March 27, 2022

"With nine ad-libbed words at the end of a 27-minute speech, Biden created an unwanted distraction to his otherwise forceful remarks by calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be pushed out of office."

"'For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,' Biden said. It was a remarkable statement that would reverse stated U.S. policy, directly countering claims from senior administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who have insisted regime change is not on the table. It went further than even U.S. presidents during the Cold War, and immediately reverberated around the world as world leaders, diplomats, and foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant — and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it."

Write Tyler Pager and Matt Viser in The Washington Post, in "How Biden sparked a global uproar with nine ad-libbed words about Putin/By declaring that the Russian leader ‘cannot remain in power,’ the U.S. president seemed to suggest a drastic change in U.S. policy — prompting a scramble by White House officials." 

Watching the video, I can't understand the basis for labeling the statement "ad-libbed." Biden seems to be reading a speech, a bit robotically and on the edge of stumbling, and he slows down a bit and gets quite emphatic. He seems to build up toward that conclusion and fully intend it as a conclusion. I don't see how it's "an unwanted distraction to... otherwise forceful remarks." It's delivered in a manner that is more forceful than the surrounding remarks.

But how could it have been deliberately scripted? Some White House official — who? — reacted almost immediately and tried to make it go away with an incredibly lame argument that Biden just meant that "Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region."

So, the evidence that it was "ad-libbed" is merely that unnamed associates of the President are saying that after the fact. The WaPo writers assist the White House:

Biden’s line was not planned and came as a surprise to U.S. officials, according to a person familiar with the speech who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation.

I presume the WaPo writers are skeptical, but they see a dire need to help. We're living in the shadow of World War III.

In the immediate aftermath of the remark, reporters rushed to find Biden aides and seek clarity on the president seemingly supporting a regime change in Russia. But Biden aides demurred, refusing to comment as they scrambled to craft a response.

Reporters rushed and aides scrambled. This sounds like a description of the in-person scene. One of the article-writers, Pager, was there in Warsaw. I presume he witnessed chaos. This next part sounds like it's the scene back in Washington. The other article writer, Viser, reported from Washington.

White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter.

Do you believe that? I don't. There is mind-blowing incompetence whether it's true or false. How can you have a United States President, giving the most high-profile speech on the most dire matter, and accept that he stumbles off message. It's his penchant. They had a "carefully crafted text," but he veered.

It likely signals to Putin what he already suspected about Biden’s true feelings, and it almost certainly will be used as part of Russia’s propaganda.

Our propaganda says whatever Putin says is propaganda.

“What it tells me, and worries me, is that the top team is not thinking about plausible war termination,” said Michael O’Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and author of the book “The Art of War in an Age of Peace: U.S. Grand Strategy and Resolute Restraint.” “If they were, Biden’s head wouldn’t be in a place where he’s saying, ‘Putin must go.’ The only way to get to war termination is to negotiate with this guy,” O’Hanlon said. “When you say this guy must go you’ve essentially declared you’re not going to do business with him...."

This is exactly what Trump would not have done. Mentions of Trump in the article: 0.

Over the past few weeks, Biden’s rhetoric on Putin — a man he once recounted telling to his face, “I don’t think you have a soul” — has become increasingly pointed. He has called him a “butcher” “pure thug” and a “murderous dictator.” So saying that he should be removed from power could viewed as the logical next step....

In other words: There can be no negotiation. Ad-libbed or not, he meant to say it. Whatever escaped from his mouth came from his brain.

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told state news agencies, “That’s not for Biden to decide. The president of Russia is elected by Russians.”

I await the new Russian propaganda that weaves in Biden's outrage at our January 6th attempted "coup."

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gilbar said...

SO, They're advocating War with Russia! BIG Deal!
So, it will go Nuclear! BIG DEAL!
I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed.. But i AM saying;
No more 200 to 300 million americans killed.. TOPS! ah, depending on the breaks

Kevin said...

For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power

Biden is just repeating what he hears coming from outside the Oval Office.

Christopher B said...

"The business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it."

These idiots think Putin started a splendid little war and the troops will be home by Christmas.

Nicholas said...

Biden needs to say those words in front of a mirror.

Mr Wibble said...

I believe that it was an outburst, but that it reflects what the admin, and the globalist class have believed for a long time: they wanted to use Ukraine as a base to undermine Russia with an eventual Color Revolution. Putin knows it, which is why he pushed to invade Ukraine.

Gilbert Pinfold said...

Corn Pop was a bad dude, you lying dog-faced pony soldier.

Enigma said...

James Howard Kunstler always writes "Joe Biden" in quotes to indicate that Biden is nothing more than the sock puppet of his backroom handlers. Veering off message by an empty-headed puppet who's rarely allowed to speak...is certainly not news to anyone in the world.

https://kunstler.com/writings/clusterfuck-nation/

The recent shift in tone at the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, etc. could be the start of admitting that the forceful, coordinated effort to eject Trump in 2020 was a massive error and pyrrhic victory. With TDS likely fading, prepare for a national shift toward de facto Trumpism all around.

Will J. Richardson said...

Why is anyone surprised?

drail said...

If America is going to have insane leader then Russia should have one too. It's only fair.....

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

Two Scoops stumbled into the dog sh*t again. His dementia kicked into overdrive at the end of that speech, exhibiting the aggressiveness component of Alzheimer's. We can rely on Two Scoops to get foreign policy wrong and we can never underestimate his ability to screw the pooch.

Release the teleprompter script! The world wonders whether it was Two Scoops adlibbing or a deliberate part of the speech. The way the aides are scrambling, I'd bet the latter.

wendybar said...

What did Joe Biden say when he saw his reflection in the teleprompter? “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.” (comment I saw on another blog...can't find it to name the author)

Wince said...

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told state news agencies, “That’s not for Biden to decide. The president of Russia is elected by Russians.”

Remember Biden's reversal on sanctions. Rather than deterrence, after sanctions failed to deter the invasion, he talked about long sanctions being the tool to end the conflict.

In Biden's addled brain-tongue connection, Biden probably assumes everyone picked up on his idea that long sanctions will eventuate Putin's departure from power via domestic Russian forces, election or otherwise.

tim in vermont said...

I watch Bloomberg, from time to time, on account of sheer venality allows the truth out occasionally, where blindly accepting regime propaganda might cost their viewers actual money. Anyway, the view there seems to be that sanctions may be lifted, but until Putin is gone, companies won't deal with Russia; companies are calling for regime change.

It reminds me of that Popeye episode where the story of how the sea got salty was told, Olive Oyle had a salt grinder and once she started grinding it, it got out of control and wouldn't stop until the whole ocean was salty. Well, that seems to be what's happening with our propaganda machine, it's out of control. It makes you wonder if Biden is being trusted with the facts on the ground, or is being fed the same war propaganda we are.

Wince said...

wendybar said...
What did Joe Biden say when he saw his reflection in the teleprompter? “For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.”

Or Biden heard in his earpiece when his aids forgot to hit the mute button.

Mr Wibble said...

“If they were, Biden’s head wouldn’t be in a place where he’s saying, ‘Putin must go.’ The only way to get to war termination is to negotiate with this guy,” O’Hanlon said. “When you say this guy must go you’ve essentially declared you’re not going to do business with him...."
This is exactly what Trump would not have done. Mentions of Trump in the article: 0.


Trump's bombastic personality was always in large part theater. It was a sales technique that allowed him to manipulate other leaders by keeping them off balance and happy when he suddenly was willing to cut a deal.

Mr Wibble said...

Biden probably assumes everyone picked up on his idea that long sanctions will eventuate Putin's departure from power via domestic Russian forces, election or otherwise.

Which is hilarious because sanctions never work to force regime change.

MikeR said...

Probably the same as Reagan's "Tear down this wall!" Something he wanted to say, but his advisors and speech-writers opposed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_down_this_wall!#Background
The difference is that Reagan was in charge. Once he decided to say it, and said it, that was the story going forward. Biden is this guy they stand up there to make speeches once in a while, who frequently blabbers stuff they don't want. Then they need to patch it.

Beasts of England said...

Biden voters are sure to be relieved that the adults are back in charge…

Mr Wibble said...

Biden voters are sure to be relieved that the adults are back in charge…

Such adulting. Much in charge.

Mark said...

Ronald Reagan made it clear that the Evil Empire should not even exist.

But then again, he was a reckless, globalist, neo-con.

wildswan said...

The good news is that we can tell the Russians that Biden is a demented fool who isn't running the show and be believed. The bad news is that Americans aren't allowed to know the same thing.

Mark said...

Who would have thought that the "better red than dead," "nuclear-free Europe" crowd would have migrated to the right wing?

mezzrow said...

Looks like this is the best we can do.

Enjoy every day. Give as much love as you can.

It is what it is.

Bitter Clinger said...

Where’s Howard? I guess the DNC-MSM haven’t settled on the final talking points to tie this to Trump.

Mark said...

The good news is that we can tell the Russians that Biden is a demented fool who isn't running the show and be believed.

The bad news is that -- it IS bad news, isn't it? well, I think it is bad news -- is that after you all reassure the Russians, then they will take that as license to do whatever they damn well please, including moving into the rest of Eastern Europe. Because we - well, you - think that we should be afraid of these forces while insignificant Ukraine is putting the U.S. to shame.

rehajm said...

Scary is the ‘of course he meant to say’ army…

Yancey Ward said...

