There had been some doubts cast on this story. A few days ago, I wrote:
Yes, I have been waiting to hear the name of the rapist and news of his arrest or details about a rape by an unknown man who has eluded arrest.... [W]e should all be demanding to see that the rapist of this 10-year-old girl be brought to justice. But perhaps the story was made up, and that's the reason we don't know the name and the fate of the rapist: There is no such person. Why would 6 weeks pass without medical attention when a 10-year-old child is raped? Here is an incident that should be immediately reported to the police. If it was not, then it must be that some man — perhaps a family member — was coercing the child to protect him. Is the child still dominated by this man? We should know a lot more about what happened. The need to make the trip from Cincinnati to Indiana is the least of it.
Now we see that a report was made on June 22.
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So not a hoax?
"Columbus police were made aware of the girl's pregnancy through a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother on June 22"
That is an oddly constructed sentence.
Mother refers to FCCS on 6/22.
OK, when were the police "made aware" of this? June 23? July 5th?
“Charged with impregnating”?
Is that a different crime than rape?
How does this jibe with recent announcements by Ohio Law enforcement, including the Ohio Attorney General, that there was no such rape, ten year old girl or report of a rape?
Has a doctor come forward to report a rape, which apparently wasn't previously reported?
Has Columbus PD found a report that it had been sitting on?
Has Dodd destroyed this girls life? Or has it destroyed the coverup of child rape?
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.
“Charges confirm story that has become abortion debate flash point
The criminal charges and testimony from the Columbus detective confirms the disturbing story that has become a key flash point in the national furor over the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
The Indianapolis Star, a Gannett sister paper of The Dispatch, first reported earlier this month that a 10-year-old rape victim traveled from Ohio to Indiana for abortion services after most abortions became illegal in her home state. The account was attributed to Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis physician who provides abortion services.”
The rapist is an illegal, which is probably why they've kept it quiet. My guess is that he's related in some way to the girl, or qt least qn acquaintance of the family, such as mom's boyfriend.
So the same abortionist activist chick did withhold the girl's condition from authorities in violation of law, like she has done before according to reports.
'So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.'
And you and your ilk were so quick to paint Trump as a Russian spy.
Shame on you folks.
Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?
Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
’ So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up.’
The story as presented at the time was bullshit. Parts still are. Why didn’t the doctor report the crime? She’s a mandatory reporter. And, the child could have had the abortion in Ohio because it fell within the statute. She didn’t need to travel to Indiana, so the main element of the original story remains bullshit.
"doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up"
Yes, because there was no corroboration until now. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, as they say. The "doctor" shut up after the first article. But to clarify, we didn't the story of the young girl, we doubted the activist who has been cited for failing to report similar things in the past, and we doubted her precisely because if what she said was true she owes it to the girl and the people of Indiana to come clean. I don't know what you are celebrating for! It's a horrific story that has taken far too long to be resolved, and it would have been better for all involved (except "the doctor") if the story was fake.
Your "ha ha she was raped and right wingers are stupid" pose is gruesome. You had no helpful facts to offer when we discussed it. We asked for proof. Here it is. Now prosecute the bastard.
"Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?"
No. That is exactly the point here. We were hoping it would prove false. Sadly it seems to be confirmed now, but only because skeptics pushed for confirmation. Skepticism used to be a healthy part of our culture and encouraged by the wise.
Swetnik - considering the hack press lie all the time, and there was no reporting on the rape... it's not hard to see why most thinking adults are wondering what the truth is...
Where is the rape kit? Who raped this girl. It took this long to find out?
Not that you care about Truth - Inga.
Althouse wrote, "If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
And you are honest enough to say so. That's why we right of center readers of your blog keep coming back.
Rape and incest occur when pregnancy deletes the baby so there is no evidence. Since this girl WAS raped, then why did the Ohio AG say he never heard of this story?? Why wasn't it reported to him in HIS state?? He also said this "Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception, broader than just the life of the mother. She — this young girl, if she exists and if this horrible thing actually happened to her, it breaks my heart to think about it — she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.”
So who is at fault for this, and was it used to attack the Ruling from the Supreme court??
Something is STILL fishy about this whole thing.
Althouse says..
Abortion is a woman's right
according to WHO?
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks."
LOL
Althouse: "Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?"
Nope. The democratical groomers would have let it slide just like how the democraticals like Inga cover for Hunter Biden trafficked girl use and the Epstein clients list never being made public.
Inga deserves scorn for not demanding to know who this alleged culprit was and why the arrest warrant took so long to be issued.
Inga is quite despicable in that way.
Looks like the rapist is an illegal alien.
Doing the jobs American won't do...
Althouse: "If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
Those are precisely the correct questions to ask...which is why Inga never asks them.
It also helps demonstrate why it is a Very Angry Inga called Althouse a "c***".
Gershon Fuentes, 27
Franklin County Municipal Court Judge Cynthia Ebner said the case did not warrant Fuentes —
who is believed to be undocumented — to be held without bond.
Also known as the girl's mother's boyfriend? Or Uncle?
Gotta LOVE the word "undocumented". I'm assuming the girl's ability to consent was ALSO "undocumented"?
An illegal alien rapist.
Boomerang. Biden used this story to underscore his pro-Catholic abortion promotion only to find the source of the problem was an illegal in the country because of Biden's open borders.
Althouse said...Abortion is a woman's right
I agree. It is a woman's right. Up until the second trimester. Then you are bordering on infanticide. Third trimester is just all out wrong. That right belongs to no one.
a referral by Franklin County Children Services that was made by her mother....Now we see that a report was made on June 22
Not good enough. Did the abortion-referring doctor make a report, or did the abortionist, as required by mandatory reporter laws?
Based on her birthday, likely still 9 when impregnated.
Althouse said......but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
I agree with this too.
Wonder how many young girls were impregnated on Epstein's island, and then were shipped back to the states for and all expenses paid trip to Planned Parenthood?
The mandatory reporters who failed to report likewise need to face legal sanctions.
Meanwhile, there is the BIG question of whose idea was it to get an abortion?
All the pro-abortionists are out there simply presuming that, of course she would abort, that she would want to abort.
Where is the indication that it was actually her choice rather than being pressured by others (including the County Children Services)?
Maybe she did not want to kill the life within her. Many victims of rape do not want to then become perpetrators themselves against other innocent victims.
There was another ten year old who got an abortion in indiana, though it's not clear when. The abortion doctor testified about it in a hearing before he lost his license.
He didn't report it and left it to the parents, who declined to press charges. Though legally I think it's not up to them!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/14/us/dr-ulrich-klopfer-fetal-remains.amp.html
"Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing."
A tool of the patriarchy? Could you elaborate? I mean, do you, Ann Althouse, so help you Dad, solemnly swear that you think "the patriarchy" is a thing? It has tools? Where is it? How much does it weigh? Am I, by any chance, part of it? Think of it, me, a Patriarch! This really is the land of opportunity!
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up.
Well the doctor does have a history of not reporting such incidents to police, and in this case, it was still the girl's mother that reported the incident. So, shame on you for supporting doctor's that hide cases of rape via abortion.
He was only arrested Tuesday?!?! So yeah, everyone was going to get the abortion and do nothing to make sure that other little girls wouldn't be victimized by him. That's ghastly.
Why did they go to Indiana? They could have had the abortion in Ohio because of the girl's age. Who is this man and what is his relationship to the girl and more importantly, the mom?
All of this is more important than the abortion, unless you're a partisan hack.
Shocked just shocked the perp is undocumented. Would be great if he could be deported to a prison in his home country.
Fewer than 1% of abortions annually are due to rape, but these comprise 100% of the discussion. Always. The ugly truth is that abortion has been normalized as birth control. The number of abortions has risen 1500% since roe v wade. Let’s not obsfucate what abortion is, the deliberate killing of human life. It is not “health care”, it is not “access,” it is not “choice.”
Franklin County Municipal Court Judge Cynthia Ebner said the case did not warrant Fuentes — who is believed to be undocumented — to be held without bond.
Wow. What a PERFECT suspect to tie up these loose ends. An illegal alien raping a ten-year-old girl. It plays perfectly to all sides' prejudice.
"If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
Well, I think the abortionists were supposed to report under-age pregnancies even when Roe was the law of the land. Are you trying to suggest that a patchwork of differing State abortion laws is a good idea, because it encourages psycho baby-killers to report psycho baby-rapers to news organizations? I have to admit, I'm not sure I always follow the intricacies of feminist thought. Does it matter whether the baby who was killed was female? I think we can posit that the 10-year-old who was raped was female. Unless some doctors had started her on testosterone pills, but then I guess she wouldn't have gotten pregnant, would she. Because males can't get pregnant. Oh, wait, they can now. Brave new world!
