Over at Instapundit; Will Smith resigned from the Academy. I'm not sure that was necessary, but in any other industry, that is probably the best one could hope to do.
Awesome- so lucky!! Cardinals are one of my favorites. School mascot, to boot.
Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone? It’s Liberaleeze, and I’m not fluent. I kinda want to say it goes w/the princess post… and that if being a princess is the only thing we can use to feed the souls of our children- then we’re pathetic? Lucky for us: Biden has the perfect answer to what feeds souls. To say I’m p-p-p-pissed off is an understatement.
We usually agree, but on this one, I'm with Biden. Transexuals are just as human as you and me, if perhaps slightly more fucked up. Thus if you believe that humans were made in the image of God, so were they.
That doesn't mean that God is endorsing transgenderism, or that the president or government should. If you believe these people are mentally ill and emotionally compromised as I do, you should pity them.
That being said, I reject and condemn all attempts to normalize their behavior or consider them women. They are either transvestites (pre surgery) or transwomen (post surgery) but not women. We should not be attempting to reorder society to accommodate the mental illness of a very small number of people.
One day they will look back at the present hysteria the way we do the pre-school scare in the 1980s.
Total sidetrack thought here, and I would favor the notion that this is not want he meant, but there is a concept among some schools of occult thought that God is inherently androgynous, and that androgyny is the highest state of being and the state closest to godhood.
So, y'all are saying; that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support? That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
Further thoughts on Will Smith: I'm pretty sure that this outburst had something to do with the fact that he had witnessed his father beat up his mother. That's a lesson that sticks with you. The lesson was not chivalry. He learned that the best way to handle anger was to hit the person who inspired that anger--provided, of course, that the offending party is smaller and weaker......Smith has had access to expensive therapists. He's been to mountain tops and meditated. Still he did this. He acted like a fool and a bully in one of the most public forums in the world....It's disheartening. I hear about these lunatics who attack little old ladies. They say that this is a failure of America's public health program. They claim that there are programs and medications that will make these lunatics peaceable and functioning.....If Will Smith with all his advantages cannot control his behavior, how much luck are we going to have with homeless schizohrenics.
About Biden's curious theology, here is how scripture explains and expands upon what is revealed in the body:
"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Gen 1:27).
God created us male and female. He created us "man," with sexual differentiation, male and female.
He did not create us female in a male body, nor male in a female body. God does not make mistakes. If He made someone male, in a male body, that is because the person IS male.
Our house is now all sheaved in OSB (oriented strand board, a new and improved plywood). The plumbing was put in over two days.
The shingles and tar paper were supposed to be delivered yesterday and install today. The trucking company used a truck that exceeded the 23T weight limit on the bridge that leads to our neighborhood, so they had to turn around. They'll need to use a smaller truck. That's blown up the schedule; the HVAC system now will miss its install date. The Adair supervisor will need to revise his schedule for this screw up.
No schedule ever survives contact with the real world. (Stolen from Prussian Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke the Elder maxim "No plan survives contact with the enemy.")
farmgirl writes, "Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone?"
Very simple, it's Joe Biden exploring the frontiers of Presidential idiocy. He's already pushed the boundaries of economic policy idiocy by restraining supply AND stimulating demand at the same time. And there's the supreme foreign policy idiocy of publicly threatening a nuclear-armed dictator with regime change.
At that point, many well-intentioned people concluded the worst was over. No single Administration could possibly be more stupid, even a troop of baboons is more intelligently governed. Or so they believed. Then Biden said, "Hold my beer."
Today's news: Sarah Palin entered the race late Friday afternoon to fill the remaining months of Congressman Don Young’s term. Friday — April Fool’s Day — at 5 p.m. was the candidate filing deadline, and Alaska's Division of Elections is still finalizing the list - now up to 51. Also running is a long time resident of North Pole, AK - Santa Claus.
Tomorrow's News: Former regime leader, Donny Trump will not answer the question of whether he supports Sarah or Santa.
gilbar said... So, y'all are saying; that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support? That, Hitler is just as human as you and me? ***************
Since when does the idea that humans are made in the "image of God" imply that they all behave like God?
