"'What I know about the family is that they’re very radical activists,' said one of DePape’s neighbors, a woman who only gave her first name, Trish. 'They seem very left. They are all about the Black Lives Matter movement. Gay pride. But they’re very detached from reality. They have called the cops on several of the neighbors, including us, claiming that we are plotting against them. It’s really weird to see that they are willing to be so aggressive toward somebody else who is also a lefty.'.... Wrapped up in their own obsession with Trump Republicans, most journalists have missed the real story. David DePape is not a microcosm of the political psychosis gripping America in general. Rather, he’s a microcosm of the drug-induced psychosis gripping the West Coast in particular. Yesterday afternoon I visited the Berkeley house where DePape had lived with his former lover, Oxane 'Gypsy' Taub, 53, a charismatic Russian immigrant 11 years David’s senior. DePape appears to have fallen under the spell of Taub around 2003, when DePape was a quiet, video game-obsessed 21-year-old in Powell River, a town of 14,000 people that is a four-hour drive up the coast of British Columbia from Vancouver....."
Writes Michael Shellenberger in "Pelosi Attack Suspect Was A Psychotic Homeless Addict Estranged From His Pedophile Lover & Their Children/Berkeley resident David DePape was more in the grip of drug-induced psychosis than ideology-induced fanaticism" (Substack).
This is my second DePape post of the morning. For the Depape-is-a-righty perspective, go to the earlier post. I am utterly neutral on DePape. I don't need him to fit one narrative of the other. So I will continue to watch and post/comment when I think it might be helpful.
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What is the likelihood that someone living in Berkeley, apparently gay (basing that on the Castro St references) was a right winger politically? Maybe 0.1%?
Shellenberger does good work. Rogan interviewed him on homelessness and his research and ideas were excellent. He is not a man of the left or right, as we think of those words now. He knows San Fran and California very well.
I'm more interested to see how the media spin this. The timing is... happy coincidence territory.
Feels like a "SEE! All rightwingers are crazy and they are on the cusp of destroying Democracy! with a hammer!" ... hysteria.
Writes Michael Shellenberger in "Pelosi Attack Suspect Was A Psychotic Homeless Addict Estranged From His Pedophile Lover
Obviously a right-wing MAGA White supremacist Trumper lunatic. Move along.
Order is breaking down. Everything is corrupt. And the Dems brought us here.
Not weird, but a logical progression, where in the authoritarian model, there can be only one. His psycho-sexual divergence may have included grooming of young and old, which resisting conventional consensus and characterization, and evolved through forced, perhaps loving transition... using a [medical] hammer, mallet, gavel... instrument.
My biggest question is still where was Pelosi's security.
The easiest explanation is DePape has serious mental health issues. Why was Paul Pelosi in his underwear? Maybe he was asleep, heard a noise and came downstairs to check it out. Why would an 82 year old do that? It's the generation - my 80+ year old Dad did something similar (and got pepper sprayed but otherwise fine).
I'm more interested to see how the media spin this.
A handmade tale, probably, with the truth told in darkness, at a later time, forgotten.
It's a waste of time trying to fit people with mental issues into any neat categories. I will say that there a lot of people with mental issues and drug problems roaming the streets these days out here in California.
In the previous post, Wince said...
So, even DePape was going to vote Republican in the 2022 midterm election?
Well, he may be crazy, but he ain’t no fool.
"Neighbors described DePape as a homeless addict with a politics that was, until recently, left-wing, but of secondary importance to his psychotic and paranoid behavior."
Nailed it!
"I don't need him to fit one narrative of the other"
But you did introduce the moral responsibility narrative earlier today.
Schellenberger's running for gov mostly on a platform of "let's deal with our homeless and mentally ill population". He's right to comment early like this; it's his election wheelhouse. I wish him luck.
