January 26, 2022

"What is it like to be you?"

 

Joe Rogan does a good job with Jordan Peterson — putting on the brakes now and then and questioning assertions and checking them on the spot but mostly letting Peterson expatiate in his inimitable style I'm just putting up the longest clip currently available. The episode is over 4 hours long. I'm well past the midpoint, so I'm proud of my stamina on this one.

33 comments:

Lem said...

I watched the Bible clip and it had been clicked on over half a million in 2 hours.

Achilles said...

Hmm. I used to have numb hands and some interesting morning pains about a year ago. I had to go through a pretty drastic lifestyle change to deal with that.

Achilles said...

Peterson is really letting the Branch Covidians and their Oligarch masters have it lately.

His experience shows just what truly nasty people they are.

Readering said...

I don't watch him and hope this clip unrepresentative. He does way too much of the talking and relatively little information for over 9 minute clip. Which is unfortunate since the topic of the clip important and very interesting. Maybe I am just not a podcast person.

Achilles said...

I find it interesting that Dr. Peterson didn't notice the woman who sued him was just jilted.

The fixation on the wedding ring good lord.

It would be interesting to see a picture of her. My guess is she would be in his "ballpark" and she expected him to reciprocate her feelings.

Gerda Sprinchorn said...
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Gerda Sprinchorn said...

@Achilles

Hmm. I used to have numb hands and some interesting morning pains about a year ago. I had to go through a pretty drastic lifestyle change to deal with that.

Deets? Demonic possession perhaps?

Gerda Sprinchorn said...

Love Peterson's bow tie!

Notice how it signals seriousness.

Night Owl said...

@Readering: This clip does not show Jordan Peterson at his best.

Comparing this Jordan Peterson to the man who did The Bible Lectures 5 years ago you can see damage that his illness has done. Hopefully it's not permanent.

tim maguire said...

Peterson just resigned from the University of Toronto. It's surprising to me that he's still controversial given that nobody's had anything new to complain about with him in years.

GRW3 said...

The intro to his new book goes into great detail about his harrowing path to getting clear of the drug and its side effects. I don't know that someone without his understanding of life, and its realities and difficulties, could have weathered the effort.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

tim maguire said...

Peterson just resigned from the University of Toronto. It's surprising to me that he's still controversial given that nobody's had anything new to complain about with him in years.

He seeds too much doubt amongst the woke faithful.

Can Of Cheese for Hunter said...

Joe Rogan V. Neil Young.

Joe Rogan is a million miles smarter than Neil Young.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Gerda Sprinchorn said...

Thoughts about why Peterson is famous:

He is famous because he is serious. It says something about the amount of seriousness today that this is enough to make you famous.


I have always thought Peterson was famous because he's laying things out as he sees them and won't back off of what he says. Personally, I think the Progressive philosophy of "everyone gets to be what they want to be (except for those people we don't like)... so you be you, even if you is they" doesn't work for a lot of people. Those people need some of the societal cues that we used to have to be able to make sense of their lives. You get that from Peterson. You don't get that from Haidt and Weinstein.

David53 said...

Xanax is as bad as they say. I've been taking it for over 10 years. My shrink prescribed it for anxiety and told me it would be easy to taper off of, it's not. I'm totally dependent on it. It still helps with anxiety but if I miss my full 3 milligram a day fix it gets bad real quick. If one day I forget to take any at all then the next day it's severe depression time, almost catatonic like. Feels bad all over. I've never asked for an increase in dosage and that's the only med I take. Don't use it. Other than my dependence on Xanax my health is good.

Joe Smith said...

Peterson is pretty harmless.

I've never understood the hate from the left.

But they do tend to try to destroy anyone who is not part of the hive-mind...

Carol said...

I love JBP but he's a gaunt hysterical bundle of nerves with a Marshall Applewhite vibe.

He could put on a few pounds.

farmgirl said...

:0)

Narr said...

My wife takes that shit (Xanax), and complains constantly of numb hands and feet, and when she gets up in the morning it's one long painful unfolding. You would think she was 87, not 67.

But I'm the last person she trusts for medical information and advice, so I just cluck sympathetically. I'm sure she'd do better skipping that stuff and her Scotch and taking some Delta 8 product, but she's against self-medication. Ha ha ha, ha ha.

Narr said...

Bowties are hard to wear without looking like a dork. Young Tucker was famous for his at one time; I assume he was after a George Will vibe, but outgrew it.

Four hours of those guys, as much as I'm inclined to their POV, sounds like enough for several weeks to me.

Neil Young wrote a few classics, but then so did Neil Diamond and nobody ever gave a crap about what he thought.

Christopher said...

I gave up on this section, perhaps too soon, because of Rogan's interjections--I found them generally off-point and distracting.* But I'm impatient these days.

