Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said, quoted in "A Kennedy’s Crusade Against Covid Vaccines Anguishes Family and Friends/Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has risen to become a major figure in the vaccine resistance movement. Those close to him say it’s 'heartbreaking'" (NYT).
Five of his eight surviving siblings — two of his brothers have died — have publicly rebuked him over the past two years for his campaign against vaccines....
To the public distress of his wife, the actress Cheryl Hines, Mr. Kennedy invoked Anne Frank, the young German-Dutch diarist who died in a Nazi prison camp, as he compared government measures for containing the pandemic with the Holocaust at that rally in Washington. He later apologized for that.
“Bobby’s lies and fear-mongering yesterday were both sickening and repulsive,” Kerry Kennedy wrote on Twitter about the brother she so admired after he invoked Frank. “I strongly condemn him for his hateful rhetoric.”
Christopher G. Kennedy, a brother, said he was startled by the invocation of Nazis. “I love my brother but could not disagree with him more,” he said in a statement....
Mr. Kennedy’s friends have urged him to move on to other issues. “Sometimes you want to shake him and say, ‘Jesus Christ, Bobby, pay attention to something else,’” said Mike Papantonio, a lawyer and talk show host who has tried cases with Mr. Kennedy. “But at the end of the day he’s committed to it. The jaws are locked.”
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I had always thought him a nut on vaccines but, of course, the mRNA substance is not a vaccine. His book is pretty good and the evidence that the DOD is concealing "vaccine" injuries in the military adds to his credit.
He wrong about vaccines but he's right about mandates.
Don’t ever take sides against the family with anyone. Ever.
Certainly his conclusion is the same one a reasonable person would draw from looking north, over the Canadian border.
RFK Jr is wrong on other issues, but his point here is well-taken.
It is a step, one of many, governments around the world are using for behavior modification. China is the model. The West is working as interns to them, trying to learn from them.
I'm not sure the people in the West will be compliant after awhile.
Even paranoids have enemies.
While Kennedy's all-encompassing vaccine skepticism may be unwarranted, it's not as if the world's governments have done anything to warrant our belief that their long-term intentions are benign.
The US government has been relatively mild by comparison, but the behavior of other governments in the generally liberal Anglosphere has been appalling.
This is the same family that cozied up to Hugo Chavez.
You know people are in the wrong when they insist on lying about what they, or their opponents, are doing.
Whether or not RFk Jr is anti vaccine is irrelevant. Because
because the argument here is not about "should you DECIDE to accept a vaccine being shot into your body?", the argument is "should the government have the power to FORCE you to accept that shot, as a condition of having a life?"
Those are two entirely different questions.
In the case of teh Covid shots, there is not teh slightest evidence that the shots actually prevent transmission of the disease, and strong evidence that teh opposite is true: that increasing the "Covid vaccination rate" does absolutely nothing to decrease teh Covid infection rate
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8481107/
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
So long as it's true that the shot doesn't cut teh infection rate, only an authoritarian thug pushes for vaccine mandates / passports / whatever
He's right about the passports.
Vaccines are dangerous to some- but not nearly as dangerous as he suggests. And still no actual link between vaccines and autism.
And Michael K above is correct- the mRNA substance is not a vaccine. And looking at the definitions of "therapeutic", it's becoming increasingly apparent it's not even that. For some, particularly young males, it seems to be immediately harmful. For everyone, it seems, in the long term to be harmful. How harmful remains to be seen.
Still not jabbed, and not getting jabbed. Still haven't contracted the dreaded covid, and maybe I will, maybe I won't. Statistics say I won't die from it nor end up in the ICU or even hospitalized.
From PowerLineBlog's "week in pictures":
The OMICRON VARIANT reportedly has mild symptoms like soreness and exhaustion. The same thing you'd feel after a hard days [sic] work...
No wonder liberals are terrified of it.
BTW, I suspect that years from now, when the truth finally emerges, it will turn out that the mRNA vaccines (I should put "vaccines" in scare quotes, shouldn't I?) are at least as dangerous as the disease itself. It will turn out that Fauci, Birx, and Walensky knew this, but chose to ignore it in favor of yanking around the citizens of the United States.
He comes off a little weird, but he's right.
Interesting the timing of the NYTimes publishing this. It comes on the heels of news the CDC is hiding data.
It has created a two-tier citizenship system where unvaccinated people who visit passport cities are basically told they are not welcomed.