Shame on you folks.
Shame?
Who wanted it to be true, and who wanted it to be false?
Think on that.
The story was presented in such a way as to arouse skepticism. Maybe some good came of the skepticism....The pro-abortion people have a point. This girl should not have to jump through extra hoops to obtain an abortion.....I also wonder about the immigration status of the rapist. Is that a permissible question?
"Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?"
It certainly seems that the skepticism contributed to the motivation to "round up the usual suspects".
Questions still pending: Did this man, who is believed to be here illegally and whose identity is in question, and spoke through an interpreter, waive his right to an attorney? Was he properly informed of his rights and made a true confession freely?
Inga said...
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.
7/13/22, 12:13 PM
Because people like you make up such heinous lies, and the media report such lies as the truth that we don't believe or trust you any more.
None of these obvious things that should have been done were reported, just the sensational use of a purported atrocity to further an agenda, and only enough to further that narrative.
"If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
Not sure I follow. The crime came to light because the girl became pregnant. And presumably the parents reported it to the authorities. The parents would be less likely to report the crime if she could get the abortion in her home state? Why?
"So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks."
Yes, to question things, to insist on evidence, to engage in critical thinking, these things are indeed shameful.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
I don't know Ohio law, but I have read in connection with this story that some Ohio official says a 10-year-old rape victim could have legally obtained an abortion in Ohio. If that's true, then the obverse question arises -- was the abortion obtained in another state in some (perhaps misguided) effort to keep information about the underlying crime from Ohio law enforcement?
And I agree with Harun's observation above.
"Fuentes — who is believed to be undocumented"
"Undocumented". That's a quite a euphemism from the Columbus Dispatch.
And it may have something to do with why the rest of this story was covered up for so long.
I don't know I find it more disturbing the thought of a young girl victimized twice having to go through the rape and then having to go through an abortion and then living with that for the rest of her life. That's my concern. I understand that making political points is a huge concern to most people here... good luck with that.
Why the delay in the arrest? Could it be because the guy is an illegal alien? From the newspaper, " who is believed to be undocumented."
They newspaper can't even print the words "illegal alien."
"Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?"
I was one of those who thought this had hoax written all over it. I'm still not sure it's not, to be honest. But...My first thought was that had this not been an illegal immigrant, would there have been a person named sooner? If not for the pressure built up to let everyone know that This Was Not A Hoax. Our governmental offices and media do go through hoops to offer cover for both their narratives and the illegal immigrant population.
And now we have the perfect storm. An illegal alien raping and impregnating a small child. It has happened plenty, but this one will now get national coverage- Maybe. And a small child in need of an abortion due to rape. We have the best of both worlds.
Maybe the mother should be asked and Child services. Of course, they are part of the Patriarchy. In any case, i don't think a drive to Indiana for an abortion was a massive hardship.
Anyway, I see the MSM is johnnie on the spot with their standard propaganda blitz. We have 15,000 murders every year, but if one white cop shoots a black man, we get world-wide coverage for weeks. We have how abortions every year? Millions? Yet if one girl can't get her abortion in one state, world-wide coverage.
Inga- Do I understand you correctly? You are actually glad a 10 year old was raped because it allows you to make a talking point against pro-life people?
is it possible that the true villain here is the rapist? It seems like this girl is getting the abortion that she needs. How about we now figure out how the rape could have been, you know, prevented so that other 10 year olds don't have to go through that and the horror of having an abortion.
The ghoulishness of the Progressives is astounding. Let's celebrate her abortion!!!!
“A Columbus man…”.
Note the intentional deception: it seems the suspect is an illegal alien. He does NOT “belong” in OR to Columbus. By using their phrasing, you are mislead into believing the suspect is part of our community, our country. He isn’t.
Send them all home.
You are definitely not in tune with todays narrative,Professor.
You are supposed to be exulting in triumph over the total vindication of the doctor, not asking difficult questions about why nobody "knew nothing" untill she decided the story would make a great PR coup. Did she ever make a report to the police?
An analysis of Columbus police reports filed since May 9 found 50 reports of rape or sexual abuse involving a person 15 years or younger. That number of reports may also be underreported because of restrictions on public records related to reports initiated by mandated reporters. The report involving the 10-year-old girl falls into that category.
50+ reports of girls being raped in Columbus in the last two months?! Our problems in this country run far deeper than abortion.
"....but it is also a tool of the patriarchy....."
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For entirely self-centered reasons, of course, millions of us men do not see lowlife rapists as being members of "the patriarchy".
If that's how you see us, you have a problem.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
This.
In the effort to worship at the alter of abortion, the left has excused and covered serious crimes through the process of avoiding parental notification, and the failure to report known child rape.
The child did not have bodily integrity, and she did not gain it by being forced by her abuser to get an abortion. Who are the real monsters, the child rapist, or the people who cover up the crime so that abortion is seen as clean and anti-septic, used by upstanding people who just want reproductive autonomy?
The road to liberal utopia is paved with the broken and abused bodies of the underclass, quite often female children.
A Fox News regular on Outnumbered remarked that her background was criminal law and there are more "monsters" out there than is generally known.
I suppose part of it is that there's a privacy issue for kids. And if there are a lot, then there's a familiarity issue so that it's not worth reporting...another one.
I have heard that Planned Parenthood is routinely accused of failing to report. The doctor(s) in this case are mandatory reporters. Did they report? Is failing to report a crime?
Heard that Ohio has exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother and a "heartbeat" requirement. So why Indiana?
would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?
I wonder this too. If all this arguing on this story brings justice to some 10 yr old, and prevents this guy from doing it again, it will be a good outcome!
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
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Professora : clearly pre-Dobbs Planned Parenthood was quite capable to hiding such crimes??!!
also it is also a tool of the patriarchy/Eugenics/Organ-parts selling etc.
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.
Even if THIS story wasn't true, it would have been true soon enough (we live in a depraved world). So everyone will have to confront this sooner or later: what do you do with a young impregnated girl? Do people really want to criminalize an abortion in this case?
Ann Althouse said...
>Abortion...is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.<
Is there some history or evidence to support that seemingly wild claim?
>If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light...?
It would have if mandated reporters abided by their reporting mandate - a reporting mandate that exists with or without Roe.
On the other hand, there's this, which supports the case that the story is a hoax. The report also notes, “Ohio has a medical emergency section, broader than just the life of the mother. This young girl, if she exists and if this horrible thing actually happened to her… she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.”
I'd say there's plenty of doubt to go around about this story either way, but as usual certain suspects will not entertain any doubts that cloud the narrative. Why wait around for the facts to confuse everyone?
so Republican pounce and step on rake ++++ clumsy fools
And Didymus said when he was told they had seen Jesus "unless I see the nail marks in His hands and put my finger where the nails were and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.
Yup blessed are those who have not seen yet believe. The world is full of doubting Thomas's. It has always been.
As soon as this supposed rumor came out, why did the police detective in charge of the case not inform the State DA so that eh could avoid getting egg on his face? As soon as the DA announced that he does not know of any case, the detective should have been on the phone. Then there would not have been the follow-up messaging:
Yost doubled down on that in an interview with the USA TODAY Network Ohio bureau on Tuesday, saying that the more time passed before confirmation made it "more likely that this is a fabrication."
He based his assessment on the lack of confirmation by police authorities. It was a reasonable thing to do given that there was an effort made to confirm the rumor and no confirmation was forthcoming.
“Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.”
pa·tri·arch·y
/ˈpātrēˌärkē/
noun: patriarchy
a system of society or government in which the father or eldest male is head of the family and descent is traced through the male line.
I doubt many fathers wish to facilitate the rape of their 10-year-old daughters.
Also, “tool of the patriarchy” has become just another tiresome shibboleth of feminism.
There is a reporter at PJ Media who had been covering this story and just a few days ago declared she felt people should regard the story as a hoax. This is the danger when reporters report conclusions and not just the facts. All that being said, this development is still odd when compared with the public statements of the Ohio Attorney General just a few days ago.
It did seem too good to be true. An abortion in this case would not have been illegal in Ohio in this situation, so having to go to Indiana was unnecessary. The abortionist is a well known activist who has been known to "exaggerate" in the past. Finally, if this occurred the abortionist was required by law to report it as it almost certainly would have been the result of sexual abuse, and no such report was made. The abortionist then refused to talk to the press.
So the argument is it was either a hoax or the abortionist was breaking the law. Assuming this is the same girl the abortionist is talking about, then apparently the abortionist was breaking the law. So there you go. Tentatively, it is not a hoax, but the abortionist is a criminal. That's marginally better, I suppose.