This dumb fuck we have as President of the United States is going to blunder us into another war, and one that can end the world.

gilbar said...

Blogger wildswan said...
The good news is that we can tell the Russians that Biden is a demented fool who isn't running the show

Serious Question:
Is General Milley going to call up the russians and to assure them that the United States was "100 percent steady" and not on the brink of collapse or war?
I mean, Surely, Milley "was certain that Biden had gone into a serious mental decline"

Or, do i have my Presidents mixed up? OR, did Milley have His Presidents mixed up?

Michael said...

Gaffe it may be, but the idea didn't just come to Biden. You know there are discussions about Regime Change taking place in the west wing.

Regime Change is our back room policy. Joe's mistake was in stating the unstated.

hawkeyedjb said...

Meanwhile, Biden's negotiators are working overtime to get nuclear weapons into the hands of the apocalypto-lunatics in Iran. Oh, don't we all feel so much safer now. The adults are back in charge, but they're either demented or repulsive oikophobes.

Bob Boyd said...

Biden or Putin, who will last longer?

Bets?

narciso said...

see the piece I excerpted last night,

BUMBLE BEE said...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/26/neil-oliver-emphasizes-once-you-see-the-weaponized-political-corruption-you-cannot-unsee-it/
Second step?
https://www.dailyveracity.com/2022/03/22/ukraine-government-implements-e-governance-social-credit-tracking-system-all-personal-documents-banking-passport-go-digital/

Milo Minderbinder said...

Looks like the Jan 6th crowd were the smartest people in that room after all.

The Fool and the Vice Fool are leading us into WWIII. It's not a "penchant," but rather accumulating evidence of incompetence and malfeasance. The sooner we're rid of them, the better.

Achilles said...

The fast part is coming for Putin.

The fast part is also coming for Biden.

Nobody publicly supports him on this.

Only a small number of people in DC would object to Biden being deposed and the only objection they have is that it would be a threat to their power.

Everyone in the country outside DC except a couple idiots wants Biden and the regime that surrounds him gone. He got about 65 million votes and the rest were main in bullshit or 100% turnouts from nursing homes.

They will try to stop the election from happening in November.

Achilles said...

hawkeyedjb said...

Meanwhile, Biden's negotiators are working overtime to get nuclear weapons into the hands of the apocalypto-lunatics in Iran. Oh, don't we all feel so much safer now. The adults are back in charge, but they're either demented or repulsive oikophobes.

The deal was negotiated by Russia on our behalf. It allows Iran to pay Russia billions of dollars.

Anyone notice how Biden is doing nothing to stop Russia from getting money from oil and nat gas? All of that money goes to Putin. Biden has only put in place sanctions that crush the people of Russia.

Biden is trying to fund and start WW3 on purpose because he knows he is despised by the American people and his regime is illegitimate.

He would rather have war than lose power.

rehajm said...

Not ad lib, Mad Lib…

'For (NOUN)’s sake, this (NOUN) cannot remain in (ANY WORD YOU REMEMBER)’

Leland said...

I don't believe for a second that it was ad-libbed, because to many reports from the media were ready with the line "this is Biden's 'tear down this wall' speech". Of course, there is a big difference than asking a leader of another country to change their behavior versus asking another country to change their leader.

Alas, I think those words will have legs. Because right now, I feel like there is no greater truth in America than "For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power". It is a meme that speaks to the speaker.

gilbar said...

Super Serious Question, from gilbar (a person who had a traumatic brain injury)

If someone asked President Biden, to name as many animals that start with the letter B;
how many would he name in 60 seconds?
(i'm asking as someone that wasn't allowed to leave the hospital until he could name a Lot)

I wonder what he'd say if they asked him What today's date is? Or what city he is in?
WHAT would he answer, if asked "who is the President, of the United States"?

Lem the artificially intelligent said...

Remember when Obama had to correct Biden about negotiating with the GOP over Obamacare? “We won” said the senior Biden, to the consternation of the junior president, who was fully aware the GOP controlled both houses of congress.

Owen said...

Ad lib implies intention, where the speaker is in control of the argument and seizes a chance to improve on the text.

Biden is incapable of ad lib, because he is not in control. He’s a script reader who suffers from emotional breakdowns. He may not have conscious control: more like Tourette’s than a purposeful excursus.

The only “ad lib” here is the WH staff’s desperate effort to lie their way past this giant steaming pile.

Beasts of England said...

’Ronald Reagan made it clear that the Evil Empire should not even exist.’

In case you forgot, Reagan was referring to the Soviet Union, which no longer exists - largely thanks to The Gipper.

We’re discussing our current president and a country known as Russia.

wendybar said...

What else is new?? WAPO and NYT ALWAYS assist Progressives by changing what was actually said, if they report it at all.

BUMBLE BEE said...

Democrats own this, lock, stock and smoking barrel

David Begley said...

I hope Zuckerberg is happy when CA gets nuked.

Paul said...

Didn't Obama talk about Biden's legendary ability to f*ckup?

Why then are we shocked? Three times he babbled over there and they had to 'clarify' his remarks.

Worst... President... Ever.

And we have almost three more years to go!

Miss Trump Yet?

J Severs said...

I bet Putin will take Biden's end remarks very seriously. Sure the WH staff 'clarified' the remarks. But Biden is still president. He can still issue orders even if staff disagrees (see Afghanistan withdrawal).

JAORE said...

"...many reports from the media were ready with the line "this is Biden's 'tear down this wall' speech"."

Yep, damn near Churchillian/Reaganesque in its brilliance.

Except... Biden's people brought out the mega mops at breakneck speed.

Skeptical Voter said...

I refuse to believe that Biden is the best we can do; OTOH he is better than Kamala.

Letting this demented old dude out on stage with a microphone means that this country always has one foot on the proverbial banana peel. A slip and fall will occur because there is no brain in that skull full of addled mush. The posse that controls him should no better than to let him off his verbal leash.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

Large organizations are now dominated by their woke staff. This may be especially true of today's White House, since there is some question as to who is officially in charge. Woke speech writers, instead of saying we want to save Ukraine, said basically: we are willing to destroy Ukraine and a lot of other places in order to overthrow Putin. Batshit crazy, I would think, and hardly encouraging even or especially to Zelensky. I think the woke welcome a holy war against someone who reminds them of Trump. They may tell themselves this will be a largely non-violent war: using sanctions, banks taking away money, etc.

Leland said...

One day in the future, the media will remark how a Democratic President is like President Trump when Trump told Merkle not to tie Germany's future by negotiating energy supply deals with Putin. Or when Trump told NATO that it should start spending its own money on its own defense.

Bob Boyd said...

Meh...I want to see Biden banging the podium with his shoe and screaming, "We will bury you!"

Roger Sweeny said...

For many speeches, a copy of the prepared remarks is distributed to the press beforehand so they can follow along and maybe begin writing their stories before the speaker has actually spoken. Is there a prepared text for this speech?

I find it hard to believe that the "cannot remain in power" line was in the prepared text. It's like the idea to establish and enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine. That sounds good but a little thought makes you realize that would be escalating things very badly. Which is why a politician, who is always hoping for applause lines, might ad lib it. But I would hope the grown-ups in the White House are more thoughtful.

Yancey Ward said...

"But I would hope the grown-ups in the White House are more thoughtful."

Who are these grown-ups?

wendybar said...

Take a look at how excited Progressives are that Joe said that. It's almost like they are okay with a Nuclear war!!! twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/03/27/hoo-boy-talk-about-a-blue-check-buffet-of-batshttery-praising-bidens-russia-speech-here-are-the-best-or-worst-lol/

Narayanan said...

who have insisted regime change is not on the table.
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regime change has always been under the table for the 10%ers with USA media holding table skirt in place

Sebastian said...

If ad-libbed, it shows Biden is a disaster. If not, his team is a disaster.

“What it tells me, and worries me, is that the top team is not thinking about plausible war termination,” said Michael O’Hanlon,

Of course. But he's obviously another Putin stooge, so don't listen to him.

"In other words: There can be no negotiation."

Which means destruction of Ukraine, famine elsewhere, plus ruinous inflation.

And what would we gain from regime change in Russia? Is there even a realistic chance we could get a truly different regime?

Butkus51 said...

So the White House is racist for criticizing Ice cream Joe?

Isnt that how that works?

Butkus51 said...

Still waiting on my free mask from Joe. He said and he dont lie.

hood talk

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Americans should google the war in Donbass.

nah - you can get all your lies and feel-good lefty hate and hivemind bullshit talking points from CNN and MSNBC!

Mkd said...

He heard his good friend Lindsey Graham say something similar recently. We all know Biden's penchant for plagiarism. Probably nothing more than that.

robother said...

There is a shooting war in Ukraine. And there is the Economic War of the massive sanctions against Russia and its economy. At the very least, I would take this as an escalation of the Economic War, effectively saying that the sanctions will stay or only get worse until Putin is removed. (Whether the rest of NATO powers were consulted--much less board--with this kind of long war is doubtful.)

Of course, the threat of a real (nuclear) escalation with Russia is made much worse by this rhetoric. Backing Putin into a corner where he has nothing to lose by firing his nukes is what Democrat and Republican Presidents managed to avoid during the 40 year Cold War. But Joe knows better.

Narayanan said...

