September 30, 2022

"Can you imagine Jared and his skinny ass camping? It’d be like something out of 'Deliverance.'"

Said Donald Trump, who proceeded to imitate the "Deliverance" the banjo music, quoted in "Donald Trump Belittled Jared Kushner In Front Of Aides With ‘Deliverance' Jibe: Book/It was one of a series of disparaging comments the then-president made about his son-in-law, according to New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman" (HuffPo). 

The topic was a proposed RV camping trip for Jared and Ivanka, and we're told that Jared was in the room. I can't tell how "belittling" the remark was without understanding the larger context. Did Jared mock Trump too? What's their relationship? Did both men laugh about remarks about skinniness and fatness? Was Trump also self-deprecating, saying, perhaps, he'd never go camping — and he's afraid of rapists?

Who knows? The remark belongs somewhere on a continuum between just plain nasty and the funniest thing ever, or I guess that's more of a matrix than a continuum.

Anyway, Haberman was choosing how to present the nuggets she gathered, and I wouldn't trust her to recreate the real feelings of the human beings involved. 

And this anecdote does present the old problem of not taking the rape seriously when the victim is male.

117 comments:

Leland said...

Maggie needs a new pair of shoes. What to do, what to do? I know, invoke the name "Trump" and sell it!

Trump resides in their mind so much, he's now the boring one to the rest of us. I'm for boring.

Enigma said...

NYT reporter ... Maggie is presumably female and presumably not transgender.

Trump was often criticized because he speaks like men speak in locker rooms. This is no surprise to anyone who lived through teenage years in locker rooms with other biological boys. Women often hated Trump because he didn't clean up his language for a mixed audience, but male trash talk is nothing new. It's often for posturing or empty, and used to set the Alpha Male pecking order. Trump was surely the Alpha Male in his clan.

Women should hear how males discuss breast and penis size...

Heartless Aztec said...

"You shure have a purty mouth."
A great written line from poet laureate James Dickey of Georgia.

These days the North Georgia mountains are for the rich fleeing the crime of Atlanta and the heat of Florida.

tim maguire said...

I could see Trump publicly belittling Kushner's job performance, but a petty jibe like this? No.

And while I can easily imagine certain people here snorting in derision at my insistence that that's not Trump's style, it is, nevertheless, not Trump's style. I would be very surprised if that's how it looked in context.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

It could just be more Haberman nastiness. After all, she's such a big fan of The Donald and everything Republican.

That last phrase could be taken out of context to prove that she is indeed a big fan.

Temujin said...

It would be the 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 time a male has made a joking reference to another male friend or acquaintance about becoming a role player in a reenactment from "Deliverance". And it would not be the first time people close to each other made light of their inability to be campers.

Especially those raised in upper middle class, who went to Harvard and NYU. Not exactly wild journey type people.

For the record, Maggie Haberman (grew up in NYC and went to Sarah Lawrence College) would fit that model as well.

Shouting Thomas said...

I was friends with Eric Weissberg, the guy who played the banjo solo in “Deliverance.” He died two or three years ago.

Eric was in my Tuesday night motorcycle riding and pizza dinner group, and he played regularly at the bluegrass jam session I attended in Woodstock that continued for decades until Covid shut it down.

Yes, I did joke with Eric about the rape scene. We never did talk about whether it was PC to do so.

Mike said...

How could you not trust Maggie Haberman? Sarc.

Eleanor said...

I think most people take male-on-male rape seriously. It had great shock value in Deliverance. People make jokes about men who claim to have been raped by women.

Bob Boyd said...

Did Jared have a skinny ass? I missed that somehow.
Guess I was reading Althouse when I should have been looking at Ass Sizes of the Rich and Famous.

michaele said...

When it comes to saying outright or insinuating disparaging things about Donald Trump, the media has a serious case of "I wish I knew how to quit you".

Jersey Fled said...

From her NYT bio:

Maggie Haberman is a White House correspondent who joined The New York Times in 2015 and was part of a team that won a Pulitzer Prize in 2018 for reporting on Donald Trump’s advisers and their connections to Russia.

This is all we need to know about Maggie.

R C Belaire said...

Some people don't understand male humor. Either one learns to take it and also dish it out, or else exit the game.

Sebastian said...

"I wouldn't trust her to recreate the real feelings of the human beings involved."

I appreciate the sentiment, but why waste time saying it? Be efficient: just assume you can't "trust" the MSM or any prog. Bonus: you'll be pleasantly surprised by the very occasional exception.

