"Part of the rationale was a well-intentioned effort to fight crime. But part of it was also an electoral one — a desire to appease the conservative and anti-Black sentiments of some White swing voters.... In the 1990s, Democrats didn’t have the evidence that has since accumulated suggesting that many punitive criminal justice policies don’t reliably reduce crime, nor did they have a stream of videos displaying horrible incidents of police brutality. And back then, the political rationale was largely about keeping Republicans out of office. Now, some centrist Democrats are using alarmist rhetoric hyping America’s crime rates and misleading statements about progressive policies to undercut the party’s emergent left wing.... It’s clear, though, that two things did not cause this increase: 'reform prosecutors' like [Chesa] Boudin and the 'defund the police' movement. Few cities have actually reduced their police budgets, and homicide rate increases happened in many cities that increased spending. There is no correlation between more progressive prosecutors and homicide rates."
From "Centrists’ new war on crime is also a war on the left" by Perry Bacon Jr. (WaPo).
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"anti-Black sentiments"
Sure.
..many punitive criminal justice policies don’t reliably reduce crime..
Of course, the thing of it IS:many punitive criminal justice policies DO reliably reduce crime.
I know that's irritating to libs, but; what are you going to do?
Homicide, after all, is the only meaningful measure of crime. A shit-infested street filled with drooling addicts does not mean crime has increased, nor does the existence of organized retail theft gangs. Little old ladies may be attacked and beaten, but it's not homicide, so it's not part of any imaginary "increase in crime."
While the high-minded wokesters protect their clients by pretending to seek out the "root causes of crime," it's good to remember the words of a wise man: The root cause of crime is criminals.
LOL - total. Crap from the WaPoo.
Oh, what bullshit. As if blacks didn't have an interest in reducing crime. And as if it hadn't worked! It did work, especially in NYC. Giuliani and even Bloomberg made that place livable again.
Cheda Boudin, on the other hand, has created a living hell. I only hope the police can be woke up from their coma to start enforcing the law again.
"Centrists’ new war on crime is also a war on the left"
Well, the Democrat's War On The Poor isn't going that well so they thought they'd give this a try.
I have to say, I'm surprised these "Centrists" even bother. They don't have a shred of credibility on this issue and it isn't like conservatives are going to let people forget how the Democrats egged on Burn Loot Murder.
If you stop prosecuting most larcenies, police stop arresting. That doesn't mean "crime has not increased." That's as stupid as all the people during the Vietnam War who said "we are winning" because the official statistics said lots of Viet Cong were being killed while few allied troops were. A "kill ratio" of 3X or 5X or 10X. A little critical thinking said that was, um, unlikely.
There's an awful lot of evidence-less assertion in that pull quote. The "anti-black sentiments" assertion is particularly offensive.
So, is the Democratic Party going to rebuke the 1994 crime bill? The Assault Weapons Ban? The Brady Bill?
What does the evidence say there?
Hmmmmmmmm? Michael Bloomberg dumped a ton on cash on Johns Hopkins University to study guns. They found:
https://bongino.com/johns-hopkins-study-no-evidence-that-assault-weapon-bans-reduce-mass-shootings/
Johns Hopkins Study Finds No Evidence that “Assault Weapons” Bans Reduce Mass Shootings
Democracy Dies in Darkness!
They need to bring back the death penalty for convicted murderers. Science says that whenever a murderer has been executed by the state, that murderer has never gone on to commit additional murders. They need to follow the science.
Don't buy into the romantic notion of yesterday that the democrats once were virtuous and centered. Everything they told you then and tell you now is a lie to gain your trust and ultimately gain power.
Once in power...well, you know the drill.
fighting crime should be color-blind.
Yes - we have some instances where police abuse has taken place. That should stop. It must stop.