I found Rogan--who I like overall--particularly dense when Peterson was making a very simple point, which is that it gets harder to predict the outcome of an action the further you project into time. I would have used ship navigation as an example--a 1-degree change in course is meaningless across a bay if you're just trying to make landfall, but a continent's difference between Lisbon and the Western Hemishphere.

I agree that in the two segments I watched, Peterson wasn't at his sharpest, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's still emerging from his ordeals. But top-of-your-head is naturally different than his prepared lectures.

*I also have a low tolerance for gutter language, and often log off when anyone wears out his welcome with four-letter words and using Jesus's name as a curse. I have enough garbage in my head without having to cart that out too.

Joe Smith said...

If I had a mind to...

LA_Bob said...

"...I'm proud of my stamina on this one."

I really never understand how Rogan (and guest) can go on for so long. And how Rogan can do this so often. Even when it is very interesting, it can be exhausting to listen to.

Old and slow said...

Xanax is bad stuff to quit. I can confirm that. I was eating 10 to 15mg a day at one time back in the 1990's and I stopped cold. Went deaf for a couple of months and pretty thoroughly lost my mind. I don't recommend getting started on that crap. Of course, I was also quitting heroin and meth at the same time. It wasn't pretty, but it wasn't the end of the world either. It also did not require counseling or treatment centers, or any of that nonsense. It needed the desire to stop. I'm kind of unsympathetic to the lamentations of junkies. I'm not including Peterson in this category, I rather like him.

Ann Althouse said...

"I really never understand how Rogan (and guest) can go on for so long. And how Rogan can do this so often. Even when it is very interesting, it can be exhausting to listen to."

Joe is just living his life, talking to people he likes talking to.

Peterson, on the other hand... switch him on and he jibber-jabbers like a maniac.

As for the listener — and I do mean listener (don't sit there watching it) — you cue it up in your Spotify app on your iPhone and you listen while you brush your teeth and make coffee in the morning, listen to another segment while you're walking or driving somewhere, then again while cooking or cleaning or taking a bath. It's filler when you are doing things, and you don't listen all in one hunk.

Ann Althouse said...

The stamina I speak of is sticking with this one very long podcast rather than switching to another. I'm enjoying Peterson's weird ways of running around in a whole lot of subjects. Is it truth or bullshit? He sounds sincere, and yet he's so sure of so many things. And when he talked about yoga and "aligning" the atoms in your body and ridding yourself of "toxins" in particular areas of your body, I thought it was so obviously unscientific it made me think everything he said was best understood as fanciful and artistic.

Narr said...

Prof's small-dose application sounds reasonable, but in my case it would involve change. I'm at the point in life where I'll try anything except changing.

My wife informed me that she doesn't take Xanax . . . and then said that she did, for a while long ago. I don't recall details, obviously. She does take Klonazepam, for the same reasons people take Xanax, and they are similar in effect.

I watched people get hooked on all kinds of stuff, and certainly enjoy an illegal smile myself, but I've never even considered getting a Rx for anxiety or other mere feelz.


farmgirl said...

That’s exactly how I listen to these podcasts and YouTube interviews.

Peterson jibber jabbers: he spins such a web!! They say spiders have certain sticky strands and certain clean strands- they know the difference. Peterson spins a web and keeps all the strands connected and untangled! He can go so far w/his thoughts and tangents- but, always comes back to the center of his web- never so far out that he loses the point of reference. I admire that so much!!

He usually punctuates his lectures w/things like: “but what do I know” or- “in my estimation”… I think that’s very humbling- I’ve always found him to hold so many facets of character- and he does fluctuate between them all. He’s earnest- that’s sincerity… in his deepest soul I wonder what he holds? Maybe sorrow.

And he’s manicky, yes. But, he’s brilliant, so…

farmgirl said...

… and as w/anything, we- the listeners- get to sift the info and keep what we want and call bs on things… Freedom.

traditionalguy said...

After watching 2 hours I showed it to wife who wanted me to re-watch those 2 hours with her until we reached the new stuff. Amazingly she loved it all. Monday she loved Rogan with Mathew McGonoughey. Rogan is a man whose time has come simply by speaking truth in public . Interesting times.

farmgirl said...

I agree about the gutter language- especially the Lord’s Name in vain. That’s why I’m surprised I stuck w/Afterlife and Derek- Gervais is very gutter. The content wins out over potty mouth.

themightypuck said...

I agree with earlier comments that current JBP is not the JBP of 2015 or so. I tried to watch on Spotify and stopped after a few minutes because he seemed so off and clearly he's the version of Ross Douthat who is willing to tell it like he feels. His daughter being an off the grid medicine pioneer probably had a big influence. He's now in the world of amateur strength athletes, wrestlers, and contrarians who are skeptical of offical experts. He is now more Alex Jonesy than Rogan. That said I'm still a fan. He's my age and I kinda get him. I'll try again. Godspeed Dr. Peterson.

Freeman Hunt said...

Why is everyone so anxious? I think it's a good question.