I had not earlier accepted Joe has dementia!

now I wonder if Biden thought it was '2020 election rally' and he had Trump in mind for saying "For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power"

Narayanan said...

do I win spin-master prize?

Amadeus 48 said...

This is the Biden we have known for 50 years: stupid, empty, vicious.

Why is anyone surprised?

To have him as POTUS is a clear and present danger to the interests of the people of the United States of America, but that was true before he was elected.

Let's go Brandon.

JPS said...

Lately I've been remembering when the Obama administration wanted to take a victory lap for killing bin Laden. As far as that went, fine; any administration would, and, however else I felt about them, they'd earned that one.

But the National Security Adviser (a career political fixer with no prior experience in, you know, national security) kept blathering on to the press about Seal Team Six, Seal Team Six, we sure are masters at the use of Seal Team Six!

One day Bob Gates shows up in his door and remarks cheerfully, "I have a new strategic communications approach to recommend on Seal Team Six."

"What's that?" Donilon asks.

"Shut the fuck up."

Anyway, I thought of Bob Gates' strategic communications approach when Lindsey Graham mused that someone should off Putin, and I thought of it again yesterday. I may agree with both of them – but talking about this publicly is very reckless, and may actually make it less likely to happen.

Narayanan said...

Batshit crazy, I would think, and hardly encouraging even or especially to Zelensky.
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Z'skyy already has billions in USA. May even stay back for party-ing after addressing Oscar crowd

rhhardin said...

Hindenburg matchbook cover: "For God's sake close cover before striking."

Gahrie said...

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm really appreciating how boring the Biden administration has been.

Lurker21 said...

"Unscripted" is probably a better word. I don't think these outbursts are "off the cuff." Biden intends to say these things. They are deliberate and intentional, though I certainly wouldn't call them thought out. I doubt Biden is capable of meaningful thought, but he knows "Putin bad" and wants to say it, shout it, whisper it. The comments the staff has to roll back may be the only thing in Biden's speeches that are really Biden's own contribution.

If someone asked President Biden, to name as many animals that start with the letter B;
how many would he name in 60 seconds?


Not an easy question.

Barracuda. Bison, Buffalo (one animal or two?). Bambi.

That's pretty much all I got.

Two minutes later:

Bobcat. Bear. Beaver.

Brontosaurus.

Roger Sweeny said...

ABC News has a story up with what it calls "the full transcript of Biden's speech". The line "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power" appears in the last paragraph. I don't know whether this is the prepared remarks or an actually transcribing of what he said. The last paragraph also includes a "[Applause]" so maybe the latter. If it's the prepared text, Jeeesh! Tom Schelling would not approve.

Christopher B said...

JPS - whether it makes it more or less likely to happen, it does make whatever Russian would dare do it look like a another puppet of whoever is running Biden.

Narayanan said...

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told state news agencies, “That’s not for Biden to decide. The president of Russia is elected by Russians.”
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is that is a pointed comment : that resembles Americans - who don't get to elect the president of USA but leave it to party operatives?

Original Mike said...

"Do you believe that? I don't. There is mind-blowing incompetence whether it's true or false. How can you have a United States President, giving the most high-profile speech on the most dire matter, and accept that he stumbles off message."

Yes, I do believe it. While he has been getting worse as his mental faculties decline, Biden has always been a bully with no diplomatic sense. As to accepting it; to cut Biden loose would be to threaten their hold on power, which is all these people care about.

I see nothing here that surprises me. Dismays me yes, but not surprises me.

Roger Sweeny said...

From Mickey Kaus, about the speech:

Re, long war against Putin: "we must commit now to be in this fight for the long haul. We must remain unified today and tomorrow and the day after. And for the years and decades to come. It will not be easy. There will be costs. But it is a price we have to pay ..." etc.

Strike the ad lib line. It's still a speech that seems to make it completely clear that, even if Putin withdraws from Ukraine, Biden & NATO intend to wage a long war against "autocracy" in Russia. Why is that a good message to send right now?

Another obvious explanation: Biden's emulating JFK's first inaugural ("long twilight struggle," etc.) and Berlin speech. Except Biden's seems more sweepingly adversarial, less nuanced.

Michael K said...

This demented old man, foisted on Americas by a cabal of rich globalists, is going to get us into a war.

Original Mike said...

I don't see any resemblance to "tear down this wall". Reagan was calling on Gorbachev to act. Biden is saying we will act. Biden's statement is overtly threatening.

FleetUSA said...

Definitely Mike (@10:26)

Trump would show Putin how to act...as he did with the Norks.

Of course with clueless FJB and heelsup, the Norks are getting frisky again too.

Scott Patton said...

Biden bears all the credit or all the blame.
Time will tell.

Lucien said...

“A person familiar with the speech who spoke on condition of anonymity”!!?
I guess if I read the text of the speech once I could offer an anonymous opinion too.
That, THAT is the level of reporting practiced at the WaPo? After all the anonymously sourced stories they’ve fucked up over the last seven years?

DanTheMan said...

Putin has amended the laws in Russia so he is President for life.
So when you say he has to go, what does that mean, Joe?

Take as much time as you need...

narciso said...

ironically he was writing about the end of the cold war,


https://genius.com/Don-henley-the-end-of-the-innocence-lyrics

Lurker21 said...

In fact, it was here in Warsaw when a young refugee who fled her home country from Czechoslovakia was under Soviet domination, came back to speak and stand in solidarity with dissidence. Her name was Madeleine Korbel Albright. She became one of the most ardent supporters of democracy in the world. She was a friend with whom I served. America's first woman Secretary of State.

The teleprompter remembered her name even if Joe didn't.

The more Biden talks about "democracy" the more questions I have about just what he means.

To date, the United States has sanctioned 140 Russian oligarchs and their family members, seizing their ill-begotten gains, their yachts, their luxury apartments, their mansions.

Is that actually legal?

I guess the fortunate oligarchs were the ones who passed their ill-begotten gains on to Hunter before they could be seized.

Ukraine will never be a victory for Russia, for free people refuse to live in a world of hopelessness and darkness. We will have a different future, a brighter future, rooted in democracy and principle, hope and light. Of decency and dignity and freedom and possibilities.

Is that really working out here at home?

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

All of these comparison to previous presidents' speeches just shows Two Scoop's continued plagiarism. He's never said anything original, just "borrowed" from the competent speakers to make it his own.

Jen Psaki should take Two Scoops out for a chocolate, chocolate chip ice cream cone. That he can handle, not much else.

Brian said...

This is just an another example of the Sorkin "West Wing" model of governance. They are praying the writer gets them out of this jam.

Putin being removed from power in Russia solves their problem and allows them to pivot. But of course if Putin doesn't get removed, it just made everything worse. Just like the "war criminal" lines in the past.

I swear they don't think past the next news cycle sometimes. We're being led by unserious folks.

Yancey Ward said...

.....bat, baboon, badger, bulldog, bassett hound, beagle, border collie, barn owl, blue jay. If you include insects as "animals", butterfly, beatle, Bret Stephens.....

walter said...

Yancey Ward said...This dumb fuck we have as President of the United States is going to blunder us into another war, and one that can end the world.
--
But no mean tweets!
To be fair, much like his denial re deterrence, in a few days he can deny ever suggesting removal.
As promised, he's leading "an effective strategy to mobilize trunalimunumaprzure".

Owen said...

Lurker21 @ 10:42: You quote Biden as saying "ill-begotten gains" which IMHO is itself cringeworthy: jarringly off, pretentious and a sign of sloppy thinking and weak command of language.

The expression is "ill-GOTTEN" gains, as in "stuff that was wrongly acquired." "Ill-begotten" is near-nonsense and I guess would mean "stuff that came into being through dishonorable means."

Further evidence --as if any were needed-- that the current Administration doesn't much care about appearances, let alone substance. It's garbage all the way down.

/rant

Bob Boyd said...

Her name was Madeleine Korbel Albright. She became one of the most ardent supporters of democracy in the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpvandaBCfE&ab_channel=LindaWilson

hombre said...

In less than a year QuidProJoe has laid the foundation for domestic ruin in the US. Why not follow up with international ruin? How about nuclear war in Europe? In the Middle East?

I no longer have progressive friends and just barely tolerate progressive relatives. It is not possible to discuss important issues with them. Facts piss them off. And when you ask them how they feel about Biden, Harris, Pelosi, AOL and friends, they go up in smoke.

LA_Bob said...

In 1984, Ronald Reagan, running for re-election, accidentally spoke into a hot mike and said, "I've just signed legislation banning Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."

A few years later, the Russians acknowledged they could not sustain the Cold War and ended the Soviet Union. To do so, they had to trust that America and NATO would not attack.

I suspect the Russians easily recognize liars and propagandists considering they themselves lie so much. I'd bet Biden's words just roll off them like water off a duck's back. They are for western political consumption, nothing more. At least I hope so.

But actions are different. And the eastward expansion of NATO was a provocations the Russians take a bit less lightly.

Owen said...

Nobody has yet responded to gilbar's "B word" challenge with the obvious winner:

Are you sitting down?

BANDICOOT

Kai Akker said...


---This demented old man, foisted on Americas by a cabal of rich globalists, is going to get us into a war. [Michael K]

It sure looks like it. Every Democrat should think about how this Presidency came to be. The karma part is awful to consider.

One footnote from me, this man was stupid long before he became demented. Imagine the political party that thought he was suitable for the Presidency of the USA.

robother said...

