SEE ALSO:People had been posting an address they thought I was at, photos of houses, and death threats.
— Tim Pool (@Timcast) December 16, 2022
If something tracked my real time location then they'd know where I actually was at.
AND: Is this a workable concept?Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) December 16, 2022
"doxxing real-time location" lol https://t.co/W7ZfWdk5QP
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 15, 2022
What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?
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Elon’s quote: ‘Criticizing me all day long is totally fine, but doxxing my real-time location and endangering my family is not’
Neither complicated nor controversial.
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
The boundaries of public information were set at a time when information was expensive. For instance, if you wanted data the government held, you had to go to an office, fill out a requisition form, and search through paper files on site. The act of getting the information was a significant barrier. When they decided to make something publicly available, they didn't decide to freely distribute it, they decided that this natural barrier was sufficient.
But now that barrier has been removed by the internet and information that was always techincally public but hard to get is now easy to get. The rules about what is or is not public needs to be updated to reflect this new reality.
Hey leftists...
THIS is le difference between death threats. On the day you stop phoning in phony on yourselves or drawing horrible renditions of swastikas on your garage, I might start to give a fuck.
Once again, the left shows how hateful and violent THEY are.
What is the photo in the tweet (a hole in the side of a wooden box) supposed to represent? It may be a bullet hole---but I don't think so. I drill a lot of holes in wood making this and that in my shop. You get that sort of splintering on the back of a piece of wood if you drill through and don't have a backup behind the piece you're drilling. Nice try fella, but you just look like you're a sloppy workman.
Ann is trying to gently chide the leftist shitheads here and get them to think about how they look right now.
They don't care Ann.
And if they get control of twitter again they will demand that their political opponents get banned.
They would also cheer if Musk was thrown in jail for any reason at all. They would have excuses if their political opponents were hurt. They would bury the story.
James Hodgkinson is not an aberration. These people were happy he shot Scalise and the other Republicans, just not about how bad it made them look.
Remember that the real takeaway for them in the Softball Field Shooting was that Scalise should pass gun control because he got shot.
What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?
You are over-thinking this, Althouse.
Musk will ban tweets that intend to show another person's private location.
There is no problem in showing a person's public activity at a public event.
You seem to think that the US Constitution guarantees a right of privacy -- which guarantees a right to abortion. If that is what you think, then you should respect and support Musk's effort to protect people's privacy.
PRIVACY !!!!
Musk will not allow people to use Twitter to expose other people's PRIVATE location -- especially if there is an apparent malicious intent to cause trouble for those people.
I believe you can tweet your own location, but not someone else’s.
Maybe if Josh Marshall was doxxed he’d have a different opinion than “lol”? Asking for a friend.
In this world of ever increasing access to data and empowerment of the individual, this is one of the issues that will have to be addressed. Musk has to be aware of the nature of the fury he has unleashed with actions that were considered inconceivable just weeks ago.
There are a lot of smart folks who are being driven mad by this man. He has to stay ahead of them or be taken out. This extends to all his family members. This will be addressed by the narrative writers to portray him in the worst possible light in all respectable media.
Succeed or fail, he will be an example to others. He knows all this, of course. The wonder is that he took it on knowing this. In a craven age, this is what courage looks like.
This is the perfect salve after that embarrassing homoerotic Trump nonbinary groomer fundraising sesh yesterday. Now we know what "Ride Space Mountain" means. You people look great in you blue pencil dresses and stilettos. Every billionaire, real or fake, needs a "service" animal.
"If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?"
I get it that the policy might be difficult to apply to edge cases etc. But I don't think your hypothetical is an edge case. If a person has publicly announced and advertised in advance that they will appear at a certain podium at a precise time, I don't think they can complain about someone else posting that information.
Old Twitter: Banning for using the wrong pronouns.
New Twitter: Banning to prevent murder.
Yet some call Musk the fascist.
I just found out on Mastodon that Tim Pool made it up. He drilled that hole with a Makita cordless. You can tell by the way the wood is frayed that it's a drilled hole not a bullet hole. If it was real he would have showed us the slug. More fake news on the new and improved deplorable Twitter.
Who is Tim Pool? Does he live in Vermont? On waterfront of some sort? And travel in a camper? Will he shoot if approached?
wendybar said...
Once again, the left shows how hateful and violent THEY are.