The comments to the earlier post asked why the Berkeley house was described as "linked to" the attacker. Apparently he'd recently been living in a school bus on the property and not the house itself.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/paul-pelosi-attacker-david-depape-lived-in-a-school-bus/
Depape's kids say that he abused them.
https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/paul-pelosi-attacker-david-depape-sexually-abused-his-kids-stepdaughter/
What I know about the family is that they’re very radical activists,' said one of DePape’s neighbors,
a woman who only gave her first name, Trish. 'They seem very left. They are all about the Black Lives Matter movement. Gay pride. But they’re very detached from reality
THIS, is The Definition of a right wing , pro trump terrorist... Right igna?
We’ll never learn the truth.
How does a homeless man have neighbors to call the cops on?
I just want to know if the other person there, that opened the door for the police was in their underwear too??!!!
RoseAnne said...
My biggest question is still where was Pelosi's security.
IF we assume, that hammerboy broke a window, and entered That way..
Who here can imagine that Pelosi's windows aren't taped with security sensors? SERIOUSLY?
NO alarms went off.. The police DID NOT KNOW, until Mr Pelosi called 911 to say a friend was in his house. Mr Pelosi did NOT push an alarm button.. he called 911 to say a friend was in the house.
Who here can imagine that Pelosi's house doesn't have an alarm button? SERIOUSLY?
SERIOUSLY??
which of YOU don't have alarm systems?? Professor? igna? anyone? any one at all??
Its amusing that Michael Shellenberger, not a professional journalist, did actual investigation reporting, including going to the person's house.
Quote from the article:
"Black Lives Matter sign in the window and an LGBT rainbow flag"
Does not sound very "MAGA".
NY Post also has an article:
Paul Pelosi attacker David DePape lived in a school bus
My take is typical mental health issues, probably due to increase in THC Content in Marijuana that seems to cause Psychosis in some individuals. Article on an increase in San Diego:
San Diego ER seeing up to 37 marijuana cases a day — mostly psychosis
April is more interested in the spin instead of the reality. This is self harm induced anxiety, mania and depression. I know it's the truth because Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris outlined the science behind this modern maladaptive malaise.
Wonder if the man in his under pants who came in thru the back door of the San Fran townhouse and whom Paul called a friend named David got jealous of his friend Paul and grabbed Paul’s hammer from him? That’s the story until the media injects that underwear man asked, “ Where is Nancy.” Hmm..?
Cue the ghost of Norm MacDonald: "I mean, this guy was a real jerk."
Schellenberger makes good points. Chalk this one up to California's drug policies. But let's be honest about the behavior of Biden and other Democrats: they are using the violent victimization of an elderly man to scream "fascist" in their efforts to expel anyone who opposes them from civilization itself. And that is the real fascism here. It is real, and it has power, and the media marches in lockstep with it, and it should repel and frighten any thinking person of any political persuasion.
Back in the 1960s and 1970s California had a law-and-order versus anything goes culture war. The countercultural left arrived with WW2 and the Beatniks and Hippies weren't treated well. See Dirty Harry #1...he was portrayed as a dirty gray-area cop. All sorts of non-mainstream and nonconformists felt under threat, including gays, drug users, anti-war pacifists, Black activists, trendy Hindus and buddhists, cults like the Moonies, immigrants (i.e., illegal/undocumented), etc. So, lefty California politicians looked to defend, protect, and support those fighting against the squares, the government, the draft/military, the over-30s, and the police.
Prisons were said to be too tough and cruel to many people, and they should all be in neighborhood care centers. But then, the NIMBYs didn't want them and so they ended up in squalid, dysfunctional places like L.A.'s Skid Row and San Francisco's Tenderloin districts. Then the residents learned to turn a blind eye toward those outside their bubble and pretend they didn't exist for several decades. Then Trump happened, and many leftist minds snapped.
DePape is a garden variety California insane eccentric. San Franciscans can rest well knowing there are thousands more just like him sleeping on every sidewalk.
