Writes Thomas Chatterton Williams, in "The People Who Don’t Read Books/Identifying as someone who categorically rejects books suggests a much larger deficiency of character" (The Atlantic). Williams is aggrieved that Kanye West called himself "a proud non-reader of books."
January 25, 2023
"Late in Anna Karenina, in a period of self-imposed social exile in Italy, Anna and her lover, Vronsky, are treated to a tirade on..."
"... the destructive superficiality of the 'free-thinking' young men—proto-disrupters, if you will—who populate the era and have been steeped in 'ideas of negation.' 'In former days the free-thinker was a man who had been brought up in ideas of religion, law, and morality, and only through conflict and struggle came to free-thought,' Vronsky’s friend Golenishchev observes. 'But now there has sprung up a new type of born free-thinkers who grow up without even having heard of principles of morality or of religion, of the existence of authorities.' The problem then, as Tolstoy presents it, was that such an ambitious young man would try, 'as he’s no fool, to educate himself,' and so would turn to 'the magazines' instead of 'to the classics and theologians and tragedians and historians and philosophers, and, you know, all the intellectual work that came in his way.'"
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The audacity of individual dignity and individual conscience in the age of secular religious post-enlightenment. Take a knee, beg, good boy.
I seem to remember an interview with Neil Young in one of the New York magazines. The writer was a big fan, and went to a lot of trouble to get the interview. Contact Neil's people; noone seems to have a number for Neil himself. (Before cellphones). Neil's people are in no hurry to call back; presumably Neil is thinking it over. Eventually plans can be made. Under no circumstances can the interview take place at Neil's house, but on the other hand, he doesn't want to go too far. They meet somewhere in the desert.
Question: what do you read?
Answer: Nothing. I worry that if I read something, and it stays with me, this will screw up my songwriting.
In an alternate universe, Kanye West reads The Atlantic, and will take this to heart.
The people who read a lot of books tend to write books that praise people who read a lot of books..... Roskalnikov read a lot of books. So did Lenin. Lenin wrote a lot of books. Over sixty and each over six hundred pages. I don't believe he's much read today, but you know who was a big fan? Stalin. Stalin's library contained many heavily annotated books by Lenin. Stalin was a big fan. The way medieval monks turned to Aquinas, he turned to Lenin for guidance and inspiration. The world would probably be a better place if Stalin were not so well read.
they were speaking of the narodniki, the peoples will, the premature social justice warriors that scorched everything in their path, including the czar was most affirmately sympathetic to them, after alexander 2nd Russia was plunged into reactionary sentiment for nearly forty years,
If its Wednesday, it must be Althouse Russia Lit day!
I"m sorry to say that most "hard intellectual work regarding philosophy, religion etc." would be lost on most people, and its probably just as well they confine themselves to surfing the net and skimming the bible.
Tolstoy makes great points, and I wish I could write more, but my favorite TV sitcom is starting.
He's worried about whether Kanye reads books?
I think Kanye has some other issues.
Although I was reading "The Brothers Karamazov" when "Ye" started talking about Hitler. My thought was that he has a lot in common with Dmitri "Mitya" Karamazov.
Ya' know........a couple of books might have helped him keep that contract with Adidas.
I am an avid reader, (I take books to the movie theater) and I try to encourage my students to read. I probably spend $50 to $75 a year buying books I think my students would enjoy reading. I try to get them to pass the books around when done, but don't expect much. One of my problems with Trump is that he isn't a reader. I consider being well read to be essential in leadership, especially in elected officials. That being said, I understand that reading isn't for everyone. (Although I insist they just haven't found the right book yet) As much as I hate Twilight, at least it got kids reading again. (ditto Harry Potter) One of the recent tragedies was the comic book industry going woke just as superhero movies became popular. A lost opportunity there, for the industry and for those who never became readers. (And yes comic books can be literature... Try Neil Gaiman's Sandman sometime.)
OTOH, I'm sure Ye's a proud reader of non-books.
From the article: "We have never before had access to so many perspectives, ideas, and information"
Right. Are they better/best articulated or absorbed in the form of books?
Aren't the benefits of books really the virtues ascribed to a certain kind of reader?
I would warn Mr. West that if you are not in a Bible study, reading tiny little chunks of the Bible under your Rabbi, Jesus, you might not be as Christian as you say you are.
We're all going to fall short. That's one of the major lessons!
I've also noted that from time to time I am "book smart" and "street stupid."
As a matter of fact, our Rabbi, Jesus, often warns us that we will have major trouble in this world as we try to make it to the next.
I worry that if I read something, and it stays with me, this will screw up my songwriting.
ha ha
he's listening to music (I assume) so he hears lyrics (I assume) so he's being influenced by writers!
anyway, the way to avoid the trap of being derivative of another writer is reading widely
that waters down the similarities and establishes your independence and originality
everybody has influences, you can't avoid them
Its be an interesting experiment to see how much even smart people benefit form reading smart books. Bush II is supposedly a great reader and supposedly had a "reading contest" with Karl Rove. The problem is there's zero evidence any of these books (assuming he read them) penetrated Mr. Bush's skull and had an affect on him.
Some people are bullet-proof, others are book-proof.
Judging by the media, there's been a massive decline in the amount of RESPECT people have for the "Great books", but again I wonder how many people back in 20th Century actually read the books or just respected them.
I consider being well read to be essential in leadership, especially in elected officials. That being said, I understand that reading isn't for everyone.
Peter was a fisherman and was likely illiterate. He was also the first Pope and a major leader in the early Christian church.