To paraphrase Mickey Kaus, even without the "ad libbed" line, the whole speech is effectively the declaration of a new multi-generation Cold War against Russia. Hard to see this as anything more considered than a PR effort to boost Biden's polls. I suppose from that political point of view, the fact that Biden's rhetoric only make Putin dig in harder is a feature, not a bug: gotta make that War Bump last through the 2024 elections!

Of course, the real world implications (e.g., for NATO countries looking at years of economic regression) in a globalist world after 30 years of outsourced mining and manufacturing are beyond the competency of anyone in the Biden White House. Much less the subtleties of the MAD doctrine. Its easy to imagine Joe bloviating "I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed!"

Iman said...

Trunalimunumaprzure!

gilbar said...

hey people! here's a Serious Question
the latest NBC poll shows biden's approval rate at an all time low of 42% (55% disapprove)

So, my serious question is: Is Dr Jill still happy with her decision to have her hubby President?
They were ultra rich before, what has she gained being married to The Worst President in History?

Bob Boyd said...

If you wanted Biden to step down, slipping a line like that into his speech would advance you toward your goal.

Narayanan said...

DanTheMan said...
Putin has amended the laws in Russia so he is President for life.
So when you say he has to go, what does that mean, Joe?

Take as much time as you need...
============
there was fear that Trump would declare himself a lifer President.
could Joe Manage it?

Critter said...

Can we just cancel the rest of Biden’s term and hold the 2024 election now? If we don’t we may not recognize America or the world in 2024.

Narayanan said...

so Putin blunders into Ukraine : West chortles with glee

so Biden blunders into WW3 : West cringes in awe and shocked fear

D have achieved political longevity/immortality

Aesop said...

The White House is just admitting, by using the term "ad-lib" that they have no idea what's going to come out of his mouth at any minute.

Now they know how the other 300M of us feel, every day.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Owen said...

"Ill-begotten" is near-nonsense and I guess would mean "stuff that came into being through dishonorable means."

You actually think the Biden's don't have any experience with something like that? Have you not heard about Hunter's stripper baby-mama?

minnesota farm guy said...

For those of us old enough to remember: how did the Kennedy/Lodge regime change in South Viet Nam work out?

Talk about a ridiculous raising of the stakes. We want Russia out of Ukraine as soon as possible. Telling the Russians that one of the negotiating points is too get rid of Putin is beyond "fucked up".

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...

“The good news is that we can tell the Russians that Biden is a demented fool who isn't running the show and be believed.”

No need to tell anyone. I’m pretty sure this was understood by every intelligence service and foreign ministry in the world even before Biden was installed.

Owen said...

NorthOfTheOneOhOne @ 12:03: "...[Do I] actually think the Biden's don't have any experience with something like that?..."

Hey, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday! I'm super-aware of Crack Boy's antics but I was trying to maintain a classy pose and just talk about illiteracy. ...Next time I'll try to cover all the angles.

PS: Love your screen name.

Bruce Hayden said...

“This demented old man, foisted on Americas by a cabal of rich globalists, is going to get us into a war.”

To be fair, he is also going to destroy our economy along the way. What the 29 year olds running the White House failed to consider is that the reason that we have been able to massively over spend over the last several decades is that other countries around the world have been buying our debt, because the US dollar is still the reserve currency around the world. That has meant that the Fed hasn’t had to buy it, as the purchaser of last resort. The problem is that when the Fed purchases it, it is funded by them essentially printing money (essentially, because it is mostly done electronically now), and then that new money exploding the money supply through the monetary multiplier (effectively 1/Reserve Requirements). With the tautology MV=PQ, exploding the money supply (M) will, by necessity drive up the price level (P), which ultimately controls interest rates. Interest rates are going to rise as a result, driving up the cost of debt service in our budget. And with the $3 Trillion or so excess spending since FJB was installed, there is a lot of debt to be bought by someone.

So, what does FJB and his handlers do? They set out to destroy the position of the US Dollar as the world reserve currency. Part of being the world reserve currency is being able to conduct business in $$$. So, now, Russia can’t buy or sell in $$$. They have oil and gas, some wheat, and raw materials, even military armaments that the world wants, even needs with the oil and gas (of course, the FJB Administration made that worse too, by destroying our energy independence). Are the Europeans, the Chinese, Indians, etc, going to freeze in the winter, suffer blackouts, or not drive their vehicles because they can’t buy from Russia using $$$? Of course not. They just use someone else’s currency. Other countries are watching this closely too. China, which very likely owns more of our sovereign debt than anyone else, and sees what happens when the US does something like this to Russia, is apparently moving towards buying and selling in its own currency now.

And, of course, the Dems’s answer to the inflation that they have caused already, is to send everyone checks to cover the inflation they caused with their proliferate spending, checks funded by deficit spending, which likely means maybe a 5x of that amount (assuming a 20% bank reserve requirement) increase in our money supply (thanks to the monetary multiplier), since the Fed will have to buy that debt now, goosing inflation that much more.

Original Mike said...

“I’m pretty sure this was understood by every intelligence service and foreign ministry in the world even before Biden was installed."

No, I believe it will be understood as what it likely is: Joe repeating what he has heard the others around him discussing.

Bruce Hayden said...

“PS: Love your screen name.” (NorthOfTheOneOhOne)

As I remember, the 101 he is talking about is the inner AZ 101 beltway around PHX and suburbs. We live just south of it, this time of year, by maybe a half mile, but maybe 15 miles east of him. Maybe 20. The PHX metro area sprawls, 4.5 million people mostly living in single family dwellings. Like LA, but maybe half the size - so far. So, we are not quite next door neighbors - but close. Ok, with maybe 1/4 million people between us. So far though, it appears much better run.

Rusty said...

Weird vibe here. But I'm getting the impression that for every Javelin missile we send Ukraine Hunter pockets fifty grand. So of course the war must continue.

Rabel said...

The assumption that the man who follows Putin into power will be better than Putin could possibly be wrong.

Oh yeah. The next guy could be a lot worse. It's fucking Russia.

Howard said...

I see you good evangelical Trumpsters are still rooting for Putin. Biden dares to put a bully in the right perspective accidentally on purpose because somebody had to say it. Trump praising Putin and Xi gets a standing ovation from his obesity army in Georgia.

Achilles said...

Howard said...

I see you good evangelical Trumpsters are still rooting for Putin. Biden dares to put a bully in the right perspective accidentally on purpose because somebody had to say it. Trump praising Putin and Xi gets a standing ovation from his obesity army in Georgia.

Joe Biden has restricted US Oil and Gas Production driving the price of oil up and helping Putin fund this war.

Joe Biden is letting the Iranians give Billions of dollars to Russian to help Iran build their nuclear program.

Joe Biden has done absolutely nothing to stop Putin from getting money and weapons. He has been pushing for war the entire time and has done everything in his power to make it happen.

The only people Joe Biden has hurt are Ukrainian and Russian and American People.

And there are stupid people like Howard that need this war too because they are too embarrassed by the people they voted for.

This war ends the day gas and oil prices go down.

Howard doesn't want that to happen.

Howard is just a warmongering hypocrite.

Drago said...

Howard: "Biden dares to put a bully in the right perspective..."

LOL

Putin is riding on a mountain of additional cash thanks to Biden giving Putin every single thing Putin dreamed of economically:
- Crushing US oil production and the US economy
- Shutting down additional US pipelines
- Removing sanctions against Nord Stream 2

This list is endless, which explains why the wife of the former mayor of Moscow, a big time Putin crony, shipped $3.5 Million to the Biden crime family.

Btw, how did the GoFundMe for Soleimani turn out?

Not to worry, Biden removed sanctions on Iran as well which also guarantees big time cash flow to Putin...something all informed people know....which excludes the Howards of the world.

Whats the latest estimate on how long it will take for Tehran to create a nuke under the Biden-Iran Nuke Weapon Development Program?

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

What the hell happened to the people who used to tell him not to say shit? I miss those guys. Their absence might mumble us into WWIII.

Achilles said...

Egypt is about to have food riots.

That is 100% on Biden and supporters of this regime. These people want this destruction and misery. Every policy they support can be drawn straight line to the results.

And the only comeback of the unpopular illegitimate regime is for dumbshits like Howard to call their political opponents traitors.

When Biden falls we need to ship enough of his supporters to China that they can no longer hurt our country.

They are just too stupid and terrible to have in a free society.

Bruce Hayden said...

I don’t really know who the good guys are, and who the bad guys are. Remember, the current Ukrainian government essentially bribed the Biden (Kerry, Pelosi, etc) family. They got their regime change, and the duly elected more pro-Russian government was thrown out. Is the FJB Administration possibly overreacting here because of those bribes? After all, you can’t expect to get future bribes, if you don’t stay paid off.

On the flip side, the Russians seem to be obsessed about the Nazis in Ukraine. Why Nazis? Because they were, essentially founded as opposition to Russian Communism. And, of course, AntiFA was a paramilitary group in Germany opposing the Nazis, that was funded and run by those very same Russian/Soviet Communists. They lost, and the Nazis won. The appeal of the Nazis to Ukrainians has always been because they were anti-Russian. This was the case before they were taken over by the Nazis during WW II, and is just as true today (forgetting that the Germans considered them, as Slavs, to be of an inferior race). From the Russian point of view, the Nazis killed tens of millions Soviet citizens, directly or indirectly, during the war. So, this is essentially poking the Russian leadership in the eye.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Perhaps HIllary and Biden can install their favorite Russian Oligarch?