However, lying about the stats and numbers of police abuse/brutatily (esp as it relates to race) and using that false narrative to jump-start rage that caused billions of dollars in property damage and actual murders & deaths - via and by the BLM + White Left Antifa terrorist Summer reign of terror - does not solve the crime problem - now does it, dear Wapo?
All of that ushered massive leftist crime leniency - (see CA's free $999.00 left laws) for starters. Much of the crime leniency is accomplished by Soros money and his open efforts to install soft on crime leftist DAs all over our nation. A problem that the left refuse to accept.
Notice how he discusses "crime" but switches to "homicide" in that last excerpted sentence.
lol. His name is Bacon.
"It’s clear, though, that two things did not cause this increase: 'reform prosecutors' like [Chesa] Boudin and the 'defund the police' movement."
It may not be clear to the white supremacist voters of San Francisco, but it's clear to Perry Bacon, Jr., of the WSJ.
I agree with the WaPo headline.
The rest of the article is asking you to ignore what has become of San Francisco CVS and Walgreen stores in just 4 years and if you can't ignore it, to blame it on Covid, despite CVS and Walgreens not having similar experiences in other cities.
There is no correlation between more progressive prosecutors and homicide rates.
I'm not saying the above statement is correct, but even if it is, homicide is not the only crime.
The notion that the increase in crime over the past couple of years cannot be explained by "defund the police" policies because such budget cuts never actually occurred in most cities assumes that one need only look at direct causal links between defunding and rising crime.
However, there is also the possibility of an indirect causal link explaining the connection--that the defund movement and the initial support it received with some part of the public resulted in police officers striking back by reducing the level of law enforcement. This disengagement from active policing, it has been hypothesized, ultimately resulted in rising crime rates. It's called the "Ferguson Effect" and although there are debates about whether that is what actually occurred in 2020-21, it's at least an explanation that should be considered.
"There is no correlation between more progressive prosecutors and homicide rates."
Show me the statistics.
Perhaps that's true regarding homicides, but if memory serves, there's a boatload of other crimes that these guys are not prosecuting to the full extent of the law.
There are a lot of "journolists" at the WaPoo and NYT who have assigned themselves the task of "just making things up". And Mr. Bacon is one of them.
I'm not necessarily certain that there is a correlation between the election of Soros backed "progressive prosecutors" and increased homicide rates. However I am pretty certain that the election of progressive prosecutors results in an increase in lawless activity and civic disorder. I mean if there's going to be no time, why not do the crime?
I sure hope that the Dims use this and abortion as their signature issues this fall.
What a crock of shit! Classic WAPO.
“… a desire to appease the conservative and anti-Black sentiments of some White swing voters”
Got it, people who disagree with you politically are “anti-Black”
“It’s clear, though, that two things did not cause this increase: 'reform prosecutors' like [Chesa] Boudin and the 'defund the police' movement.”
How is it clear that ‘reform prosecutors’ didn’t cause the increase? There’s no way that statement is supported in the article. Seems pretty likely that refusing to jail criminals allows them to keep committing crimes.
This shit isn’t news anymore. It’s opinion and spin. Go F yourself, and enjoy your crime ridden cities.
CVS? Walgreens? pah.
As long as Granny Botox can get her meds and her botox, which she can with her fancy congressional healthcare, the people of SF can suck eggs. right?
There’s no Whitesplaining quite like progressive Whitesplaining.
*correction*
Granny winebox*
"There is no correlation between more progressive prosecutors and homicide rates."
Those San Francisco idiots, particularly the chinks, have obliviously been brainwashed into believing everything the Republicans tell them about crime. There is no crime in the Greater Bay Area, only enhanced social justice. Furthermore, bacon is not good for your health.
Yes, the above is really nasty, but one suspects the WaPo editorial board is highly disappointed in the formerly reliable Asians, suburban women, and the black middle class. Abusive terms for those groups are undoubtedly in common use in the desk-to-desk city room hubbub.
