The evidence: "several gynecologists tell CNN they've seen an increase in people requesting tubal ligation." So... several gynecologists. Noted.
But there's an anecdote about a woman who's finding it difficult to get the surgery:
DeAndra Childress, 33, told CNN she has tried several times to get her tubes tied. But she said four different doctors refused to perform the procedure on the grounds that she may regret the decision later in life."I was told I was too young, no kids, not married, may get married later, and I should wait til I have a husband," she said. "All methods to control my body. It infuriates me."
That is, it's not that the doctors are overbooked and you can't get an appointment. It's that the doctors have an ethical problem fulfilling the request for sterilization. Is it harder to find doctors willing to sterilize than willing to do abortions? Both procedures can result in regret, but with sterilization, you've changed the body of a person who will keep on living and may have regrets about herself. Abortion stops a change to a woman's body and completely destroys the body of the unborn child. The never-born child can have no regrets, and the woman's regrets, if any, are not about her own body, but about this entity that cannot regret.
Anyway, there's a "vocal movement of young women and non-binary people" pushing sterilization as the best form of birth control. That may mislead some people into surgery that they will regret, but it's probably effective political speech. If you were anti-abortion, maybe now you should worry that the young women of America are just going to turn their back on motherhood. It's a strong political gesture to sacrifice your body for the cause. But the logic is: They're trying to appropriate my body for their cause!
(It's not a complete sacrifice. You can still conceive using IVF.)
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GOOD!! Then they don't have to worry about not being able to kill their babies.
These are the political brand of anecdotal stories you people can dismiss because they don't don't do anything to confirm your biases. Well done.
Body modification (morphing?) has become a theme on this blog. I keep thinking modernity and post-modernity might be great, except that we don't have the bodies or souls for it. Hence the dreams of robots, space, the blue avatars (now I believe with a sequel) who are better than us. If we want bodies that respond to every impulse, including an impulse to modify, but we also want this to be somehow reversible, then we are worse off than Sisyphus pushing that boulder up a hill. It might more "natural" for women than men to see themselves as passive victims of nature; more of a problem for those who always want to keep up with the times.
This is professional journalism in the USA in the year 2024.
Quick! Quick! Nobody stop them!
Welcome to real life "Logan's Run" -- at age 30 everyone must report to the suicide chamber. Never trust anyone over 30.
Some on the hard left are in a genuine death cult. Religious offshoots routinely evolve and routinely go extinct. All that nice antique Shaker furniture was made by a death cult too.
https://www.nps.gov/articles/history-of-the-shakers.htm
Buy their memorial artifacts here:
https://www.etsy.com/search/vintage?q=shaker+furniture
CNN thinks of itself as a responsible "gatekeeper" of our country's news.
People can be such idiots.
…rushing to get sterilized…
How dramatic.
“Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it. For you the blind who once could see. The Bell Tolls for Thee” – Neil Peart – Losing It – Rush Signals Album; 1982
Leave it to Howard to post a lame comment. The number of woman who are actually going to get tubal ligation for this nonsense is minuscule at most and will be largely confined to moronic leftist woman. These woman can try birth control. When used properly it's effective. Killing your unborn child isn't birth control. It's infanticide.
It reminds me of the parents who are trying to find doctors to treat their children with hormones so that the kids can be competitive in gender fashion. I know a mother who is doing this with one of her children and she is very frustrated that it is not easy to obtain this treatment for her daughter. She also has a painting in the colors of the Ukraine flag as her Facebook profile picture.
All the Anecdotes that Fit the Narrative.
Althouse said...
But the logic is: They're trying to appropriate my body for their cause!
"But the 22-year-old Orlando communications specialist, who identifies by she/they pronouns... In April of 2021, after getting turned down by several doctors, Ruiz got their tubes tied at age 21. They marked the milestone with a party attended by a few close friends."
I'm confused. 'Their' cause is or isn't her cause?
"Body modification (morphing?) has become a theme on this blog."
Human beings do a lot of body cutting, often mixing the beneficial with the gruesome!
In this post we see tubal ligation and abortion, and maybe it made you think of "gender confirmation" surgery. But there are so many other things: face lifts, rhinoplasty, circumcision, breast implants, amputations, Caesarean sections, Lasik surgery, the removal of tumors, organ harvesting, FGM, scarification, "self-harm" cutting, piercings, bariatric surgery....