Moral responsibility: 90%+ falls on California's own citizens, and 10% at most on recent Republican/conservative/Trump attitude. The right and moderates were long purged from California, so the left must blame themselves. But they lack the will or ability or rational framework, and thereby project on some abstract "evil other" beyond their control.
'Wonder if the man in his under pants who came in thru the back door of the San Fran townhouse...'
A lot of back door visitors in that city.
What are you trying to say?
The truth behind this attack, especially if it is humiliating for the Pelosis, will never see the light of day. SF is full of crazies and gays.
I jumped the gun yesterday when I opined it was a left wing political attack. As more and more oozes out, it appears it was a left wing lovers tryst gone bad.
We, of course, will never get the full details. Both the attacker and the attackee in their underpants, however, says something. No alrms tripped says another thing, since reports are the ppremises are heavily secured.
Yep, the Pelosis really don't want this event to linger in the public eye. Anyone want to bet the "attacker" sees no jail time? Either due to a plea deal or all chatges being dropped?
There is no evidence of a 'recent Trump attitude' by the attacker. His social media fixations fall into the nebulous "truther" zone occupied, as (personally leftist) Matt Taibbi and other honest journalists report, with people from the extreme left, extreme libertarianism, and a category one might call just plain nuts. Other details of his life, shall we say, lean hard left. He certainly wouldn't be welcome in MAGA circles. And he probably wouldn't be welcome in DNC circles.
This looks like Taxi Driver territory, and if we had a responsible Democrat Party, they would have to admit they're not even sure the shooter is playing Travis Bickle in the movie. But from the President down, including Rep. Abigail Spamberger and countless journalists they are already vocally blaming the attack on Republicans. That is reprehensible.
who came in thru the back door of the San Fran townhouse...'
A lot of back door visitors in that city.
We can infer that San Fran is a veritable back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP.
San Diego ER seeing up to 37 marijuana cases a day — mostly psychosis
Puff the hallucinating drag quee...
Seems like a lot of effort is being expended trying to pin this on political motivations, when what is known around this case does not indicate any political motivations at all.
Whether DePape is a left-winger or not, the more pertinent point is that DePape seems to be a product of left-wing politics and ideology. Homelessness, crime, drug abuse etc. are right-wing/conservative talking points against the left-wing policies for which DePaul seems to be a local poster boy.
So while it most likely will not end up that we can claim DePape was performing politically motivated left-wing acts, we can still hold this up as an ironic end-result of left-wing policies that SF is so fond of.
Word on Capitol Hill is that Pelosi was involved in a gay tryst that went wrong.
I do not know how the Democrats/media can cover this up for long.
If I need to choose between the narrative of Rolling Stone and Michael Shellenberger (who is no right winger) I would go with Shellenberger. I already thought the Pelosi incident was more evidence that allowing the mentally ill to roam free until they kill someone is not a good plan for America's cities.
I meant to add or attack someone important. The poor old folks attacked while they go shopping and in home invasions in San Francisco continue to have little recourse.
I believe Charles Manson and Jim Jones had somewhat similar career paths or trajectories, at least after Manson's release from prison in 1967, when he was 34. Jones was a bit older, and moved his flock, the People's Temple, from Indianapolis to California in 1965. For a while I thought they might have been doing some kind of street outreach/preaching in San Francisco at about the same time (1967-8?), but now I'm not sure. Manson had a place out in the desert, Spahn Ranch, now part of a state park north and west of LA, beginning in 1968. Perhaps like a lot of people he was obsessed with Hollywood.
One of Manson's "scriptures" was apparently Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land: a human raised on Mars who never ceases to find life on earth alien, joins a church which is permissive with insiders, extremely harsh to outsiders. There was also the Bible, Scientology, Dale Carnegie (you can do it if you try) and the Beatles--enough to convince hippies, much younger than himself, that he kind of knew everything important. Jones of course started out as an actual Christian preacher. I don't think either of them would be described as on the right, even today; Jones for sure had something to do with the left, at least in early days (civil rights, integration, housing, socialism and communism). Do the drugs and crazy theories just take over at some point, regardless of where you started?