No apologies forthcoming, Inga. The abortionist is still a terrible person.
Isn't 10 a little early for pregnancy.
I will doubt any story that does not have corroborating evidence. Originally, the story given was unsupported by any evidence at a time of great controversy over abortion access. Apparently, the rape crime was not reported to police at the time of the rape as the girl was 9 years old when she was raped. The abortion had already taken place before police were notified. Police can only act upon activity of which they are aware. If the rape was only made public to protest abortion bans and not for the crime, then the reporting doctor and the abuse counselor need at least an investigation. Currently, the Ohio AG says the abortion could have been legally performed in Ohio without any need to travel to Indiana.
I am wondering that someone might have been covering covering up this case because the alleged rapist is an illegal immigrant. For the past two decades, illegal immigrants have been protected in many instances in this country for breaking the law, especially in “ sanctuary cities”. It seems in those cases that their being in this country illegally trumps most any crime that they commit and that the illegal immigrant must be protected at all costs. I hope that is not the case with the alleged rapist in this case but I wouldn’t be surprised. Whoever protected this alleged rapist, whether it’s the doctor who first diagnosed the pregnancy, the abortionist who directed the child to an out of state clinic, Franklin County Children’s Services, or anyone else with knowledge of the rape of a 10 year old girl needs to be charged with covering up this rape, particularly if they were protecting the illegal immigrant who allegedly raped this girl.
The Columbus Dispatch has the story that states the alleged rapist is an illegal immigrant:
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/07/13/columbus-man-charged-rape-10-year-old-led-abortion-in-indiana/10046625002/
Something is still not right. Ohio Law allows for exceptions such as rape, health of the mother, etc. This was confirmed by the Ohio Attorney General.
Seems nobody can figure out why the girl had to leave Ohio to get an abortion in Indy.
A HIPPA complaint has also been filed against activist Dr. Caitlin Bernard. As a doctor, are you allowed to yell from the rooftops you just performed and abortion on a 10-year-old girl. Isn’t that a private medical matter which only the girl or her guardians are allowed to divulge?
I guess post-COVID it’s now “ahhh whatever… HIPPA SHMIPPA.”
This still feels set up.
Fuentes is not believed to be in the country legally and there are questions about his identity.
What's this? Shame on those who allow people into this country illegally to rape children. Protect our borders to protect our children.
Inga,
The shame should be directed toward the people who wanted this story to be true. You might ponder that.
There are more girls 10-14 who have babies than have abortions, sad to say. And in most states, statutory rape is a crime if the girl is 14 or under. Has anyone investigated how many cases of incest/rape involving girls under 14 are prosecuted and whether prosecution is more likely if the girl has become pregnant and, if so, if she has an abortion or if she continues the pregnancy? It may be that the police do not do an adequate job of investigation these crimes even when 10 and 11 years olds give birth.
Looks like the rapist is an illegal alien.
And that might be the answer to my question earlier. It might have been more important for the local police chief to protect the foreigner than to protect the 10 (9 at rape time?) year old girl. Can anyone say Rotherham?
More bodies for the pavement.
Ann,
Please define "the patriarchy" as specifically as you can.
Thanks
Why did it take a national uproar for the community to hear about this vicious sexual assault against a child? If it weren't for the doubters, nobody would ever have known.
"Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy"
Is this statement competition for ""Why are the letters 'NIG' on the child's pajamas?". I think its in the running.
"Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
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When the story came out, people noted that the abortionist who reported it was legally bound by Ohio law to notify the police if she knew or suspected that a crime had been committed. She apparently hadn't.
Isn't it....odd....that "the patriarchy" imposed this requirement? After all, wouldn't it want to (wink wink) hide its crimes?
Inga, shame on you for believing that people should jump to conclusions prior to evidence. There is no harm, and much benefit, in waiting.
This is such a confusing story. Apparently, the girl was impregnated on or before May 12th. We don't know when her birthday was but apparently Ohio law prevents abortions after 6 weeks with no exceptions, but we don't know whether she was 9 or 10. This is unclear. And Roe was overturned on June 24th, 2 days after the FCCS was notified of this situation. Why wasn't an abortion scheduled between June 22-24th? Why was there no time period after overturning Roe for the "new laws" taking effect? How accurate are these estimations of date of pregnancy? We don't know if she was 9 or 10 but we do know that she was passed the Ohio law for abortions? It is seriously 6 weeks and not one minute longer than some guessed at date. Did the abortion doctor do her due diligence and report this to Indiana authorities as apparently required? Or was she more concerned about abortion rights than rapists running loose?
She just turned 10 so she was impregnated when she was !?!?
Police should be provided with abortifacients(day after) pills offer to every woman making a rape report. End of 'what if' scenarios.
Likewise Mayra Flores' and many others' reports of child rapes and sex trafficking of underage migrants requiring Biden's flying, busing and driving the kiddies to get abortions? Consequences for Catholic kids getting raped and aborted? Priceless.
It is uncontroversial that rape... rape-rape is sex without consent, a mode of involuntary exploitation, and under the black letter law of the Constitution, slavery is an unconstitutional practice. That said, this is not so-called rape culture, it is not sex with day after regrets, it is social progress in some minority religions, an elective abortion would be her choice until baby meets granny at six weeks. Rape is a crime committed against the individual and society. However, it is an edge case, which was ironically established by abortionists with ill intentions.
I can't find it right now, but I believe Ohio Attorney General David Yost stated in an interview on Fox News last night that the young girl would have been permitted to have an abortion in Ohio under the state's medical exception rules.
So whether her guardians were not aware of that fact or there were some other factors at play here seems to be unknown at this point. I also saw a report that she may have been "forced" to go to Indiana, but this also is unclear.
Anyway, I'm glad to see this scumbag was identified and arrested. Here's hoping some Soros DA doesn't let him out.
"Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy"
Masculinists. Feminists, too. Normal men and women seek to discourage, even punish, aberrant behavior, especially when there are children involved, and girls specifically.
Classic hustle.
Unbelievable story. Lay low without comment. Wait a week. Spring the trap.
I doubt many fathers wish to facilitate the rape of their 10-year-old daughters.
Also, “tool of the patriarchy” has become just another tiresome shibboleth of feminism.
It was the prolifers who spread the story of the father in Maryland bringing his daughter in for abortions, multiple times, no questions asked. Is this the kind of thing pro-aborts want to protect?
And now we have HIPAA (not "HIPPA") which makes things clear as mud.
And "tool of the patriarchy" is brilliant because it shows that the issue cuts both ways. How often has easy access to abortion been used to cover the misdeeds of fathers, uncles, brothers, because you know we wouldn't want to ruin their lives by going to the police? So, it's all kept confidential, strictly hush-hush.
We'll never know, but all you have to do is revisit literature, like Proust, Dostoevsky, Mann, to recall of man's lust for the innocent. That certainly hasn't changed.
There are diverse precedents to support sacrifice, corrupt of a girl, a baby, perhaps a boy, even a woman or man, for social, redistributive, clinical, political, and fair weather causes. One step forward, two steps backward.
What catches my attention is they have DNA from the aborted fetus???
I'm not the tiniest bit ashamed for having doubted this story. There were so many problems (and still are a few), there was an astonishing lack of evidence to confirm. I'm genuinely surprised - and not ashamed to be surprised - that it turns out to have been grounded in reality.
"Abortion is a woman's right"
She said without evidence....
Abortion is the classic example of liberals creating a "right" out of thin air by simply stating it and repeating it over and over, with no particularly good reasoning other than the feeling that their ought to be a right because that's how they feel.
"... and how many other such crimes have been hidden?"
Plenty, based on the State of Indiana complaints that this child murderer and others like her have been failing to report as they are required to do. I'm sure this vile, evil woman thinks she's doing a good thing with her "civil disobedience".
Is there a Columbus suburb called "Rotherham"?
Seems that things are the same in both places....
There is plentiful video evidence of abortion staff counseling (investigators posing as) pimps on getting confidential abortions for underage sex workers.
Now that the rapist has been identified, easy to identify the child. Rapist gonna be connected to family somehow.
Hopefully the pro choice people will resist trotting her out to make speeches.
"During the hearing, Dr. Klopfer told the story of an abortion he performed at a hospital on a 10-year-old girl who had been raped by her uncle."
Statement against interest yet.
A story about another ten yr old getting an abortion.
Menarche is now 10 or under? When and how did that happen? I may be old, but didn't that have a mean age of 13-15 in the past? That was the thing I wondered about the original story.
I stayed away from commenting on the possible hoax because there were just too many questions. There could have been a kernel of truth in the reporting and one doesn't like to look stupid any more than is necessary or unavoidable.