Or is it called "gender affirmation" surgery?
how many, is "some people"?
approximately 643,000 female sterilization procedures are performed each year in the United States
So, how many american people are "Rushing" to get one? Thousands? Hundreds? Scores? Several?
Two?
By may math, More than 12,000 women a WEEK get their tubes tied (LORD Knows how many men do!)
So a one percent increase would be more than 120 women. Doesn't sound like it's that many after all
We should encourage these people, will even contribute to a fund to give them a ride, the world is better without the offspring they would likely produce
Ann Althouse said...
Or is it called "gender affirmation" surgery?
or is it called "gender denial" surgery?
For a population to maintain itself, it's usually said that each woman should have...2.1 children. Presumably this means that many mature and reproduce in turn.
Read sometime back that liberal women have--this is an average--1.4 kids, conservative women, 2.1 and conservative Christian women 2.8.
To the extent that unmarried liberal women have more to worry about in this area, likely more will do something permanent. This will result in fewer abortions --whose rate has presumably been steady for a couple of decades---, but also in fewer wanted children of liberal parents.
"It's that the doctors have an ethical problem fulfilling the request for sterilization."
But they have no issues at all with removing breasts from 15 year olds, or removing penises from 14 year olds and replacing them with a vagina. That's readily done and well accepted, even encouraged in some of our highly touted med schools (Yale).
The young women in this country have been so mentally abused, misdirected, and miseducated about what life is, and what matters. This is like a child who, upon finding out they cannot have more ice cream, spits in the ice cream container so that no one can have the ice cream. Never has a generation of men and women in the US had fewer children than we are now. A lot of it is selfishness- simply not wanting a spouse or small human to take up the time of their life. Some of it is taught today. Your career and looking like our definition of a strong woman is more important that any feelings about a family you might have. Families are a construct of the Patriarchy, devised to keep women down, at home- don't you know? (no matter that families are how humans got this far)
In the meantime, we're falling farther and farther below replacement rate. in a short generation or two, there will not be enough people in the US, Western Europe, Japan to even work the jobs and services that are needed to keep progressive women and men in lattes and Kitten Heels, let alone pay for those governmental hand-outs they're hoping to live on. Even China-believe it or not. China took the opposite approach and made female babies illegal for a number of years, and is now trying to reward young people to have children. They've got nothing but young men with nowhere to put it. We'll be looking to reward births here too in a few years. Mark my words- you'll see government incentives to have new babies. When the government tax rolls are shrinking because there are not enough people paying in, you'll see a whole new Narrative. Can't wait for that Patriarchal event.
In the meantime, those women who undergo this procedure are probably too selfish and misdirected to raise a child. Lord knows there's no shortage of bad parenting, and if these are the early volunteers, knowing they don't have what it takes, fine. Tie 'em up and send them off to their next activist activity. I'm sure their lives will be full and wondrous with dozens of future protests to attend and posters to carry.
"self-harm" cutting
This is the one, that gets me. I've known Several cutters. Everyone (including the cutters) felt that it was Bad, and Wrong; and showed that their minds weren't working right.
This is true today. If you are a 14 year old girl, that makes small incisions in your arm
(to give you a sense of 'control' over your out of control life); people SEE that you are sick.
(Literally, see the scars; even though you hide them with long sleeves). And people (Including You!) thing you need a better way of dealing with things
BUT! If you're a 14 year old girl, that has her breasts cut off..
(to give you a sense of 'control' over your out of control life); people CELEBRATE your actions!
You are now, TOTALLY COOL! because you mutilated your body!!
The only differences that i can see between the two, are
a)cutting is almost completely harmless (The girls i knew, would use antiseptic before cutting)
b)cutting is do it yourself.. No "doctor" gets insurance money for it
This is just further evidence that many women ("several" I'm informed) were using abortion as a form of birth control. They didn't want children, but just couldn't be bothered to get a tubal ligation because they're lazy. I guess if you're murdering kids, sloth doesn't seem that bad of a sin.
They went for the vacuum option.