It is too far a stretch to claim recognition of the attack fitting a right wing domestic terrorist narrative to walk it back with a post simply showing an opposing view. Unless your definition of terrorist is anyone that seems a threat.
Regardless of why Ann naively initially accepted the left wing narrative, she now has come back, which reflects well on her.
I think the the homeless left wing addict with mental problems is likely the accurate one, with his mental problems causing some weird recent extreme right posts and anti-semetic posts (more left than right).
There also obviously is more to the story, so need to wait for more facts. For example, police said an "unknown person" answered the door. They obviously know the person. The police seem intent on creating a limited pro-Pelosi narrative (which may be true, but we'll see)>
Sorry if this is repeat.
Regardless of why Ann naively initially accepted the left wing narrative, she now has come back, which reflects well on her.
I think the the homeless left wing addict with mental problems is likely the accurate one, with his mental problems causing some weird recent extreme right posts and anti-semetic posts (more left than right).
There also obviously is more to the story, so need to wait for more facts. For example, police said an "unknown person" answered the door. They obviously know the person. The police seem intent on creating a limited pro-Pelosi narrative (which may be true, but we'll see)>
Shellenberger writes with a strange twist and blames others for not seeing that:
"The episode was typical of the chaos that swirled around DePape during the years leading up to his alleged attack on Paul Pelosi."
Nothing was "alleged." Police entered the Pelosi condo in 'Frisco and found intruder David DePape striking octogenarian Paul Pelosi with a hammer, which required emergency surgery. The 911 operator overheard DePape demanding "Where is Nancy?" That phrase is January 6 all over again. Do we simply let a thousand attackers at the Capitol off the hook by declaring them weirdos and druggies, even when the description fits?
Political violence is always threatening to come from the Right, but always actually comes from the Left.
Just like fascism
Poor gadfly, always having those J6 flashbacks . . .
Meanwhile, there is a large group of left-wing Catholic anti-Catholics who are saying that the person really at fault is the SF Archbishop who told Nancy to not present herself for Communion because of her rabid pro-abortion policies and practices.
Lloyd W. Robertson - Jim Jones had some political connections in SF, basically he could deliver votes:
https://www.city-journal.org/jim-jones-san-francisco
Nothing was "alleged."
Due process, who needs it, amirite comrade gadfly?
Gadfly, outside every Trump event held anywhere but in rural areas, there were hundreds and sometimes thousands of protesters demanding that he show himself, assaulting police, threatening Trump supporters and even lunging at passersby. This behavior persisted through his presidency.
Not a single Democrat denounced this political violence and destruction. Since then, hundreds of police have been injured and many killed by BLM supporters, like this assailant. Dozens of people wearing MAGA memorabilia have been pulled from cars and beaten, attacked on public streets, or chased with threats of imminent violence.
That is political violence, and Democrats reacted by exploiting it, as Obama shockingly did at the funeral of several politically assassinated police officers. To blame the terrible actions of this criminal on Trump supporters is not, unfortunately, deranged: it is intentional, coordinated, and fascistic. You are the only person here trying to weaponize words. If you project any harder, you will end up with your bowels flying out of your snout.
'Nothing was "alleged." Police entered the Pelosi condo...'
It's not a condo, it's a fucking Pacific Heights mansion...
gadfly showed his contempt for american law, when he said..
Nothing was "alleged."
So, gadfly thinks it's Guilty unless proven innocent.
here's a Fun Thing
If(when) an Arab dude shoots up a church, screaming "Allahu Akbar!"..
cops say, they're Never be able to figure out what his motivation was.
If a black guy murders a white couple, screaming "death to whitey!"..
cops say, they're Never be able to figure out what his motivation was.
BUT! if an insane drug addict nudist (from berkley) attacks Nancy Pelosi's house..
cops say, they KNOW what His motivation was (and gadfly screams Nothing was "alleged." ).