12/16/22, 7:20 AM
Upvote: spending a lot of time on Reddit. This is seen all the time on places like Reddit, also. While these are pseudo-anonymous social (sic) networks, does it not reveal your true nature when there is no one to confront your ideas, thoughts? What would be the purpose of revealing the location of someone who has been put into a ring, who has been painted and the most heinous sub-human thing imaginable? Even politicians - who the left revere - have publicly stated that their political opponents should not be left alone and should be accosted at every opportunity.
The usual suspects aren't nice people. They abhor violence. Until it happens to you. Then they revel in it. Not nice people at all.
The usual suspects aren't nice people. They abhor violence. Until it happens to you. Then they revel in it. Not nice people at all.
Blogger Howard said...
I just found out on Mastodon...
Good one.
Howard doesn’t know what a Makita is if it bit him (probably run to the emergency room about being bitten by a snake).
Even the worst person trying to drill a hole couldn’t do it that bad. But you heard it on Mastodon (whatever that is) folks, so it must be true!
Althouse said...What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?
Give us a break. The problem here is simple and recognizable. Especially when you have a target on your back like Elon Musk.
Blogger Original Mike said...
Old Twitter: Banning for using the wrong pronouns.
New Twitter: Banning to prevent murder.
Yet some call Musk the fascist.
Quick - everyone in the Althouse comments post your home address, cell phone number, social security number, birth date, make and model of your car, vin number and license plate number. Oh...and don't forget your kids and grandkids info too.
Original Mike: "Old Twitter: Banning for using the wrong pronouns.
New Twitter: Banning to prevent murder.
Yet some call Musk the fascist."
That is precisely the case our dumb lefties and select GOPe-ers (ex: earnest prole) are making.
I, too, saw problems with Elon's location-doxxing rule, as it applies to common situations like public events. Might need a little tweaking there.
But here's something I wanted to comment on in yesterday's post but got there too late for anyone to see it: One commenter said that tail numbers can't be blocked. But they can, through a simple request file online at FAA.
FAA Tail Number Blocking/Unblocking
What I didn't know was this, in the Red State story linked over there:
Specifically, the Twitter owner banned the posting of links to a site called ElonJet, which tracks Musk’s jet despite the fact that the FAA has an ADSB privacy ban on it. In other words, you normally can’t search his tail number and see where he’s at. ElonJets gets around that by knowing where the planes were last and revealing their otherwise anonymous flight paths.
I don't know exactly how that would work, but this elevates it to a cut-and-dried case of doxxing. In that case it's remarkable Elon apparently plans for the related suspensions to be only temporary. And makes the jouranlists crying Who, me? all the more repulsive.
I wouldn't trust what an extinct ice age mammal said, but my first thought was that the hole could have been made by a power drill or an extremely hungry mouse.
The person who assaulted Elon’s SUV looks like Antifa. The organizing via Twitter and attack on Pool look like Antifa. Gee that domestic terrorist threat seems to be real but it’s not the rebels Garland is looking for.
They would also cheer if Musk was thrown in jail for any reason at all.
It's worse than that. The people who support unlimited illegal immigration, and amnesty and a path to citizenship for those illegal aliens are now investigating Elon's citizenship papers with lawyers to try and catch him in a lie, so they can strip him of his U.S. citizenship and deport him.
Just like they would deport all of us deplorables if they could.
---James Hodgkinson is not an aberration. [Achilles]
Not at all. Violence is too often the solution to lefty problems, as we see from Hodgkinson to Rand Paul's neighbor to Antifa to Kathy Comedienne's plea for a Trump assassination. That's how some of these people solve their personal conflicts, it appears.
And wouldn't you like to see the FBI or DC police file on the Seth Rich killing? I saw a recent headline that suggested it might be forthcoming, unlikely as that sounds.
Who killed Seth Rich, and why? Why did Wikileaks put up that hefty reward for information on his murderer? Because Julian Assange likes to offer rewards for solving urban crimes? Or because Rich was connected in some way to the leaks they were releasing from the Democratic National Committee computer files? Then more rewards were offered by a Republican guy -- almost $300,000, altogether.
We're told a couple stupid gangbangers shot Seth; the surveillance video shows the legs of two people. The legs only... ? No one really knows, since it hasn't ever been released, to my knowledge. It was a robbery attempt in which those killers did not steal anything, then they ran off, and no one had any information on them sufficient to go for that reward? Their silence in the druggie-robbery-gangsta world was so disciplined?