"And this anecdote does present the old problem of not taking the rape seriously when the victim is male."

Why is that a problem? It's useful. It derides male interests. It shows who's important in the culture. Under the toxic male supremacist patriarchy, are males even victims?

RideSpaceMountain said...

I'm going with funniest thing ever, partly because Kushner most definitely has a scrawny new York ass. How could one not imagine Jared striking up a conversation with others at a Texas RV park for instance, perhaps over salsa.

Jared: "Try this one bub, it's from New York City..."
RV denizens: "NEW YORK CITY!?!?"

The jokes write themselves.

Kevin said...

Almost two years in.

Still writing books about Trump.

Still no books about Biden.

BillieBob Thorton said...

Camping in a class A motor home is hardly roughing it and I can't imaging any Trump sleeping in a tent. They have every amenity you could think of, Big screen TV, queen size bed, kitchen, shower, toilet, heat, AC, plus more I'm sure.
And how are going to forget about Trump if they won't stop talking about him?

traditionalguy said...

She is doing her job of portraying an extremely intelligent man with a competitive wit as a mean person we should hate for being defective. How dare he kid around. Reminds one of our portrayals of Germans and Japanese leaders during the world war. Political cartoons of selected targets.

wendybar said...

Biden showered with his daughter. WHEN will Haberman write about THAT?? WHEN will any "journalist"??

Lilly, a dog said...

Why are we squealing headlong into a rape implication? Couldn't Trump be comparing Kushner to the skinny inbred albino banjo-playing boy?
Of course, any of this would require us to believe that Maggie Haberman is presenting a series of true stories.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Was he necessarily thinking of the rape? The male who is raped in the movie is not "skinny assed." "Deliverance" sums up a nightmare for city people who think it is fun to live rough in the country. Home for a kind of hillbilly who can be sweet but also brutal, like a sunny day or a raging river. Always a threat for the city slickers. The briar patch.

My brother and his son hiked the West Coast trail, a still remote part of Vancouver Island. The hike is considered a kind of rite of passage for many people. They made it through the various physical travails on the trail, but then faced the problem of reuniting with at least one vehicle to get back home. My nephew managed to get a lift to where his pickup was, tried to use back roads, and got stuck. A tow truck driver was called to come from some distance; the extent of the work ahead of him was not really made clear. As he got out of his truck, he yelled at my brother: who's responsible for this clusterfuck? Some slightly scary moments.

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...

How do we know this is true?
If it is true - the context? Inside joke?
Trust in media at all time low.

But keep the Trump hate alive - hack-D soap opera a-holes.

Ann Althouse said...

"I think most people take male-on-male rape seriously. It had great shock value in Deliverance. People make jokes about men who claim to have been raped by women."

If a woman was talking about going camping, there's a very low chance you'd think it was funny to joke that she's going to get raped. To joke about rape to her face would be social suicide.

If a man is talking about going camping, it's far more likely that you'd think it would be hilarious to joke to his face that he could get raped.

Howard said...

Who the fuck cares. It's superficial gossip. In addition, white males whom are members of the same tribe cut each other down using the specific quirks, habits, strengths and weaknesses that are unique to the target being ridiculed. You know you are accepted into the tribe when guys start giving you massive amounts of shit. If you are lucky, you learn this as a tweener. It's a form of reverse psychology designed to temper the cockiness of young men coming up and continues as you grow up to help the tribe maintain situational awareness on dangerous job sites.

Ann Althouse said...

"Did Jared have a skinny ass? I missed that somehow. Guess I was reading Althouse when I should have been looking at Ass Sizes of the Rich and Famous."

I conspicuously passed on blogging the Lizzo and the crystal flute story.

BillieBob Thorton said...

I can imagine Trump saying that to his skinny ass SIL. That's how guys talk, so what. I can also imagine Jared giving it right back, so what. It's only a big deal to the easily offended Maggy Haberwomen.

tim maguire said...

Leland said...Trump resides in their mind so much, he's now the boring one to the rest of us. I'm for boring.

My wife knows a number of New York-based journalists (she used to be one), including Maggie Haberman. Haberman writes about Trump a lot because he talks to her, gives her access. For some reason, he likes her. Haberman's hit pieces don't seem to bother him. At least not in any real way, not enough for him to cut her off.

tim maguire said...

Ann Althouse said...If a man is talking about going camping, it's far more likely that you'd think it would be hilarious to joke to his face that he could get raped.

