hell I'd still take one. Corvairs were fun.
Stop, you're both right! Musk did invest his own money in Tesla and all his other businesses. But with the possible exception of Twitter, they are all government-subsidized grifts which a truly fee market would have nothing to do with. The richest man on Earth is a welfare queen. Which stands to reason. He has the richest customer on Earth.
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