Horrible. These people are just horrible, horrible human beings and I for one am glad they're permanently shutting off their own ability to litter the human genetic pool.
"But there are so many other things: face lifts, rhinoplasty, circumcision, breast implants, amputations, Caesarean sections, Lasik surgery, the removal of tumors, organ harvesting, FGM, scarification, "self-harm" cutting, piercings, bariatric surgery...."
It's really interesting that you included a body modification that nobody consents to in this list.
Is it really your body? If someone else can cut parts of it off that they don't like?
DeAndra Childress, 33, told CNN she has tried several times to get her tubes tied. But she said four different doctors refused to perform the procedure on the grounds that she may regret the decision later in life.
And she may express that regret by suing the doctor involved. In purely financial terms, the gain from performing the procedure will be tiny compared to the cost of a suit -- win or lose.
CNN...the source of all truth.
"Tie Ethel's Tubes" was a lapel pin in the 60s.
Why is it so difficult to get sterilized as a woman (this isn’t a new problem women have had), but a minor can chop off her boobs or get himself castrated and they have a huge party for them. It absolutely makes zero sense.
Clown world.
Anyway, let these women sterilize themselves. They’re adults, and if it cuts down on abortions, all the better. If they regret it later, well, it was her body her choice. But it should definitely give us pause that adults are at risk of regretting major surgery that affects their natural body, yet we are celebrating children who are doing essentially the same thing.
"But the logic is: They're trying to appropriate my body for their cause!"
Is any part of prog logic more illogical?
Women who don't want to get pregnant can abstain. If they want to have sex, they can take multiple protections. If they are afraid the protections didn't't work, they can take a pill. If the pill doesn't work, there are many places around the country that will be happy to kill and dismember the fetus. They could even consider giving birth--creating new life and making another family happy.
Foolish politicizing seems to result in obvious facts being ignored. Sterilization does not provide any protection against sexually-transmitted diseases If you're tempted to think, "I don't need a condom; I can't get pregnant", think again.
From the Mayo Clinic:
"Tubal ligation is a safe and effective form of permanent birth control. But it doesn't work for everyone. Fewer than 1 out of 100 women will get pregnant in the first year after the procedure. The younger you are at the time it's done, the more likely it is to fail.
If you do conceive after having a tubal ligation, there's a risk of having an ectopic pregnancy. This means the fertilized egg implants outside the uterus, usually in a fallopian tube. An ectopic pregnancy requires immediate medical treatment. The pregnancy cannot continue to birth. If you think you're pregnant at any time after a tubal ligation, contact your health care provider immediately."
Wonder if our little sweety thought about this part.
So, doctors who perform abortions, the murder of a developing human life, who have no qualms / second thoughts of screwing up teenagers and pre-teens by giving them puberty blockers and performing “gender affirmation surgery” on them when many of these kids actually need psychological/ psychiatric care but these doctors have “ethical” issues of performing tubal ligation on a perfectly healthy woman who is requesting, no, demanding it? These doctors, the AMA, the healthcare organizations, and the universities training these doctors are totally f**ked up in their priorities in recent history versus what they used to have.
Interestingly, these same doctors must be good with males getting vasectomies at any age since that topic isn’t even broached in the article. Vasectomies are virtually irreversible for a male but as Ann mentions that the woman can do IVF if they have second thoughts later on. I am OK if a young woman wants her tubes tied as it is her CHOICE (hmm, where have we heard that term in “women’s reproductive rights” before???). They may or may not regret it later but we all have regrets on major life decisions at sometime in our lives that can’t be undone. I am not good with these same doctors screwing up kids at the behest of transgender advocates in the public schools, online, and in government.
The whole concept of autonomy has gotten out of control. We simply don’t have as much control over reality as modern people want to have.
Many of our social and political conflicts would go away if more people would accept this. Of course the difficulty they have in accepting is a symptom of an even larger issue, the existential crisis due to rejection of God.
So I suspect BS on the doctor ethics preventing access. Doctors are required through malpractice judicial decisions to provide the negative consequences of surgery. I suspect these activist women were told what they wanted to hear and ran out to tell their story of refusal. Tubal ligation is about as common as vasectomies with the same consequences for a man’s ability to procreate if chosen early in life.
who identifies by she/they pronouns
...What? I thought the point of adjusting pronoun usage was for people who do not identify with a particular gender (ie., nonbinary). This woman identifies as a woman ("she") in the subjective case, but by the collective ("they") in the objective case? Why? How does that benefit her, other than getting to correct people who use proper grammar?