Democrats didn’t have the evidence that has since accumulated suggesting that many punitive criminal justice policies don’t reliably reduce crime, nor did they have a stream of videos displaying horrible incidents of police brutality.
Yes, that old chestnut. Perhaps Mr. Salty Pork Fat does not know about the faulty reasoning behind those anti-punishment arguments. (Or he does, but promotes the lies for political reasons. One doubts this because the intellectual standards at the Post aren't exactly stellar.) In case your name is Robert Cook, the root fallacy is related to the mystery of the Brodie helmet.
In the Great War, the British Army when into battle wearing cloth caps of various designs. By 1915, however, an alarming number of head wounds among the entrenched Tommies spurred the adoption of steel helmets. The generals, expecting a concomitant decline in casualties, were dumbfounded by an immediate 500 percent increase in head wounds among soldiers wearing the new supposedly protective headgear. They were inclined to ban the Brodie helmet, but cooler, smarter heads prevailed by pointing out that those extra 500 percent would have listed as killed rather than wounded had they been wearing their cloth caps rather than the new steel model. And the lesson? Valid statistics depend on valid data, a rule not applied to surveys regarding the deterrent value of punishments taken among prison inmates, in other words, the undeterred minority.
If the writer wants to know what caused the increase in homicide and crime over the past several years, he should read Steve Sailer’s blog.
Reported crimes go down when things that used to be crimes are not crimes any more and the victims know that nothing will be done even if a crime is reported.
We need more Perry Bacon, Jr.s to fuel the November rout. But, as the good professor says, "Don't get cocky!" So get out there and support candidates whose brains work the way the good Lord intended.
Mike Sylwester writes, "Democracy Dies in Darkness!"
And no one is more busy putting out the lights than the Washington Post.
From this Op-Ed that is an assault on evidence and reason: The policies of the 1990s helped lead to mass incarceration of Black people in particular, while not playing much of a role in reducing crime.
The cite isn't even glancingly related to the assertion. Odd that the editor didn't catch that.
Overall, though, this whole thing reeks of what was, perhaps, the original Fox Butterfield fallacy: Crime continues to fall, despite increase in prison population.
"Whatever it is you want now, we invented it years ago."
- Sincerely, the Democrats
Sorry but the essay conflates things. The rise in crime directly coincides with a lack of prosecution of offenders that began during the 2020 riots. The message quickly got out that there would be no consequences for rioters, looters, and arsonists. Hardly any of them were prosecuted. Antifa has had free reign in Portland for 2 years. Cops were told to stand down during the riots. The worst rises in crime have happened where progressive DAs refuse to prosecute, such as LA and San fran.
As to the past: more aggressive policing does in fact reduce crime. Police brutality is a different question entirely. Don't mix them.
"Centrist new war on gas prices is also a war on the left"
You know, this could go on.
The "War On" trope done wore out 30 years ago.
To be fair, the number of people be convicted of minor crimes* has dropped to nearly nothing
Convictions for Major Crimes** are way down too!
minor crimes* you know, the things prosecutors WON'T take to trial anymore; things like:
Theft below $1000
Drug Use
Drug Sales
Prostitution
Human Trafficing
Arson
Major Crimes** Insurrection
But part of it was also an electoral one — a desire to appease the conservative... sentiments of some White swing voters...." Odd way to describe the obligation of representatives to represent their constituents in a democracy.
Jupiter—WaPo. WSJ. Whatever.
That wasn't hard to find. The new number is bigger than the old number. I think that's called an increase.
Diversity [dogma] (i.e. color judgment, class-based bigotry), Inequity, and Exclusion (DIE)
That said, Baby Lives Matter (BLM).
This is of a piece with the old, "We have record numbers of people in prison, but record low crime rates- this makes no sense, so let's release prisoners early."
Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton were rightly worried about Super Predators® who were black.
Sort of inconvenient these days...