Biden supports abortion because babies in the womb are not made in the image and likeness of God so we can destroy them. But then, somehow, later, it turns out that they are made in the image and likeness of God, just in time for a sound bite. Which is a strange way for God to do things. Yeah and also God sometimes makes mistakes - gives some people female XX DNA in every cell of their body with physical and hormonal consequences but really intended for them to be men. Which is sort of careless, really. So it's not so great being made in the image and likeness of God when you look at how God is doing things. Or is it that God is being made in the image and likeness of Joe Biden's corruption?
So, y'all are saying; that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support? That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
Absolutely and without doubt. Everyone one of us was made in the image of God. We are NOT God, though. We all fail. In human terms we grade our sins, God does not. We all fail and we are all given unconditional grace, should we accept it. But that does not mean we should thwart God simply because He will forgive us. There are still rights and wrongs you can choose to commit in this world, and if you love God, you should do your best to follow His will. If you are not doing your best to follow His will, you probably don't love Him.
As for Trans, they may truly feel what they do. It may not be something than can control, any more than cancer is controlable. They are still children of God and still deserve our compassion. That does not mean we promote their condition. And we can still condemn those who want to corrupt children in some misguided attempt to make the adults feel validated. Something about "Better a millstone..."
Mao, too. Stalin, as well. Mengele [mandates], of course. Biden/Maidan/Slavic Spring, eight years of war, and two years with the current regime, absolutely. Abortionists, Gosnell, Cecile, yes, following a trans-religion (i.e. ethical, divergent from moral). The followers of rites for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes, all.
We usually agree, but on this one, I'm with Biden. Transexuals are just as human as you and me, if perhaps slightly more fucked up. Thus if you believe that humans were made in the image of God, so were they. ************************************
What perverse sophistry.
No society has ever acted on the idea that "anything goes".
The idea of humans being created in the "image" of God obviously has ever meant to convey that we are all God and can do whatever the fuck we want.
Again:: if that were true, why the Ten Commandments?
Does God eat people, as Jeffrey Dahmer did ?
Did God kill 6 million of his own Chosen People, or was that Hitler acting because God told him to?
You are obviously a Dumbass, not just World Class, but Cosmic Class. No, transsexuals are not "perhaps slightly more fucked up." They are mentally and emotionally disturbed.
They demand to be treated as if they are "special", and given special rights, many curiously oriented toward allowing them to invade standards of sexual privacy.
So if every human can tell you they are made in the image and likeness of God---and therefore can do what the fuck they want---are you down with that?
If so, Gahrie, are you telling us that YOU will invade ladies' rooms and high school locker rooms to check out all that Premium Poontang?
Because YOU, snigger snigger, want to peer over the shower stalls? Or under the ladies toil toilet stalls?
After all, isn't that what all humans have always done?
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, PERVO.
I predict Gahrie will do what he always does, which to run into the tall grass and not defend his perversity.
I don’t have much time- it’s getting late and husband is already in the barn.
We ARE all made in the image of God- created equal and knit w/in the womb. Even when we do the most despicable/heinous things- we are children of the Creator. That doesn’t mean we don’t get punished - and if we go to Hell- are we disowned? By choice- we leave Him. He is a Father, after all.
I grew up believing God doesn’t make junk. Taught to treat all w/dignity. A trans takes the image of G*d “they” were created in and is not pleased. Where every difference counts- they counter once again. Their mind says: I create the Truth I am.
What is Truth?
Biden- who cannot see equality w/in the womb created- takes the mutilation of a trans and declares it “good”. And anyone who counts the scars as harmful- a bigot.
To the androgy. Angels are androgynous, I believe. Our G*d is masculine/feminine. So much more than two lines in a pathetic little comment- here. But He is not neutered.
farmgirl said... [...] "Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone? It’s Liberaleeze, and I’m not fluent. I kinda want to say it goes w/the princess post… and that if being a princess is the only thing we can use to feed the souls of our children- then we’re pathetic?"
I think, rather, that it's part of the Left's strategy to distract, disorient, and destabilize the normal family order. Triple D maneuvering. That's in line with the Marxist goal of abolishing family relationships in favor of everything belonging to the State.