My reaction to both situations- increase in young women seeking surgical sterilization and in young people seeking sex reassignment surgery- is moral horror.
But even putting that aside there is a real ethical dilemma for the medical profession that is addressed in this CNN story. When doctors perform elective procedures, informed consent should include giving information on the degree of probability (at least statistically, even if it can’t be known for the individual) of future regret. Those odds are much higher when the person seeking the life-altering procedure is young and if these procedures are legally permitted at all they should have a much higher threshold of availability in those cases.
"Some people in the US are rushing to get sterilized after the Roe v. Wade ruling."
Seems like an Onion headline.
With CNN we are always in suspect terrain. Could be true. Maybe isn't.
Also, note the sensible ethical and prudential concerns of the doctors that DeAndra consulted. Did Eliot (formerly known as Ellen) Page face the same considerations when he/she had himself/herself mutilated? At least Page was in his/her 30s. And how about when the medical profession does it to someone's teenage daughter?
Something isn't right.
I have a friend with more than two kids who thought she was done having kids a few years ago. She wanted a hysterectomy because she has painful periods, but the doctor declined because she was young. Some more years passed and she decided to have two more kids. Sometimes doctors are wise.
It's all over antinatalist Reddit. Like girl, abortion was really your birth control method?
Seems a little performative tho. Like all the BLM handwringing in 2020. That blew over fast.
My guess is most won't get around to it and blame Trump.
As our Vice President said just the other day, "Listen, women are getting pregnant every day in America, and this is a real issue,"
It's a real issue, according to Kamala. Like the climate changing without our permission, or people using bad pronouns. People getting pregnant, going on since the beginning of time, is today, according to our second in command, a real issue.
Does this woman want to get the state/media/politicians involved in a matter that's between her and her doctor(s)?
Worth saying again; when women's reproductive activity was largely controlled by the people around them, no one cared what a woman wanted, except maybe Freud. But you've come a long way, Baby! Your body, your choice. And Evolution is paying close attention to what you want.
The fact that they *didn't* choose sterilization when it was, and always has been, available, but post-roe, indicates that the doctors might actually be correct.
"Is it harder to find doctors willing to sterilize than willing to do abortions?"
Aren't we always hearing that Planned Parenthood provides more than just baby-killing?
Some people in the US are rushing to get sterilized after the Roe v. Wade ruling.
Why call it Roe v. Wade? Why not use the correct name, Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization, or even just Dobbs? Does saying Roe v. Wade invoke some mystical power?
People doing this don’t value the future. They discount it so steeply that by comparison the present is all they have (or think they have: which is what matters). So they avoid creating progeny —whose care is tedious and expensive. They can’t imagine (or feel) the joy and wisdom that parenthood brings. They are lost in a perfect hall of mirrors, where ever-more-extreme self-construction projects are all that are left to them. Chop chop, slice slice, ink and piercings and hormones, and terminal crying fits if somebody forgets your pronouns.
We are way beyond normal limits here.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
I had 2 conflicting reactions to this one.
The first was: Darwin. Good. Stupid people get out of the gene pool.
The second was: Does this woman know how much people spend every year to remove tattoos? Ain't no mind changin' with a sterilization.
Does saying Roe v. Wade invoke some mystical power?
well, when you consider the 10s of Millions of people that Roe v. Wade MURDERED.. It probably does
I think most people reading this drivel make the assumption that the doctors who refused to perform the surgery were men. That is highly unlikely. Male gynecologists make up 25% of gynecologists at the most. Very likely that she saw female gynecologists and they were the ones who refused. Now proceed with analysis.
Three generations of imbeciles is enough.
At 28 years old, a male, with 3 children, I was forced to have my wife sign off on my vasectomy. One of the problems of youth is that they think all of their problems are unique.
Ever hear of the 'Roe Effect'?
Liberal women tend to get more abortions than conservative women.
Hence liberals are breeding themselves out of existence by killing their own offspring. So now its sterilization... ok by me!