The recent events at Nancy Pelosi's home could have worked out tragically if she had been home. I would think that both Republican and Democratic politicians have a real interest in not making info on home addresses or attendance at private events public.....I suppose with a little effort you can find out the home address or whereabouts of famous people, but keeping such info discreet filters out the lazy and the crazy.....There's a large reservoir of mentally ill people in this country. The wealthy and/or powerful have forever been attractive targets for the crazy and/or resentful. We should not make their task easier. Like school shootings, I'm afraid that such events can become contagious.
"What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time" That was just silly. If you make a website devoted to posting where the speaker is, at all times, then maybe.
@ Howard
Oh it was a Makita cordless? Not a DeWalt? Ima need a link.
@ Mike re: 7:26 AM
Drill or bullet hole? The 2 could look very similar. Hard to know for sure from a single picture.
But look closely. This looks like a picture of the back of an open drawer in a chest of drawers. See the corner of the drawer face above? And to the right, a center style and 2 more drawer faces? On one you can see a drawer handle.
So maybe a bullet came through a wall, through the back of the drawer cabinet and through the back of the drawer. Or maybe Tim Pool removed the drawer, drilled a hole in the back of it, put the drawer back and took a picture to fool us.
Howard: "I just found out on Mastodon that Tim Pool made it up."
LOL
That's just perfect.
Looks like a bullet hole to me. If you go on Twitter, or if you're a public figure, you really forgo any claims to privacy, since you're out there hanging up your own laundry. You can bleat about it all you want, and decent people will likely respect the bleat, but - really come on. Privacy for people that are public, professionally? Puh-leeze.
Now, that's not to say the consequences can't be objected to, and one doesn't deserve getting their house shot up. But the crazies are one of the risks you accept when you make this choice. Buy the ticket, take the ride.
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
If there's a rule, what's the rule?
Over-reaction, but who in the world wouldn't flip out if their kid was threatened? He states a principle, kid is threatened, jumps up and changes policy, calms down and starts talking about reinstating them: that sounds about normal to me.
Anyone who uses this as proof that Elon Musk is a hypocrite is just a hater, a political partisan cheer-leader who only sees allies and enemies.
If there's a rule, what's the rule?
Anybody who threatens Democratic power must be attacked and destroyed.
I used to respect the opinions of leftists. Sure we disagreed, but who cares - reasonable people can disagree, right?
Now I just fucking hate them. 🥲
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The only reason these so-called journalists would want to dox
@elonmusk
real time location - is because they want him and his family harassed or harmed.
This is nothing new - this is how the Left operates.
They always lash out with violence when they don't get their way.
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
You can, but remember, you're sitting right next to them.
Dr. Graphene said...
I used to respect the opinions of leftists. Sure we disagreed, but who cares - reasonable people can disagree, right?
Now I just fucking hate them. 🥲
12/16/22, 9:12 AM
Me too. It has come to that.
Remember the recent case in LA where a musician with followers revealed his own location in a restaurant and was then assaulted/robbed?
Dr. Graphine said: "I used to respect the opinions of leftists. Sure we disagreed, but who cares - reasonable people can disagree, right?
Now I just fucking hate them. 🥲 "
I am ordered not to hate any one person by G-d, but, I do hate any actions that advance totalitarianism and other harms so today's Left's actions have earned my hate. I'm living in some kind of Kafka-esqe nightmare world.
I'd like somethng more strict than "real time" location. What reason is there for a stranger to tweet out someone's home address? What reason is there for someone to tweet someone's private cellphone number?
None. You can come up with all sorts of "What about X?" but so what? Every rule and law has situations that make applying the rule/law seem unreasonable. If there are enough of them or they're significant you adjust the rule/law, you don't get rid of it.
If there's a rule, what's the rule?
Musk told you the rule: no real-time doxxing. It's okay to tweet, "at dinner tonight, Taylor Swift was at the next table with her grandmother!" It's not okay to tweet, "Taylor Swift is at the next table with her grandmother, so everybody get down here right now!"
I think Josh Marshall should send his address and present location to someone who will publish it on Twitter. Then we can all LOL at him.
Blogger Ann Althouse said...
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
This analogy is way off base. It's not even in the ballpark of the obvious safety issue here.