Then I saw that Megan Fox at PJ Media was taking the lead on busting the hoax and I decided that it just might be a true story because I figured out a few years ago that Megan Fox at PJ Media is a vigorous self-promoter and a serial liar who has a platform she does not deserve.
That's just my opinion. I could tell you why but it would take too much work.
I still don't believe the abortion took place in Indiana, and I doubt there was a pregnancy, still. The rape accusations seem legit now that someone filed an actual complaint and someone was arrested.
If abortion is a tool of the patriarchy, why are many of the people who are most often accused of being the driving force of the patriarchy (i.e. those deplorable white males in the republican party) are also those accused of being the driving force of the anti-abortion wagon.
Abortion doc is a mandatory reporter. For whatever reason, she determined not to report this rape.
Local clinics are also mandatory reporters. Doc knew that a mandatory report from a local clinic would raise questions as to why she didn't report.
So she sent the young girl out of state, in an attempt to confound any linkage with her non-reporting.
Then she made a big deal out of it, but it didn't occur to her in time that she was now risking her license. Oops.
LOL.
If I had the time or interest, I'd go back and look at what our friend Inga had to say about the Covington kids, Jessie Smollett, or any number of these hoaxes when they first broke.
Shame, indeed.
Abortion is a woman's right....
I guess I missed the explanation why a woman has this right. For 50 years, it was 'a woman has a constitutional right'; now, 'she has a right'.
LilyBart said...
"Do people really want to criminalize an abortion in this case?"
Well, that is an interesting question. Which is to say, a difficult question. If your reason for thinking abortion should not occur, is that you regard abortion as murder, it is hard to see how the fact that the mother is 10 years old, or was impregnated by rape, has any bearing on the matter. Especially the latter. Are we going to require a rape conviction before a woman can get an abortion? Or will we allow the abortion whenever rape is alleged, with or without naming the rapist? That would kind of make the whole question moot, wouldn't it.
Inga said...
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.
Th idiots get their say, of course. The report I've seen was that the mother reported this to the Department of Child Services, which then sat on the case because an illegal alien was involved. No exam or rape kit, so no prosecution. Then this alien confesses ! What the hell is that about ? I am still skeptical of the whole story.
"Isn't it....odd....that "the patriarchy" imposed this requirement? After all, wouldn't it want to (wink wink) hide its crimes?"
Well, it's not clear which side the Patriarchy (TM) is on here. The Patriarchy(TM) does like to have its way with women, but it also sees women as tools, to be used to produce additional humans, so it opposes abortion. I think we can be fairly sure that the Patriarchy (TM) will infallibly take the side that Althouse disfavors, just as soon as she has had time to decide which side that is. Unless, of course, she changes her mind. We may not be able to say with certainty what a woman is, but we know one when we see one, and we know that she has certain rights. Specifically, the right to have it both ways, and the right to change her mind.
So many here were so quick to doubt the story of this young girl and accuse the doctor of making it all up. Shame on you folks.
When Glenn Kessler at WaPo said wrote that there was no corroborating evidence for this incident, at that point was it too soon to suggest that it was probably all nonsense? I'm not one of those who, immediately he sees certain names or bylines, presumes that the text following is more or less bullshit but experience has taught that in some instances the probabilities are higher than in others. (Although it's quite true some people who write in public I just don't read.)
Scotty, beam me up... said...
I am wondering that someone might have been covering covering up this case because the alleged rapist is an illegal immigrant. For the past two decades, illegal immigrants have been protected in many instances in this country for breaking the law, especially in “ sanctuary cities”
Which is precisely what I was wondering. So I looked.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/sanctuary-policies/10-largest-sanctuary-cities-united-states
Columbus Ohio is a "sanctuary city". So the rape was reported to CPW on 6/22. The girl apparently identified her rapist, and said it happened more than once.
No Ohio rape kit. No Ohio DNA testing. Apparently DNA testing done on the aborted baby, but in Indiana, not Ohio, where the crime was reported, at least to CPS.
Cops don't arrest until 20 days after CPS is informed.
What took so long? Did various gov't officials try to hush things up because the rapist is an illegal alien, and he'd get deported if convicted?
He apparently raped her multiple times. Anyone think that no more rapes would have happened if he had NOT been arrested?
I really hope the Republican AG digs into this, hard. Pulls up the whole timeline, and prosecutes anyone who slow-rolled any of this, from mandated reporter doctors to CPS to the Columbus cops.
If Dobbs was issued on 6/24, why couldn’t the victim have had an abortion on 6/22? Definitely need to withhold judgment until more facts come in.
Columbus a Sanctuary City? Just google the term. Or Duck Duck Go for more truthful responses.
Pro Tip: frequent phrase from the search engine returns... "Just short of declaring itself a Sanctuary City". So... not really about underage abortion so much. Big tip as to why no prosecutions. Due dilligence!
"Unimaginable abortion stories will become more common. Is American journalism ready?" writes Nieman Lab. "Countless other stories will never be told."
What we know for sure is that countless stories went untold about abortion practices under Roe.
ElPresidenteCastro said...
How does this jibe with recent announcements by Ohio Law enforcement, including the Ohio Attorney General, that there was no such rape, ten year old girl or report of a rape?
No one in Columbus Ohio apparently took any rape kit DNA samples of the girl. So there was nothing for the State AG to find.
Apparently they did take DNA samples from the aborted baby, In Indiana. Absent all the reporting, one seriously wonders whether those samples would have ever made their way back to the Columbus Ohio police.
Has Dodd destroyed this girls life? Or has it destroyed the coverup of child rape?
Ann Althouse said...
Would this arrest have been made if all the pressure hadn't built up?
Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy and a way of hiding the evidence of great wrongdoing.
If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern.
You are right to be concerned, both of you.
My beliefs:
1: No, no arrest would ever have been made if pressure hadn't built up
2: "Forty-eight consumer complaints have been filed against nine Indiana abortion doctors who have allegedly failed to follow the legal reporting requirements to protect young children from sex abuse. The doctors are: Jeffrey Glazer, Caitlin Bernard, Cassandra Cashman, Carol Dellinger, Mandy Gittler, Kathleen Glover, Martin Haskell, Resad Pasic and Sarah Turner. They are employed at all licensed Indiana abortion facilities"
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/11/abortion-doctor-at-heart-of-shes10-viral-horror-story-was-accused-of-failing-to-report-underaged-abortions-against-state-law-in-2018-n1611899
One of the right wing undercover expose sites did an investigation a couple of years ago, and found Planned Parenthood employees working hard to cover up abortions forgers who were under the age of consent. So the answer is "hundreds to thousands of rapes a year" have been covered up by abortion providers.
I am really hoping that this can bust open the "code of silence" protecting abortion "doctors" who fail to act as mandated reporters
TheOne Who Is Not Obeyed said...
creating a "right" out of thin air by simply stating it and repeating it over and over, with no particularly good reasoning other than the feeling that their ought to be a right because that's how they feel.
isn't THAT? THE Definition of stare decisis?? You want it So Bad, that it MUST BE true?
When Biden first old us the story, I thought the young girl might be Ashley who got preggers as a result of one of those "inappropriate" showers with "Pedo Peter." And Joe revealing the story was some kind of Dostoevskian urge-to-confess thing.
In any event, let's assume you were hearing the story for the first time, from a chronic liar (Dementia Joe) , and promulgated by an idiot (Inga). Would you be inclined to believe it, or not?
That's what I thought.
@Tim McGuire "So not a hoax?"
Yes. It's a hoax. There was no 10-year-old and there was no abortion. The illegal alien patsy has already disappeared (he's already been let go with ZERO bond as "not a flight risk").
Biden can now claim it happened without the messy trails or evidence needed.
It's good to have a few million disposable people at ... well ... your disposal.
Won't move the needle one tiny bit. We're not negotiating with you people. Period.
The one scenario that might convince me the entire story was true is this- the doctor referred this out of state in order to avoid informing the police herself.
Stephen said...
If Dobbs was issued on 6/24, why couldn’t the victim have had an abortion on 6/22? Definitely need to withhold judgment until more facts come in.
That's a start. Here's some more:
The abortion claim hit the news 7/1, 9 days after the rape was supposedly reported to Child Protective Services. Dr. Caitlin Bernard supposedly got called about the case 6/27, which would be 5 days after the report, and 3 days after Dobbs was released. Her claim was the girl had to come to Indiana because Ohio banned abortions after 6 weeks, and she was 3 days too late
1: So, she got the call 3 days after Dobbs. Was it "3 days too late" because the pregnancy was well along, obviously illegal under Ohio law once Dobbs came out 3 days ago?