Prison is another one. It's generally assumed that rape in prison is a common occurrence. It is often fodder for jokes and curses, rarely for serious concern.

Duke Dan said...

“ Haberman was choosing how to present the nuggets she gathered, and I wouldn't trust her to recreate the real feelings of the human beings involved.”

Not trusting liberal shills. All this time on the blog has been beneficial.

Rusty said...

"If a man is talking about going camping, it's far more likely that you'd think it would be hilarious to joke to his face that he could get raped."
Yeah. If another guy said it. Guys give each other shit all the time. Real guys anyway.

Critter said...

I guess the Democrat elites in NYC are needing to be fed more made up stories about how bad Trump is in advance of an electoral humiliation by Republicans, especially MAGA Republicans. Oh, dear, it’s time for one of mother’s little pills.

Earnest Prole said...

The joke is hilariously, classically Trump. We should thank Haberman for reporting it. What’s odd is that your commenters feel the need to pre-apologize for it or deny it even happened. No true Deplorable wants to be a Victorian.

Bob Boyd said...

Lizzo has a skinny ass the size of a fat ass.

LuAnn Zieman said...

Jared Kushner is definitely a tall, lanky, thin person. He was a guest on the Gutfeld! show a few days ago. Gutfeld can be really crass, but Jared held up well. And he was very humble about his part in the Abraham Accord negotiations.

Tank said...

Whether true or not, typical of how men banter with their friends.

gspencer said...

DJT might be a little more careful here. The mountain men went first for blubbery Bobby.

BillieBob Thorton said...

The southern border is wide open, the stock market dropped almost 20% in September, inflation is through the roof, energy prices the highest ever, war in Ukraine, rampant crime in dem run cities, thousands dying from Fentanyl, if we are not already is a recession economists are predicting one in the near future, an incompetent unpopular addle brained president, a moron for a VP, corrupt FBI and DOJ, out of control government spending, so what is a leftstream journalist supposed to write about besides Trump. Gotta get those clicks somehow .

gspencer said...

Democrats to DJT, "Washington? This here river don't go to Washington. You dun taken a wrong turn."

Kevin said...

I conspicuously passed on blogging the Lizzo and the crystal flute story.

Conspicuous in its ass-bence.

Andrew said...

@Ann,
"
I conspicuously passed on blogging the Lizzo and the crystal flute story."

Please reconsider! It's good. There's so much to work with.

Since when does the Library of Congress allow musicians to take out an artifact and use it in a performance? If so, why not a real musician, like James Galway? Orca jazz flautist? Someone who won't twerk with it and defile the thing?

Back to the topic at hand. I have heard numerous Deliverance jokes throughout my life, usually of the "you couldn't survive a real camping trip" variety. No one, even the butt(s) of the joke, were ever offended by it. It's shorthand for, "Leave the roughing it for the real men." Like the song, "Country boy can survive." Men talk like that all the time.

evl29 said...

"according to New York Times reporter,Maggie Haberman".


Hmmmmm.....

mezzrow said...

"I conspicuously passed on blogging the Lizzo and the crystal flute story."

On behalf of the commenting community, our sincere thanks for that. We are both honored and humbled by the omission.

Lurker21 said...

I doubt that Trump was playing a brilliant game of three (or even four) dimensional chess, like some of his biggest fans say, but we do have a three-dimensional view of Trump, something we don't have of other presidents and politicians. We see the man in the round, while much of Obama's life remains an unexamined mystery. Indeed, if you take into account that many of the things Trump said weren't things he actually said, we even have a four dimensional view of Trump, one that shows us the imaginary, fictional, and mythic side of the the man, as well as the actual ones.

Maybe this is the time to bring up "alternative facts." We know, or think we know, so much about Trump that you can get wildly different ideas of the man based on which facts you choose (some of which may not even be actual facts). And just what is the "fact" here? That Trump has despises Jared? Or that he has a bantering, jocular relationship with his son-in-law?

Also, so much of Trump is above the surface. He actually comes out and says what he means and even what he doesn't mean but just passes through his head. What did Johnson, or Nixon, or Clinton or Bush think of their sons-in-law? Anything? Nothing? Love? Hate? Resentment? Indifference? Trump seems to be a child of the age who anxiously fills up any silences with something -- something he may or may not feel. Aren't we all a little like that in the internet age?

Krumhorn said...

I think that we need an overarching context rule. Whenever Trump’s name is used between now and November, it’s about November. In each case, any November. I’d be honored to call it the Krumhorn Rule.