If you're familiar at all with the gospels, Peter did everything wrong. He screwed up all the time. When Jesus was bending down and washing the feet of his disciples...
a deeply spiritual and moving moment...
Peter was horrified. "You're not washing my feet!"
The idea of this man, the messiah, the one who saves us, bending over and washing his feet freaked him out completely.
None of the disciples wrote down what Jesus said. None of them took notes! Peter was so "common," I doubt it even occur to Peter that he should write down everything Jesus said. He was an illiterate fisherman.
The overwhelming majority of people were illiterate back then. There is no "Book of Peter."
Mark wrote down everything Peter told him.
The early Christian church had an oral tradition where people spoke to each other, and listened hard, and remembered important lessons.
After reading the Gospels, and seeing Peter screw up again and again, you might be shocked to discover what a bad ass he is in the Book of Acts.
Luke, who was a doctor and could read and write, quoted this fisherman as saying...
I truly understand that God shows no partiality, but in every nation anyone who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.
Voice of authority, from an illiterate guy who fishes for a living.
Paul dominates a lot of the New Testament because he could read and was always sending letters to people. Peter and the rest of the disciples were not writing. But they were visiting and talking and showing people the way.
When the printing press was invented, of course the first book published was the Bible. And that was another revolution, as more and more Christians could read for themselves, and connect with Jesus in an intimate way.
So I love the written word! Jesus is my Rabbi, because of the written word. The importance of words -- the building blocks of communication -- cannot be overstated.
But words are also dangerous, and some of the most evil people play semantics with words, and get people worshipping narratives divorced from reality.
Jesus called Satan a murderer, but also, very specifically, the father of lies.
excellent thoughts on this thread
that dog is rocking at 5:21
Reading books. Been there. Done that.
Is it ironic that Williams is writing this in a magazine himself?
Kanye certainly should know more about World War II and Hitler, but most people acquire that knowledge without taking the kind of deep dives into theology or philosophy that Golenishchev demanded.
“Books are like kryptonite to….”
I don't read books, either. Don't have time.
Oh, but I do listen to them. I have found I recall and understand things better when I hear them rather than when I read them.
Books I read dissipate from memory like farts in the wind. Books I listen to? I still can remember much of the content.
Are podcasts closer in form and practice to Plato's Academy than modern academia?
Peter did write a couple of letters, of course. I was thinking of the Gospels but Christians refer to multiple "books" in the Bible. Technically Peter wrote two of those, or at least he's credited with them.
(I hate being wrong, so annoying).
So it's possible that he learned to read and write later in his life, when he was fishing for men.
Or he could have just dictated his thoughts and somebody like Mark wrote them down. (The Book of Mark is generally believed to be Peter's witness testimony).
The history of how the Bible was written is super-interesting. A lot of scholars have fun digging around in there. (These aren't theologians, they're historians, sometimes both of course).
The Bible doesn't mention that Peter is illiterate. That's something I assume based on his career (fisherman) and the timeline (2000 years ago).
Contrast Paul, who was a highly educated Jew. Paul had a very high status. I think he was fluent in at least two languages. He was a very powerful person.
Paul = very powerful person, humbled by God
Peter = very insignificant person, raised by God
I once said in a Bible study that Paul was "probably more important than Peter" which was an incredibly stupid comment, that I think was based on how many letters Peter wrote in the New Testament. If you're just reading the Bible, you might assume Paul was the super-important one.
Everybody and their mother was yelling at me and I was hiding under the table. (Exaggerating slightly for comic effect). I love Peter, I identify with him. I knew it was stupid the moment I said it. I don't have much of a filter sometimes.
This is why Ginsberg's form poems (sonnets, villanelles) were so good and his free verse was mostly overrated trash, but not as bad as poets following him, who never trained as he did, first writing countless sonnets and villanelles before extending past the form.
Knowing only themselves, never interning with the masters, if only on the page, future generations only saw themselves and could only write narcissistic super-trash. They are shrieking illiterates.
You abandon the genius of deep study of Western Civilization, and you become rudderless and amoral. And everything is you, because that is all you know.
And you aren't interesting. So you posture on politics and elevate self-appointed identity in place of real work and real art.
Compare/contrast Neil Young, reading nothing, with Bob Dylan, reading (and listening to) everything.
Also might explain why Young went off on Joe Rogan for heresy.
A great musician--lousy philosopher.
"Bush II is supposedly a great reader and supposedly had a "reading contest" with Karl Rove. The problem is there's zero evidence any of these books (assuming he read them) penetrated Mr. Bush's skull and had an affect on him."
Is there any evidence that the purported "reading contest" (or books allegedly read by Bush) even existed?
I have always been a reader and I have always been reluctant to dispose of books I have acquired . I did, of necessity, donate about 20% of my library last year to a local thrift store in NYC due to our move to another state. Even so, I still had 50 boxes (plus two or three) of books to be moved, books I could not relenquish. (The thrift store I donated the books to has its own bookstore downtown, stocked entirely, I believe, from donations.)
I do not have any negative opinions of people who do not read books--my younger brother and my wife, both very intelligent people, do not read books, (though my wife will listen to audio-books on subjects of interest to her)--but I do look askance at people who boast of being "proud non-readers," as has been alleged of Kanye. (Did he really say that?)
I think this is misunderstanding the situation somewhat.
> Williams is aggrieved that Kanye West called himself "a proud non-reader of books."
A more accurate phrasing might be.
> Williams is taking advantage of Kanye West calling himself a proud non-reader of books.
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