November 15, 2022

"[T]hat the book contains only four songs performed by women... is both grim and astounding...."

Writes Amanda Petrusich in"A Response to Bob Dylan’s 'Philosophy of Modern Song' There was something missing from the bard’s recent book" (The New Yorker).

Is it? Grim and astounding? Is it astounding because you'd think, in this day and age, that any informed writer would know you have to gender-balance your lists of favored works of art? That Bob Dylan didn't is a little astounding, but why is it grim? I think it's kind of encouraging that Bob didn't think he had to do that, and it can be a little grim to see other people's lists and suspect that's what they did.

In the book, Bob talks about women a lot, because the songs written about men tend to be about women — from the man's point of view. Why shouldn't Bob take the man's point of view? You want him appropriating what women think? He does that in his songs — "She's got everything she needs..." — but he's being the man who's imagining — maybe wrongly — what the woman is thinking.

Petrusich writes:

Even if it were possible to hotfoot around the lack of women (and it is hard to find a way to understand the void as satirical), his essay on Johnnie Taylor’s “Cheaper to Keep Her” is peppered with odd, doddering declarations: a married couple with no children is “not a family. . . . They are just two friends; friends with benefits and insurance coverage but just friends nonetheless.”

He goes on to argue for polygamy, and wonders if a “downtrodden woman with no future, battered around by the whims of a cruel society” would be “better off as one of a rich man’s wives—taken care of properly, rather than friendless on the street depending on government stamps?” Is this a joke? Does it matter?

Petrusich goes on to make a list of songs by women which theoretically could have been written about. But she doesn't write them up in any way, so her list doesn't balance Dylan's book. It's just a list of songs she thinks might have been good to write about instead of the one's Dylan chose.

I've been watching the new season of "The Crown," and I read recaps of the episodes at a blog where they often criticize the show for depicting some historical events but not others — e.g., the tampon conversation but not the attempted kidnapping of Princess Anne. But "The Crown" is a work of art and the artists chose what they chose. If you were writing your own show... well, who cares? You don't have your own show. You're naming things that could have been chosen, but without the task of actually making the work of art. 

To paraphrase Bob: You're not an artist.

39 comments:

Kate said...

One of the greatest songs ever composed -- Diamonds and Rust -- was written by a woman about Bob Dylan. Give the man credit. If he'd been a better boyfriend we'd have missed out on a masterpiece.

mccullough said...

There are some great women artists in the Bob era (Aretha, Joni, Patti, Chrissie, Suzanne, and Fiona off the top of my head) so maybe a woman could write a book about songs or artists

The list would be pretty close to Dylan’s

Dave Begley said...

Diversity balance is the new fixation of the Left.

I was in the gallery of a recent Omaha City Council meeting. The Mayor's Chief of Staff is Black. He's also the former Chief of Police.

A committee had been formed to write an RFP for Omaha's Climate Action Plan. The Black city council woman repeatedly asked the Mayor's Chief of Staff if this committee was diverse. He said yes. But this woman wouldn't take his word for it. She wanted numbers! She went on and on. It was a complete embarrassment. A Black woman wouldn't take the word of a Black man on the issue of diversity. It was an idiotic question to begin with.

Joe Smith said...

Woman complains.

News at 11...

Original Mike said...

"…and it can be a little grim to see other people's lists and suspect that's what they did."

Suspect? You only suspect? Everybody knows the score.

mccullough said...

The odd thing about female artists is that women tend to support the attractive performers (Madonna, Beyoncé, and Taylor) and not the ones whose music people will still listen to in 40 years.

There are more female performers who are better singers than male performers. But so what?

Bob Dylan’s voice is terrible but effective.

I mean Madonna and Taylor Swift? I understand their popularity and give them props for their hard work and commercial success.

But that lipstick junkie music is written in water. There are plenty of boys who give us lipstick junkie music (Harry Styles is the latest prince). But that music is for girls as well.

As Bob said Joni, she’s a guy (boys dig her music).

Enigma said...

Camille Paglia wrote:

If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.


https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/camille_paglia_159814

mccullough said...

I’m going to expand the great music outside of the White.

Kanye, Kendrick, and Jay-Z.

Some outstanding stuff. All give props to Bowie.

These guys cull the best.

PM said...

Melanie pissed.

RNB said...

Bob Dylan is thus unmasked as a monster of misogyny.

And Amanda Petrusich is revealed as small-minded, gnat-straining, bean-counting non-entity.

Birches said...