Amadeus 48 said...

" Biden dares to put a bully in the right perspective accidentally on purpose because somebody had to say it."

Nobody had to say this.

Many are concerned that Biden, the demented old coot who was exceptionally stupid and blustery on his best day, is going to get us into a war. Lots of the National Security/Send Your Boys & Girls Off to War crowd (which I think some here used to refer to as chicken hawks) are certainly beating the drum for us to start killing Russians in Ukraine. Biden is feeding Putin's propaganda machine with implications of regime change. Does Biden even know what he is talking about? Or are the old, dying neurons just reflexively saying the wrong thing because he always has?

Readering said...

On the subject of demographics: since the breakup Russia has been making major efforts to encourage Russian speakers to immigrate. That has yielded success, slowing demographic decline. But unlikely to continue, so demographic decline will accelerate unless Russia soon loosens standards for immigration from Central Asia.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Howard - we are not rooting for Putin. We are watching insanity unfold and wondering why this is happening under YOUR precious and bizarre dunce-crook Biden.

hawkeyedjb said...

Amadeus 48 said...
"This is the Biden we have known for 50 years: stupid, empty, vicious."

Biden has become wealthy and powerful by producing nothing but bullshit his entire adult life. As another Pol remarked in a different context, "Hey, it worked, didn't it?"

Amadeus 48 said...

"As another Pol remarked in a different context, 'Hey, it worked, didn't it?'"

Yeah, but Stephen A. Douglas used to have a park named after him in Chicago. The world turned a few times, and the park was renamed for Frederick Douglass. It is the first time since 1900 that something in Chicago named for a Democrat was renamed for a Republican.

Roger Sweeny said...

@ Howard - You are absolutely right that Putin is a bully. In a better world, he would not be the ruler of Russia. But I think minnesota farm guy is right:

"For those of us old enough to remember: how did the Kennedy/Lodge regime change in South Viet Nam work out?

"Talk about a ridiculous raising of the stakes. We want Russia out of Ukraine as soon as possible. Telling the Russians that one of the negotiating points is too get rid of Putin is beyond "fucked up"."

How would feel if George W. Bush gave the exact same speech? Because it sounds an awful lot like him.

Static Ping said...

"White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter."

Do you believe that? I don't.


The definition of an "ad-lib" is to go off script. So, yes, I do believe it was an "ad-lib."

Would Biden go off script? Wrong question. The question is why Biden is expected to stick to the script. And we know the answer to this: Biden is not the real President, he is suffering from dementia, and he is and always was utterly incompetent at foreign policy, so he cannot be trusted to make decisions. His only job is to do what he is told. This is wise since he is a mean, egotistical, blowhard dunce who likes to bully people, treat women (and girls!) inappropriately, and decorate his life story with fabrications when he is not literally plagiarizing other people's lives. He is of the lowest class of men on his best day and his best day was decades ago, assuming he ever had anything anyone would recognize as a best day. It is a horrible accident of the universe that he somehow is competent at gaining power despite having no other redeemable skills. If you described a man like him to me without telling me anything about his life, my best guess is he was a minor criminal of some sort, probably a small time con artist with a drug addiction, who would be lucky to live to see 40.

This blustering ad-lib, essentially challenging Putin to a fight, is exactly the sort of thing Biden does regularly, from blue collar voters to heads of state. I am not sure why you are surprised when he loses concentration - never his strong suit - and then defaults to his usual habits.

Assuming we survive this, your lesson is very simple: notice who are the persons propping this faux President up and never, ever trust them again in any capacity. These people should be shunned as they are evil. That goes for his handlers, his party apparatus, and the compliant media.

Achilles said...

Roger Sweeny said...

"Talk about a ridiculous raising of the stakes. We want Russia out of Ukraine as soon as possible. Telling the Russians that one of the negotiating points is too get rid of Putin is beyond "fucked up"."

It depends on what your goals are.

If your goal is to make sure that Russia continues to fight this war as long as possible this is what you would say.

If you want to make sure Russia has enough money to keep fighting you keep oil prices as high as possible.

If you want to keep Putin in power you give him propaganda to feed the Russian people by building animosity and allow him to keep the war going.

The Biden Regime needs this war.

The Putin Regime needs this war.

They are both too unpopular to survive without it.

Joe Smith said...

Only the best and brightest.

Joe was a low-IQ non-entity on his best day back-in-the-day.

He's good at glad-handing, back-slapping, and remembering your cousin's birthday come election time.

It's a special kind of social skill and he has it.

But he's never been smart.

He's never even glimpsed smart from where he is.

jim5301 said...

Don't understand what was so terrible with what he said. Putin will forever be a pariah on the international stage. It is best for everyone, but the oligarchs, that he make an exit. Why not say so.

Narayanan said...

The definition of an "ad-lib" is to go off script. So, yes, I do believe it was an "ad-lib."
=======
i thought it was /ad libertum?/ = speak freely

does Joe Biden have first amendment rights and privileges?

Jim at said...

But yeah. It was that dumb Trump guy who was going to get us into WW III.

Thanks, Biden voters.
Thanks a lot.

Narayanan said...

The Biden Regime needs this war >>> so why try to take out Putin?

The Putin Regime needs this war >>> so why stop east of Dnieper?

who needs it more? and why?

Jim at said...

Why not say so.

Because it's not our responsibility to go around demanding the leader of a world superpower be removed from office.

Well, unless you're comfortable with other world leaders demanding Biden do the same.

Stop trying to defend the indefensible.

Roger Zimmerman said...

A few months into the onset of my father's dementia - before he really began to lose the ability to "find words", he became weirdly, uncharacteristically honest in his statements about controversial topics. He had been reserved and very politic up until then, but, in those months, would state his unpopular opinions without reservation. What was especially telling was that he seemed to lack awareness that he might be stepping on others' toes. We all thought it was "just a phase", but, in retrospect, it was a salient sign of the disease affecting his brain. It was, in reality, a fundamental change to his personality.

I would not deign to know that this is what is going on with the President. But, I will say, if he actually does believe that, he is obviously correct. Ideally, US policy would be forthrightly explicit about the need for regime change, and would be figuring out practical ways to encourage this. I can think of many.

Michael K said...

Blogger jim5301 said...

Don't understand what was so terrible with what he said. Putin will forever be a pariah on the international stage. It is best for everyone, but the oligarchs, that he make an exit. Why not say so.


So, you are going to Ukraine with Lefty Mark? Let me know if a few bucks will help. One way tickets are cheaper, you know.

Michael K said...

Blogger Howard said...

I see you good evangelical Trumpsters are still rooting for Putin. Biden dares to put a bully in the right perspective accidentally on purpose because somebody had to say it. Trump praising Putin and Xi gets a standing ovation from his obesity army in Georgia.


So, Howard are you going to join Lefty Mark and Lefty jim5301 in their trip to save world peace? I wish you well and hope you get to see some real fighting.

Dave Begley said...

How valuable will Facebook be when we get nuked? The Biden presidency is the fault of Mark Zuckerberg.

Icepilot said...

"if he didn’t mean it"?
These are the only honest parts of President Biden that the public sees. At least it's somewhat noble.

Dave Begley said...

The real co-Presidents are Susan Rice and Ron Klain. Those two are the ones walking this back but the Fake News won't tell us that.

Those two are behind the curtain pulling the levers for the Great and Powerful Oz.

Why won't someone in the Fake News be like Toto and pull back the curtain?

Michael said...

Is it possible that someone in the White House with access to the Teleprompter is an actual Russian agent? It's hard to imagine that if Putin had the ability to put words in Biden's mouth that he would have chosen anything other than what Biden actually said. Maybe the FBI can get on it when they're done roughing up James O'Keefe...

Original Mike said...

"This blustering ad-lib, essentially challenging Putin to a fight, is exactly the sort of thing Biden does regularly, from blue collar voters to heads of state."

Has he threatened to take Putin out behind the woodshed yet?

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Key found by Ann:

"The WaPo writers assist the White House"

Original Mike said...

Blogger jim5301 said..."Don't understand what was so terrible with what he said. Putin will forever be a pariah on the international stage. It is best for everyone, but the oligarchs, that he make an exit. Why not say so."

My God, you don't see the ramifications of the President of the United States threatening to remove the President of the nuclear-armed-to-the-teeth Russia?

You can't be serious.

Inga said...

I can’t wait to hear F. Carlson’s take on Biden’s “gaff”. It will be all the more reason for him to openly root for Putin I’m guessing. And a large amount of American conservatives will eat it up. Soon, unless Putin orders an even more egregious attack on children and their mothers, F. Carlson and Fox will bring even more American conservatives into the Putin camp. All one has to do is read some of the more honest Putin apologists comments here to see which way the wind is blowing. One can depend on some honest conservative comments here to be able to gauge the current conservative mindset.

Original Mike said...

Even the non-nuclear consequences suck: Obama’s CIA Director: Biden’s Remark ‘Strengthens Putin At Home,’ Makes It Hard For Opposition To Form

trollsmyth said...

Huh... So, there are those saying that the NYT finally admitting that the laptop is real indicates that The Powers That Be are ready to replace Biden. If that's the case, was Biden set up? Was this incendiary remark put in so that the story could be circulated that Biden's not really making the policy and can't be trusted to "stay on script." That Biden isn't involved in writing the script, and so can be safely replaced without causing hiccups in the Executive Branch?