Another leftmedia journo without a conscience. Democrats had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from the "probation for everyone" nonsense of the 70s and their hearts were never into the get tougher policies that followed. Despite the chest beating of Clinton, Biden, et al., the famous "Crime Bill" of their era was a Republican creation. Mostly Democrat Metropolitan DAs, of whom I was one, had to work with House Republicans to come up with terms the pussies in the White House would agree to.
The assertion that the "punitive policies" didn't reduce crime is a flat out lie as can be readily seen by crime stats of the time. As Professor John DiIuilo of Princeton and the Brookings Institute observed: "Anyone who doesn't believe increased incarceration is an answer to the crime problem is asking the wrong question."
WaPo, NYT and other partisan rags will evidently never tire of publishing leftist old wives' tales as fact.
"Centrists’ new war on crime is also a war on the left"
IOW, an act of belated societal self-defense.
But when will the "centrists," the ones who prefer "serious" or " boring" politics, who cannot stomach uncouth deplorables, take responsibility for the harm they caused? When will they learn that "the left" always and everywhere causes economic and social mayhem? That the pursuit of social justice inevitably leads to disaster?
When will the nice, reasonable centrists make up their mind and put a stop to left shenanigans, once and for all?
Another leftmedia journo without a conscience. Democrats had to be dragged kicking and screaming away from the "probation for everyone" nonsense of the 70s and their hearts were never into the get tougher policies that followed. Despite the chest beating of Clinton, Biden, et al., the famous "Crime Bill" of their era was a Republican creation. Mostly Democrat Metropolitan DAs, of whom I was one, had to work with House Republicans to come up with terms the pussies in the White House would agree to.
The assertion that the "punitive policies" didn't reduce crime is a flat out lie as can be readily seen by crime stats of the time. As Professor John DiIuilo of Princeton and the Brookings Institute observed: "Anyone who doesn't believe increased incarceration is an answer to the crime problem is asking the wrong question."
WaPo, NYT and other partisan rags will evidently never tire of publishing leftist old wives' tales as fact.
Anti-crime sentiments /= anti-black sentiments. That bullshit line of thinking does so much damage to race relations.
The crime bump in San Francisco is really bad now, but has roots going back at least twenty years.
I have posted this story here before, so I'll be brief. Thieves literally commuting from Oakland to SF to break into cars were being arrested and released, in some cases dozens of times (as reported by the SF Chronicle c. 1995). The SF police spokesman stated "we're tough on crime here. They come here, they know what they'll get."
Right. They'll get released immediately.
In SF, for decades, only the law-abiding have actually worried about the police.
Those San Francisco idiots, particularly the chinks
People of Chinks (POC), or, perhaps, People of Yellow (POY), are the politically congruent constructs for color blocs in diversity [dogma] under the established nominally "secular" ethical religion.
Prog prosecutors don't incarcerate criminals. That is the complaint against prog prosecutors.
This entire article is a great example of the Fox Butterfield Effect, reversing cause and effect, and about the same subject, crime versus punishment. Fox famously expressed confusion about how crime rates could be falling during periods when prison populations were expanding.
The 1980s are back, baby, with a vengeance!
Yah, b/c criminals are just too stupid to realize that woke prosecutors have stopped prosecuting all sorts of crimes that used to be prosecuted. So of course it's not the wokesters' fault.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp that a repeat felon in prison isn't out in the community commiting crimes. Criminals out on bail who commit another crime should have their bail revoked and not given bail on the newer charge. Criminals make their living committing crimes, when they are incarcerated they aren't committing crimes in the neighborhood. Indeed repeat criminals when convicted should be required to do the balances of their prior sentences consecutively along with the latest sentencing.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to grasp that a repeat felon in prison isn't out in the community commiting crimes. Criminals out on bail who commit another crime should have their bail revoked and not given bail on the newer charge. Criminals make their living committing crimes, when they are incarcerated they aren't committing crimes in the neighborhood. Indeed repeat criminals when convicted should be required to do the balances of their prior sentences consecutively along with the latest sentencing.