Ohio has a "heartbeat" law, not a "6 week limit". So there's no "three days too late", unless they were monitoring every day for a heartbeat, and just happened to get one on the day Dobbs was released. That makes no sense unless it's "three days too late" because 3 days after Dobbs, NOT 3 days after a heartbeat was detected
6 weeks is 42 days. Add 3 for the "three days too late" (I'm pretending here that the reporting was honest), and we're up to 45 days before 6/27. Subtract 14 because the "42 days" is measured from the start of her last period, not the day she got pregnant. Which puts the rape back around May 27.
2: Why was the rape not reported until ~25 days after it happened? Were her parents covering up her rape until she got pregnant?
3: Esxacly how many time WAS she raped by this guy before he was finally arrested?
jim5301 said...
"If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
Not sure I follow. The crime came to light because the girl became pregnant. And presumably the parents reported it to the authorities. The parents would be less likely to report the crime if she could get the abortion in her home state? Why?
Nothing was done about the crime until public pressure was brought. 20 days between when it was reported to CPS (2 days before Dobbs came out), and when the illegal alien rapist was arrested in Sanctuary city Columbus Ohio.
Who was the doctor they took her to in Indiana? Why, one who's previously been accused to covering up underage abortions.
But I'm sure she wouldn't have covered up this one
/sarc
Jersey Fled said...
I can't find it right now, but I believe Ohio Attorney General David Yost stated in an interview on Fox News last night that the young girl would have been permitted to have an abortion in Ohio under the state's medical exception rules.
Jesse Watters Primetime
Hop over to the 16:00 mark, the AG tells us that:
Ohio's law has a "medical Emergency Exception.. Broader than just the life of the mother.. She did NOT have to leave Ohio to find treatment"
Howard said...
I don't know I find it more disturbing the thought of a young girl victimized twice having to go through the rape and then having to go through an abortion and then living with that for the rest of her life. That's my concern. I understand that making political points is a huge concern to most people here... good luck with that.
How many more times would she have been raped if "right wing" pressure hadn't been brought to bear, causing the illegal alien rapist to finally be arrested?
(Note, he's apparently been here 7 years, so he's a 2015 Obama rapist, not a Biden rapist)
How many other illegal alien rapists are the Columbus police / CPS covering for? Do you want to protect their victims?
Or do they not matter to you until they make it into the press?
Here's a list of people who should be crucified. Lacking that, should have their lives destroyed:
1: Any person who does or facilitates an abortion for a girl under the age of consent, without reporting it to the police to try to get the rapist
2: Any gov't employee who fails to look into, report, or make a referral / arrest of a crime because the criminal is an illegal alien who could be deported
3: Anyone who helps either of the first two
Here's hoping the splash from this case moves things in that direction
What proof is there that Dr. Caitlin Barnard didn’t report the rape to police? What proof is there that the colleague or agency that referred this 10 year old to her didn’t report the rape to police? Still so many unfounded assertions by people who supposedly pride themselves on being skeptical. Why assume that the people who were involved after the mother reported the rape to FCCS didn’t report the rape to police? Why place all the responsibility for reporting the rape on Dr.Barnard? Could it be that Dr. Barnard already knew that the rape had been reported? Why assume that the doctor was trying to protect the rapist?
"Isn't 10 a little early for pregnancy."
My parent began menarche at 9. So no. Girls are going into puberty earlier and earlier now.
And when the parent's away, the boys will prey.
I really hope the Republican AG digs into this, hard.
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he has already stepped on rake and face-planted hard by calling this 'in effect a hoax' instead of ordering investigation much earlier
Predicted
"If Dr. Barnard is intelligently devious, the story is true and she is withholding the facts until we all get in an uproar, including right wing news sites and spokesmen, then she springs the trap and brings out the kid, and/or the police report.
7/10/22, 8:57 AM Delete
gilbar said...
Althouse says..
Abortion is a woman's right
according to WHO?
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@gilbar ==== according to each and every woman; just as freedom was right according to every enslaved person since the declaration and before and forever
I noticed this thread after returning from vacation. It had a very personal meaning for me.
I grew up with a childhood friend S whose extended family I was close to. They seemed to be a very normal second generation Mexican-American family of entrepreneurs (And gasp, Republicans!).
We dated when in our early 20's and she told me that her father started raping her when she was 11 years old. The same thing happened to her (equally gorgeous) younger sister.
The younger sister became pregnant at 15 and had an abortion. She later became a crack addict and had kids from different men before she died in her 20's. By that time S had found peace as a lesbian (amazing how many sexually abused girls become lesbians) and adopted her sisters two kids.
I am not sure how relevant this is to the thread, but it is clear to me that very young girls are sexually abused and that abortion is (in my mind) an appropriate response. However, it doesn't solve the problems leading to the destruction of these kids. IOW, abortion is not the only response, although it is very convenient for all the adults involved.
Who posts bond for an illegal alien who confesses to raping children? Is he likely to skip bond. Did someone pay him to confess and skip bond? Is the judge in on it?
This entire story smells like liberal feminism taken to its 'logical' conclusion.
Patriarchy, indeed. The system run and influence by liberal values fails a child. But let's blame white guys. Makes sense to me, if I'm in delusional land.
No thanks.
But like most of the tragic stories, the facts may never even be know. the inconvenient facts. usually involving leftist theories that produce nothing but injured kids, destroyed adults.
Just another example of a failed legal system, that most of us stopped cooperating with and supporting decades ago.
When the BS concocted in the faculty lounge-men can get pregnant, what is a woman, etc, escapes into real life, people get hurt. sometimes badly.
how many people have to be destroyed to justify the liberal urge for a 'perfect society'. apparently that number is infinite.
When it comes time to bring the torches to burn it all down, I hope someone follows the bread crumbs to the local citadel of learning.
Could it be that Dr. Barnard already knew that the rape had been reported? Why assume that the doctor was trying to protect the rapist?
So many speculations from our dull normal commenter.
I am pro-choice and have no dog in the ideological fight, but I still won't believe this unless this guy is convicted and then deported. I predict this story will disappear like tears in the rain.
Very possible the rape is real but the pregnancy was not.
Boy, that PatriarchyTM is so powerful. This would not possibly have something to do with Columbus Ohio being "Sanctuary City" would it? This story is bizarre for several reasons. That abortionist in Indiana has been accused (convicted?) of failing to report under age abortions. Are laws about that being enforced ?
I am not sure how relevant this is to the thread, but it is clear to me that very young girls are sexually abused and that abortion is (in my mind) an appropriate response. Not the whole response. Convict the rapist of rape, for one thing.
I have had some experience with this. In Burbank CA I was asked to see a 12 year old for possible appendicitis. When I reported to the GP, I mentioned that I had done a rectal on her because of her age. He said, "Don't worry about it. She has had an abortion." Middle class family in 1972.
In 1967, I saw a 9 year old who had had appendicitis 6 months before and had surgery in Sacramento, CA. The pediatric residents (female by the way) convinced themselves that she must have PID, an acronym for venereal disease, and had therefore been raped by an uncle who lived with the family. I called the hospital in Sacramento (a pet peeve with the EHR) and learned that she had had an appendiceal abscess drained. Her appendix was still present and had flared up again. That is common with a prior perforated appy. I took out her appendix and solved the problem, for her and the poor uncle.
I hate the EHR because hospital no longer keep medical records, even when legally required to.
“Very possible the rape is real but the pregnancy was not.”
What do you base that on?
Serious Question, for Everyone who thinks Abortion is THE RIGHT step when dealing with child rape
I assume, that you ALL are in favor of the death penalty for the rapist too? not just his child?
If NOT.. Why NOT? IF a 10 year old being raped is SO HORRIBLE, that the baby should be killed..
What about the Rapist? What DO you think is The Right punishment for someone that RAPES a 10 year old?
Narayanan said...
just as slavery was right according to every slave owning person since the declaration and before and forever
fify!
Narayanan said...
I really hope the Republican AG digs into this, hard.
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he has already stepped on rake and face-planted hard by calling this 'in effect a hoax' instead of ordering investigation much earlier
He ordered an investigation much earlier. And the answer came back that NO local cops told him they were investigating a rape of a 10 year old, and no one had sent any rape kits in from 10 year olds.
The DNA testing is supposedly being done in Indiana, so he was right about that one. He was also right that the State SHOULD have received a test kit. but that would have required the rape to be reported to the police when it happened, not weeks later.
Unless he's lying about the Columbus police NOT reporting the case to the State, HE did not step on any rakes.
But in that case, he was lied to / obstructed. So he should be ripping the hell out of the Columbus PD.
Swetnik - we assume your democrat media are liars and your guy Biden is a liar... and all the corrupt a-holes in between.
eat it.
