Althouse: At the Sunrise Café...

October 2, 2022

At the Sunrise Café...

... you can talk about whatever you want.

57 comments:

Lem Vibe Bandit said...: I get the feeling we are going to prove Klaus Schwab right, when he says, "we won't own anything, and we'll be happy."

Link to reddit facepalm video

Are we as attached to things as I once imagined? I'm just commenting on a hunch.; 10/2/22, 7:11 PM
farmgirl said...: Mmmmm.
A champagne sunrise…

The NEK is close to peak color. I’m am thankful to live here.
I’m also grateful for my apple tree and sunsets!; 10/2/22, 7:14 PM
Oh Yea said...: Sounds like the Ukrainians are taking back some more big chunks of the land Putin just annexed, both in the east and south. Expect more news after dawn. It's 3:15 AM over there now.; 10/2/22, 7:14 PM
Jupiter said...: I want to talk about Hemingway's novel, The Sun Also Rises. Or more precisely, about its title. Simply as an English-language assertion, it seems to have two possible meanings;

1 The Sun sets. But the Sun also rises.
2 The Moon rises. And the Sun also rises.

That is, "also" could refer to the subject or the object.

My reading has always been the first. But I don't really see what it has to do with Hemingway's novel. Given the thoroughly depressing arc of the story, it might be taken as a caution; This tale is one long setting of the Sun. But the Sun also rises, you know. Just not here, on these dismal pages. So don't read this silly book, unless you want to wallow in deliciously romantic and glamorous self-pity with me.; 10/2/22, 7:19 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Something way stronger than a mere hunch is what the woman on this video calls an "epistemological shock". It describes what people experience when they realize their world view was wrong.

Video clip of a conversation with Professor Dr. Diana Walsh Pasulka about her book.

From the YouTube description: Diana has a B.A. from University of California, Davis, an M.A. from Graduate Theological Union, Berkeley, and a Ph.D. from Syracuse University.

Her research focuses on religion and technology. Her books include Heaven Can Wait: Purgatory in Catholic Devotional and Popular Culture, a book about Purgatory after 1300, from 2014

And the more recent and very successful
American Cosmic: UFOs, Religion, Technology in 2017

American Cosmic
“More than half of American adults and more than seventy-five percent of young Americans believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life. This level of belief rivals that of belief in God. American Cosmic examines the mechanisms at work behind the thriving belief system in extraterrestrial life, a system that is changing and even supplanting traditional religions.”; 10/2/22, 7:30 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Donna Brazile on Fox News Sunday: Supreme Court legitimacy 'on the line,' no telling what 'damage they'll do to democracy'.

Link to story

No one is immune from the Democrats 'insurrectionist' rhetoric, not even the Supremes.; 10/2/22, 7:33 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: BTW. The Oops glitch is back.; 10/2/22, 7:33 PM
Howard said...: Ecclesiastes 1:5-11
5 The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, And hastens to the place where it arose.
6 The wind goes toward the south, And turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, And comes again on its circuit.
7 All the rivers run into the sea, Yet the sea is not full; To the place from which the rivers come, There they return again.
8 All things are full of labor; Man cannot express it. The eye is not satisfied with seeing, Nor the ear filled with hearing.
9 That which has been is what will be, That which is done is what will be done, And there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which it may be said, "See, this is new"? It has already been in ancient times before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things, Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come By those who will come after.; 10/2/22, 7:34 PM
narciso said...: Well im guessing it was related to the lost generations, dealing with the trauma of war; 10/2/22, 7:47 PM
Narr said...: " . . . . unless you want to wallow in deliciously romantic and glamorous self-pity with me."

Maybe during halftime.; 10/2/22, 7:50 PM
Narr said...: Speaking of Papa Hemingway, I've never really been a fan, but he wrote something that has stuck with me (paraphrased): No matter how justified or how necessary, war is always a crime.; 10/2/22, 7:53 PM
NorthOfTheOneOhOne aka Doug Emhoff's Pimp Hand said...: Not seeing much in the media about DeSantis' handling of the Ian aftermath. That means he must be doing a bang up job!; 10/2/22, 8:26 PM
Original Mike said...: Fall colors have been blossomed the last couple of days Up North. Beautiful.; 10/2/22, 8:48 PM
walter said...: Nice water..for Howie to swim in!
While waiting, contemplate his comforting words.
Good guys in charge. All going swimmingly!
Semper Fudd!; 10/2/22, 8:50 PM
Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves said...: Don't steal my sunshine.; 10/2/22, 8:51 PM
narciso said...: Well sherman said war is hell and eisenhower said it was at best a necessary evil; 10/2/22, 8:52 PM
narciso said...: The american experience was relatively short those that served in allied lines before 1917 faced more; 10/2/22, 8:55 PM
Carol said...: Ecclesiastes was a hoot wasn't he; 10/2/22, 8:57 PM
Dave Begley said...: Badger head football coach fired! Yeow!; 10/2/22, 8:58 PM
JRoberts said...: Lem, Donna Brazil was on ABC on Sunday morning, not Fox.