The only other time this happened was after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. In the runup to Amarica entering World War II, Japanese Americans were rounded up and put in internment camps.
Big cities with vaccine passports are like that place in 'My Dinner with Andre'.
Link to video
btw. My Dinner with Andre is streaming on HBO.
Harmless enough - who in their right mind would listen to RFKJr about anything - but this threatens the media narrative that anti-vaxxers are all racist Republican MAGA wearing yokels.
I agree with Leora. He's completely wrong about vaccines but absolutely right about vaccine passports.
"The minute they hand you that vaccine passport, every right that you have is transformed into a privilege contingent upon your obedience to arbitrary government dictates. It will make you a slave."
I get the skepticism about vaccine skepticism. But in the quotes I don't see an argument against the passport skepticism. Language aside, where is he wrong?
For years he has been natural this and natural that, anti-GMO, etc. He has lied and made hateful comparisons. I'm glad he's finally getting some comeuppance, even if it is 20 years overdue.
To the public distress of his wife, the actress Cheryl Hines
After playing Larry David's wife in Curb, she should have lots of experience in dealing with public distress due to the socially unacceptable actions of her husband.
people NEED to realize, that ALL 'rights' are given to you at the pleasure of The Government
One good thing, that's come from this pandemic, is people seeing and learning that...
The Government is the Supreme Authority; You Exist to Serve The Government
Only The Government can decide what is right and proper for you to do and think
The Government is the Creator of ALL Things. PRAISE The Government! PRAISE IT!!
I agree with him on this issue.
I'll come back, but Lem is wrong about the beginning of the Japanese-American's particular ordeal--it was post-Pearl Harbor, not "in the runup" to WWII.
What Leora said. I haven't read Kennedy's materials in any detail but my sense is, he is fighting the mandate and the social credit system in which it is embedded. The fact that the mandate concerns a vaccine is IMHO almost incidental. The reason (for me) that his resistance to the mandate makes sense with the Wu Flu "vaccine," is because (1) it's not a real vaccine, more of a treatment that may blunt the more severe forms of infection, thus it should not be automatically treated as a panacea and (2) the Omicron variant has utterly trashed the argument that we should get jabbed "to protect other people." Therefore Kennedy deserves an audience when he criticizes a measure that is deeply intrusive, creates a precedent for lasting and universal government surveillance and control, yet has very little public health justification.
But, sure, let's call him a complete crank in all respects.
Let me rephrase that:
“He wrong about NORMAL vaccines but he's right about mandates.”
I was surprised that Tucker Carlson and Dr Robert Malone agreed with him on the COVID-19 “vaccines”, on a Carlson interview a couple weeks ago. Carl’s set was fairly rustic, and showed a western vista. It looked a little familiar - it reminded me of the stretch of I-15 right before it hits I-90, just west of Butte.turns out that I was off by a couple hundred miles. Carlson had wanted to build a vacation studio by his family’s vacation place in Maine. Got hung up in endless zoning fights, so picked up stakes, and apparently built it in Lewiston, ID, a couple hundred almost due west of Butte. We were down there several years ago, for an IEEE section meeting, where we gave a talk on IP.
These mRNA vaccines were maybe a great quick and dirty response to the virus. But then the federal bureaucracy got involved. And after that, it was all over. The FDA already had much too close of a relationship with Pfizer. So, no surprise that they were allowed to cheat on their vaccine trials, removing people who got the virus from the study, and unblinding it as side effects started appearing. But that was ok because COVID-19! We’re all going to die! And they dutifully agreed to release their data - over the next 75 years. Of course, the FDA was good with that. After all, where do top FDA bureaucrats go to make more money? Companies like Pfizer, of course. It’s called Agency Capture, and the FDA had been captured by Big Pharma long ago. So, no one should be the least surprised that the FDA has tried to eliminate the use of very safe repurposed prophylactic medicines, like Hydroxicloriquine and Ivermectin, were denied, based on intentional mistesting. Of course, they are approving another Pfizer medicine, but they’re Pfizer. But no prophylactics or treatments that are off patent.
Keep this in mind. The vaccines being produced and used in this country have only been approved for use under EUAs - that, by law, require informed consent before they can be administered. Has there been informed consent? Hell no! In almost any other situation, the deliberate suppression of drug testing problems and underreporting of side effects would be sufficient to negate informed consent. The government gets around it by having businesses require the vaccinations. But what about when the government is the employer? Easy Peasy. Pfizer, with minimal testing, got FDA approval for a similar vaccine, but never produced it. Instead, the government announced that they could swap in their EUA version, because it was being manufactured, and heavily subsidized by the government. So, they are using the exact same version, that otherwise requires informed consent, under EUA laws, but that requirement magically disappeared when it was substituted for the unmanufactured but approved version, because they were so close to identical, except that the couldn’t have kept the EUA version under EUA if they really were that close.