Once again I’m sure we can all agree the lunatics who say things that resemble our politics have nothing whatsoever to do with us, while the lunatics who say things that resemble the other side’s politics are conclusive proof of the other side’s depravity.
Ha! I was about to post the Shellenberger article on the post from this morning. One thing I really appreciate about Shellenberger is that he went out and talked to people instead of doing a cursory blog search.
Ha! I was about to post the Shellenberger article on the post from this morning. One thing I really appreciate about Shellenberger is that he went out and talked to people instead of doing a cursory blog search.
Facts at this point, as thin as they are, describe an addict with mental health issues, or vice-a-versa. (Chicken or egg?).
The left is haplessly forced to invent a narrative going into the elections. Assigning motive to a person all agree is unstable, is a fools errand. Just the ticket for today's Democrat Party
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Police entered the Pelosi condo in 'Frisco and found intruder David DePape striking octogenarian Paul Pelosi with a hammer, which required emergency surgery. The 911 operator overheard DePape demanding "Where is Nancy?"
Gadfly busy spreading the approved narrative.
Get back to me when you have evidence. Release the 911 call, and the body camera's. Until then it is nothing but a story told by the Speaker of the House. A person showing definite signs of delusions herself. Declaring Democrats will hold onto control of the House!
gafly announces a new leftwing policy.
If someone in San Francisco (only morons say 'Frisco) commits a crime - that crime applies to other people who had nothing to do with it. Because said so, and reasons.
Can’t wait to see what bodycam footage reveals.
Joe Smith said...
'Nothing was "alleged." Police entered the Pelosi condo...'
It's not a condo, it's a fucking Pacific Heights mansion...
No Joe, it's a condo that occupies the 3rd floor of this building in the Pacific Heights neighborhood. Note the cop standing guard outside after the incident.
Hmm. Politico just posted an article, with a first-page photo of one corner of the Pelosi house. I notice that video cameras are a prominent feature.
The facts about this event are bizarre and it makes me very suspicious that the story that is being pushed right now is not accurate. It baffles me that apparently there was an "unknown" person on the property that let in the police, it not being clear if it was one of the two persons or a third person. If there was a third person, what exactly was that person doing? It baffles me that the husband of the Speaker of the House would have such lax security - in a crime riddled city, no less! - that someone could legitimately break into the property successfully and then manage to stay there for some time without anyone noticing. Both Pelosis would be valid targets for both terrorists of many stripes, not to mention the mentally unstable, of which the Bay Area has in large quantities. It also baffles me that it would require the police to intervene as opposed to the Secret Service or private guards.
I mean I suppose it is possible that a mentally unstable, drug addled weirdo managed to successfully penetrate the security of the home of one of the most powerful persons in the country like this was Mission: Impossible, but it would not be my first guess.
The fact that the usual suspects are making their usual bad faith and hypocritical politically motivated accusations makes it seem that the story they are pushing is not accurate either. Liars lie.
2640 Broadway St, San Francisco, CA is a single family home that contains 3,332 sq ft and was built in 1938. It contains 4 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms. https://www.velvetropes.com/celebrity-homes/celebrity-house-1420/photos
Nancy Pelosi has a condo in DC.
Their San Francisco home is a single family mansion in Pacific Heights.
They also own a winery in Napa. Not bad for Insider traders!!!
https://www.velvetropes.com/celebrity-homes/celebrity-house-1420/photos
The "Story" gets weirder and stranger and...
What kind of home invasion includes bathroom breaks??
Prole- that's nice - but we are all trying to figure out the truth here.
'No Joe, it's a condo that occupies the 3rd floor of this building in the Pacific Heights neighborhood. Note the cop standing guard outside after the incident.'
Then how does one get inside by breaking a window on the FIRST FLOOR?
It appears to be a single-family home.
She has a condo in DC...