Explains the mass influx of illegals... liberals trying to gin up their voting block that is dying out.
Smurf had two conflicting reactions but six identical comments.
Well done, Smurf!
"But there are so many other things: face lifts..."
Don't forget joint replacement! I've got two artificial knees in my body.
Really a gruesome procedure (I watched one on YouTube).
Older doctors think that childless women will regret certain life decisions they made.
We also need to address only children.
Medical procedures require informed consent.
The consent is not valid if it is not informed.
And the fact is that all too many people are NOT fully informed to really know and understand the truth of the procedure and the consequences thereof.
In fact, abortionists have battled against informed consent requirements for decades precisely so that more women will give their consent in ignorance because $$$$.
The pill or depo provera or implants can be used in younger women, and the copper IUD has a very good rate of preventing pregnancy.
So why not just get an IUD, just in case you change your mind and meet Mr Right.
As for IVF: it is expensive and overhyped.
True, the success rate in younger women is 50 to 80 percent, but over age 40, it is much much lower... unless you freeze your eggs, or buy some eggs from younger women to get fertilized. Or maybe exploit a third world woman to carry your child for you. (this is the real "Handmaids Tale no one wants to talk about).
By the way: my gynecologist when I was 35 refused to do a hysterectomy for endometriosis. I never got pregnant, but when MR Right was no where in sight, I did adopt 2 hard to place children a few years later (and then ended up marrying at age 45).
Well, here is Whitmer, She Wolf of the S.S. in a signature move.
https://thefederalist.com/2022/07/25/in-show-of-pro-abortion-brutality-gov-gretchen-whitmer-just-slashed-care-for-pregnant-women-from-michigans-budget/
Narrative >> Facts.
Our "journalists" are telling reality fan fiction, often with annoying self-insert characters.
Extreme reactions to 'unpopular' policy shifts are breathlessly reported by certain media outlets.
TNR, Dec. 2021: "WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE AND SUICIDE."
The Guardian, May 19, 2022: "SUICIDES INDICATE WAVE OF 'DOOMERISM' OVER ESCALATING CLIMATE CRISIS."
The Guardian posted the two suicides that have been publicly linked to this issue in the past four years, allowing them to say "wave" and "suicides". This ain't reporting, this is ginning.
"I'm sure their lives will be full and wondrous with dozens of future protests to attend and posters to carry."
And cats. Don't forget the cats.
Howard said...
These are the political brand of anecdotal stories you people can dismiss because they don't don't do anything to confirm your biases. Well done.
We had a young woman similar to this one as a secretary for a few months. The only difference was she was married. I wondered about the mental state of such a person. She was very pretty and seemed OK but after a few months we discovered she was stealing the payments that patients made to that office.
Howard sees nothing odd about such a person.
Blogger HistoryDoc said...
I think most people reading this drivel make the assumption that the doctors who refused to perform the surgery were men.
A few years ago, of the male OBGYN residents who finished the program at UCLA, not one had a job. This was after 6 months and that was the time this trend really affected the specialty.
I had the opposite problem, an Ob GYN who tried to talk me into getting my tubes tied.
My husband and I used NFP, had our first child after 3 years of marriage but then couldn’t get pregnant again. Adopted child #2 and continued practicing a lax form of NFP, usually avoiding the fertile period but sometimes not. After many years it seemed as though we were infertile so we’d become more lax, until we were surprised by a pregnancy when I was 44 years old (16 years after our first pregnancy.)
My doctor recommended that we plan a C-section and wanted to tie my tubes as well. I reminded him that I have a religious/moral objection to artificial contraception and he smirked and said something like, “Or we could do nothing and I’ll see you back next year when you’re pregnant again.”
It boggles my mind that GYN’s don’t understand enough about the female cycle to know how well NFP works when practiced correctly. I realize it’s not for everyone because it requires a committed couple to use discipline, but there’s an assumption among most of them that all of their patients should be using BC except during brief periods when they want to get pregnant. I had put up with this guys attitude for years but after that I switched to one of the few docs in the area who supported NFP even though her office was more than an hour away.
WAAAAALLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Beaverwatch 2022
We done been SMURF’d…
Have kids, ladies.