So who are the four women? Because I scanned the article and didn't see the named. I figured Joni Mitchell would be one, but she's first on the omitted list. River is one of the finest songs ever made and like many of Dylan's songs, the genius of it is more appreciated when I hear a great cover.

Birches said...

So who are the four women? Because I scanned the article and didn't see the named. I figured Joni Mitchell would be one, but she's first on the omitted list. River is one of the finest songs ever made and like many of Dylan's songs, the genius of it is more appreciated when I hear a great cover.

Yancey Ward said...

This entire post and the source material are anti-gender-neutral. Where are the books written about the songs and art of the non-binary? Where are the essays complaining about this lack of such books? Ms. Petrusich needs to be cancelled, and Bob Dylan needs to hanged, or vice versa.

Lurker21 said...

Rock journalism from the 50s through the 70s was very androcentric. The focus was on cutting away from mom and the schoolteachers and the restrictions on male sexuality. Early folkies weren't usually feminists either, even if they appreciated woman singers.

Let Dylan be Dylan. If he weren't true to himself and to his past he wouldn't be Dylan.

Maybe there's some sense to ambitious woman reviewers taking on and taking down old male writers (it does get repetitive after a while), but unless one's a cultist, one doesn't hear from Dylan that often and we aren't likely to hear much from him in the future, so let the guy be and enjoy what he does have to offer.

Joe Smith said...

Maybe he is coming at it from a writer's perspective.

Just like women comedians (only Carol Burnett, Mary Tyler Moore, and Lucille Ball are funny), maybe the female writing pool is thin.

Off the top of my head, Carole King is a great song writer...

pacwest said...

Last I checked Dylan is a male. His worldview and artistry comes from that perspective. Maybe if he cut off his penis everyone would be better off.

MB said...

Will she get in trouble for her Euro-centric view of polygamy? She's such a cultural elitist.

MB said...

Will she get in trouble for her Euro-centric view of polygamy? She's such a cultural elitist.

Critter said...

Is this woman not engaging in an attempt to muzzle free speech? Or worse, to make publication of a book like Dylan's a thought crime? What next? Do they round up everyone who bought the book and send them to re-education camps? She should be called out as the dangerous anti-free speech authoritarian that she is.

Jupiter said...

"Petrusich writes:..."

But I do not read.

Ann Althouse said...

"So who are the four women? Because I scanned the article and didn't see the named. I figured Joni Mitchell would be one, but she's first on the omitted list."

It doesn't purport to be a list of the greatest songs or the greatest songwriters. It's just the songs Dylan decided to write about. They seemed to be things that reached him personally or that he happened to have some things to say about.

So, actually, no, none of Joni's songs get an essay, though she is mentioned in the book. He mentions her guitar playing when he talks about The Grateful Dead and he mention "The Circle Game" when he's writing about "Old and Only in the Way" (Charlie Poole).

Who are the women songwriters that get a whole essay? Well, there's Mrs. Elmer Laird, who wrote "Poison Love" (sung by men).

There's Mary Jean Shurtz, one of 3 co-writers of "There Stands the Glass."

There's Dorothy LaBostrie, who wrote "Tutti Frutti" with Little Richard.

There's Sharon Sheeley, who wrote "Poor Little Fool" (sung by Ricky Nelson).

There's Cindy Walker, who wrote "You Don't Know Me" with Eddy Arnold.

There's by Cousin Emmy (Cynthia May Carver) who wrote "Ruby Are You Mad at Your Man?"

There's Cynthia Weil who co-wrote "Saturday Night at the Movies."

You weren't expecting that, were you?

Ann Althouse said...

About the performers, I only noticed w: Nina Simone (on "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood") and Cher (on "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves") and Judy Garland ("Come Rain or Come Shine").

Ann Althouse said...

The 4th is Rosemary Clooney ("Come On-a My House")

Ann Althouse said...

Can you just imagine Dylan forcing himself to do more women, writing about them medicinally?

It's just absurd.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Slightly off topic: Allan Bloom's Closing book, 1987, p. 65. "... all literature today is sexist. The Muses never sang to the poets about liberated women." Early Margaret Atwood, like early Alanis M. and Taylor Swift, had a lot of whining about boyfriends. Maybe Handmaid's Tale is the ultimate revenge. Obviously some female song writers have been trying, with or without the help of the Muses.