There’s been something odd about this entire pandemic episode. I believe we are being kept in the dark about much of the info that could be made available to us. On the plus side, we’ve at least been made aware of the incompetence, lack of planning and craven nature of our government bureaucracy at the highest levels. What a shitshow.
To make the obvious comment: Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
He's right about the mandates. If he's the Kennedy I remember explaining Catholic communion he's also the modern Kennedy I have a bit of pity and respect for.
There’s been something odd about this entire pandemic episode. I believe we are being kept in the dark about much of the info that could be made available to us.
That's because the whole thing was a deliberate over-reaction designed to destroy the Trump economy and create the environment that allowed the Democrats to steal the election.
gilbar said...
people NEED to realize, that ALL 'rights' are given to you at the pleasure of The Government
One good thing, that's come from this pandemic, is people seeing and learning that...
The Government is the Supreme Authority; You Exist to Serve The Government
Only The Government can decide what is right and proper for you to do and think
The Government is the Creator of ALL Things. PRAISE The Government! PRAISE IT!!
************
Gilbar, despite your sarcasm, a Canadian can say what you said, because they do not have a Constitution. Their goverment DOES grant all their "rights". It's legacy of not breaking away from the Crown as sovereign.
But OUR Bill of Rights specifically lays out natural rights that the government does not give us, nor can legally take away. That is what made the founding of the USA completely new and unique in world history.
Which is why RFK Jr. and millions of others continue to fight.
“In the case of teh Covid shots, there is not teh slightest evidence that the shots actually prevent transmission of the disease, and strong evidence that teh opposite is true: that increasing the "Covid vaccination rate" does absolutely nothing to decrease teh Covid infection rate”
Turns out that the federal public health bureaucracy has been suppressing a lot of data, because of how it could be misinterpreted. In other words, most anything that undercuts their narrative must be suppressed. One key metric that we aren’t yet seeing in this country, but they surely have, at least for large cities is the frequency of SARS-2 antibodies in the population, as found, for example, in waste water. These are the people who have natural immunity. And that is a key metric that they should have been looking at from Day 1, but that would have interfered with their narrative that f we all don’t get vaccinated, revaccinated, boosted, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE, oh, and Pfizer (etc) profits will be down.
It turns out though that vaccination level never correlated with COVID-19 level and deaths because the key metric was natural immunity level. Natural Immunities are what slow down and mostly stop the spread of the virus. Omicron moves quickly through a population, and really only tails off when the population hits 90-95% with natural immunity from having had the virus and survived it. The thing about Omicron is that not only does it burn through a population amazing quickly, for most it is mild enough that they aren’t really debilitated by it at all. When this metric is utilized, it correlates well with a rapidly increasing infection rate, which then crashes when quasi herd immunity is reached when most of the population has survived the virus. This isn’t pie in the sky theorizing - it is what has happened around the world, and is happening here. Most of us are now virus survivors, with the resulting natural immunities. The pandemic, in this country, if not effectively over now, will be so over the next several weeks, with the more rural parts of the country lagging due to low population density slowing the spread.
Immunity, not exclusively vaccination, and certainly not non-sterilizing, experimental medical treatments.
Covax-20, 21, 22, or perhaps 23?
the mRNA substance is not a vaccine
It's a virus in vaccine's clothing. Without a conventional safety period, let's hope that it does not evolve, or force progressive consequences beyond the already excessive adverse events, and marginal personal and community protection.
'“Bobby’s lies and fear-mongering yesterday were both sickening and repulsive,” Kerry Kennedy wrote ...'
What's sickening and repulsive is calling him a liar because she disagrees with him, on matters about which he knows a great deal more than she does. This is the silly bitch who married Andrew Cuomo, for Christ's sake.
My wife and I had the first two shots but have declined the z"booster." Then we both got Omicron so we have natural immunity plus whatever the vaxx did. We are in the high risk group due to age and health (not obesity).
Bruce Hayden said...
Turns out that the federal public health bureaucracy has been suppressing a lot of data, because of how it could be misinterpreted. In other words, most anything that undercuts their narrative must be suppressed.