Tracking Musk's plane is telegraphing the pass. You can show that Musk's plane is going to land at LAX at 7pm, and coordinate some Antifa goon to be waiting for the arrival. And since Antifa is a "ghost" they might just show up on their own without you asking. Are we just going to pretend we don't understand that??
That's basically what happened. Are Musk haters now taking the position "he has it coming"?
This is about someone waiting outside an airport for Musk and his family to arrive...in order to harm Musk and his child.
The inherent hypocritical violence promoted by liberals has to be taken into account here.
I think this is a reasonable policy by Twitter. If someone posted Josh Marshall's address online, he would definitely be upset about it and try to get it taken down, and everyone knows this. What is upsetting Josh Marshall is that he and his allies won't be free to post the addresses of conservatives without suffering minor consequences.
I’m hardly an expert on bullet holes but I have done enough DIY hack repairs and carpentry to know what a bad drill job looks like: and that pic doesn’t look like a drill hole. Whatever made it was moving fast and hard: enough to tear off big deep chunks of wood, not just splinters. The wood looks to be birch plywood, a series of thin laminates. A drill would tear out the outermost laminate, but most of the deeper layers would remain much less affected. I think the hole was produced less by a twisting cutting tool like a drill bit (even one being vigorously pushed forward) and more by a very fast-moving and powerful punching tool. Like a bullet.
Can we see the back of the cabinet and the wall behind it?
Blogger Dr. Graphene said..."I used to respect the opinions of leftists. Sure we disagreed, but who cares - reasonable people can disagree, right?
Now I just fucking hate them. 🥲"
I'll add my name to the growing list. I don't feel good about it. But these people are just despicable.
And I'd add a distinction between the current crop of leftists and old-time liberals. There seems to be a sense of entitlement now that anything goes in their "struggle".
Drill Sgt. Groomer Howard is reporting for duty, I see.
Blogger rcocean said..."I'd like somethng more strict than "real time" location. What reason is there for a stranger to tweet out someone's home address? What reason is there for someone to tweet someone's private cellphone number?"
I agree with this 100%. I also agree with rcocean's follow up: "You can come up with all sorts of "What about X?" but so what? Every rule and law has situations that make applying the rule/law seem unreasonable. If there are enough of them or they're significant you adjust the rule/law, you don't get rid of it."
Anyone who claims Musk’s policies are unfair or unclear should be required to answer, “compared to what?” Before, with unclear and unevenly applied rules Antifa was allowed to organize and execute attacks using Twitter and bot-swarm anyone on Twitter that posted video of Antifa. On the other hand Libs of TikTok was repeatedly suspended for “doxxing” for the sin of retweeting other public social media posts. Criticizing Taylor Lorenz was equated to doxxing, which ironically she was allowed to do blatantly posting LOTT’s writer’s home address.
So far the new rules seem much fairer and evenly enforced.
What reason is there for a stranger to tweet out someone's home address? What reason is there for someone to tweet someone's private cellphone number?
I'm so old that I remember a time when everyone had a book with everyone else's name, phone number, and address in it. Someone used to give a copy to you for free every year with updated information. You could even order similar books from other locations with the names, phone numbers and addresses of the people who lived there.
What has changed is not the information that is available, but the way in which the Left uses that information to destroy and intimidate those they disagree with.
AOC: "I do get it." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11544491/Twitter-suspends-journalists-CNN-New-York-Times-covering-Elon-Musk.html
Best part of the stpry
"they were fired upon and fled"
John Henry
In the official journalist Mastodon, they are saying that it was a Dewalt drill, not a Makita.
Only official journalists (like me) are allowed to post on journa.host and then only after extensive vetting.
So if they say it is a Dewalt, you can take that to the bank
John Henry
NORAD next to be banned for their real-time Santa tracker.
This is some Jessie Smollett shit, for sure. Tim Pool is your favorite snowflake’s, favorite snowflake.
What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?
My favorite free speech case is Brandenburg v. Ohio.
Klan guy says...
The Klan has more members in the State of Ohio than does any other organization. We're not a revengent organization, but if our President, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it's possible that there might have to be some revengeance taken.
Supreme Court held 9-0 that this speech was okay.
the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.
Under Brandenburg, if you innocently tweet somebody's location ("I just saw Brad Pitt at the mall!"), that would be fine speech. The speaker must intend for harm to occur.