"A growing number of Democrats are openly blaming Republicans for failing to rein in a rise in violent rhetoric in the wake of an assault on Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband, who survived with serious injuries.
“A far right white nationalist tried to assassinate the Speaker of the House and almost killed her husband a year after violent insurrectionists tried to find her and kill her in the Capitol,” Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said on Saturday morning. “And the Republican Party’s response is to either ignore it
wow hes a white nationalist now.
It's a house purchased for $2.25 Million in 2007.
3,332 sq ft, built in 1938, brownstone. 4BR, 3 Bath.
https://www.velvetropes.com/backstage/nancy-pelosi-house
More on her real estate holdings:
https://trendingpolitics.com/nancy-pelosis-massive-real-estate-holdings-exposed/
How do you people not know that the guy was Pelosi's date. He didn't get in, he was let in.
Is it really on the third floor, Gadfly?
Because if it is, it would seem to be far more likely that the alleged (heh) assailant
was there by invitation. No?
Static Ping said...
I mean I suppose it is possible that a mentally unstable, drug addled weirdo managed to successfully penetrate the security of the home of one of the most powerful persons in the country.. but it would not be my first guess.
well she's Only the third most powerful person IN THE WORLD.. Oh Wait! that kinda shows Your point :)
speaking of 'third most powerful person, IN THE WORLD'...
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Conspiratorialist "free-floating paranoia" is a theme in contemporary literature. The search for hidden connections and meanings that inspires the zanies, also inspires novelists who don't want reality to be as bare and meaningless as it may appear. I wasn't that impressed with what I've seen of Thomas Pynchon, Umberto Eco, Don DeLillo or David Foster Wallace, but conspiracy theories and a kind of paranoia are said to run through their works. Same thing with Philip K. Dick, who I'm told wasn't a great prose stylist, but was remarkably inventive - and also, it's said, literally and clinically paranoid for much of his life.
I don't know much about "gamergate" but it looks like it could be an early response to the sort of wokeness that gets forced on films, television, and comic books. There's going to be conflict about such things. Which tactics are permissible to change a culture and which tactics are permissible in resisting changes that many see as forced or imposed on a medium?
Harvey Milk, the "Mayor of the Castro" had been a Goldwater supporter and volunteer. So had AIDS journalist Randy Shilts. Whether or not sexuality is fluid, politics are.
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Whether it’s liberals interrupting Brett Kavanaugh‘s meal with a chant, or conservatives interrupting Paul Pelosi‘s evening with a hammer blow to the head, both sides have a problem respecting the privacy of public figures.
That phrase is January 6 all over again. Do we simply let a thousand attackers at the Capitol off the hook by declaring them weirdos and druggies, even when the description fits?
Liar gadfly imitates his hero, 5$ a gallon on Jan 20, 2021 Joe.
Alleged is for juries. The fucking nutbar was caught in fragrante dilecto red handed with the smoking gun.
Maxwell Edison, majoring in medicine
Calls her on the phone
"Can I take you out to the pictures, Joa-o-o-oan?"
But as she's getting ready to go
A knock comes on the door
Come on. We all know what this is. We can pretend we don't for a little while.
Prof, based on the available information at this time, I doubt there is a political narrative that accurately explains this event.
Instead, back in the days when I was an ER doc in Oakland CA, our working "narrative" would have simply been "Here's another crazy guy made crazier by drugs."
Demanding public tolerance for the behavior caused by the toxic combination of psychosis and street drugs is just one of modern California's many contributions to western civilization...
I think likely the incident simply can't be explained during an election which is turning to some extent on unchecked crime and rampant drug abuse in places like San Francisco. It's another "Hunter's Laptop" story that has to be hidden till after the election because it says too much about problems with a Dem policy.