Except they can't even accomplish that.
I've been puling the data from here:
https://healthdata.gov/Health/COVID-19-Community-Profile-Report/gqxm-d9w9
Run it through R, do a linear model from "vaccination" rate to infection rate, and with the most recent data I'm routinely getting a slight positive correlation between the two.
As in, the higher the "Covid vaccination" rate, the more people who are getting positive Covid test results.
I pulled the latest data (Thursday the 24th). For every 1% increase in the "vaccination" rate, you get an increase of 1.925 cases per 100,000 people
If you grab the vaccination data from 2 weeks before (since there's a delay between when you get infected, and when you show it enough to get tested), then the increase is 1.917 per 100,000.
Now, the R^2 (basically: "how much of the results are explained by this relationship?") is pitifully small (0.005, where 1 is "everything's explained" and 0 is "nothing's explained), so it's not like you can say "the shots cause more Covid cases!"
But the current reality is that even the data they're NOT suppressing clearly shows the shots have close to 0 positive effect. They don't lower the infection rate, and have close to 0 effect on the hospitalization and death rates. (By that I mean that the evidence that they have a positive effect on deaths / hospitalizations is far weaker than the evidence that the shots drive up the infection rate.)
When what they are NOT suppressing clearly argues agains their desires, it's kind of scary to try to figure out what they ARE hiding.
I'm going to work on the Trump / DeSantis in 2024 campaign. in exchange I'll want a position at the CDC where I can go digging through the data to expose every bit of CDC fraud over the last 20 years
I would hope my siblings would just not say anything at all if the mob came after me. I don't really care what RFK Jr. says one way or another, but I think a lot less about his wife and siblings. How important is the in crowd?
Left unchecked we WILL head to a Chinese style Social Credit Score system.
Checking this would have been in the wheelhouse of the ACLU of long ago. That org. has completely collapsed to the NWO - Government Knows Best.
@Greg
First of all, I definitely believe what you’re saying, and I’m not at all surprised by these results from the CDC.
But can you explain all these graphs and charts all the pro-covid vaccine people keep posting showing the opposite? I don’t believe them for a second, just based off my own anecdotal evidence of who had had the shot and who has not vs who has gotten sick and who has not. But why is there so much evidence out there that contradicts other evidence? I.e., hospital data showing higher hospitalization/death rates for unvaccinated, vs this new CDC data showing the opposite? Someone is fudging the numbers, but who, why so easily, and why is no one (except people like RFK here) trying to get expose it? You would think that health care workers who see this stuff daily would be sounding the alarm.
It seems to me to be an easy choice, I think I'll side with the lone Kennedy, given the Kennedy family's record.
What's sickening and repulsive is calling him a liar because she disagrees with him
it's Not that she disagrees with him! It's that HE disagrees with the edicts from Minitrue
THIS, is The Definition of LYING. Edicts from the Ministry of Truth are, By Definition, TRUE
“Bobby’s lies and fear-mongering yesterday were both sickening and repulsive,” Kerry Kennedy wrote on Twitter about the brother she so admired after he invoked Frank. “I strongly condemn him for his hateful rhetoric.”
What a crappily-written sentence. Did Kerry admire Booby Jr. only after he invoked Frank? Is NYT good at anything?
data showing higher hospitalization/death rates for unvaccinated
That data the pro-vax faction trots out invariably is extended back to March 2020 -- a full year before anyone received the vaccine. So you have a full year of where anyone and everyone who was hospitalized and died was necessarily unvaxxed.
I've not seen anywhere data that is time-limited to, for example, November 2021 to January 2022, the period of the Omicron spike.
On vaccine "passports" and IDs--and second class citizens.
During the original debates in the late mid 1930s on the legislation setting up the Social Security System opponents of the legislation argued that the Social Security numbers issued would become a form of government identification. The supporters of the legislation, including FDR, said "That will never happen".
In May 1969 I started basic training at Ft. Polk Louisiana. Our uniforms and boots were issued. The boots contained a tag with your army identification number. If you had enlisted your number started with "RA"---drafted, it started with "US"--National Guard, it started with "NG".
By August the Army changed its identification system to--guess what, Your Social Security Number! The old tags came out, the new tags came in. I remembered reading of the early debates, and got quite a chuckle out of the new labels in my boots.