Also, random hatred is okay. "Musk is such a fascist, I wish he was dead." That's fine, too.
But what gets you in trouble is when you combine the two. "Musk is such a fascist, I wish he was dead, he's at the North Valley Mall right now, in Miami, December 19, 3:45, could somebody put two bullets in his head, please?" That's not only a legitimate banning, it might get you arrested.
"If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
If there's a rule, what's the rule?"
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Hate means you care. That's heartworming. I would pity you people if I cared. Keep chug-a-lugging that hate like it was Kava. The more you swallow, the better I feel.🤪
Howard @ 11:21: “…Hate means you care. That's heartworming…”
“Heartworming.”
Hmmm.
Blogger Howard said...
Hate means you care. That's heartworming. I would pity you people if I cared. Keep chug-a-lugging that hate like it was Kava. The more you swallow, the better I feel.🤪
Howard showing us what hate looks like.
Interior, basement storage room converted to weapons depot, secret hideout of legendary assasin THE INTERLOPER.
INTERLOPER: We must assassinate Musk.
HENCHMAN 1: But he's always flying to different places! How will we find him?
HENCHMAN 2: Could we track his jet using public data?
INTERLOPER: But don't we have to, like, go to a website and dig around a bit?
HENCHMAN 2: Sure, I could do it in five minutes. But actually there's a Twitter account that does it for us.
INTERLOPER: But how will we find the account?
HENCHMAN 2: Some journalists have recently covered Musk's statements about the account, and provided a link.
INTERLOPER: My plan is coming to fruition! Prepare my mid-air interceptor!
HENCHMAN 2 (cowering): sir, he's banned the account -- and the reporters!
INTERLOPER (shaking fist): Muuuuuuuuuskkkkk!
HENCHMAN 2: Want me to go to the public website?
INTERLOPER (still shaking fist): MUUUUUUU...
And, scene.
Musk's son was found and followed, multiple times by an Antifa idiot who looked not too sane. THIS is not a public appearance. This is setting up a private person as a target. Remember the outcry over Sarah Palin's target map of Democrats? This is worse.
It's so funny that the same people who scream that they are in danger when someone calls them a bad name on Twitter, are all 'OK' with showing the actual whereabouts of a person to be targeted. Nothing at all malicious in that, huh?
gahrie said
"I'm so old that I remember a time when everyone had a book with everyone else's name, phone number, and address in it. Someone used to give a copy to you for free every year with updated information. You could even order similar books from other locations with the names, phone numbers and addresses of the people who lived there."
"The new phonebooks here, the new phonebooks here!!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU
Origin, intent, and scope.
murder (n.)
"unlawful killing of another human being by a person of sound mind with premeditated malice," c. 1300, murdre, earlier morþer, from Old English morðor (plural morþras) "secret killing of a person, unlawful killing," also "mortal sin, crime; punishment, torment, misery," from Proto-Germanic *murthran (source also of Goth maurþr, and, from a variant form of the same root, Old Saxon morth, Old Frisian morth, Old Norse morð, Middle Dutch moort, Dutch moord, German Mord "murder"), from suffixed form of PIE root *mer- "to rub away, harm" (also "to die" and forming words referring to death and to beings subject to death).
In the modern family, unlawful and lawful, it seems. All's fair in lust and abortion? Caveat emptor.
Ann Althouse said...
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
If there's a rule, what's the rule?
Don't tweet someone else's real time location.
So no, you can't.
We used to have a high rust society. We used to have phone books with numbers names and addresses. We no longer have a high trust society.
We will have to have this rule and other rules like it as long as these leftist shitheads are allowed to pollute our society.
In order to have a high trust society the incompatible elements will need to be suppressed or purged.
Fuzzy Chimp 🇺🇸
@fuzzychimpcom
I would like to point out if a website was devoted to live-tracking Nancy Pelosi's whereabouts and Fox News and Newsmax were sharing it, these people would be calling for Biden's DOJ to arrest people.
Lie in wait at LAX? Good luck with that. Don't believe that's what happened or if it did amazing luck.
Irrespective of the doxxing question, I'm puzzled by the photograph. There's a hole in the back of a drawer(?). The text suggests someone shot at a house. A bullet that goes through the wall of a house probably won't make a neat hole in whatever it hits next.