I’ve got to believe Shannon Bream (whom I greatly respect) wouldn’t allow Brazile to make such a comment unchallenged; 10/2/22, 8:59 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Lex Fridman podcast is top gun right now.; 10/2/22, 9:05 PM
Baceseras said...: Was it Churchill who said, "War is not only a crime, it is also the punishment for a crime."; 10/2/22, 9:07 PM
Bob Boyd said...: What doesn’t fit your ass and doesn’t buzz?

A Russian ass buzzer.; 10/2/22, 9:12 PM
Curious George said...: "NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...
Not seeing much in the media about DeSantis' handling of the Ian aftermath. That means he must be doing a bang up job!"

Or the Democrats intentionally tried to hang him out to dry and they they will look bad. I'll bet the latter. They don't care about anything but their cause. They would put crippled children through a wood chipper if it meant they would have any gain.; 10/2/22, 9:15 PM
Narr said...: I'll be up for a while, and once again the Prof will be my eyes on sunrise skies.

NorthOTOOO observes the quiet about DeSantis after Ian, and talks about a bang up job . . . it will take a few cycles for the main line of critique to emerge and be distributed to the apparat, but you can be sure it's coming.

In my family "You're doing a heckuva job, Brownie" became an ironic catchphrase after Katrina.; 10/2/22, 9:24 PM
Lem Vibe Bandit said...: Thanks JR.; 10/2/22, 9:27 PM
chuck said...: No matter how justified or how necessary, war is always a crime.

Well, Hemingway. He was a bit of a chest thumping fraud and all round asshole. Wrote some good books though. Dos Passos parted ways with him because Hemingway thought it no big deal that Dos Passos friend José Robles was murdered by the Communists.

I enjoyed The Hemingway Hoax by Joe Haldeman. There some great Hemingway pastiches out there.; 10/2/22, 9:28 PM
h said...: A question about declassification of documents. Suppose a US President is in a face-to-face meeting with the leader of another country X. The other leader asks the President, what is your government's estimate of (say) a third country's military power (or some other type of question). The President then shares with country X leader a memo summarizing US intelligence, which has been classified. The President does this to foster an atmosphere of cooperation, and because the President believes that sharing of this information will lead to an agreement which is in the national interest. Has the President in this situation committed a crime? If not, how does this differ from Trump's claim that he can declassify material without a "process"?; 10/2/22, 9:38 PM
narciso said...: Hugo chavez let 50,000 venezuelas die in the flood of 2000 and yet he was still q hero to sean red penn; 10/2/22, 9:39 PM
Lurker21 said...: The "also" may not be in the original. It isn't in more modern translations. Ecclesiastes reflected the interwar disillusionment and feeling of malaise. The sun rises and falls every day and "there is nothing new under the sun." It's not Annie -- "the sun'll come out tomorrow, tomorrow." It's bleaker than that. And -- I don't know if this is true or not -- but "rising" and "not rising" have something to do with the Jake, the protagonist's, war wound.; 10/2/22, 10:34 PM
Richard Dillman said...: About “the Sun Also Rise.” Some readers and critics see a sexual pun in the title related to the narrator’s impotence. I’ m not arguing for this
reading, but it is common.; 10/3/22, 12:02 AM
gadfly said...: So the word is out that those who became infected with the Sars-CoV-2 virus are susceptible to developing the cardiac condition called Atrial Fibrillation (A-Fib), an irregular heartbeat that can kill you unless treated with drugs such as Eliquis along with Coreg. Heavy users of NSAIDs for pain relief need to understand that these common drugs can also bring about chronic A-Fib conditions.