A government promise that your SSN would never be used as identification? You messed up, you trusted the government. Of course the SSN became a sort of universal identification number--taxes, bank accounts, credit cards, loan applications etc--your SSN is everywhere>
What do you think will happen with these "vaccine passports"? You'll wind up having to have one to get on a plane, go to a restaurant (and Heaven Forbid! enter a voting booth--sarc).
And since the vaccine passport will be a QR code on a smart phone, what about the BIPOC poor who can't afford a smart phone? Well easy peasy lemon squeezy--the government will give them one. And not to be paranoid, but those smart phones--whether government issue or purchased by the owner will have the ability to track the person using the phone.
In each generation of Kennedys, there is always one who is not as bad as the rest.
It used to be Sargent Shriver, now it is this guy.
His grandfather caused his aunt to be lobotomized for reasons that today would be considered felonious.
Gahrie @2:03… it would seem that way… I hate to think some of my countrymen could be that short-sighted re: damage to our institutions and disrespectful of the USA, but it is what it is.
A strawman allegation, a blood libel. The criticism is not of vaccines, but of non-sterilizing, experimental medical treatments with short and inadequate safety data, mandated by Choice and force to the general population.
He’s not wrong.
Federal banking regulations require banks to keep about 10% of deposits in cash. Most banks keep closer to 20%.
Caveat:is been a while since I've looked at this but it should still be ballpark.
That means that if I put $1000 in my checking account, the bank keeps $200 in the vault and lend the rest out.
Fractional reserve banking has worked fine for 800 years. Most of the time. If everyone shows up on Monday wanting their money, a cbank run" the bank fails. If they do it generally, the banking system fails.
It doesn't take much. Canadians brought the Canadian banking system to its knees by simply withdrawing money. It took 2 days for Trudeau to cancel his emergency order.
We have the same power here. We may need to use it if they start these "vaccine" mandates.
John LGBTQBNY Henry
data showing higher hospitalization/death rates for unvaccinated
Aside from planned parent/hood, and unaffordable, unavailable, and stigmatized treatments for over 99% of the population who are a priori either immune or resistant to infection and disease progression, the data is true for Covid-19, but not for Covid-20, 21, and 22, and, all causes hospitalization and deaths in the treated cohorts, for which the data also supports forward-looking adverse events, up to and including progressive viability.
It doesn't take much. Canadians brought the Canadian banking system to its knees by simply withdrawing money. It took 2 days for Trudeau to cancel his emergency order.
Trudeau reacted quickly and decisively, and with empathetic fervor, when there was a clear and progressive risk to the bottom-line, his bottom-line.
The OMICRON VARIANT reportedly has mild symptoms like soreness and exhaustion.
From the Diamond Princess forward, this was known and true for all the Pathogens and Posterity of Covid-19, 20, 21, and 22, in the majority of the population, who were either immune, resistant, or otherwise at low risk to infection and disease progression. In the majority who were at risk, planned parent/hood was clearly neither a good nor exclusive Choice, and with early treatment (e.g. Spanish nursing homes), even the high risk cohorts (e.g. median age 80, males and females, with multiple comorbidities) could mitigate the risk and consequences of disease progression.
Right message on vaccine passports; wrong messenger.
his campaign against vaccines
Well, jeez, if only the NYT had included an anti-covid-vaccine statement by Kennedy, rather than just anti-mandate statement(s), which of course are not the same thing.
Fun facts: The Democratic Repulic of Congo has 89.56 million people, a vaccination rate of .25% or .4%, depending where you look, and has had 85,999 cases and 1,335 covid deaths to date, equals 960 cases and 15 deaths per million.
The US, about 60% or 70% fully vaccinated, as had 251,744 cases and 3,040 deaths per million; 262 times as many cases per million as DRC, and 202 times as many deaths per million.
How come? Bad statistics collecting?
". No wonder liberals are terrified of it."
That's a popular meme with the anti vaxxers celebrated at r/HermanCainAward. Shared all over Facebook.
Of course they're dead now, but the meme lives on.
When I was a kid- we got vaccinated before 1st grade- probably at 5 or 6yrs of age.
Now, our babies seem to be vaccinated so early and I wonder the possibility of transference of these vaccines through the blood/brain barrier- which isn’t fully developed until aged two. Also, there’s a substance carrier that the(out of my depth, here) nuclei of the vaccine are put into? Cells are emptied of original nuclei and replaced w/the vaccine?
What if any of these changes to the vaccines are causing less than desirable results and people are anti- vaccine because of this?
I’ve often wondered- if it ain’t broke &all…
Under the theme of bad science . . .