"The illegal alien patsy has already disappeared (he's already been let go with ZERO bond as "not a flight risk")."
Where do you get information that is that wrong?
Inga said...
What proof is there that Dr. Caitlin Barnard didn’t report the rape to police?
Well, it would be the part where she was asked about that, and refused to answer.
What proof is there that the colleague or agency that referred this 10 year old to her didn’t report the rape to police?
Rape reported to CPS on 6/22
OH Dr Calls IN Dr on 6/27
Cops don't arrest guy until 7/12
Guy apparently confessed when contacted by the cops
There's 15 days between the call to IN and the arrest. Why?
Also: Again, the OH aboriton Dr refused to say anything to questioners about "was this reported to the police?" As they are both mandated reporters, with ethical Drs there would have been this conversation "I need to to do an abortion on a 10 year old girl. Ok, have you reported it to the cops? Yes, I told the Columbus PD on 6/24"
In which case the In abortion Dr could answer those questions
Still so many unfounded assertions by people who supposedly pride themselves on being skeptical
Nope, entirely well founded
Why assume that the people who were involved after the mother reported the rape to FCCS didn’t report the rape to police?
Because they weren't willing to say they did, and people generally dont' refuse to say when they've done the morally and legally correct things
Why place all the responsibility for reporting the rape on Dr.Barnard? Could it be that Dr. Barnard already knew that the rape had been reported? Why assume that the doctor was trying to protect the rapist?
She's a mandated reporter, which means we're not putting the responsibility on her, she put it on herself when she took the job.
If she knew, then she could and should have said that. She refused
Because she's been caught failing to report rapes before. And because silence in that case DOES protect rapists
She willingly dove into the political arena. Therefore she gets no benefit of the doubt, and no assumption of good faith. It's her job to establish that she did the right thing
As she refused to do so, she was and is quite properly looked on with great suspicion
“The timeline laid out in the police testimony matches the account provided by Dr. Caitlin Bernard, the OB/GYN who first told The Star about the case.
“It’s always shocking to me that people are surprised to hear about these stories,” Dr. Bernard said in an interview with The New York Times. “The fact that anyone would question such a story is a testament to how out of touch lawmakers and politicians are with reality.”
Dr. Bernard said such stories were unfortunately not as rare as people might think, and noted that she cared for her first underage rape victim early on in her medical residency. She has since helped several families navigate pregnancy after a child is raped, she said.
More than 7,000 girls age 14 or younger were pregnant nationwide in 2013, according to a report by the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights. About half of those pregnancies were terminated through abortion, according to Guttmacher.”
link
Let’s not forget that the major element of this story is Biden saying she was forced to travel to another state to get an abortion because of the reversal of Roe v. Wade. That claim remains unproven.
Mark: "There is plentiful video evidence of abortion staff counseling (investigators posing as) pimps on getting confidential abortions for underage sex workers."
Which begs this question: Have any of Hunter Biden's underage trafficked prostitutes gotten pregnant by him and been forced to get an abortion by their traffickers?
And remember, Inga has emphatically stated the Biden family is a completely "normal" family.
And that was after all the Hunter tapes and videos were made public and Dementia Joe's own daughter claimed "Pedo Pete" (Hunter's very own name for his very own father) showered naked with her for years.
So again, after all that, Inga pronounced this family completely "normal".
I wonder if this child has a legal guardian or parent here. The news story is very vague. We have a real problem with trafficking in Ohio. So much so, the state requires I watch a video about it every time I renew my license so I can better recognize trafficked persons. They bring minors in from South America and Mexico and make them work in the agricultural industry in terrible conditions. There was a case of an egg farm bringing in a bunch of minors and housing them in a trailer park and forcing them to work long hours. Could easily see rape happening to kids in these circumstances and it would take a while for it to be sorted out once a pregnancy was recognized.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndoh/pr/another-defendant-pleads-guilty-connection-labor-trafficking-minors-ohio-egg-farm
So, I followed Inga's link
1: You don't have to register with the NYT. Double-click on one of the words in the article, "Select All", then Copy. Paste into a text editor, and you can read the whole article
2: "The timeline laid out in the police testimony matches the account provided by Dr. Caitlin Bernard, the OB/GYN who first told The Star about the case."
What timeline? There's no timeline actually detailed in the article.
When was she raped?
When was it reported to the police?
When was it reported to child protective services?
3: "That decision triggered a wave of abortion restrictions, including a law in Ohio that bans abortion after about six weeks of pregnancy, with no exception for rape or incest. The law blocked the 10-year-old from receiving an abortion in her home state after her parents discovered she was pregnant."
Her rape was supposedly reported to CPS on Wednesday 6/22. Dobbs came out on Friday 6/24
So no, she COULD have gotten an abortion after her parents found out she was pregnant.
4: "Before this week’s arrest, some conservatives, including Ohio’s top prosecutor, cast doubt on the story."
Why yes, he pointed out that under Ohio's law a pregnant 10 year old COULD get an abortion, and there was no need for her to go to Indiana.
Funny how the NYT leaves that out.
5: Paragraph 1:
An Ohio man has been arrested...
Paragraph 13 (out of 19):
A spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Mr. Fuentes was an undocumented immigrant...
So, tehy lied and they obfuscated. Just another day ending with a "y" at the NYT
jim5301: ""If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
Not sure I follow."
Fox Butterfield meets Dunning-Kruger.
So again, after all that, Inga pronounced this family completely "normal".
Probably describes Inga's family. No wonder she is weird.
Althouse: "If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
jim5301: "Not sure I follow."
Fox Butterfield meets Dunning-Kruger.
This reminds me of social progressives' willingness to sacrifice boys in darkness, at the twilight fringe, under a veil of a handmade tale, where they would bray about trans/homophobia in order to conduct cover-ups of rape, grooming, pedophilia, and other illicit activity in Boy Scouts, schools, churches, homes, etc., perhaps collateral damage at both ends of the bridge and throughout for the sake of immigration reform, World War Springs (WWS), redistributive and retributive change. Another em-pathetic ploy to keep women, and girls, and boys, too, affordable, available, and taxable, and force the People to take a knee, beg...
That said, rape... rape-rape is a crime committed against the individual and society. Elective abortion is a human rite performed for social, redistributive, clinical, political, and fair weather progress is a crime against Nature, humanity, society, and the individual.
“And remember, Inga has emphatically stated the Biden family is a completely "normal" family.”
And remember Drago is a worse liar than Rupar.
the major element of this story is Biden saying she was forced to travel to another state to get an abortion
Yes, edge case aside, this was a criminal action that should have been reported, the rapist apprehended to mitigate progress in the general population, and affirmative action taken long before six weeks expire, long before the girl's life would be placed at risk with planned parenthood. The precedent for social progress to be pushed through human exploitation and sacrifice did not begin or end with Roe's regrets, but has diverse precedents in civil and human rights violations throughout the 20th and 21s centuries. They sincerely believe that they can abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her , too... #MeToo #HerToo etc.
I still can't wrap my head around the multiplicity of evil in this case. The abortion doctor who didn't report, the child services and their abysmal behavior, the judge who granted bail to an illegal alien and to legislatures that don't ban bail for illegal aliens and make committing a crime while here illegally an additional crime.
Althouse pontificates on the patriarchy but doesn't tell us why a matriarchy would be preferable. All the angst about abortion and yet where is the push to punish the perpetrators and their enablers and abetters.
I dunno, this sudden arrest seems very. . .convenient.
They're not sending their best.
Also, Global Warming a factor.
Althouse: "If there'd been an abortion clinic nearby, if Roe hadn't been overruled, would this crime have come to light, and how many other such crimes have been hidden? That's my concern."
There were cover-ups and misdirection during the AIDS epidemic, with the Covid-19/20/21/22 pandemic, with Roe from its conception, immigration reform, and others. They have demonstrated time and time again they will sacrifice human rights, civil rights, affordability, availability, human lives, dignity and agency for the sake of social progress, fair optics, and to suppress their competing interests.
I can't imagine a judge releasing into the community a man credibly charged with raping a 10-year old, particularly if the alleged perpetrator was in the country illegally. It seems likely that there's a LOT MORE to this story. We may never know, but we should.
An illegal alien rapist.
An open border, an illegal alien, allegations of diversity [dogma] (e.g. racism) and xenophobia h/t psychos, complicit corporations (e.g. labor and environmental arbitrage), perhaps confusion discerning a girl, a boy (e.g. trans/neos) h/t social progressives and transgender spectrum projections h/t psychos, a feminist horde that brays misinformation/disinformation once too often, social progress #NoJudgment #NoLabels #TakeAKneeBeg, and the planned parenthood federation without borders. A wicked solution for social, redistributive, clinical, fair weather, and Democrat special and peculiar interests. A young girl, a socially liberal trans/homosexual male during an epidemic, a trans/homosexual male partner in an abusive relationship at the height of trans/homophobia, women on casting couches invited by women, girls in locker rooms, granny in planned parent/hood, a glass ceiling raised by #HerToo, etc.