Never too late for those Covid-19 vaccines, folks!

atrial; 10/3/22, 12:37 AM
Gospace said...: h said...
A question about declassification of documents. Suppose a US President is in a face-to-face meeting with the leader of another country X....

That has already been endlessly discussed. POTUS can do just that. Unless Congress considers it an impeachable offense and the Senate convicts, well, it's done.; 10/3/22, 12:51 AM
Narayanan said...: (paraphrased): No matter how justified or how necessary, war is always a crime.
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great opportunity for criminals then! to flaunt = flourish and get rich; 10/3/22, 3:12 AM
Howard said...: Good morning to all my fans. I apologize for not responding to each and every one of you.

The coffee tastes especially good when you get up at zero Dark Thirty for a bit of PT with a team of aging dedicated athletes. Wearing a Speedo around fit women is ample motivation to maintain a lean and mean profile. All combined with a whole food omnivoric diet is the best natural source of high free testosterone.

Maybe if some of you people who are obviously struggling with the Sturm UND Drang of modern life would study the above quote from Ecclesiastes, your panic over the massive social media disinformation campaign would be easier knowing that human beings have always struggled with the nature of our bullshit universe.

"You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake. You are the same decaying organic matter as everyone, and we are all part of the same compost pile," Palahniuk; 10/3/22, 3:59 AM
Andrew said...: Ain't no sunshine when she's gone.

Here comes the sun, do do do doo.; 10/3/22, 4:17 AM
wendybar said...: As Nancy "misspoke", https://youtu.be/Q_wsWqR8Ag8 Iran Parliament is chanting "DEATH TO AMERICA" again. Good thing Joe and his party want to give them billions of our money to kill us!!! https://twitter.com/i/status/1576541998714322946; 10/3/22, 5:23 AM
tim in vermont said...: So, if I understand it correctly, the Rooskies have a nuclear torpedo that, in extremis, they would use to nuke a cliff undersea near the Canary Islands, which, were it to collapse, would generate a massive tsunami that could wipe out cities from Miami to Boston with a flood of radioactive seawater. But don’t worry, they will meekly accept defeat, and the control of ethnic Russian regions that Stalin lumped in with the Ukraine, and cutting Russia off from the Black Sea is worth the risk, only a pussy thinks otherwise.

Send more weapons!; 10/3/22, 5:51 AM
Michael McNeil said...: “War is waged my men; not by beasts, or by gods. It is a peculiarly human activity. To call it a crime against mankind is to miss at least half of its significance; it is also the punishment of a crime. That raises a moral question, the kind of problem with which this age is disinclined to deal. Perhaps some future attempt to provide a solution for it may prove to be even more astonishing than the last.”

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Frederic Manning, Her Privates We, by Private 19022, 1930; 10/3/22, 5:51 AM
wendybar said...: "George Soros with his Open Society money plus the Chicago Marxist contingency of Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Penny Pritzker, and Barack Obama are five people I'm inclined to group as the Biden puppet masters."

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/10/does_it_matter_which_megalomaniac_is_behind_the_curtain.html; 10/3/22, 6:05 AM
wendybar said...: All corruption, all the time. The Progressive FBI are good at SOMETHING!!! https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/the_seth_rich_case_the_fbis_other_laptop_scandal.html; 10/3/22, 6:11 AM
wendybar said...: THIS!!!

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/a_commie_coalition_of_racists_butchers_liars_and_ghouls.html; 10/3/22, 6:14 AM
jaydub said...: "So, if I understand it correctly, the Rooskies have a nuclear torpedo..."

Tell me, Tim, is there any Russian bullshit that is posted on the internet, anywhere, that you will not accept as gospel and repost here? Does this new propaganda effort mean you've moved on from the US being responsible for the Nordstream pipeline damage? Or the nefarious USN ASW flights over the Baltic, which, by the way have only been occurring since Christ was a recruit?

You've got to be the most gullible dude to reside in Vermont since Bernie got back from his honeymoon in Moscow.; 10/3/22, 6:23 AM
gilbar said...: that old stripper died https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/activist-sacheen-littlefeather-delivered-marlon-brandos-oscar-boycott-speech-dies-75; 10/3/22, 7:04 AM
Lurker21 said...: Her Privates We. That was also considered a sexual pun (originally Shakespeare's), so the title was changed to The Middle Parts of Fortune: Somme & Ancre, 1916. The book was praised by T.S. Eliot and Ezra Pound, by T.E. Lawrence of Arabia and Ernest Hemingway. I heard the audiobook. It wasn't at all bad, but while the book was praised for its honesty and daring bluntness in its day, it seemed to me to be a little too British and controlled, too much the clenched teeth and clipped diction of civilized Britons.