I got the Pfizer jabs in the summer, and was more-or-less prepared to get the booster but changed my mind. My wife reminds me every few weeks, and I mumble. She knows better than to nag.
As mentioned earlier, she is supposed to fly to Paris next week. She has spent an inordinate amount of time trying without success to upload to the airline site her vaxx card proving three doses. Rather, images of the front and back. This is required.
Her efforts are rejected as incomplete by the system because the OCR can't make out the different fonts and sizes of the various pre-printed and stuck-on characters, not to mention handwritten comments, dates, and initials.
The software has advised her to present her vaxx proof to a human agent at the airport.
What a surprise.
Half of me thinks that hundreds will be at the airport arguing over small and illegible words and numbers with stupid and overworked agents, while the other half thinks that most people will get through with barely a glance at the documents.
Poor OCR, planning, and think-through can be as bad as bad science when it comes to the everyday.
>>>Turns out that the federal public health bureaucracy has been suppressing a lot of data, because of how it could be misinterpreted. In other words, most anything that undercuts their narrative must be suppressed. One key metric that we aren’t yet seeing in this country, but they surely have, at least for large cities is the frequency of SARS-2 antibodies in the population, as found, for example, in waste water. <<<<
You think antibodies, found in human blood, are what is being tracked in wastewater?
Is he wrong about how little is known about piling vax on vax and vax and their adjuvants?
The mix and match approach the Covid jabs should similarly give great pause as well.
I would bet on far too little questioning and scrutiny of vax industry in last few decades.
natatomic said...
@Greg
First of all, I definitely believe what you’re saying, and I’m not at all surprised by these results from the CDC.
But can you explain all these graphs and charts all the pro-covid vaccine people keep posting showing the opposite?
To a certain extent, we're arguing different things.
They are saying "if you look at people who've tested positive for Covid, then these studies "show" that the ones who've had the shots infect fewer people than the ones who haven't.
Those studies might even be true.
But what they leave out is that the shots make it more likely that you will have an asymptomatic case of Covid. In which case you're not going to get tested, so not going to test positive, and so you're going to be out and about infecting people.
They say "if you look at the people with Covid who are in the hospital, a higher percentage are "unvaccinated".
That might be true. But what is also true is that a bunch of people didn't get the Covid shots because they had health problems which made the shots contraindicated.
So those people are more likely to be hospitalized, or to die, not because of their shot or lack thereof, but because their underlying health sucks.
IMHO, that's why you have to look at these things on a population level, rather than on an individual level.
And it's most certainly the case that any "public health" justification for requiring the shots rests on a population level improvement, not on an effect on the individual who gets, or doesn't get, the shots.
And on a population level, these shots aren't doing much
Read or listen to Dr. Robert Malone if you want a primer on how the "vaccines" "work." It's a whole new approach. And it's being used to alter your body irrevocably: you can't un-jab the dose, the lesson it imparts to your immune system is for keeps. And we can only hope that that lesson, directed at the immune system, is all that it does. There is speculation that the pseudo-spike proteins made by the body under the instruction of the vaccine, may end up in unexpected places and provoke unexpected responses. But who knows?
We'll have to find out the hard way --by direct experience of all of us, together, simultaneously, as we go forward in our vaccinated glory and see what happens to us. And how will we know what has happened to us, the collectivity under view by the public health establishment? Will data be collected and analyzed and shared? So far we have seen the CDC and other authorities NOT tell us much about what's happening to us, explaining their taciturnity as a way to protect our dear little heads from too much confusing data. That secretive and patronizing attitude gets up my nose, but others may be OK with it.
It think it is time to admit that the mRNA shots, following this year-long population-wide lab testing experiment, have been an ultimate failure.
Yes, they showed some short-term promise, but long-term they are not effective in producing the quality immunity that is needed, and the repeated jabs necessarily are putting the body into this constant stress response.
And not only for COVID, but for other purposes, mRNA technology just isn't there yet -- if it ever will be, not to mention if it will ever again gain widespread acceptance by people.
"That's because the whole thing was a deliberate over-reaction designed to destroy the Trump economy and create the environment that allowed the Democrats to steal the election."
Yes, the entire world conspired in a global, complex effort to create an over-reaction (to a virus that has killed more Americans in two years than were killed in all our wars of the 20th and 21st Centuries combined), all to destroy the "Trump economy" (actually, the continuing growth momentum of an economy that had been growing steadily in the decade following the financial collapse that began at the end of Bush's second term) and to create the circumstance to allow the Democrats to "steal" (sic) the election.