Blogger Inga said...
“And remember, Inga has emphatically stated the Biden family is a completely "normal" family.”
Thank God stupidity is not contagious, at least over the internet.
I second gilbar's suggestion. When will the rapist be executed? The baby has already been killed. His/her DNA will prove who was the rapist. There's no question a crime occurred here, since the girl is 10. No he said/she said to sort through in the rape. Since the sentence of death has already been carried out on the baby, the rapist (who has provided his DNA) should be next. Since this was a reported crime according to the doctors, surely they kept the DNA evidence to convict.
"Gusty Winds said: Something is still not right. Ohio Law allows for exceptions such as rape, health of the mother, etc. This was confirmed by the Ohio Attorney General. Seems nobody can figure out why the girl had to leave Ohio to get an abortion in Indy."
Excellent point: there seems to be no legal reason why she could not have undergone the procedure in her home state of Ohio. So why did she have to go to Indiana?
Qui bono? Well, unfortunately there is a time honored tradition for parents and family who want to keep things quiet and out of view of the local authorities to just get the pregnant kid out of town and take care of business discreetly elsewhere.
As a physician who was an ER doc early on, if I saw a 10 year old who was pregnant, I would be an idiot not to consider that there was a realistic chance that she had been sexually abused, and I would be legally required to report it to the authorities. Looks like the abortion doc involved didn't do that.
This whole story stinks. Sounds like a lot of grown ups made a bunch of crappy decisions, and the poor 10 year old was the least of their concerns.
I told you I saw this all time.
You and your peer feminists didn't do squat. As it were.
Listen to yourself.
Hospital lawyers are very cautious. The Ohio law does not specifically permit abortions for girls who are ten years old. Young girls have survived childbirth, so there is no proof that the pregnancy would have threatened her life. A prosecutor could prosecute any doctor who participated in the abortion in Ohio.
And now we know the guy arrested is an illegal alien... a Biden boy.
Figures.
A tool of the patriachary? Are you fucking kidding me? Where was the martrarchy when she was brought in and aborted? Where was dad? Who was dad, her pimp? Where was mom? Where were all those well paid pervert sex educators?
They all failed her. Republicans have zip to do with this. Vote, and be a human, according?y.
Bad faith arguments and persecution complex abound. Could the story have been fabricated? Sure. But if you are honest, you know it does not matter for the purpose of discussing abortion policies and politics if it is within the realm of (not much of an) imagination. And it is. Let's get it out of the way.
As to the circumstantial questions, I have no idea why anyone is assuming negligence or malfeasance in the part of the parenets, doctors, or the police instead of the reporter's (or the police's) carefully considered omission. We are talking about a child's welfare, and potentially life-long trauma she might later be subject to. Combined with the legal system we have that presumes innocence until proven guilty, there are ample reasons for the everyone involved to be circumspect in revealing their (likely limited) knowledge of the crime.
Questions like "Why would 6 weeks pass without medical attention..?" is without merit. Do you know 6 weeks have passed without medical attention paid to the victim? Perhaps it was ommitted in the report because the reporter did not know just like you do not. Maybe all the proper steps were taken, but were not made news nationally. Abortion being the talk of the town, abortion-related part of the story is being sensationalized - I suppose you can blame the media for that, but in the country of 300 million people a lot of heinous crimes are unreported on a daily basis. If you want to know of every one of them I suggest you start looking at police database.
You seem to worry that availability of abortion is silencing victims of abuse, which I grant is a reasonable worry. But it is also true that rape has become a more serious crime in our sensitivity since women acquired more robust citizenship and equality with men, of which reproductive freedom has been indispensable. In the bad olden days rape was a crime against property of men (father or husband), punishment was much less severe. A visceral hostility against sexual abuse against child in our society is also a recent development (post-Roe).
Inga said... "What proof is there that Dr. Caitlin Barnard didn’t report the rape to police?"
Inga, you are asking those you disagree with to prove a negative. That's an effective tactic in middle school debate club, but it has no place in adult life.
Given the apparent lack of any currently available corroborating information that Dr. Barnard did indeed report the rape to police, as she would be required to do by law, the onus is on you to establish that she made such a report.
When you say, "prove to me space aliens didn't land their UFO in our town last night," I say, no, instead you prove to me they did.
is it Dodd or Dobbs? very confusing as to what is being cited!
as for ... No one in Columbus Ohio apparently took any rape kit DNA samples of the girl.
which agency has access to these kits? are these available to Child Protective Services? is there inventory control for chain of custody and record keeping? so many questions and cracks for evidence to fall through or swept under.
gilbar said...
Narayanan said...
just as slavery was right according to every slave owning person since the declaration and before and forever
fify!
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did not expect such dishonesty from you == will look out and ignore you from now on
if you are fixing something for me you need to quote what I said accurately.
unless your fify-xing is meant to show your agreement with slave owning and J Taney and their view of what individual rights mean.
Althouse pontificates on the patriarchy but doesn't tell us why a matriarchy would be preferable.
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matriarchy = all brothels have Madam in charge
@cubanbob 8:33 PM
You're not supposed to know the actual facts, much less consider them, it's not your place to do that. You're supposed to be ashamed of yourself. Got it?
"And remember, Inga has emphatically stated the Biden family is a completely "normal" family.”
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "And remember Drago is a worse liar than Rupar."
LOL
You are on record knucklehead. It's no surprise you are embarrassed about what has come out re: your declared "normal" Biden family and now you want to pretend it never happened at all. In the same way you've claimed you never called Althouse a "c***" even though it was quite the topic of conversation around these parts.
Your time would be better served apologizing to Althouse for your typically democratical response to a woman who wasn't towing your party line. You might then move on to claiming you really didn't know all those things about Joe and Hunter and have changed your mind based on "new" information. I mean, that's what any "normal" person would do.....so naturally you won't.
“It’s always shocking to me that people are surprised to hear about these stories,” Dr. Bernard said in an interview with The New York Times.
So she is not shocked by a 10-year-old getting pregnant? She's shocked that people are shocked?
“The fact that anyone would question such a story is a testament to how out of touch lawmakers and politicians are with reality.”
We're "out of touch" because we're shocked at an atrocity?
The reason people were suspicious was because of the timing of the reveal. Roe v. Wade is overruled. Suddenly, weeks later, we hear that a 10-year-old is raped and impregnated.
Dr. Bernard said such stories were unfortunately not as rare as people might think, and noted that she cared for her first underage rape victim early on in her medical residency.
We should have heard about her first case, decades ago. We did not.
She has since helped several families navigate pregnancy after a child is raped, she said.
And we didn't hear about her second case, or her third one, or her fourth one, or all the other 10-year-olds she's aborted.
That's not a normal part of medical practice. Raping a 10-year-old is a horrific crime. It's a felony. A pregnant 10-year-old is a walking crime scene. Anybody who sees her knows that a crime has happened. You have an obligation to report this crime to the police.
When people report rapes of 10-year-olds to the police, it becomes a public matter, and journalists hear about it, and it makes headlines.
Is this doctor an outlier? It's bizarre to think that every single abortionist out there has aborted multiple pregnant 10-year-old girls. That's a wave of horrific crimes.
People are shocked (and disbelieving) because Presidents never talked about this stuff before, and the NYT never investigated this stuff before. You're talking about child rape now, NYT, but for 49 years you (and this doctor) managed to keep the rape of 10-year-olds under the radar. Why is it a headline now, but it wasn't a headline then?
I'm with the folks who find the timing of the transmission of this report to CPD extremely convenient, and the sentence describing it oddly unspecific about when the CPD got it, not just when it was either reported by the girl's mother or filed by child services.
Abortion is a woman's right, but it is also a tool of the patriarchy
Roe v. Wade was written by nine men.
And it's part of the Playboy philosophy.
How many men have paid for an abortion to make a woman -- and their baby -- disappear?
You'd think women who talk about "autonomy" would recognize that men coerce abortions all the time.
A man drives a pregnant 10-year-old to an abortion clinic. That should raise serious warning flags (and 911 calls).
Even if it's a woman who is driving a pregnant 10-year-old to an abortion clinic, that's still a 911 call, right? Some women are complicit and don't want a police investigation.
What's damning for the abortion industry is that they've been fighting any and all state regulations involving their doctors, including parental consent laws.