Normally, I'd think that was crazy tin-foil-hat talk. But after the last twelve years...

Yancey Ward said...

Howard, a more capable, smarter president would have found a way to prevent Russia's invasion of the Ukraine. While I don't put all of this at the feet of Joe Biden- both Bushes, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama bear probably more of the real responsibility since this was a problem decades in the making- it is Biden's watch in which this has happened. It is Biden's repsonsibility that this war stop ASAP, and that requires someone who can actually negotiate something more complicated than the McDonald's maze puzzle that would baffle President Shit for Brains Biden. Everything coming out of Biden's mouth since he has been president has done nothing but bring this calamity forward. If Joe Biden had choked on his ice cream cone in just January of last year, there might not have been any invasion of Ukraine today. There were a lot opportunities to avoid this, and Biden and his crack team of nitwits managed to find absolutely none of them

Drago said...

Inga: "I can’t wait to hear F. Carlson’s take on Biden’s “gaff”."

No need to wait dummy: see Original Mike's post at 3:04pm.

Its nothing much.

Just Obama's CIA Director pointing out the obvious.

But then again, you're the idiot who wept for weeks over Trump taking out Soleimani, so, it figures.

Old and slow said...

What is with this crazy "conservatives love Putin" talking point? It is so stupid and far of the mark that it is deranged. I can't figure out whether the people parroting this line actually believe it or not. I expect it is a bit of both. When did democrats become the party of nukular combat, toe to toe with the Russkies? Seems crazy to me.

Amadeus 48 said...

Shorter Inga:

“I do believe in fairies! I do believe in fairies! I do believe fairies!”

What the hell is the “Putin camp?”

You people just make this stuff up and then repeat it endlessly. There is no one who doesn’t think Putin is a KGB thug. No one knows the ins and outs of the politics of Ukraine, except that Hunter Biden and other offspring of the Best People got paid a lot for a little. Hmmm…

Drago said...

Who is going tell the walking automaton Inga that Biden just approved the russkis purchasing Iranian enriched uranium?

It would normally take about 6 months for Inga to research "uranium", but I suspect she will give long before that as it might interfere with her tracking of her many, many BlueAnon Russia Russia Russia conspiracy theories.

Drago said...

Old and slow: "What is with this crazy "conservatives love Putin" talking point? It is so stupid and far of the mark that it is deranged."

A perfect description of Inga and the rest of the Team Maddow/Avenatti crowd.

Amadeus 48 said...

For all the accusations that Fox News is mired in fantasy world, it is MSNBC and CNN that trade in conspiracy theories and general nuttiness. MSNBC and CNN make The Young Turks look well-sourced and rational by comparison and Fx News is an island of realism and open thought compared to the bottled insanity that their two tweedledum and tweedledummer cable competitors serve up.

Lurker21 said...

Nobody loved Saddam Hussein, but many of us questioned Bush's war and Bush's rhetoric. It's similar with Putin. There aren't that many people who like or love Putin, but many people question Biden's policies and recognize his administration's role in creating the present situation.

cfs said...

Is this what those who voted for Biden in 2020 envisioned? Is this what you were voting for? If so, why? Why did you want this for our country? We have inflation that is off the charts. That inflation is harming the lower and middle class the worst. Large corporations, big box stores, and the highest earners are making even more money than ever. Our country's southern border is wide open for both drugs and criminal cartels' human trafficking. And we are on the verge of war with Russia.

This is the return to "normal" that you wanted?

Rusty said...

cfs said...@4:10
As long as it is happening to you, a conservative, they don't care. They honestly believe the country is on the right track. They are also mentally and morally deficient.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Sorry Inga, You lost all your credibility with the Mueller-Maddow-Hillary-RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA MSNBC BS conspiracy lies.

Biden had to prove to you and the dummies like you, that he's not Putin's poodle.
It worked on you! The reality is - Biden IS Putin's poodle.

All of this mess is due to corruption on Team-D.

walter said...

And who do you get in Pooty Poot's place?
I mean, after he burns it all down at exit.

Joe Biden, America's Putin said...

Inga is a Swetnick.

Original Mike said...

"This is the return to "normal" that you wanted?"

I had a brief conversation with a liberal friend of mine last summer (I live in Madison; virtually all my friends are liberal). He was staying with us and I silently endured a week of Trump this and Trump that (mind you, Biden was already President by then). Finally, I couldn't take it any longer. I uttered one sentence: "I think Trump was a good President". He was stunned and pushed me to defend my position. I really wasn't interested, I didn't want to damage our friendship for no good reason. Instead, I asked him why he was in Biden's camp (to borrow Inga's phrase). "Competence", was his reply.

It was my turn to be stunned.

Original Mike said...

"What is with this crazy "conservatives love Putin" talking point? It is so stupid and far of the mark that it is deranged."

My guess is it's a continuation of the 'Trump is colluding with Russia' crap.

Sir Loin said...

"gilbar said...
SO, They're advocating War with Russia! BIG Deal!
So, it will go Nuclear! BIG DEAL!
I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed.. But i AM saying;
No more 200 to 300 million americans killed.. TOPS! ah, depending on the breaks"


Gilbar wins the thread.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

"'For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,' Biden said"

True for both Putin and Biden

Narayanan said...

Why won't someone in the Fake News be like Toto and pull back the curtain?
===========
not everybody / somebody is in big hurry to go back to Kansas!

walter said...

"The President’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change."
--
He truly is the leader of New Word Order.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

To sum the situation up:
1:Putin's minimum demands are "Russia gets part of Ukraine, and Ukraine can not join NATO".
If the result of Russia invading Ukraine is that the Budapest Accords are nuked, and Ukraine gets dismembered and blocked from getting allies to help it against the next Russian attack, then the long term result is the end of Ukraine.
If the result of Russia invading Ukraine is Putin doesn't get his minimum demands, then Putin is dead

So either Ukraine dies, or Putin dies. Pick one

2: If the US won't even provide defensive weapons to Ukraine to defend against an unprovoked Russian invasion (no, joining NATO is NOT a "provocation, it's the only sane thing for Ukraine to do), then no other country on Russia's border is going to trust any US guarantees of protection.

And neither will Russia / Putin

So, how many countries are you going to feed to the "Greater Russian Empire"?
"1" is not a possible answer. it's either "0", or "a dozen plus"

Greg The Class Traitor said...

walter said...
"The President’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change."
--
He truly is the leader of New Word Order.


You mean NATO?

We agreed to protect Ukraine's borders in the Budapest Accords. We agreed to protect the Baltics, Poland, and Hungary's by letting them in to NATO.

That leaves, what, Finland and Sweden left?

Why ARE people so desperate to see a corrupt expansionist dictator get more power? Are you just really unhappy that you missed out on WWI, so you want to get Russia to be big and powerful enough so we can have a "good" WWIII?

Static Ping said...

I despise Putin.

That said, when you have an enemy armed with a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons and a leader that has been acting erratic compared to his prior behavior, publicly declaring said leader has no future no matter what he does is not wise. If you want Putin gone, you either work on it covertly or you declare war. If you want to negotiate him out of this mess, you have to accept that he is going to still be the leader unless you are getting rid of him behind the scenes, as in not saying it out loud. Worthless bluster from President Vegetable is counterproductive to pretty much any possible solution. But that's how President Vegetable rolls; if he gets the least bit flustered it is time to punch someone in the face. That or sniff someone's hair.

It is amazing that Biden has managed to make Trump seem restrained. Biden is basically the worst traits of Richard Nixon, Teddy Roosevelt, Herbert Hoover, Jimmy Carter, Warren Harding, LBJ, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, and Donald Trump, all in one, without any of the positives. If he keeps this up, James Buchanan is going to get added to the list.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Static Ping said...
I That said, when you have an enemy armed with a massive stockpile of nuclear weapons and a leader that has been acting erratic compared to his prior behavior, publicly declaring said leader has no future no matter what he does is not wise.

There are only two possible outcomes here: Putin wins, and Ukraine gets wiped out as a country, absorbed into Russia
Putin loses power, and almost assuredly dies

It doesn't matter what Biden says or doesn't say, that's the reality of the situation.

Because if Putin invades Ukraine and comes away with nothing, he's toast

But if he invades and comes away with part of Ukraine, plus Ukraine denied the ability to get allies to protect from the next Russian invasion, Ukraine is toast.

What is it with you people, caring more about the babble Biden utters, than reality?

Putin is on top of Russia because everyone below him is afraid to stand out as an enemy.

If Putin starts a nuclear war, all those people below him die, too.

Forcing them to understand that it's Putin dies, or they do, is probably the only way we can get this to the proper outcome of "Putin dies".

Because "Putin invades and conquers Ukraine, then continues going after the rest of the bits of the USSR and Warsaw Pact that escaped" is not an acceptable outcome.

Better dead than Red
Better dead than Russian
Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back

walter said...

The spelling was very specific, Greg.
Deep breath..read in context.
There now....

Original Mike said...

The man who wrote "Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back" has the temerity to ask "What is it with you people, ".

Iman said...

have no fear peoples
razor’s in the rain barrel
vlad teh disemboweled

Joe Smith said...

'I can’t wait to hear F. Carlson’s take on Biden’s “gaff”. It will be all the more reason for him to openly root for Putin I’m guessing.'