But that was what a realistic novel of the day about officers in the Great War would be. The touches that would make a fiction more "real" to us, often aren't things that would be regarded as "authentic" by the people who actually experienced the war. Manning himself was an Australian of Irish ancestry, but he'd spent time in England and was himself a very private, self-contained man. The book was also true to the experience of war, and of that war in particular, in that waiting for something to happen was more common than moments of real action.; 10/3/22, 7:08 AM
Lurker21 said...: I have Rutherford Falls, an Ed Helms comedy series. It's watchable but far from great. Way too much talk about "whiteness" -- in this case mostly contrasted with native/indigenous Red Americanness, and in a way that feels a little too forced. There is also a non-binary performer playing what I assume to be a non-binary character. The experience is a little confusing and disorienting at first, but eventually you realize that you are watching a very effeminate young man. Is being that way really "non-binary," or is it getting too fatally entangled in the established binaries?

If you want to avoid using new pronouns or making mistakes with the old ones, you can treat people as phenomena, or in terms of your experience of them, rather than as distinct and material beings. A new way of looking at the world, or solipsism, or a return to Kant?; 10/3/22, 7:21 AM
Kai Akker said...: Re The Sun Also Rises..... The Ecclesiastes reference suggests to me that mood of disillusionment and the painful thought of the ultimate uselessness of human lives. A strange theme for the Bible, it has always seemed to me, but its order puts it immediately after Proverbs and before The Song of Solomon, which makes for quite a threesome.

Published in 1926, the novel does capture postwar disillusionment and the sense of pointlessness. And a lot of self-pity, as you say, Jupiter. Here is an account I had just happened to read this morning of the prevailing atmosphere and literary attitudes of the day:

"This was the time when rhetoric, and indeed eloquence, were held up to obloquy as camouflage for literary and moral Pecksniffs, unscrupulous charlatans who corrupted artistic taste and discredited the cause of truth and reason, and at their worst incited to evil and led a credulous world to disaster." --Isaiah Berlin

Hemingway was a walking embodiment of such a mood, with his stripped-down style and dislike of rhetorical devices like symbolism. But his own horrible psychology makes him hard to read, for me. Sun and A Farewell to Arms are the only two novels of his I like at all. The stories are better, to me.

It is a great title. That generation may have been the last one in American writing to take the Bible seriously and value its reference. Think of all their Biblical titles. Absalom, Absalom, East of Eden, Pale Horse, Pale Rider. Hemingway's own The Garden of Eden. We don't seem to see these references as much anymore, and I suspect most American book buyers wouldn't get many of them if they did. Could be wrong; but throw in the related high-literature title references, from Shakespeare, John Donne, etc., and there was a whole dimension of literature that recent fashion seems to me to have missed out on.; 10/3/22, 7:54 AM
Robert Cook said...: “More than half of American adults and more than seventy-five percent of young Americans believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life. This level of belief rivals that of belief in God. American Cosmic examines the mechanisms at work behind the thriving belief system in extraterrestrial life, a system that is changing and even supplanting traditional religions.”

The mechanisms at work behind the belief in extraterrestrial life are: it is plausible, which cannot be said for the existence of a god; there is more evidence of visitations to earth of alien beings than of any manifestations of god, (notwithstanding that the evidence of visitations by alien beings is uncertain, based mostly on sightings of ambiguous lights and other phenomena in the sky, etc., but made somewhat more credible by recent statements by the government that some of the phenomena cannot be explained by any other explanations at this time); and many people including military personnel and commercial air pilots, have observed ufos and have deemed them as "not of this earth," and radar tracking has often confirmed the presence of objects corresponding to sightings from the ground or by pilots in the air.; 10/3/22, 8:31 AM
Michael K said...: So the word is out that those who became infected with the Sars-CoV-2 virus are susceptible to developing the cardiac condition called Atrial Fibrillation (A-Fib),

More baloney from gadfly. How about a link ? We do know that the "vaccine" causes myocarditis, especially in athletic young men. We don't yet know what may occur later in children molested with the "vaccine." Atrial fib is caused by irritability around the pulmonary veins going into the left atrium.