This past March Harper's Bazaar ran "53 of the best feminist anthems of all time." One near the top is Lesley Gore, "You Don't Own Me," 1963, written by two men. Generally the songs are quite recent: "I'm Every Woman" by poor old Whitney. "Nasty," performed by Janet Jackson, with many song writers, probably mostly male, but Ariane Grande is in there. Aretha Franklin's "Respect" written by Otis Redding. ("Natural Woman" is not here, written by Carole King and two men). Gloria Gaynor "I Will Survive," written by two men. Loretta Lynn, "The Pill," written by herself and two men. (She's credited with about 20 songs on Wikipedia). Kind of country: the Chicks, Alison Krauss, Sheryl Crow. I don't know how to classify Sarah McLachlan.

In the rock world, I touched on Grace Slick a while ago. Chrissie Hynde. Carole Pope (lyrics, representing for Toronto). I'm a big fan of Carole King and Laura Nyro. Is it possible King's best songs were actually before Tapestry, and they were co-written with a man? Dorothy Fields wrote some great lyrics, from the very romantic ("The Way You Look Tonight") to wry commentary on dating a man who's a cold fish ("A Fine Romance") to loud contempt for a man who doesn't ... put out ("Hey Big Spender").

Amexpat said...

And if my thought-dreams could be seen
They’d probably put my head in a guillotine
But it’s alright, Ma, it’s life, and life only

Ficta said...

And there is Janis Martin, front and center on the cover, between Little Richard and Eddie Cochran, so there's that.

Ficta said...

Whoops, that's Alis Lesley, apparently, not Janis Martin, I got the wrong "female Elvis".

boatbuilder said...

When Joseph Conrad wrote "Heart of Darkness," he didn't include any women characters.

Ergo, it cannot be a worthwhile book.

What foolishness.

Big O's Meanings Dictionary said...

Bob Dylan - definition

name

The world's only successful nose flutist.

Sebastian said...

"Petrusich goes on to make a list of songs by women which theoretically could have been written about."

This also hints at the old feminist dilemma: women have been and still are oppressed by the patriarchy that prevents them from doing great things and women have in fact done great things that the patriarchy doesn't but should recognize. Which is it?

I have no opinion on any of the songs, but I'd be curious if any experts here think the alternative list measures up in terms of quality (not that BD should have included any of it).

WSJ had an article recently about women entering the musical canon. Which I'm in favor of. But at the same time it is puzzling that in an art from that has few intrinsic barriers--I mean, children can be great at it--so few women produced truly great work. (Of course, very few men did as well etc. etc.) Something about the tails of the relevant distributions coming into play?

khematite said...

>Big O's Meanings Dictionary said...
>Bob Dylan - definition

>name

>The world's only successful nose flutist.


It would be a close contest between Dylan and Jean Shepherd

http://nose-flute.blogspot.com/2016/06/jean-shepherd-and-nose-flute-part-i.html

mikee said...

Analyzing the supposed reasoning behind the attack on good old Bob is futile. You must realize that with modern progressive leftism, any position, thought, idea, opinion, action or even silent catatonic stillness can be damned as counterrevolutiinary and wrong. Because in part, leftists aren't logically consistent nor rational, and in part leftists believe the charges are what matters, not reality.

Bob stands accused and is therefore guilty.

Nobody said...

A Mouseburger of a book review. As a woman of 61, I know Dylan's career and his "persona". He didn't collaborate writing music with many people in general, and Baez is the one woman with whom he performed with in his early days during their personal relationship. So, it is no surprise Dylan didn't do the "gender inclusivity tour"...Bob has never done politically correct! Frankly, I never liked working with women either...too much bit*hing, whining and manipulation for my tastes.

Birches said...

Thanks Althouse. A very eclectic list, like Dylan himself.

Birches said...


@Joe Smith

I considered Carol King as one of the possible women, but discarded it. The idea of Carol King seems more valid than actual Carol King. I'll probably get in trouble for that.

rcocean said...

These essays are written in Dylan’s unique prose. They are mysterious and mercurial, poignant and profound, and often laugh-out-loud funny. And while they are ostensibly about music, they are really meditations and reflections on the human condition.

Given that, and its written by Nobel Prize winner, can we really expect him to talk about chicks?

Kirk Parker said...

pacwest,

"Last I checked Dylan is a male"

Suddenly, everyone thinks they're a biologist.

And could you explain, for the court, in precise detail exactly what checking that involved? ;-)

Sebastian,

"This also hints at the old feminist dilemma: ... Which is it?"

That's some pretty heavy-duty mansplaining you've got going on there. Why on earth shouldn't She have it both ways???


RobertL said...

Bitch, bitch, bitch...heh