Life is long, but no so long that you will ever be able to teach your cats to talk.
The comments of DeAndra Childress, 33, medical technologist in Spring, Texas are just a little too perfect.
I think that she may be a creation of the author.
As noted in my comment posted at 11:34 am, I have experienced a high risk pregnancy (which also involved a period of financial uncertainty and a time we were dealing with another child’s mental health issue.)
I had also experienced fear of unplanned pregnancy when I was single, during a time before I returned to Catholicism and embraced the teachings on sexual morality and marriage.
But I can’t get my head around the degree of terror that these young women exhibit about pregnancy. Why are they so convinced that
A) Pregnancy is a life threatening condition rather than in most all cases, life giving
B) They have no agency in avoiding pregnancy and society wants to force it on them?
Six weeks to baby meets granny. Oh, the mystery, the humanity of it all! Abort! Abort!
"our Posterity"... the hardest job you will ever love by choice, ladies and gentlemen.
Good point about Planned Parenthood. Remember when they told us they weren't just about abortions? And as far as I know tubal ligation is legal in all 57 states.
Jesus Mike it sure is a convoluted way to pull a straw man out of your ass. Are we all better now?
Contraception in depth? Contraception in the extreme. Just do... fuck #HerToo, correct? A colossal failure.
tubal ligation is legal in all 57 states
I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit
- Barack "burden" Obama
It probably is. The human rights issue is self-abortion, self-corruption, etc., especially when tendered by government agents and medical licensees, and the imperative of civilized societies is to discourage murder (e.g. elective abortion) and other modes of social progress (e.g. pedophilia) in darkness, at the twilight fringe, and especially in the light. No "heroes".
Blogger CStanley said...
I had the opposite problem, an Ob GYN who tried to talk me into getting my tubes tied.
We had a policy to offer tubal ligation to women with 5 kids. It could be easily done after delivery. Most of these women were Hispanic (It was the County hospital) and would not be seen again until their next labor and delivery. California passed a law that the husband had to give consent so that was the end of that.
Leftists eliminating their ability to reproduce? Best news I've read all month.
Another great occasion to trot out "Your terms are acceptable."
Mark said... (sometimes, it's HARD to tell the marks apart)
Medical procedures require informed consent.
Really>? REALLY? REALLY??
What dream world are You living in?
When a little 12 year old girl is told to get, and then is given, puberty blockers and hormones..
You think she gave her "informed consent"?
(Let's ignore whether or not a 12 year COULD give informed consent)
Was she told that the process is irreversible? Was she told about the cancer risks?
Was she told about the near certainty of sterilization?
Or, was she told; "Don't tell your parents, George; They won't understand the pressures on a boy like you"
???
We are living in a world, where The Entire Point is UNinformed Consent
Is there a comprehensive survey of doctors that asks how many will or won't perform certain procedures for 'ethical reasons'?
I tell myself that there are any number of principled physicians who refuse to perform elective abortions, elective sterilizations, so-called 'gender re-assignment surgery', IVF procedures and so forth but of course I don't really know.
I once dated a labor & delivery nurse who also assisted in tubal litigations. When physicians wanted a woman sterilized for some reason, they'd casually call it "typing the tubes," as if there was single point restricting the flow of the egg with a single bit of thread and perhaps a slip knot. Not so, she told me. Each fallopian tube is cut in two places several inches apart and each is tied off. Making sure conception absolutely cannot occur is the goal. Making the procedure reversible is not. That also explains the unwillingness of many physicians to do this procedure on a young, single and unmarried woman. It is irreversible and permanent.
I would have thought it was called Gender Conformation surgery.
CStanley,
I am sorry for your experience with ob-gyns. Most of them are, indeed, impatient with NFP and reluctant to believe that it's anything but literal hocus-pocus.
Long, long ago (it was on USENET, at alt.talk.abortion, which ought to give you an idea about both the level of debate and the ratio of actual commentary to chaff -- the latter was around 1:50), I had a discussion with a woman who was using NFP -- not a Catholic, but rather Greek Orthodox. She said just what you did -- that it was difficult, demanding, and needed both partners to be fully committed, but also that it did work, and that she found it more spiritually fulfilling than any other way. She was brave to state that, in such a forum.
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