A state passes a law saying that you can't perform an abortion on a minor without a parent's consent. And the abortion industry would sue, over and over, to overturn those laws.
Think about what it means to perform abortions on minors: 16-year-olds, 14-year-olds, 12-year-olds, 10-year-olds.
These doctors want a right to perform surgery on these kids without calling the parents first.
For decades it was easier for a child to get an abortion than see a movie. "An abortion free of interference from the state."
"Looks like the rapist is an illegal alien.
"Doing the jobs American won't do..."
Oh, no...there are many Americans, unfortunately, who are willing, able, and doing such "jobs".
"Is this doctor an outlier? It's bizarre to think that every single abortionist out there has aborted multiple pregnant 10-year-old girls. That's a wave of horrific crimes."
You can be sure such horrific crimes are taking place in America all the time. However, how many 10 year old girls can get pregnant as a result? (This doesn't even take into consideration the victims younger than 10 who definitely cannot get pregnant.)
I have no idea why anyone is assuming negligence or malfeasance in the part of the parents, doctors, or the police instead of the reporter's (or the police's) carefully considered omission. We are talking about a child's welfare, and potentially life-long trauma she might later be subject to.
Obviously we want to protect the child as much as possible. Her name should be redacted and kept from media reports. But protecting the child is not at all synonymous with keeping the crime hushed up. We don't want to protect the rapists, or sweep these crimes under the rug.
I do not believe in secret crimes, secret arrests, secret trials, secret convictions, or any of that shit. Our Constitution talks about public trials. Child rape is a felony and that needs a public trial.
So no, these crimes should not be hushed up.
Combined with the legal system we have that presumes innocence until proven guilty, there are ample reasons for the everyone involved to be circumspect in revealing their (likely limited) knowledge of the crime.
To me, it's super-weird that the abortion of 10-year-old girls was not reported in the media in the 49 years of Roe's "reproductive justice."
Overturn Roe and now, suddenly, a big stink comes out about pregnant 10-year-olds?
There's an expression that Rahm Emanuel once said: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste." That's what this is.
“You are on record knucklehead. It's no surprise you are embarrassed about what has come out re: your declared "normal" Biden family and now you want to pretend it never happened at all. In the same way you've claimed you never called Althouse a "c***" even though it was quite the topic of conversation around these parts.”
Neither one ever happened. Liar. It doesn’t concern you that you are breaking a Commandment?
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
Indiana’s AG doesn’t even know if Dr.Bernard reported the rape to police, yet so many here seem to “know” more than he does.
“Indiana’s Republican attorney general said on Wednesday that his office planned to investigate the Indiana doctor who helped a 10-year-old rape victim who crossed state lines to have an abortion.
We’re gathering the evidence as we speak, and we’re going to fight this to the end, including looking at her licensure if she failed to report. And in Indiana it’s a crime … to intentionally not report,” state Attorney General Todd Rokita said on Fox News on Wednesday night. “This is a child, and there’s a strong public interest in understanding if someone under the age of 16 or under the age of 18 or really any woman is having abortion in our state. And then if a child is being sexually abused, of course parents need to know. Authorities need to know. Public policy experts need to know.”
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PenguinBelly said...
Bad faith arguments and persecution complex abound. Could the story have been fabricated? Sure. But if you are honest, you know it does not matter for the purpose of discussing abortion policies and politics if it is within the realm of (not much of an) imagination. And it is. Let's get it out of the way.
Um, no. You don't get to go for the emotional gut punch of "this happened, right here!" and then say "well, it will happen, at some point...."
You want to argue hypotheticals honestly? Then you have to say it's a hypothetical.
As to the circumstantial questions, I have no idea why anyone is assuming negligence or malfeasance in the part of the parenets, doctors, or the police instead of the reporter's (or the police's) carefully considered omission.
The Doctor was asked by multiple reporters "did you report this to the police? What city did it happen in?" She repeatedly refused to answer
One source: It's probably the journalist lying. Multiple, it's the doctor
The Ohio State AG stated on the record that he asked every city if they had that case, and got uniformly negative replies. So either he lied, or the Columbus PD lied to him.
Since the Columbus PD has not announced "that's not true, we told the AG on ...", I'm going with they lived to him. So now we can reasonably suspect that they would never have arrested the illegal alien rapist if not for the press pressure on the story
The parents reported the rape on Wednesday 6/22, "after they discovered she was pregnant". Dobbs did not come down until 6/24, but was expected to come down Thursday or Friday. So they had at least two days to get her an abortion after discovering she was pregnant, and knew they faced a deadline.
As did the people at CPS they reported the rape to.
What took so long?
We are talking about a child's welfare, and potentially life-long trauma she might later be subject to. Combined with the legal system we have that presumes innocence until proven guilty, there are ample reasons for the everyone involved to be circumspect in revealing their (likely limited) knowledge of the crime.
All sex with 10 year old girls is rape.
"I / the doctor I worked with reported the rape to the Columbus PD." Boom, done. No violation of any laws or moral strictures in the release of that information.
Either you dont' talk about it at all, or else you can say "this was reported to the cops".
unless, of course, your hope is that the rapist will not be charged.
Questions like "Why would 6 weeks pass without medical attention..?" is without merit.
No, they are not. Sorry, but you dont' get to say "this subject is worthy of discussion", and then rule out of bounds the subjects we say are worthy of discussion.
Do you know 6 weeks have passed without medical attention paid to the victim?
We know there was no rape kit. We know the only DNA sample was taken in Indiana, not Ohio, the State where the problem occurred.
We know the pro-abortion side is claiming "you need to change the law because of X". It therefore follows that we get to question X.
If you're not open to those questions, it's because you're lying, and know it.
PenguinBelly said...
You seem to worry that availability of abortion is silencing victims of abuse, which I grant is a reasonable worry
How generous of you
But it is also true that rape has become a more serious crime in our sensitivity since women acquired more robust citizenship and equality with men
Since when was that? Joe Biden, rapist of Tara Reed, was made the standard bearer of the Party of Abortion less than 2 years ago.
So obviously it wasn't taken seriously then
of which reproductive freedom has been indispensable
Oh, you mean the invention of The Pill?
Yes, that was a major force for change
Oh, you're claiming that women are such pathetic losers that they can't be "equal" unless they're not held responsible for their choices? And they're just not capable of choosing well with respect to sex?
1: That's bullshit
2: That's a rather hostile view of women you have
A visceral hostility against sexual abuse against child in our society is also a recent development (post-Roe).
I call bullshit. Would you care to provide evidence for that claim, or do you agree it's bullshit?
PenguinBelly, Inga, etc:
If you say "this story is true, and should affect our laws", you do not get to complain when people require you to prove that the story actually is true
Russia Collusion Truther and Hillary Hoax Dossier Dead Ender Inga: "Neither one ever happened."
LOL
At this point you probably figure you have nothing to lose (spoiler: you really dont) so why not double down Biden style on the newest lies.
Inga said...
Indiana’s AG doesn’t even know if Dr.Bernard reported the rape to police, yet so many here seem to “know” more than he does.
It's so amusing how you keep on babbling the same BS, ignoring all replies
She was ASKED "Did you report this to the police?"
She refused to reply
That means, until proven otherwise, that she didn't report it.
We're not law enforcement officers, we dont' have to give criminals the benefit of the doubt.
And when you start giving Trump et all the benefit of the doubt, we'll listen to you whining about us.
But not until then
Seems like this rape wouldn't have been reported if not from the media firestorm. Does it sound like mom wanted him arrested? I assume the referral to family services in June was for counseling and not to find who raped the poor girl.
The mother of the Ohio 10/y rape victim tells Telemundo everything they say about (Gerson Flores) is a lie.
One effect of overturning Roe is that we will now know more about what type of young, often underaged girls get nearly all second and third trimester abortions; how many statutory rape victims are aborted without the abortion staff (required reporters) contacting police, and we can shape policies to offer them more support.
Nobody is happy about this case, one way or the other. But maybe a 10 year old has now escaped her pimp or molester.
My illegal immigrant next door neighbor's first daughter gave birth at 11. Nobody did a damn thing. I would have but didn't live here yet. Then he got caught raping his second 11 year old daughter.
I had a case where a man had supervised visitation with his five year old daughter. He figured out where the camera were and took her to a secluded corner and bit and molested her. He had 12 other kids, now at least 13.
Social workers everywhere are unsurprised.
Five adults lived in my neighbor's singlewide. They couldn't not know he was raping her.
Turns out that mom does NOT want the impregnator prosecuted.
Dr. Bernard has just confessed to several crimes. She is a required reporter (of child sexual abuse). She should be arrested and immediately loose her medical license.
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