I'll also posit that Joe Biden may not have come up with that statement on his own. I question his ability to think through its implications. Rather, I think it was spoon-fed to him - perhaps literally - by his advisors.
A man who doesn’t cry out for those made in the image of God w/in their mothers’ wombs, but can totes see Him reflected in the image of a trans(who cannot reconcile that they, themselves, are fearfully and wonderfully made) is not concerned w/Truth. Moral relativism is not a good look on a professed Catholic.
John Nolte on the Will Smith Scandal... "I couldn’t be any more in love with this scandal if it looked like Pam Grier and tasted like cheesecake." There's some imaging for ya!
Biden talking about God is like Biden saying "frankly": it's an indication that he doesn't believe what comes next. I guess it's more or less like that with all politicians.
Sure, if one believes in God, then humans are made in the image and likeness of God, but doesn't POTUS have more important things to do than deliver little homilies about how close he is to the deity.
I already did, in the same post, in the paragraphs you obviously didn't read. I quote myself:
That doesn't mean that God is endorsing transgenderism, or that the president or government should. If you believe these people are mentally ill and emotionally compromised as I do, you should pity them.
That being said, I reject and condemn all attempts to normalize their behavior or consider them women. They are either transvestites (pre surgery) or transwomen (post surgery) but not women. We should not be attempting to reorder society to accommodate the mental illness of a very small number of people.
"He did not create us female in a male body, nor male in a female body. God does not make mistakes. If He made someone male, in a male body, that is because the person IS male."
But there are some physically intersex people. You'll have to say these are not mistakes. But they don't fit the rest of your idea.
"But there are some physically intersex people." 0.018 % of the population. 18 thousandths of one percent.Not statistically relevant. Oh. I'm sure they're relevant to their families but for the transgender argument they are not.
Look at the proposition I am refuting. Your point does not matter. If it’s a mistake, it could be one in a billion and it would be God’s mistake under the proposition in question.
Don’t change the issue to God’s mistakes are rare!
President Joe Biden said that transgender people are “made in the image of God” in an announcement Thursday on “transgender day of visibility.” ====== if @rusty wants to object : mistakes are to be maintained or corrected?
can the "medical" establishment then claim “made into the image of God” as justify for actions?
Ann, intersex persons are not God's mistakes. They are part of a broken world, broken by sin. None of us are born perfect and some of us are less perfect than others. However, all human beings bear the image of God according to orthodox Christianity. This forces us to treat every single person as someone of dignity, no matter what they have done good or bad. This is one of the contributions that Christianity has made to our world today.
Look at the proposition I am refuting. Your point does not matter. If it’s a mistake, it could be one in a billion and it would be God’s mistake under the proposition in question.
He created them that way to teach us humility, empathy and compassion. (If you're religious)
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Over at Instapundit; Will Smith resigned from the Academy. I'm not sure that was necessary, but in any other industry, that is probably the best one could hope to do.
Awesome- so lucky!! Cardinals are one of my favorites. School mascot, to boot.
Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone?
It’s Liberaleeze, and I’m not fluent. I kinda want to say it goes w/the princess post… and that if being a princess is the only thing we can use to feed the souls of our children- then we’re pathetic? Lucky for us: Biden has the perfect answer to what feeds souls. To say I’m p-p-p-pissed off is an understatement.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/04/01/biden-says-transgender-people-are-made-in-the-image-of-god/
"Will Smith resigned from the Academy."
What does that mean?
"Transgender day of visibility", "I want you to know that your president SEES you."
He knows who has been naughty, and who has been nice!!
This is desperation. This only appeals to the Birkenstock, and Subaru crowd of lonely women.
@farmgirl
We usually agree, but on this one, I'm with Biden. Transexuals are just as human as you and me, if perhaps slightly more fucked up. Thus if you believe that humans were made in the image of God, so were they.
That doesn't mean that God is endorsing transgenderism, or that the president or government should. If you believe these people are mentally ill and emotionally compromised as I do, you should pity them.
That being said, I reject and condemn all attempts to normalize their behavior or consider them women. They are either transvestites (pre surgery) or transwomen (post surgery) but not women. We should not be attempting to reorder society to accommodate the mental illness of a very small number of people.