I am now reading credible reports of Ukrainian soldiers (led by your hero Zelensky), shooting Russian POWs.

Makes Abu Ghraib look like a tea party.

JPS said...

Greg the Class Traitor,

"Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back"

Disagree. While we're alive, we can still fight back.

In one great line from that disgusting toady Ilya Ehrenburg, if the entire world were covered in concrete, one day a crack would appear, and in that crack grass would grow.

Remember when Ford said he saw no evidence of Soviet domination of Poland? Damn stupid thing to say, on the one hand. The Poles had a government installed and maintained under the guns of the Soviet Army. If I had to guess what the hell Ford meant, I think it was that the Soviets had never succeeded in stamping out the Poles' desire for freedom. Not long after Ford embarrassed himself, a Polish electrician and a Polish priest and a lot of other brave folks who never got famous did a lot to crack the concrete in eastern Europe. Now the country whose capital gave the Warsaw Pact its name is a proud and motivated member of NATO.

No. Better alive, and undefeated no matter how bad things may look, and plotting a comeback.

Chris Lopes said...

"
So, Howard are you going to join Lefty Mark and Lefty jim5301 in their trip to save world peace?"

You are assuming Howard actually means what he says. Perhaps I am giving him too much credit, but I don't believe he is that stupid. He is just saying shit to get a reaction from people he doesn't like.

Had Trump, either of the Bushes, or Reagan said those words, the Howard's of the world would be (rightfully) condemning them. Since it's Grampa Simpson, and he knows how much Gramps is disliked here, it becomes the greatest moment in American history.

Jim at said...

People who cheered when Hillary showed up in Russia with a bright, new, shiny Reset Button have no room accusing others of being fans of Putin.

In fact, it'd be best if they shut the fuck up and took another long, extended break from this website.

Beasts of England said...

’Better dead than Russian.’

Lighten up, Frances.

doctrev said...

Greg The Class Traitor said...

There are only two possible outcomes here:

But if he invades and comes away with part of Ukraine, plus Ukraine denied the ability to get allies to protect from the next Russian invasion, Ukraine is toast.

Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back

3/27/22, 5:51 PM

Oooookay, points for honesty about the basic instinct backing this war, but I don't even think Zelensky shares it. No matter what he says, the fact is the man's increasingly aware that the West is not sending the aid Ukraine actually needs. And if that's the case- if the West is seriously plotting to fight Putin to the last Ukrainian in an insurgency- why not negotiate a surrender? I think Zelensky's corrupt and that his CIA backers are likely to kill him if he backs down, but those aren't reasons for Putin to want him dead. Quite the contrary.

Your leader is Joe Biden, which means your chances of success are slight. But let's say he does escalate this into NATO intervention. The first nuke isn't going to be in Ukraine. It's likely going to be a hypervelocity nuke into a USAF base or isolated American structure. Something with air defenses, to make clear this wasn't a fluke, but hopefully low casualties. Or maybe the target will be Washington. Maybe you're right and the whole nation will decide better to nuke Russia to ash (sacrificing all of Western Europe, Canada, New Zealand, and Israel). Or maybe the West will just ignore the GALLANT sacrifice of our best and brightest DC leaders, and forge a peace before the whole world ends. Maybe the military will shoot someone in the head before letting that person share your sentiment with a finger on the button.

Could go either way. I'm ready. Are you?

Drago said...

Greg: "Better dead than Red
Better dead than Russian
Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back"

Grow up.

Rory said...

"What is with this crazy "conservatives love Putin" talking point?"

Leftists recognize two true devils: Russian nationalists and American capitalists. It's in their DNA.

gpm said...

>>Stephen A. Douglas used to have a park named after him in Chicago. The world turned a few times, and the park was renamed for Frederick Douglass.

Well, his tomb is still there, on east 35th Street in a little park not too far from the lake (IIRC, he had a large farm/estate in that area at one point). I was vaguely aware of the tomb but stumbled on the actual site by accident a couple of years ago when I was driving to Greektown from Hyde Park to return a Zipcar in late December. I didn't stop, however, because the weather was crappy, it was getting dark, there was no obvious place to park, and I had already spent a long afternoon at the Oriental Institute and the Robie House (another location I was aware of but whose site I had also discovered by accident earlier in the day).

The stupid iPhone map app wanted me to just take a boring route on Lake Shore Drive, but if there's one thing I still know how to do, even after living in Boston for 50 years, is to get around on the South Side. Free, on-street parking near the Oriental Institute and Robie House was also a breeze.

--gpm

P.S. I just looked it up and the park renaming was less than two years ago. It was not in my bailiwick, but I was aware of the existence of Douglas Park (and probably drove past it a couple of times), but I had never given any thought to who it was named for. Probably still just mostly "Douglas Park" unless you are pursing the issue.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Original Mike said...
The man who wrote "Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back" has the temerity to ask "What is it with you people, ".

So you're saying you were one of those "Better Red than dead" pussies? Opposed Reagan because he was going to start a nuclear war and get us all killed?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

JPS said...
Greg the Class Traitor,
"Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back"
Disagree. While we're alive, we can still fight back.


Really? How? And when?

Because if "it's not worth a nuclear war to stop this" now, Putin etc. et. al. is going to always believe "it's not worth a nuclear war to stop this", so they will keep on pushing until either there's a nuclear war, or there's nothing left to give up.

The whole "NATO in Ukraine is a threat to Russia" is bullshit, because we're not going to invade a country with as many nukes as they have.

But if we let them intimidate us more than that, if we let them take, and take, and take, because "it's not worth risking them starting a nuclear war in order to stop them", then the game is over, and we've lost

In one great line from that disgusting toady Ilya Ehrenburg, if the entire world were covered in concrete, one day a crack would appear, and in that crack grass would grow.
No, it wouldn't. Because all the grass would be dead.

Remember when Ford said he saw no evidence of Soviet domination of Poland? Damn stupid thing to say, on the one hand.
Yes, it was.

I would guess he's part of the "it only becomes real when a government official says it" group of idiots, and thought it would be bad for the US to officially say that the USSR was enslaving the countries of the Warsaw Pact.

My dad announced after that debate that he, an actual life-long Republican, wasn't going to vote for that idiot Ford because of that claim.

So far as I know, he carried that out.

Now the country whose capital gave the Warsaw Pact its name is a proud and motivated member of NATO.

And the same people who want to sell Ukraine down the river would do the same to Poland if they get their way WRT Ukraine.

Drago said...

Greg: "The whole "NATO in Ukraine is a threat to Russia" is bullshit, because we're not going to invade a country with as many nukes as they have."

You have already made it quite clear a nuclear exchange to get rid of Putin over Ukraine is a price you would be delighted to entertain.

Static Ping said...

Greg...: There are only two possible outcomes here: Putin wins, and Ukraine gets wiped out as a country, absorbed into Russia Putin loses power, and almost assuredly dies

Not a student of history, I see.

There are plenty of examples of leaders who led their people to disaster, some much worse than losing a war, that remained in power for the rest of their lives, died peacefully in their sleep, and passed on their position to their chosen successor. Plenty more died more violently, but it took quite some time between the disaster and the end, sometimes decades, and often unrelated to the disaster that should have ended them. The Russians are well aware of this; Stalin died of natural causes despite bungling one thing after another, being a mass murderer, and generally being hated by everyone.

Putin, being the spy bastard he is, knows his chances well enough. If he thinks he can get out of this war and still cling onto power, even with the loss of prestige, he may take it. He has the tools to survive. You have to give him that escape hatch if you want this war to end in a settlement rather than a fight to the death, and even if you want a fight to the death you keep your options open in case the facts on the ground change. That's why the President of the United States is not supposed to randomly blurt out in public that his goal in life now is to get rid of Putin because this has become a d*** measuring contest for a confused old coot.

As I have said before, Biden is and always was incompetent at foreign policy with the only exception being his great talent at taking bribes from foreign interests. This man should never have been elected to office on any level, but now he is the leader of the free world and busily doing his best to make matters worse because he is too damn senile and too damn stupid to understand the danger. God help us.

Drago said...

Original Mike: "The man who wrote "Better the entire human race be wiped out than that Russia get its empire back" has the temerity to ask "What is it with you people"

Greg: "So you're saying you were one of those "Better Red than dead" pussies? Opposed Reagan because he was going to start a nuclear war and get us all killed?"

Greg is wise to refuse to revisit his previous indefensible stupidity.

Beasts of England said...

’And the same people who want to sell Ukraine down the river would do the same to Poland if they get their way WRT Ukraine.’

Given the setbacks in Ukraine, I’d say Putin needs to be worried about Poland invading Moscow.

Get a fucking grip, dude.

Original Mike said...

"Greg is wise to refuse to revisit his previous indefensible stupidity."

You noticed that too, eh?

Achilles said...

Greg The Class Traitor said...

There are only two possible outcomes here: Putin wins, and Ukraine gets wiped out as a country, absorbed into Russia
Putin loses power, and almost assuredly dies


This is really, really stupid. Most warmongers not profiting from the wars directly are not very bright though.

If Ukraine accepts neutrality and relinquishes claims to Crimea the war ends tomorrow.

If the United States resumes Trump policies of energy independence the price of oil goes back to 60$ a barrel and Putin cannot afford war.

Right now the war continues because Biden is giving Putin 130$ a barrel oil and threatening Putin with the Ghaddafi treatment.