Ann Althouse said...
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
If there's a rule, what's the rule
Google intent…
Ann Althouse said...
If you see a celebrity at the next table in a restaurant, can you tweet about it?
If there's a rule, what's the rule?
Interesting hypothetical. This is fun. I have one too.
If you know there are a lot of mentally unstable people on twitter, perhaps people who are so out of touch with reality that they think they can snap their fingers and change their sex, and/or people who equate millions of Americans with Nazis without proof (and lots of evidence to the contrary), and/or people who are fine with violence being committed against others because of differing political views, many of whom have called out a particular person for scorn because he has different political views, should you be able to keep a running tab on the location of that person's children and tweet out updates to the mentally unstable people who hate him? Hypothetically speaking, of course.
Blogger Tomcc said...
Irrespective of the doxxing question, I'm puzzled by the photograph. There's a hole in the back of a drawer(?). The text suggests someone shot at a house. A bullet that goes through the wall of a house probably won't make a neat hole in whatever it hits next.
Does the house in your hypothetical have windows?
“I used to respect the opinions of leftists. Sure we disagreed, but who cares - reasonable people can disagree, right?
Now I just fucking hate them. 🥲”
“Me too. It has come to that.”
“I'll add my name to the growing list. I don't feel good about it. But these people are just despicable.
And I'd add a distinction between the current crop of leftists and old-time liberals. There seems to be a sense of entitlement now that anything goes in their "struggle".”
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Hate as an emotion seems very natural to you rightist folks. As Howard says, gulp that hate like Kava.
“Keep chug-a-lugging that hate like it was Kava.”
Would Howard be so “heartwormed” if someone broadcast where and what time he went swimming? I tell you what — if someone did do that he might just learn some of that civility bullshit.
Keep pushing it, leftists.
Keep it up.
Achilles @ 1:02: "...In order to have a high trust society the incompatible elements will need to be suppressed or purged." Sounds right; but IMHO trust, once lost, is hard to regain or rebuild. There's an asymmetry or instability in the system: it only takes one spill to ruin a swimming pool, and here we have a good many of them.
One way to offset the asymmetry would be very severe and public suppression/purgation of the "incompatible elements." But what are the chances of that?
Achilles @ 1:02: "...In order to have a high trust society the incompatible elements will need to be suppressed or purged." Sounds right; but IMHO trust, once lost, is hard to regain or rebuild. There's an asymmetry or instability in the system: it only takes one spill to ruin a swimming pool, and here we have a good many of them.
One way to offset the asymmetry would be very severe and public suppression/purgation of the "incompatible elements." But what are the chances of that?
Remember when some reporter posted about the Obama’s daughter smoking pot? Liberals went ape shit crazy “Don’t talk about the kids! Don’t talk about the kids!” This was after the fact and they were at least high school age. But they could give a shit about Musk’s toddler!
If that hole is .355 to .357 inches in diameter, or 5.56 mm, then not a drill bit.
IMHO, the hole and debris is consistent with a jacketed spitzer bullet.
I had to google Mr. Pool. What a twit.
I much enjoyed reading the following:
On Thursday night, Musk jumped in a Twitter Spaces [that] Buzzfeed’s Katie Notopoulos had created to discuss the suspensions. Musk explained that sharing the live location of his jet is “inappropriate” and would not be tolerated.
“There is not going to be any distinction between journalists — so-called journalists — and regular people. Everyone’s going to be treated the same. They’re not special because they’re journalists. You’re a citizen, so no special treatment. You dox, you get suspended, end of story,” Musk said.
It was downright heartwarming.
A bullet that goes through the wall of a house probably won't make a neat hole in whatever it hits next.
Agreed, and that nice round hole looks like a .50 caliber......or a 1/2 inch paddle bore.
There appears to be debris left in the drawer from the electric drill.
If Tim Pool wasn't home, then who in the hell was able to return fire??
I see no reason to reinstate those democrat fascist accounts. They ARE promoting assignation.
As far as posting that see X at a table having dinner being banned, I am all for that as well. Who the **** gives you the right to put someones life in danger like that. Nothing does and especially with democrat violent fascists running around you should be at least banned if not prosecuted.
Unless you are a celebrity with lots of followers or a criminal with a specialized follower set I don't see a bigger a risk in tweeting celebrity sighting than stopping one on the street to say hi or ask for record of the encounter.