One day they will look back at the present hysteria the way we do the pre-school scare in the 1980s.
That's a cardinal with an agenda. Lock your doors.
Transgender people were originally made in the image of God. They were later remade in the image of Benny Hill.
@Farmgirl,
Total sidetrack thought here, and I would favor the notion that this is not want he meant, but there is a concept among some schools of occult thought that God is inherently androgynous, and that androgyny is the highest state of being and the state closest to godhood.
But, I'm sure that's not what 'ol Joe meant.
“and more importantly, I want you to know that your president SNIFFS you.”
If you give that bird some novocaine, it becomes a Cardinal Number.
So, y'all are saying;
that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support?
That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
Do Northern Cardinals overwinter in Wisconsin? They do in the South.
Call yourself “farmgirl” and get the attention of swaths of the Althouse commentariat?
I guess I don’t have to ask, Ginger or Mary Ann?
tcrosse writes, "If you give that bird some novocaine, it becomes a Cardinal Number."
Does it, or do you?
Further thoughts on Will Smith: I'm pretty sure that this outburst had something to do with the fact that he had witnessed his father beat up his mother. That's a lesson that sticks with you. The lesson was not chivalry. He learned that the best way to handle anger was to hit the person who inspired that anger--provided, of course, that the offending party is smaller and weaker......Smith has had access to expensive therapists. He's been to mountain tops and meditated. Still he did this. He acted like a fool and a bully in one of the most public forums in the world....It's disheartening. I hear about these lunatics who attack little old ladies. They say that this is a failure of America's public health program. They claim that there are programs and medications that will make these lunatics peaceable and functioning.....If Will Smith with all his advantages cannot control his behavior, how much luck are we going to have with homeless schizohrenics.
About Biden's curious theology, here is how scripture explains and expands upon what is revealed in the body:
"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" (Gen 1:27).
God created us male and female. He created us "man," with sexual differentiation, male and female.
He did not create us female in a male body, nor male in a female body. God does not make mistakes. If He made someone male, in a male body, that is because the person IS male.
Our house is now all sheaved in OSB (oriented strand board, a new and improved plywood). The plumbing was put in over two days.
The shingles and tar paper were supposed to be delivered yesterday and install today. The trucking company used a truck that exceeded the 23T weight limit on the bridge that leads to our neighborhood, so they had to turn around. They'll need to use a smaller truck. That's blown up the schedule; the HVAC system now will miss its install date. The Adair supervisor will need to revise his schedule for this screw up.
No schedule ever survives contact with the real world. (Stolen from Prussian Field Marshal Helmuth von Moltke the Elder maxim "No plan survives contact with the enemy.")
farmgirl writes, "Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone?"
Very simple, it's Joe Biden exploring the frontiers of Presidential idiocy. He's already pushed the boundaries of economic policy idiocy by restraining supply AND stimulating demand at the same time. And there's the supreme foreign policy idiocy of publicly threatening a nuclear-armed dictator with regime change.
At that point, many well-intentioned people concluded the worst was over. No single Administration could possibly be more stupid, even a troop of baboons is more intelligently governed. Or so they believed. Then Biden said, "Hold my beer."
They have learned not to be seen
@gilbar
I mean, Adolf did have God's mustache. That's about as definitive as it gets.
All jokes aside the only one probably made in God's image was Nick Drake.
Seriously trying to make sense of his word salad we just know his gang of pirates has been for this country that they stole.
Report (if true) says Ukraine attacked a fuel depo inside Russian territory.
"Analyst says Ukraine's alleged move is one of Biden's worst nightmares"
If the war is growing, it's bad for EVERYBODY OVERTHERE, not just Biden!
This is about dismantling every aapect of our country, starting with the nuclear family anything that stands up to the State which declares itself God
Hitler dehumanized people he didn’t like. Don’t be like Hitler.
Today's news: Sarah Palin entered the race late Friday afternoon to fill the remaining months of Congressman Don Young’s term. Friday — April Fool’s Day — at 5 p.m. was the candidate filing deadline, and Alaska's Division of Elections is still finalizing the list - now up to 51. Also running is a long time resident of North Pole, AK - Santa Claus.