- Krumhorn

Gahrie said...

And this anecdote does present the old problem of not taking the rape seriously when the victim is male.

At this point, I'd be happy with not forcing the poor splooge stooges to pay child support to their rapist.

Freeman Hunt said...

How is that belittling? He's calling him a city guy. It's a fish out of water joke.

Andrew said...

"On behalf of the commenting community, our sincere thanks for that. We are both honored and humbled by the omission."

No! We're not! A post on that topic would have a hundred comments easily. It would be comedy gold. And some of the comments would contain esoteric historical knowledge. Others would go down high-quality music rabbit trails. And some idiot would defend Lizzo, and the rest of us would attack. This is what the blog is made for. It's not too late, Ann!

Butkus51 said...

2 years

and still

Meanwhile Joe is trying to summon people from the dead. (I hope he does Lincoln next)

Abe? Abe, where are ya Abe, come on down here.

Nothing to see here, move along.

Did you see that limp Putin has? OMG

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...

all these Trump-hate books should have the same title:

GET YOUR TRUMP HATE HARD-ON HERE
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
[...]
Part 284

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...
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Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...

Funny or not - whatever - the point is this kind of reporting is for the leftist base.

Keep the hate alive.

Ann Althouse said...

"Since when does the Library of Congress allow musicians to take out an artifact and use it in a performance? If so, why not a real musician, like James Galway? Orca jazz flautist? Someone who won't twerk with it and defile the thing?"

She's a real musician, and she was trained as a classical flutist.

James Galway — yeah, I remember in the 1980s, there was one flutist known by name, and it was him. Is he still alive? Has anyone mentioned him recently?

Lizzo is a very popular and charismatic celebrity in the present-day culture. Her performance brought an immense amount of attention to an object I'd never heard of before in a collection I'd never considered visiting. I'll bet it brings a lot of new and more varied visitors to the place.

I'd have recommended not performing with butt cheeks on full display, but considering James Madison's slaveowning, it's a form of reparations.

Ann Althouse said...

Why make a flute out of glass? It's all for show? Glass... ass... whatever.

wendybar said...

Lizzo played a few notes on the flute. She didn't show that she was trained to play it. Such a great musician. This is one of her BEST songs....

"Phone"

Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?

Okay, 2: 15 and the lights come on, where my phone?
Looking around like where my phone?
Looking where my homies went
Where the hell my homies went?
Where the hell my homies went?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
Walking home with my feet on sore
Walking home with my feet on sore
What the hell these Louboutins for?
What the hell these Louboutins for?
Walking home and it's damn near 4
Walking home and it's damn near 4
What the hell these Louboutins for?
What the hell these Louboutins for?
Yeah, I was getting it, looking real cute
Up in the club, man, how do you do?
Hair ain't a don't, hair is a do
Ooh, he fine! What's up with you?

Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?

Ooh, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Oh my God, why?

Yeah, and I seen that boy
Looked at me, but I got annoyed
'Cause he bought me a drink for a dolla'
Boy came over and he wanted to holla'
Boy came over and he wanted to holla'
Boy came over and he wanted to holla'
My song came on, so I hit the dance floor
Man I lost my, mmm, phone
Walking home with my feet on sore
Walking home with my feet on sore
What the hell these Louboutins for?
What the hell these Louboutins for?
Walking home and it's damn near 4
Walking home and it's damn near 4
What the hell these Louboutins for?
I don't know where I'm going

Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?

Ooh, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Ooh, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts
Hoo, unlock that, all up in my contacts

Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get home?
Where the hell my phone? Where the hell my phone?
Where the hell my, where the hell my phone, huh?
How I'm 'posed to get
But you're holding it
Oh

Birches said...

When he's right, he's right.

Ivanka and Jared camping is inauthentic and he short handed the reasons why. Male rape does not factor into it.

Will Cate said...

I can much easier imagine Jared camping than I can Trump's fat, bloated ass.

Birches said...

Trump's keying into his key appeal. He never showed up to the Iowa State Fair in a plaid shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The Kushners should not go camping.

Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker said...

Habberman wants to create the image in your mind that there is trouble between Trump and his son-in-law.

It's very inconvenient for the collective Trumpo-hate left for Trump to have a Jewish Son-in-law.

The media need to create a family fissure. Real or not - is beside the point. Feel the hate.

n.n said...

Father-in-law wants son-in-law to go fishing story.

Mother-in-law wants daughter-in-law to shopping story.

Sally327 said...