Right now the war continues because the Biden Regime and the Putin Regime need the war to hold power over their respective populaces.

Amadeus 48 said...

Gpm—the Stephen Douglas tomb is a state park at about 35th street, as you say. Douglas (now Douglass) Park on the west side is part of the Chicago Park District system of boulevards and large public parks, including Jackson Park, Washington Park, Garfield Park, McKinley Park, Humbolt Park, Logan Square, Lincoln Park, and Grant Park, together with tree-lined boulevards connecting them. Douglass Park was renamed a few years ago in the backwash of the St. George Floyd riots. Also, Congress Boulevard was renamed for Ida B Wells and Lake Shore Drive (the Outer Drive) was renamed Jean Baptiste Point du Sable Lake Shore Drive, althought the Inner Drive retains the Lake Shore Drive name.

Sic transit gloria.

Let’s go Brandon.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Drago said...
Greg: "The whole "NATO in Ukraine is a threat to Russia" is bullshit, because we're not going to invade a country with as many nukes as they have."

You have already made it quite clear a nuclear exchange to get rid of Putin over Ukraine is a price you would be delighted to entertain.


Nope, I've said that I'm utterly opposed to letting Putin, or anyone else, use nuclear extortion to let them conquer other countries.

That's rather different than saying "hey, let's go invade Russia and give them legitimate grounds to nuke us!"

I take it you've stopped trying to claim that you'd support opposing Putin if he invaded Poland, or other NATO members?

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Beasts of England said...
’And the same people who want to sell Ukraine down the river would do the same to Poland if they get their way WRT Ukraine.’

Given the setbacks in Ukraine, I’d say Putin needs to be worried about Poland invading Moscow.

Get a fucking grip, dude.


Yeah! Because those Russians are just so damn stupid they can't possibly learn from their failures, and do better later!
/sarc

I'm not the one who needs to get a grip, here

ken in tx said...

If you have a strong enemy, in obvious defeat, and you do not allow him a route to escape, he will fight to the death and his strength will take you with him. This is ancient knowledge--not new.

Greg The Class Traitor said...

Achilles said...
Greg The Class Traitor said...

Me: There are only two possible outcomes here: Putin wins, and Ukraine gets wiped out as a country, absorbed into Russia
Putin loses power, and almost assuredly dies

This is really, really stupid. Most warmongers not profiting from the wars directly are not very bright though.

If Ukraine accepts neutrality and relinquishes claims to Crimea the war ends tomorrow.


1: Really? Putin's given up on the Donbas and Luhansk regions? Could you point us to where that's been agreed to?

2: Putin invades Ukraine. Putin gets to rip part of Ukraine away because of the invasion, and make it part of Russia, while also forcing Ukraine to give up any ability to have allies the next time Russia invades (that is what "neutrality" means here)

What's you're over / under for how long until the next Russian invasion? 2 years?

So yes, if Ukraine were just willing to unconditionally surrender their nation to Russia and Putin, the war would stop.

Of course, give it 1- years and you'd have the next Holodomor. But hey, they live next to Russia, what do they expect!?!

Right now Achillies you're a living example of the Dunning Kruger effect

Bender said...

This demented old man, foisted on Americas by a cabal of rich globalists, is going to get us into a war.

Not only that, but there WAS a duplicate key and they were the ones who stole the strawberries.

Bender said...

Thank you Greg. It's thankless work (yes, I note the contradiction), but someone needs to make some sense and correct the record.

It's too bad that so many others have taken up residence under bridges and under beds, refusing to comprehend that we live in a world with other people in it, that this is not 1800s America, that what happens in Ukraine affects us all, that what happens to Ukrainians happens to us.

Achilles said...

Bender said...

Thank you Greg. It's thankless work (yes, I note the contradiction), but someone needs to make some sense and correct the record.

It's too bad that so many others have taken up residence under bridges and under beds, refusing to comprehend that we live in a world with other people in it, that this is not 1800s America, that what happens in Ukraine affects us all, that what happens to Ukrainians happens to us.


This is stupid. Warmongers think war is the only thing.

Ukraine accepts neutrality and commits to peace in Crimea. The war ends.

After the war ends the Regimes in Russia and the US are mortally wounded.

Both Biden and Putin will be removed after their disgraceful and stupid actions. These regimes have been pushing for this war that nobody in the world wants.

And after the war ends we will get to see if Zelensky gives up the powers he has seized and if he punishes the war criminals in the Ukraine Army who are currently shooting captured Russian Soldiers in the knees and leaving them to bleed out.

But since Facebook approves of war crimes now it will be interesting to see if they condemn these actions by Ukrainian Soldiers.

Achilles said...

Greg The Class Traitor said...


If Ukraine accepts neutrality and relinquishes claims to Crimea the war ends tomorrow.

1: Really? Putin's given up on the Donbas and Luhansk regions? Could you point us to where that's been agreed to?

Doesn't matter. Putin cannot afford for the war to continue.

I would guess the question goes to a vote in those regions and the residents of those regions vote 70-80% to join Russia.

2: Putin invades Ukraine. Putin gets to rip part of Ukraine away because of the invasion, and make it part of Russia, while also forcing Ukraine to give up any ability to have allies the next time Russia invades (that is what "neutrality" means here)

What's you're over / under for how long until the next Russian invasion? 2 years?


Entirely dependent on the price of oil. At 60$ per barrel Putin has no money.

So yes, if Ukraine were just willing to unconditionally surrender their nation to Russia and Putin, the war would stop.

Of course, give it 1- years and you'd have the next Holodomor. But hey, they live next to Russia, what do they expect!?!

Right now Achillies you're a living example of the Dunning Kruger effect


It is pretty funny to watch you completely lose any objectivity or ability to think critically. You are whinging and blathering like a true drone.

This whole situation is not as black and white as you would like it to be. But idiots love morality plays and are the first to fall for propaganda.

And when they do they spew stupidity like this.

Joe Biden made this war happen through a series of blunders and actions. This was done on purpose. And this war is going to have effects all over the world.

What do the people of Ukraine gain by joining Nato? The only people in the Ukraine that really benefit from that are the corrptocrats in Ukraine feeding of of the Washington DC money laundering operation in Ukraine.

Right now the Russian people are getting screwed by sanctions and Putin is still getting his oil money. And Joe Biden has threatened Putin with the Khaddafi treatment.

Do you think Joe Biden doesn't want this war to continue?

Answer that question honestly.

You are a blathering tool frothing at the mouth and gibbering. You have no idea how to look at this situation from multiple perspectives so all you do is raise the bloody shirt and scream for other people to fight the war harder.

You need to take a step back and think about what is going on.

Or you need to shut the F up and get your ass to Ukraine and fight yourself since you think this is the holiest of holy wars.

Achilles said...

Russia couldn't attack their neighbors while Trump was president.

It was obvious how this was accomplished and it would be easy for the US to keep Russia contained.

But the DC war machine needs war.

And Bender and Greg are ready to cheer them on no matter how much destruction these policies cause or how many Ukrainians have to die for it.

Pretty soon you are going to have a global famine to answer for too.

cyrus83 said...

This was always the risk in electing a man near 80, that he says the quiet parts out loud. I don't doubt his administration wants war with Russia - war often being a way to boost sagging poll numbers and provide distractions from domestic troubles - but they want Russia to provide a cassus belli. It's similar to the two world wars, where the US was provoking while neutral to get the Germans and Japanese to provide a cause that would win public support for war.

This isn't a statement that can be walked back. Putin won't deal with people who want to remove him, and since everybody in this administration fails at understanding human nature, they probably don't realize they've united Russians behind Putin in a way Putin never could have on his own. They also apparently didn't learn from the Ukraine attack that Putin has no issue striking first, and this statement may well provoke Putin to take the initiative again.

Mike (MJB Wolf) said...

I can’t wait to hear F. Carlson’s take on Biden’s “gaff” (sic). It will be all the more reason for him to openly root for Putin I’m guessing. And a large amount of American conservatives will eat it up. Soon, unless Putin orders an even more egregious attack on children and their mothers, F. Carlson and Fox will bring even more American conservatives into the Putin camp. All one has to do is read some of the more honest Putin apologists comments here to see which way the wind is blowing. One can depend on some honest conservative comments here to be able to gauge the current conservative mindset.

And here we have progressivism’s descent into their globalist GW Bush phase: “you are either with Inga and WWIII or you’re with the terrorist (Putin).”

Such impressive nuance! Now we simply must shed blood for oil! The Swamp needs war!

Achilles said...

Inga said...

I can’t wait to hear F. Carlson’s take on Biden’s “gaff”. It will be all the more reason for him to openly root for Putin I’m guessing. And a large amount of American conservatives will eat it up. Soon, unless Putin orders an even more egregious attack on children and their mothers, F. Carlson and Fox will bring even more American conservatives into the Putin camp. All one has to do is read some of the more honest Putin apologists comments here to see which way the wind is blowing. One can depend on some honest conservative comments here to be able to gauge the current conservative mindset.


And here comes the 75 IQ take piping hot and ready to serve.

Everyone who opposes the war in Ukraine that Joe Biden wanted and started is a traitor.

Keep the price of oil up so Putin can keep fighting as long as possible too.

Democrats need this war because they need the excuse to call people traitors to cover for their absolute destruction of our economy.

When the global famine hits that will be the next crisis they caused they need to solve.

They will blame it on their political opponents just like everything else.

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