Tomorrow's News: Former regime leader, Donny Trump will not answer the question of whether he supports Sarah or Santa.
gilbar said...
So, y'all are saying;
that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support?
That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
***************
Since when does the idea that humans are made in the "image of God" imply that they all behave like God?
(asking for a theologian)
Biden supports abortion because babies in the womb are not made in the image and likeness of God so we can destroy them. But then, somehow, later, it turns out that they are made in the image and likeness of God, just in time for a sound bite. Which is a strange way for God to do things. Yeah and also God sometimes makes mistakes - gives some people female XX DNA in every cell of their body with physical and hormonal consequences but really intended for them to be men. Which is sort of careless, really. So it's not so great being made in the image and likeness of God when you look at how God is doing things. Or is it that God is being made in the image and likeness of Joe Biden's corruption?
Gilbar said:
So, y'all are saying;
that Hitler was made, in the image of GOD? and deserving of dignity, respect and support?
That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
Absolutely and without doubt. Everyone one of us was made in the image of God. We are NOT God, though. We all fail. In human terms we grade our sins, God does not. We all fail and we are all given unconditional grace, should we accept it. But that does not mean we should thwart God simply because He will forgive us. There are still rights and wrongs you can choose to commit in this world, and if you love God, you should do your best to follow His will. If you are not doing your best to follow His will, you probably don't love Him.
As for Trans, they may truly feel what they do. It may not be something than can control, any more than cancer is controlable. They are still children of God and still deserve our compassion. That does not mean we promote their condition. And we can still condemn those who want to corrupt children in some misguided attempt to make the adults feel validated. Something about "Better a millstone..."
That, Hitler is just as human as you and me?
Mao, too. Stalin, as well. Mengele [mandates], of course. Biden/Maidan/Slavic Spring, eight years of war, and two years with the current regime, absolutely. Abortionists, Gosnell, Cecile, yes, following a trans-religion (i.e. ethical, divergent from moral). The followers of rites for social, redistributive, clinical, and fair weather causes, all.
Gahrie said...
@farmgirl
We usually agree, but on this one, I'm with Biden. Transexuals are just as human as you and me, if perhaps slightly more fucked up. Thus if you believe that humans were made in the image of God, so were they.
************************************
What perverse sophistry.
No society has ever acted on the idea that "anything goes".
The idea of humans being created in the "image" of God obviously has ever meant to convey that we are all God and can do whatever the fuck we want.
Again:: if that were true, why the Ten Commandments?
Does God eat people, as Jeffrey Dahmer did ?
Did God kill 6 million of his own Chosen People, or was that Hitler acting because God told him to?
You are obviously a Dumbass, not just World Class, but Cosmic Class.
No, transsexuals are not "perhaps slightly more fucked up." They are mentally and emotionally disturbed.
They demand to be treated as if they are "special", and given special rights, many curiously oriented toward allowing them to invade standards of sexual privacy.
So if every human can tell you they are made in the image and likeness of God---and therefore can do what the fuck they want---are you down with that?
If so, Gahrie, are you telling us that YOU will invade ladies' rooms and high school locker rooms to check out all that Premium Poontang?
Because YOU, snigger snigger, want to peer over the shower stalls? Or under the ladies toil toilet stalls?
After all, isn't that what all humans have always done?
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, PERVO.
I predict Gahrie will do what he always does, which to run into the tall grass and not defend his perversity.
Well.
I don’t have much time- it’s getting late and husband is already in the barn.
We ARE all made in the image of God- created equal and knit w/in the womb.
Even when we do the most despicable/heinous things- we are children of the Creator. That doesn’t mean we don’t get punished - and if we go to Hell- are we disowned? By choice- we leave Him. He is a Father, after all.
I grew up believing God doesn’t make junk. Taught to treat all w/dignity. A trans takes the image of G*d “they” were created in and is not pleased. Where every difference counts- they counter once again. Their mind says: I create the Truth I am.
What is Truth?
Biden- who cannot see equality w/in the womb created- takes the mutilation of a trans and declares it “good”.