There is one paper on Pubmed on the association. It says:

However, studies of the relationship between infectivity and severe complications of coronavirus infectious disease‐19 (COVID‐19) with a history of AF are limited. To estimate infectivity and severity of complications in COVID‐19 patients with a history of AF, this study was done.

The study was of people who had AF already, dummy.; 10/3/22, 9:20 AM
Drago said...: Howard: "Maybe if some of you people who are obviously struggling with the Sturm UND Drang of modern life would study the above quote from Ecclesiastes,...."

You must have forgotten on which blog you were posting the Bible quote. You have already fully established yourself as a hater of Christians and Christian beliefs and a supporter of the islamic supremacists.

It's too late now to pull one of your patented gaslighting "180 degree position reverso" ploys.

Better luck next time.

BTW, congratulations on the coming Biden Iran deal which will greatly enrich the mad mullahs of Tehran as well as Putin! (and the ChiComs, naturally)

In fact, the deal details place Putin in a position of honor as the person responsible for.....wait for it....wait for it.....enforcing America's provisions! Yes, you read that correctly. And all while making Putin billions!

And that's on top of the energy deal Biden is cutting with Lebanon that will reward Hezbollah! Which makes sense, since the mad mullahs of Iran are the biggest backers of Hezbollah so it goes without saying Biden and his Army of NPC New Soviet Democraticals, such as yourself, would be quite pleased.

Of course, the reality is with the complete failure across the board of every single New Soviet Democratical policy and the crushing of the American people in every corner of the nation, it makes perfect sense that Howard has moved to a "hey, Don't Worry, Be Happy!" & "Let's Not Quibble About Who Killed Who" Monty Python narrative tactic, and that he is cynical enough to try and use a quote from a book he despises, the Bible, to disarm his political enemies.; 10/3/22, 9:33 AM
Drago said...: Michael K: "More baloney from gadfly. How about a link?"

Gadfly does not post links.

Gadfly finds articles that he/she/xe can't begin to comprehend, cuts and pastes what he/she/xe believes is cool info into his blog posts without attribution and then pretends this is just simple info of which he alone is aware.

Gadfly and Inga are the biggest purveyors of this tactic of pretending to know things they don't though in Inga's case at least she posts the link. She has no idea what the content at her links actually mean which often leads to hilarious debunkings where other readers will peruse the link and find the content literally negates Inga's "points".; 10/3/22, 9:38 AM
Václav Patrik Šulik said...: Amazing story Paul McCartney and his Freakish Memory; 10/3/22, 11:01 AM
Gospace said...: wendybar said...
All corruption, all the time. The Progressive FBI are good at SOMETHING!!! https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/10/the_seth_rich_case_the_fbis_other_laptop_scandal.html

3 laptops- What's on Anthony Weiner's laptops?

Funny how with not one, not tow, but THREE laptops in the FBIs custody potentally (in other words they have) containing information demaging to Democrats, no action has been taken and the DoJ seems completely uninterested in examiining them.

Seems they still haven't found any laptops carried around by Repblicans or Republican operatives that have been lost that contain damaging information. Especially none with information about Trump. How do we know this? No complete information dumps of the contents and not even a leak about their existence.; 10/3/22, 11:33 AM
Original Mike said...: gadfly has not noticed, apparently, that even the medical community now says the vaccines will not keep you from catching covid. "Reduced symptoms" is as far as they'll go.; 10/3/22, 12:01 PM
wendybar said...: So, once again, the administration is lying to the American people, and using OUR money to fly and bus illegals all over the country, whilst Democrat Mayors blame Republicans for Joe Bidens mess. Luckily, we can read it in Foreign papers because the Propagandists in America won't report it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11266801/Democrats-bus-thousands-migrants-northern-cities-quietly.html; 10/3/22, 3:24 PM
Rusty said...: The odds of the existence of either , comrade Bob, is extremely small. But never zero.
One would think, with the prevalence of I-phones that there would be some pretty good pictures of UFOs. Alas. The fakes haven't yet caught up with the technology.; 10/3/22, 3:26 PM
Rusty said...: The odds of the existence of either , comrade Bob, is extremely small. But never zero.
One would think, with the prevalence of I-phones that there would be some pretty good pictures of UFOs. Alas. The fakes haven't yet caught up with the technology.; 10/3/22, 3:26 PM