Looking at that picture any reasonable analysis says it is not a drilled hole. It was punched through. The entry is through the back and is visibly smaller than the exit. Spalling. Drilling doesn’t do that.
Taking the story at face value that the shot came from outside the house, the bullet passed through 1/2” plywood or OSB, about 3-1/2” of insulation, 1/2” of drywall, then the back of the dresser then the drawer. At a minimum.
To pass through the first two layers and have enough penetrating power to show that kind of hole means not a typical hunters bullet. They’re designed to mushroom and not penetrate like that. Full metal jacket or steel jacketed or armor piercing bullet. That’s a pretty big hole. So large caliber rifle. With a lousy shooter- or it was meant to frighten not to kill. A kill shot would come through a window.
What counts as real-time location doxxing? If you go to a public event with a speaker and tweet about it in real time, are you committing the wrong that gets you banned now on Twitter?
Really?
"I'm on AA Flight XYZ with AOC. We're landing at Laguardia in 2 hours. When I learn what Gate we'll be landing at, I'll let you know" is real-time location doxxing.
"I'm seeing Jon Bon Jovi in concert" is not real-time location doxxing. "I'm seeing Jon Bon Jovi in concert at the X Pavilion. I can see Nancy Pelosi in Ro 2, seat Y" is real time location doxxing.
I just saw Trump's Press Secretary sit down to eat dinner at X" is real time location doxxing.
Are you releasing information such that Antifa / Oath Keepers / Proud Boys / pick your "hate group" can show up and threaten / cause harm to someone? Then you're engaging in real-time location doxxing.
Did you notice a famous person on your plane flight? Post the information after your flight has disembarked.
If someone has publicly released information ("I'm speaking at X on Y"), feel free to repeat it.
If someone has not, dont' tell where they are until it's too late for someone to use that to physically attack them.
Why?
Because someone used that kind of information to attack Musk's son, and so he's not going to let you use his website to share it any more
If Tim Pool wasn't home, then who in the hell was able to return fire??
Neighbors?
Oh you people! It wasn't a drill, it was an impact driver! In regards to the bullet, Gospace comes closest to the mark. A FMJ .223 will go through the wall of a house/garage and keep on going maybe through every wall it encounters. Remember the difference between "concealment" and "cover"? Concealment doesn't mean safe (like hiding behind a door). The bullet will go through the door no matter how good you've hidden. Cover means that you are positioned behind some object so that a bullet will not impact you. Unless you break cover. I would want to see the interior walls of the house before deciding Tim Pool was truthful or not.
For once I agree with Howard's take: "The more you swallow, the better I feel.🤪". I'm not a big fan of spitters.
Marcus B. THEOLDMAN
That's hilarious Inga. Now attack the liberals and the Left for their HATE. Oh, Wait. That's different.
And yes, I'm perfectly willing to stoop to the liberal/left's level.
madAsHell said...
If Tim Pool wasn't home, then who in the hell was able to return fire??
He's got private security. Plus, he lives in a rural area and I think there are other people who live on his property.
He's been swatted several times and has had it happen while he was streaming his podcast.
We Got SWATTED During The Livestream With Retired Cop Brandon Tatum
look at Inga, sucking up
Classic straw man argument.
Is ease of obtaining information the problem? Or is it what one does with the info?
Are guns the problem? Or what one does with the gun?
Is your penis the problem? Or...?
Remember: Freedom isn't free. No there's a hefty fuckin'...
Sorry, sorry! Song's stuck in my head. Can't get it out. Tried. Cannotdoit!
I blame the internet.
I blame you, the internet & information.
I blame MYSELF for choosing you, the internet & information as my personal pronouns.
Four is too many. Shoulda just gone with &. One pronoun perfection! Nice round number.
Often mistaken for the infinity symbol. Unlimited possibilites and I can go all night! Hubba-Hubba!
Anywho.
Can someone log me off?
(That's a euphemism)
Smooches,
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Ann’s question is less pertinent than it seems. Consider stalking. What specific act constitutes stalking? There isn’t one , it’s a pattern of behaviour no element of which might be illegal considered in isolation. But the crime exists. You cannot separate it from judgments about intent and context. It hasn’t proven impossible or unworkable. We have laws against disclosing the location of or following jurors but everyone knows they are in court at specific times.
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