And anyone who counts the scars as harmful- a bigot.
To the androgy. Angels are androgynous, I believe. Our G*d is masculine/feminine. So much more than two lines in a pathetic little comment- here. But He is not neutered.
Note to self- be careful what you ask (for) ;0)
farmgirl said...
[...]
"Could you explain this to me, please- someone? Anyone?
It’s Liberaleeze, and I’m not fluent. I kinda want to say it goes w/the princess post… and that if being a princess is the only thing we can use to feed the souls of our children- then we’re pathetic?"
I think, rather, that it's part of the Left's strategy to distract, disorient, and destabilize the normal family order. Triple D maneuvering. That's in line with the Marxist goal of abolishing family relationships in favor of everything belonging to the State.
I'll also posit that Joe Biden may not have come up with that statement on his own. I question his ability to think through its implications. Rather, I think it was spoon-fed to him - perhaps literally - by his advisors.
The race for April Fool is on!
Wildswan- thanks.
A man who doesn’t cry out for those made in the image of God w/in their mothers’ wombs, but can totes see Him reflected in the image of a trans(who cannot reconcile that they, themselves, are fearfully and wonderfully made) is not concerned w/Truth. Moral relativism is not a good look on a professed Catholic.
John Nolte on the Will Smith Scandal...
"I couldn’t be any more in love with this scandal if it looked like Pam Grier and tasted like cheesecake."
There's some imaging for ya!
Biden talking about God is like Biden saying "frankly": it's an indication that he doesn't believe what comes next. I guess it's more or less like that with all politicians.
Sure, if one believes in God, then humans are made in the image and likeness of God, but doesn't POTUS have more important things to do than deliver little homilies about how close he is to the deity.
&lol @Kate.
You pointed it out and you have a good eye.
Bird w/a mission.
8 am This Saturday morning and we are getting those Huge snow flakes Ann had last week. It's exactly 32F according to my atomic clock.
ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, PERVO.
I already did, in the same post, in the paragraphs you obviously didn't read. I quote myself:
That doesn't mean that God is endorsing transgenderism, or that the president or government should. If you believe these people are mentally ill and emotionally compromised as I do, you should pity them.
That being said, I reject and condemn all attempts to normalize their behavior or consider them women. They are either transvestites (pre surgery) or transwomen (post surgery) but not women. We should not be attempting to reorder society to accommodate the mental illness of a very small number of people.
https://youtu.be/8wCjz2SIYVo
This is the Biden video.
Cardinal’s thought bubble: FIRST!
"He did not create us female in a male body, nor male in a female body. God does not make mistakes. If He made someone male, in a male body, that is because the person IS male."
But there are some physically intersex people. You'll have to say these are not mistakes. But they don't fit the rest of your idea.
"But there are some physically intersex people."
0.018 % of the population. 18 thousandths of one percent.Not statistically relevant.
Oh. I'm sure they're relevant to their families but for the transgender argument they are not.
@rusty
Look at the proposition I am refuting. Your point does not matter. If it’s a mistake, it could be one in a billion and it would be God’s mistake under the proposition in question.
Don’t change the issue to God’s mistakes are rare!
President Joe Biden said that transgender people are “made in the image of God” in an announcement Thursday on “transgender day of visibility.”
======
if @rusty wants to object : mistakes are to be maintained or corrected?
can the "medical" establishment then claim “made into the image of God” as justify for actions?
Ann, intersex persons are not God's mistakes. They are part of a broken world, broken by sin. None of us are born perfect and some of us are less perfect than others. However, all human beings bear the image of God according to orthodox Christianity. This forces us to treat every single person as someone of dignity, no matter what they have done good or bad. This is one of the contributions that Christianity has made to our world today.
“But there are some physically intersex people. You'll have to say these are not mistakes. But they don't fit the rest of your idea.”
Two-headed turtles sort of mistake?
That card got his eye on the World Series. Cardinals in 5 games later this year.
Look at the proposition I am refuting. Your point does not matter. If it’s a mistake, it could be one in a billion and it would be God’s mistake under the proposition in question.
He created them that way to teach us humility, empathy and compassion. (If you're religious)
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