"Part of the rationale was a well-intentioned effort to fight crime. But part of it was also an electoral one — a desire to appease the conservative and anti-Black sentiments of some White swing voters
What a racist pig, to claim that "all criminals are black" like that
In the 1990s, Democrats didn’t have the evidence that has since accumulated suggesting that many punitive criminal justice policies don’t reliably reduce crime
And will still don't have any such evidence today
nor did they have a stream of videos displaying horrible incidents of police brutality
And now we have the Left pushing the position that 1 black male criminal killed by the police is worse than 100 black males (many not criminals) killed by criminals
It’s clear, though, that two things did not cause this increase: 'reform prosecutors' like [Chesa] Boudin and the 'defund the police' movement. Few cities have actually reduced their police budgets, and homicide rate increases happened in many cities that increased spending. There is no correlation between more progressive prosecutors and homicide rates."
I call bullshit. Because we've seen the homicide rates skyrocketing post George Floyd, especially in places that implemented the Left's policies
From "Centrists’ new war on crime is also a war on the left" by Perry Bacon Jr. (WaPo).
Let's try a more honest headline: The Left's war on society is also the Left's war on Centrists
Apparently the left no longer can recognize cause and effect. Amber Heard is vilified because she is a woman, not because she is a psycho liar. People distrust the news because of misinformation from the right, not because they have been caught repeatedly slanting, omitting and censoring as well as outright lying. People in a liberal city vote against left wing district attorneys because because they are frightened, not because they are misled.
Progressives believe that putting more people in prison has no effect on crime (outside of crime committed within prisons.) This is provably false. Recidivism is undeniable. If all males were put in suspended animation from 16 to 30 years old that would reduce crime. If the males that actually committed crimes were put in suspended animation that would reduce crime to a large but lesser degree.
Total BS. A rapist in prison isn’t raping college students in the bushes and middle aged soccer moms in their own bedrooms. A murder in prison isn’t killing any one on the street. Including little kids they hit with a stray bullet.
ALL of these “prison doesn’t lower crime rates” articles are LIES. Blatant, bald faced lies. The longer the sentences for violent crime the lower the violent crime rate. Because only a certain percentage of any population is willing to commit violent crimes. You do not have to commit violent crimes in America to get enough to eat or have a roof over your head. There is no one who is murdering and raping because they are poor. This is a lie the left uses all the time and all the time some of people from all of political parties fall for it. We need to stop letting them get away with this bullshit.
Straight-up gaslighting from Mr. Bacon.
All lies.
California stopped recording crimes even as violent as home invasion. Burglary, rioting, mugging not leading to hospitalization, and mass theft from stores don't get recorded anymore either.
You can't have statistics on less severe violent and property crime without police reports and court appearances.
Nationwide, chaos erupted in cities. As only fatality stats are relatively reliable, white auto fatalities over two years (a category they include Hispanics in) rose 9%. Black auto fatalities rose 30%. Between 2019 and 2020, the number of blacks who died by homicide rose 38%. Blacks commit homicides at eight times the rate of all other races, though Hispanic rates dominate in some areas as they drive blacks out of cities they take over, like LA. But you have to dig deep to get Hispanic on black crime rates because Hispanics are counted as white RACE for offenders and Hispanic ETHNICITY as victims. White non-Hispanics commit virtually no inter or interracial homicides when you factor in population percentages,race,AND ethnicity.
Whites and Asian are overrepresented in only one category of crime: planned mass school shootings. Ever there, Asians have the higher body count based on their percentage of the population. More school shooting are committed by blacks but are not represented as such and tend to have more in common with other black shootings -- impulsive, gang-related, and more bullets than bodies.
My rapist is estimated to have raped and/or killed more than 100 women. Since imprisoned, the number is zero. And yes, I check occasionally on his prison record, so no male victims.
Read Steve Sailor.
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