Right.
Four months after I took the Pfizer, I had a life-threatening event. Any relation between the two? Well....?? Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? But it can't be ruled out. And that's enough to not risk ever taking an mRNA again.
Trump told Putin the deplorables would back his play. That was coordinated with the Truckers protests. The plan was to plug up the highways around DC, have an overreacting cops plus natural guard troopers to trigger Achilles and his 3%ers into Civil War.
Once again, PDJT to the rescue.
Wow that's a fantastic coincidence Bender the same thing happened to me I had a stroke 3 months before I had the moderna vaccine.
Howard and Bender are having fun with the inherent problem of spurious correlation --which in a huge uncontrolled population being badly observed (and even more badly reported upon) for month after month, really just a sea of anecdotes-- but it's a very real problem. It's ironic that the sample size here is gigantic (a good thing) but the "meaning" of whatever happens to that sample is clouded by the lack of rigor (a bad thing), leaving us IMHO nowhere. Just arguing bitterly over the way that, soon after Uncle John's cousin's friend got the shot, her cat ran away, so clearly the vaccine is responsible.
Yes Howie,
And perhaps given the potential thrombotic events from these novel jabs, a d-dimer and other screenings might be warranted before giving them to anyone with an upper arm.
Of course, a screening for relevant antibodies might moot the whole endeavour.
But..nah.
They're not revealing full ingredients, but they are comfortable picking one or two from column A, another (or 2) from column B.
Whatevs.
Semper Fud!
Good one, Howard at 9:41! Pitch-perfect satire.
Or the result of the stroke mentioned by Howard at 9:43?
If the latter, I'm sorry to hear of your misfortune, Howard.
Owen,
That was the beauty of the DMED database: Highly controlled.
But there was an uncomfortable trajectory post jab warranting a Good Golly data backfill.
Even the shitty, underreporting VAERS system has produced safety signals far beyond what would normally quash a "vaccine". This is in an environment where pressure is on not reporting.
clearly the vaccine is responsible
Who said, "clearly the vaccine is responsible"?
I really, really wish that you quick-to-contradict people would actually read what people said before you accuse them of saying something else.
Here, for your convenience, so you don't need to go to the trouble of scrolling up a few lines, is what I actually said: "Maybe, maybe not. Who knows? But it can't be ruled out. And that's enough to not [take the] risk." There is no "clearly" there. In fact, it is the exact opposite of clearly. It is utterly unclear whether it did or did not cause or exacerbate the condition. And since the SAFETY is NOT CLEAR, it is prudent for me to decide not to take it again.
Howard said...
Trump told Putin the deplorables would back his play. That was coordinated with the Truckers protests. The plan was to plug up the highways around DC, have an overreacting cops plus natural guard troopers to trigger Achilles and his 3%ers into Civil War.
Once again, PDJT to the rescue.
Trudeau called his political opponents racists and Nazis. Ran and hid in a bunker like the fascist coward he is and sent his jackboots after a peaceful protest.
Howard cheered.
Biden drove the price of Oil up to over 100$ a barrel and we import 21% of our energy from Russia now thanks to democrats. US Citizens are forced to fund this war in Ukraine now every time they get gas.
Howard cheered.
Biden offered Zelensky a plane flight out to safety so he could hide like Trudeau the douchey pussy. Zelensky asks for ammo.
Russia and Ukraine are making plans for peace talks.
Biden's disgusting shithead regime objects to Russia talking to Ukraine and demands Russia talk to them.
Everyone in the world recognizes that the Democrats are just pieces of shit.
Citizens of the United States recognize and cheer for the armed population defending itself from a thugocracy.
Howard the douchey shitbag loses his shit and starts positing his fever dreams.
It would be really hard for you to look like more of a shitbag right now Howard.
Slaves try very hard to keep others enslaved to make themselves feel better.
"It would be really hard for you to look like more of a shitbag right now Howard."
Give him a minute. He'll out do himself.
I've never been hesitant about other vaccines. Never had a problem with a flu shot. I think plumbers need to get vaccinated for hep A, for example, because they can encounter it in old pipes.
But I get bloodwork every three months for a condition, and after the first shot I took, Moderna, my blood pressure went up for no discernable reason, and my next bloodwork showed several completely new issues -- plummeting white blood cells, malformed red ones, serious enough to be sent to a blood expert and oncologist who admitted to me that they were seeing these types of malformations manifest after innoculation and didn't know yet if they were related. I'm not suggesting that anyone use my experience to decide anything for themselves. But I know other people who have had bad problems with blood pressure changes after the shots.