I doubt too many people, probably including me, will feel sorry for Kushner upon discovering that he is treated shabbily by his father-in-law.

That's a stereotype anyway, like something out of "All in the Family", Archie Bunker ridiculing "Meathead", his son-in-law, although possibly no less true for being a stereotype.

Jared Kushner probably figured it was worth the price of admission, putting up with an a-hole for a father-in-law to be able to marry the lovely and successful Ivanka Trump. Plus he did quite well apparently out of his time in the Trump White House, getting lots of money from the Saudis for his new investment fund.

John henry said...

Has Mags never heard of "The dozens"?

Person 1:Your mama's so FAT, after she got off the carousel, the horse limped for a week.

Person 2:Your mama's so skinny, she can hula-hoop through a Froot Loop.

Person 1:Your mama's so FAT, her blood type is Ragu.

Person 2:Your mama's so skinny, she looks like a mic stand.

And so on until they run out of comments, get tired or someone crosses a line and gets punched out.

Wikipedia has an entry that says it is mostly played by blacks but I've seen plenty of white guys play something similar. It is usually played in front of other people.

Two guys from Queens? I'd be more surprised if they did not play some variation of this. Like the example Mags mentions.

BTW: Narciso called me last night. He is in Florida. He asked me to mention that he lives on the east coast and other than being wet and without power has not been much affected by Ian.

John Stop fascism vote republican Henry

John henry said...

I found the glass flue kind of curious too. I was interested to learn that the LOC has a collection of several hundred antique flutes. It seemed odd that they would lend out an especially fragile one like this.

Suppose she had tripped walking onto the stage?

John stop fascism vote republican Henry

Joe Smith said...

'I'd have recommended not performing with butt cheeks on full display, but considering James Madison's slaveowning, it's a form of reparations.'

One of the most nonsensical things I've ever read from you.

Really?

Howard said...

Regarding rape humor, comedy is nearly always about tragedy.

This Louis CK bit on Russians is a perfect example:

John henry said...

Blogger Ann Althouse said...

James Galway — yeah, I remember in the 1980s, there was one flutist known by name, and it was him. Is he still alive? Has anyone mentioned him recently?

What about Herbie Mann? Ian Anderson? Gheorghe Zamfir?

What are they, chopped liver?

John stop fascism vote republican Henry

Tom said...

That convo could happened between any group of close male friends. The skinny one will not do well in deliverance and they know it. In my friends, I’m the skinny one. It’s said with love.

Aggie said...

Another Haberman story. Shall we guess the topic, and whether it's a favorable or unfavorable treatment? *yawn*

JAORE said...

"Guys give each other shit all the time. Real guys anyway."

Amen. My golf foursome is BRUTAL.

But lots of people are just clueless about male-to-male humor.

Approaching 50%, I'd say.

Tom T. said...

I'm reminded of Jeff Foxworthy joking about the different ways men and women will greet an old friend on the phone. A man might say, "Wally, you ugly, bald-headed old pervert, how you doing?" A woman would never start off with, "Jane, you fat pig!"

Rocketeer said...

"Why make a flute out of glass? It's all for show? Glass... ass... whatever."

Timbre. Glass (crystal, actually) has a significantly different timbre than wood or plated metal.

Tom T. said...

By the way, from the pictures I've seen, I thought Lizzo wore a long-sleeved shirt and jeans at the LOC. Am I mistaken?

Ann Althouse said...

What I'm seeing (at Wikipedia) is: "Other than sounding more consistent at differing temperatures, glass flutes are similar in tone to contemporary wooden and ivory flutes."

Apparently, the metal flutes were a later development.

John henry said...

In other news about our president emeritus, he turns out to be the best golfer of all our presidents with a 2.8 handicap. Biden claims a 6 handicap but the article seemed skeptical.

Other presidential handicaps:

The remaining ten of the list are President George H.W. Bush with an 11 handicap, President Bill Clinton with a 12 handicap, President Gerald Ford with a 12 handicap, President Richard Nixon with a 12 handicap, President Barack Obama with a 13 handicap, President George W. Bush with a 15 handicap, President Dwight D. Eisenhower with an 18 handicap, and President William Taft with a 20 handicap.

Ann Althouse said...

So, I'm wrong to have thought of the glass flute as an oddity. They were trying to get a stable tone at a time when the other choices were ivory and wood.

Ann Althouse said...

"By the way, from the pictures I've seen, I thought Lizzo wore a long-sleeved shirt and jeans at the LOC. Am I mistaken?"