Maybe a THC-addled man of the type they're used to in San Francisco broke in looking for Nancy Pelosi because he wanted to explain his troubles to a sympathetic person in a position of power, i.e., to a Democratic politician. Well, I said he was a THC-addled. Then Paul Pelosi tried to keep Mr. THC calm while he himself called the police. But now, remember, according to the Dems when someone afflicted by a THC mental breakdown breaks into your house and storms about, you should not call the police. But Mr. Pelosi did call them. Meanwhile Mr. THC snaps because Nancy doesn't show up and Mr. THC is not the kind to understand that the House Speaker is not even in San Francisco, let alone in that that house. He starts hitting poor Mr. Pelosi and it's no longer political theatre, it's a clear and present danger. The police come and save Mr. Pelosi. Good. But - "the police save?" No, the Dems can't say "the police save husband of House Speaker from one of the types roaming the streets under Dem policies." My God , the narrative. Maybe it was like that or maybe it was some other way. But whatever way it was the story has to be secret till after the election. If only that could sink in.
No lie, as a newlywed living in our first apartment in Boston, in a very sketchy neighborhood, a guy who lived downstairs attacked an elderly lady living across the hall from him with a hammer, robbed her, "hid" the hammer under the rug in the hallway, and ran away. He was caught because he apparently just ran around the block and then ran in front of the building again, with his hands covered in blood, where the police grabbed him "red-handed."
A hammer is not the weapon of choice of rational criminals.
Recall when the media cared so deeply about the shooting and beating of Steve Scalise and Rand Paul?
ooo wait... Nope.
burp
for gadfly
May as well jump in and add to confusion:
"The websites reportedly connected to Paul Pelosi’s “friend” in his underwear are totally fake. They were created on Friday and deleted on Saturday and the only activity in them was over the past few days. "
The guy was an activist nut case - what if he wasn't trying to kill anyone, but just wanting to "talk to Nancy" about all his activist causes - and Paul reasonable felt threatened. No info or background on animosity towards Nancy that I've seen, he just kept saying
"where's Nancy". Who's hammer was it ? Did Paul grab it first to defend against a nutcase ? 42 yr old vs 80+ yr old in a confrontation involving a hammer - pretty reasonable that the 42 yr old would get control of the hammer. Just California at it's finest.
RG Quinn writes on Substack about the new and unimpeded Twitter:
Foaming-at-the-mouth declarations have descended into a mad melee of unsound speculation. Take the atrocious attack on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband. Official media has placed the blame squarely on the intruder, a far-right MAGA terrorist bent on slaughtering the Speaker herself. Now that Twitter’s moderators have been silenced, conspiracy peddlers are free to traffic the most absurd theories.
So what if security for one of the most powerful people in Washington was easily penetrated by a homeless addict. What’s curious about that? Yes, both individuals were found in their underwear. Again, so what? It was bedtime. The existence of two hammers? Homophobes are cackling it was a Grindr moment gone wrong (alluding to the delicious LGBTQ2SIA+ practice of introducing various objects into one’s rectum apart from a throbbing penis, though that’s also wonderful), the alleged attacker a known member of an aggressive nudist organization. Other far-right white nationalist extremists are pushing back against the trusted media assertion David DePape was one of theirs, saying he lived in a bus plastered with BLM and Pride flags, and that he associated with local hippies, details which poison the preferred narrative.
Was marijuana involved? What of it? It’s legal. Perhaps the pre-battered Paul offered the proto-burglar a toke to calm him down, to assuage his fascist rage. In any case, this is an object lesson in why unfettered access to the public domain must be swiftly curtailed by the authorities. You can’t have un-vetted voices spreading dangerous misinformation about important personages. The idea an 82-year-old billionaire is a closeted queer in 2022 is absurd. If Paul liked dookie on the noodle, liked to swallow dong, we’d know about it. He’d be only too proud to bare his true sexual identity before his fellow Americans. We aggressively homosexual progressives dare to share our nocturnal doings without fear of public censure, the lash, or the rod. Good times.
boatbuilder said...
Is it really on the third floor, Gadfly?