I spent some time working in and studying public health. I'm not a paranoid about vaccines, and I can, and do, read medical journals. But for the first time in my experience, it's disturbing to see so little about this being discussed openly among themselves by doctors and researchers and studied by the NIH. I have more questions than answers. This isn't related to my underlying condition. I'm not getting a booster before we have some answers -- in fact, my doctor told me not to do so before my next round of bloodwork. I feel, well, calmly spooked. We let Fauci do what he's been pining to do since AIDS: go for the moon shot and nothing else. He's dug in. At a bare minimum we need new leadership and a hell of a lot of honest research, fast.
Robert Cook said...
"That's because the whole thing was a deliberate over-reaction designed to destroy the Trump economy and create the environment that allowed the Democrats to steal the election."
Yes, the entire world conspired in a global, complex effort to create an over-reaction (to a virus that has killed more Americans in two years than were killed in all our wars of the 20th and 21st Centuries combined),
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db395-H.pdf
In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States
Roughly 540k deaths from Heart disease that year, just for comparison.
News flash: everyone dies of something
The lockdown response, and the concomitant increase in weight among the less active people, has been far more deadly to those under the age of 65 than Covid.
all to destroy the "Trump economy" (actually, the continuing growth momentum of an economy that had been growing steadily in the decade following the financial collapse
Bzzt, thank you for playing, now GFY.
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate
U.S. GDP Growth Rate - Historical Data
Year GDP Growth (%) Annual Change
2020 -3.49% -5.65%
2019 2.16% -0.84%
2018 3.00% 0.66%
2017 2.33% 0.62%
2016 1.71% -1.36%
Obama was handed a huge gift, a significant economic drop before him, so that the US economy was ready for significant growth, which happened after every other post war economic drop.
But Democrat polices always fuck everything up, so he had shit growth, and we were heading for a recession at the end of his term.
Happily, Trump was elected instead of Hilary, so we had a re-boom instead. because Trump's economic policies, especially the driving out of illegal aliens, was good for America, especially the economic bottom half.
Oh, that's right, you don't give a shit about those people.
that began at the end of Bush's second term)
And was caused by the Democrats' "give a mortgage to everyone, no matter their ability to pay" polices, that Bush had tried to end, but couldn't because the Dems were so wedded to the graft
and to create the circumstance to allow the Democrats to "steal" (sic) the election.
Cookie, I keep on making the same points, and you lying sacks of shit keep on not responding, because you have no response. SO, here they are again:
1: No honest vote counter blocks poll watchers from being able to closely and directly monitor what the poll workers are doing
2: No honest vote counter stops counting on election night while they still have votes to count
The States in which Democrat vote counters did both are the margin between a Biden "victory" and Trump's victory.
All vote counters know that not only do they have to be honest, they have to appear to the losers to be honest, otherwise the results will not be, and should not be, accepted
The fact that Democrat vote counters in Milwaukee, Detroit, Philly, and Atlanta all chose to act in a way that appears dishonest shows that they were planning on stealing the election for Biden and any other Statewide Democrats on the ballot.
As a result, anyone with a functioning brain must believe that they did in fact steal the election, and the Biden's "victory" was fraud.
But you're right Cookie, it wasn't just about stealing the election
it was also about the laptop class asserting their power and superiority over the working class.
As it's the laptop class that populates the bureaucracies and governing class in the West, that's why it was a near universal response in the West to have insanely stupid lockdown
Tina,
"Now, the other part of my story that often gets overlooked. So I took two doses of Moderna with the second dose, I developed stage three hypertension with systolic blood pressure of up to 230. I’m lucky to be alive. What it means is I’ve had a stress test of my aorta and my cerebral vascular system, and I didn’t have a stroke, and I didn’t tear my aorta all to shreds."
Robert Malone interview on Joe Rogan
https://covidvaccinesideeffects.com/joe-rogan-interview-with-dr-robert-malone-transcript/
@Comrade Marvin:
We're coming up on the two year anniversary of "15 days to flatten the curve". How do you like your yoke?
Wow, Walter. Who knows what's happening to people who don't go to their doctors because nothing they can sense has manifested?
This is not a vaccine. Covid isn't a head cold: can many legislators hold those two thoughts in their heads simultaneously?
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