Thank you!

You are right. I see that here: here.

There are so many articles about this that show a picture of her playing a flute in a concert setting, in a very revealing outfit. That tricked me. Sorry.

mezzrow said...

Apparently, the metal flutes were a later development.

They were. There is a recent trend toward using flutes made of wood for classical and symphonic use for purposes of tone color. You will also see head joints of wood along with a metal body, and flutes in all sorts of metals. The metal flutes are/were simply louder and had the ability to pipe over the rest of the noise in the band. Also, it became cheaper and more consistent to work with metal than wood after the industrial revolutions passed through.

Robert Cook said...

He said it, and probably many other things about Jared in front of him with others present at other times, to disparage his manliness. He's jealous that Jared gets to fuck Ivanka.

Michael K said...


Blogger Will Cate said...

I can much easier imagine Jared camping than I can Trump's fat, bloated ass.


The hate is all some people have in their lives. Too bad.

Robert Cook said...

"Almost two years in.

"Still writing books about Trump.

"Still no books about Biden."


Villains, freaks, and assholes are always more interesting than non-entities.

Lurker21 said...

Trump was often criticized because he speaks like men speak in locker rooms.

We have accounts that Bush Jr. talked about "pussy" with his father, and that Bill Clinton talked about "pussy" with Vernon Jordan and others. I don't know if those reports are true. Trump was the one who was caught on tape (with Bush's nephew of all people).

When that "October surprise" tape came out I asked myself which presidents wouldn't have had talks like that with other guys, and how many would actually have done what Trump was talking about doing. Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton, Bush Jr., and Biden certainly would have said it, and maybe would actually have done it. Nixon, Bush Sr. and Obama also might have said it, not that they would have done it, or that anybody would have taken them seriously.

That leaves Eisenhower, Ford, and Reagan. Whatever they might have said or done when they were young, their pussy grabbing and pussy grabbing talking days were far in the past when they became president. And Carter. I don't know what he was capable of doing or saying in that heart of his.

rcocean said...

Yeah, I guess Kushner and Trump really hate each other.

LOL!

Good to know Trump is just as funny in private as he is in public. But then, you can't fake a a sense of humor.

rcocean said...

Trump's a NYC south florida golfing guy. I don't see him in a tent or around a campfire, unless he could fly his jet there.

rcocean said...

Trump is a very good athelte, and a very good golfer for his age. it hows what bizzare freaks the libeal/left is that some Sports Illustrated writer wrote a whole book attacking Trump for cheating at golf!

The MSM is full of mentally ill people.

hombre said...

If there was no Trump, there would be no Maggie Haberman. So when there is "not Trump," she has to make him up.

Tom T. said...

Apparently, the metal flutes were a later development.

Like baseball bats.

Rusty said...

Robert Cook said...
"He said it, and probably many other things about Jared in front of him with others present at other times, to disparage his manliness. He's jealous that Jared gets to fuck Ivanka."
Well. ya did it. You're right up there in Howard territory. Beta male envy of men territory.

gahrie said...

He said it, and probably many other things about Jared in front of him with others present at other times, to disparage his manliness. He's jealous that Jared gets to fuck Ivanka.

Has he taken any showers with her? Asking for a friend.

gahrie said...

"Still no books about Biden."

Villains, freaks, and assholes are always more interesting than non-entities.


He spent 36 years in the Senate, 8 as Vice president, supposedly received more votes than anyone else in history and is currently our sitting president.

His son is a crack smoking, nude selfie taking crook who gets millions in bribes from overseas for him and his father and his daughter accuses him of taking showers with her.

Yet Comrade Marvin casually dismisses him as a non-entity.

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Readering said...

The heaviest one was singled out for rape, so not sure 45 was being that specific with his allusion.

Andrew said...

This has become a nice combo thread. Deliverance and the crystal flute.

In order to cleanse the mind of Lizzo (thanks for the lyrics, too, wendybar, they remind me of Lennon/McCartney)...

Here are some real flautists, who don't show off their asses when they play.

James Galway with John Denver:
https://youtu.be/MiecGxSgPkE

Jean-Pierre Rampal with Claude Bolling:
https://youtu.be/6r_2Qql4Qq8

Ian Anderson going insane:
https://youtu.be/z_BtPxZEwiQ

Each person above has more talent in their pinkie fingernail than Lizzo has in her whole voluptuous body. I suppose what Ian Anderson does may be offensive to some (almost treating the flute as phallic), but at least his musicianship is compelling.