Because if it is, it would seem to be far more likely that the alleged (heh) assailant was there by invitation. No?
Use Google, bb, the Pelosi residence is on the 3rd floor (which would make walking in through a back door difficult also), but you can read my newest post about the wild speculations from weirdo harassers appearing on new Twitter.
If building security measures failed, perhaps the old man forgot to set locks or guards left a door open. All I know for sure is that if Nancy was present, her Secret Service officers would also be there but Dodo DePape is obviously a dumbass.
Nancy Pelosi created a world where these things happen. Zero sympathy. The great thing about the Democrats is that its irrelevant what her Husband or Nancy do or say on a personal level. They're just cogs in the massive Democrat National Tammney Hall poltical machine. If you get rid of them, two more D pols who believe and act in the EXACTLY the same way will take their place.
The Democrats are an army of NPC's.
Pelosi's husband got arrested for DUI. Now, so he let some oddball, someone with drug problems, into his zillion dollar condo (with multiple layers of security), And the man attacked him.
My first thought was, its a Gay sex thing, but then realized the man is 100 years old. So, it could be just general Democrat Pol weirdness. So many of them are are sexual or emotional oddball of one kind or another. How many normal, aveage, go-to-church-on-Sunday types are Democrat Pols?
The best way of thinking about the USA in 2022, is weimar germany with computers. And no Nazi Party.
---Prole- that's nice - but we are all trying to figure out the truth here.
No, Prole knows better. He knows you have a problem. Only he is above it all.
From the post:
"I am utterly neutral on DePape. I don't need him to fit one narrative of the other. So I will continue to watch and post/comment when I think it might be helpful."
You're not a trier of fact, so that makes sense; but the most helpful thing would be to analyze facts as they come in and share them. I think that's your aim.
this lawyer tweeted..
My firm served a lawsuit against Paul Pelosi one time in SF after attempting to serve at other residences—Napa, Georgetown. They weren’t home, but staff were, & multiple law enforcement officers were on the perimeter. Break-in is odd given this level of security.
any comments, gadfly? Any? Any at All?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-attacker-david-depapes-ex-says-mentally-ill-once-came-home-thinking-jesus-report
"Hello this is Gypsy Taub. I am the ex-life partner of David DePape and the mother of his children," Oxane Taub told the outlet."He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time," she added, saying she had two sons with the man before splitting up seven years ago.
Taub went on to detail one incident when DePape reportedly came home after disappearing for almost a year out of the blue.
"He came back in very bad shape. He thought he was Jesus. He was constantly paranoid, thinking people were after him. And it took a good year or two to get back to, you know, being halfway normal," Taub told the outlet.
Pressed about DePape's political leanings, Taub said he had never been particularly involved.
Gadfly--impervious to satire. Who knew?
'Use Google, bb, the Pelosi residence is on the 3rd floor (which would make walking in through a back door difficult also), but you can read my newest post about the wild speculations from weirdo harassers appearing on new Twitter.'
It is a single-family home.
To think that Nancy Pelosi would share a home with other families is delusional and a huge security risk.
I'm not going to doxx Nancy's residence, but it's easy to find the house using the internet machine, Redfin, and/or Zillow...
Whether it’s liberals interrupting Brett Kavanaugh‘s meal with a chant, or conservatives interrupting Paul Pelosi‘s evening with a hammer blow to the head, both sides have a problem respecting the privacy of public figures.
One, Paul Pelosi isn't a public figure. In fact, I doubt many people knew who he was before getting pulled over for DUI.
Second, one of your fellow, leftist assholes wanted to assassinate Kavanaugh and two other, conservative justices. Just a bit different than what you describe.
But you knew that.
jim at said...
"One, Paul Pelosi isn't a public figure."
"Public figure : a famous person who is often written about in newspapers and magazines or is often on television or the radio"
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/public-figure
I guess when Jim was matriculating at Trump University, they didn't teach him the difference between a "public figure" and a "public official"
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