Lizzo is popular for reasons that have nothing to do with talent. And for the Library of Congress to cater to her is sickening. A sign of the times. The children take control.


Drago said...

Robert Cook: "He said it, and probably many other things about Jared in front of him with others present at other times, to disparage his manliness. He's jealous that Jared gets to fuck Ivanka."

Remember, Robert Cook always demands muliple corroborating sources for any assertions against New Soviet Democraticals. Further, we have the written diary of Biden's own daughter saying Joe showered with her as an adolescent and thus far our Cookie hasn't uttered a peep about it.

Why you may ask?

Because like all our marxist/lefty/dem/nevertrump (but I repeat myself) "contributors", Cookie doesn't actually believe a single thing that he lectures everyone else about.

QED

Mike Petrik said...

I voted for Trump without reservation because he was the better of the two candidates. Yet, this is the jerk who thinks it's perfectly okay to ridicule a woman's looks, as he did of Carly Fiorina. A man can be reasonably competent at his job and still be a world class jerk, even if MAGA cultists are so besotten they cannot see it. MAGA cultists are every bit as irrational as Never-Trumpers.
I have no idea whether Haberman is fabricating this episode, spinning it unfairly, or giving us the straight dope. But sadly the last is all too plausible.

Mike Petrik said...

I voted for Trump without reservation because he was the better of the two candidates. Yet, this is the jerk who thinks it's perfectly okay to ridicule a woman's looks, as he did of Carly Fiorina. A man can be reasonably competent at his job and still be a world class jerk, even if MAGA cultists are so besotten they cannot see it. MAGA cultists are every bit as irrational as Never-Trumpers.
I have no idea whether Haberman is fabricating this episode, spinning it unfairly, or giving us the straight dope. But sadly the last is all too plausible.

Mike Petrik said...

I voted for Trump without reservation because he was the better of the two candidates. Yet, this is the jerk who thinks it's perfectly okay to ridicule a woman's looks, as he did of Carly Fiorina. A man can be reasonably competent at his job and still be a world class jerk, even if MAGA cultists are so besotten they cannot see it. MAGA cultists are every bit as irrational as Never-Trumpers.
I have no idea whether Haberman is fabricating this episode, spinning it unfairly, or giving us the straight dope. But sadly the last is all too plausible.

Michael K said...


Blogger Robert Cook said...

He said it, and probably many other things about Jared in front of him with others present at other times, to disparage his manliness. He's jealous that Jared gets to fuck Ivanka.


Cook, like Habermann, does not understand masculine humor. Is there something you would like to confess, Cook ?

Earnest Prole said...

I have no idea whether Haberman is fabricating this episode, spinning it unfairly, or giving us the straight dope. But sadly the last is all too plausible.

Unlike many commenters here you’ve failed to master the art of keeping two sets of books: “Trump would never have said/done such an awful thing, but if he actually did it was awesome.”

Joe Bar said...

Adding this to the comments about the fired Apple executive, I am getting the feeling that I do not share the same sense of humor as our gracious host.

GRW3 said...

Look, Deliverance verbal memes were kind of thing for us Baby Boomers. From humming or singing the intro to Dueling Banjos or saying things like "squeal like a pig". In fact, the movie business has been the big source of verbal memes from "Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn" to "Say "What?" again!"

Like Monty Python, it's primarily a guy thing. We don't use such talk with people we don't like. I'm not surprised a woman would miss the actual nature of the organization. Probably reported by somebody upset they were well liked enough to get a Trump nickname or be included in the guy talk.

Drago said...

Earnest Prole: "Unlike many commenters here you’ve failed to master the art of keeping two sets of books: “Trump would never have said/done such an awful thing, but if he actually did it was awesome.”

Unlike many commenters here you’ve failed to master the art of keeping two sets of books: “Trump clearly did this terrible thing and even if he never said/did such an awful thing it sounds like something he would say or do which makes him guilty anyway."

FIFY

Looks like there are 4 sets of books. You just naturally overlooked 2 of them in your zeal to be "even-handed"...(wink wink)...and remain blissfully above the fray while tut tutting about.

Rusty said...

Joe Bar said...
"Adding this to the comments about the fired Apple executive, I am getting the feeling that I do not share the same sense of humor as our gracious host."
I didn't see where she disapproved. I'd be more interested in a Mclaren tricked out merc myself.

Mary Martha said...

I tent camp regularly (just got back from photographing the Milky Way in the Okefenokee Swamp) and based on what I have seen from the big RVs absolutely anyone Donald Trump or Ivanka and Jared could handle 'camping' in them.

They can be mansions on wheels. When I am setting up or breaking camp in the rain I am quite jealous of them.

Jim at said...

President Barack Obama with a 13 handicap

Yeah. Right.
Ever seen his swing? The guy couldn't break a 100 on his best day.

Robert Cook said...

"We have accounts that Bush Jr. talked about "pussy" with his father, and that Bill Clinton talked about "pussy" with Vernon Jordan and others. I don't know if those reports are true. Trump was the one who was caught on tape (with Bush's nephew of all people)."

Believable. They're all loathsome human beings.

Robert Cook said...

"He spent 36 years in the Senate, 8 as Vice president, supposedly received more votes than anyone else in history and is currently our sitting president."

And yet, for all that, he is essentially a non-entity. Many career politicians are non-entities, there only for the perks.

Robert Cook said...

"Cook, like Habermann, does not understand masculine humor."

Is it "masculine humor" for a powerful man to denigrate his deferential son-in-law in a humiliating way in the company of others? It strikes me as neither masculine nor humorous. It is a creepy bully doing what bullies do: shitting on someone who just has to take it. In other words, a moral weakling using cruelty to feign being an authentically strong person.

(Mind you, from what I gather, Jared is a creep, too, but I guess that is the alpha dog culture: when you're not the alpha, you have to eat shit, and when you become the alpha, you make others eat shit. None of it is "masculine," but is pathological. It is "masculinity" only in that it is "toxic masculinity.")

Tom T. said...

Is it "masculine humor" for a powerful man to denigrate his deferential son-in-law

The answer is totally dependent on the nature of their relationship, right? If they're friends and Kushner is free to reply, "I just have to run faster than you, fat boy," then yes, that seems like entirely reasonable friendly gibing.

Earnest Prole said...

Looks like there are 4 sets of books. You just naturally overlooked 2 of them.

In the event your fingers have difficulty scrolling upthread, my take was "Trump said it and it's hilarious."

In other words, one set of books.

But I can't imagine why you would consider "two sets of books" an insult: Trump considers it a badge of honor.

Michael K said...


Blogger Robert Cook said...

"Cook, like Habermann, does not understand masculine humor."

Is it "masculine humor" for a powerful man to denigrate his deferential son-in-law in a humiliating way in the company of others? It strikes me as neither masculine nor humorous.


I know. You don't get it and have probably never played a sport. This story is second or third hand and is amusing in a way you will never understand.

Michael K said...

Yeah. Right.
Ever seen his swing? The guy couldn't break a 100 on his best day.


Yeah but have you seen his basketball skills? Probably on a level with Cook.

Rusty said...

Robert Cook said...
It's a "guy" thing, comrade Bob. You wouldn't understand.

Ralph L said...

There are so many articles about this that show a picture of her playing a flute in a concert setting, in a very revealing outfit.

In your own link, she did both.

Drago said...

Earnest Prole: "In the event your fingers have difficulty scrolling upthread, my take was "Trump said it and it's hilarious."

Irrelevant.

iowan2 said...

This is the second exerpt from Habbermans book. The second dud.

Not only President Trump the most honest politician ever to live and work in DC, this says he is the most boring. We all tease our son's wife about never going camping again. Our son loves Boundary Waters. So his soon to be wife wanted to go to experience what the man she loved so much , got out of the trip.
She hated it. We tease her about it on a regular basis. Because we love her. But she returns fire. All is good.

Robert Cook said...

"It's a 'guy' thing, comrade Bob."

Sure, for asshole guys.

I understand that men of equal standing among themselves, (friends, relatives, colleagues of equal rank, etc.), may josh in this manner among themselves, that is, privately. However, Jared is not equal to Trump in their family dynamic, and Trump's insulting comment in this non-private setting was simply the act of a bully exercising his dominance over his son-in-law. It's in keeping with who Trump has always clearly been.

Robert Cook said...

"'Is it "masculine humor" for a powerful man to denigrate his deferential son-in-law?'

"The answer is totally dependent on the nature of their relationship, right? If they're friends and Kushner is free to reply, 'I just have to run faster than you, fat boy,' then yes, that seems like entirely reasonable friendly gibing."


Yes, and I cannot imagine Jared is free to reply in kind to Trump, especially in a public or semi-public setting where his reply could be witnessed and made public.

Rusty said...

Try missing five in a row shooting skeet. Jesus those guys are brutal.