"... worked hard 10-hour days, six days a week, to raise stadia out of the desert, but also to build luxury residential developments, construct museums and cultural spaces, and lay down new geometric islands in Qatar’s glistening bay. Day after hot day, scaffolders hauled tons of scaffolding pipes, planks and clamps up the lattice structures they fixed together. Cladders and rope artists craned huge panes of aluminum and glass into the air and then balanced off the edges of buildings to attach the panels. Welders torched metal to create the curved joints of buildings, wrapping their workspaces in fire retardant tarps against the desert wind and enclosing themselves in an excruciating whirlwind of fire and sparks. Workers tore up the ground to excavate deep foundations for towering high-rises or to bore tunnels for Doha’s new metro network, which aims to be the fastest driverless system in the world.... I know because I spent a year on construction projects in Qatar interviewing them and shadowing them on-site. They described the fear that stalked them as they scaled the skeletons of buildings. They spoke about the way the extreme heat — averaging highs of more than 105 degrees Fahrenheit during the summer months — seemed to melt the air and made them feel as if they were drowning. They recounted the rage they swallowed at being asked, under threat of deportation, to do things that violated their company’s safety regulations and that they knew would put them at risk of injury...."
From "Opinion: In Qatar’s glittery World Cup, the poor toil for the thrill of the rich" by Natasha Iskander (WaPo).
That tab was open in my browser, and it was open, unread, when, earlier today, writing a post about the new Supreme Court nomination, I needed to see the percentage of women in the American population — it's 50.5 — and I ended up on this World Bank site that shows the percentage of women in all the countries of the world. I clicked to sort the countries from the smallest to the largest percentage. How low do you imagine that percentage goes and what country do you think is at the top of this column? The country is Qatar and the percentage is 24.8.
24.8?! What could possibly be happening? Are they killing their women? Is there an insane rate of death in childbirth? The abortion of females? No, I thought, it is most likely the importation of extra men, used for work, and, seeing this article now, I think that was the right guess.
Qatar has, by far, the lowest percentage of women, and it's the only country with a number in the 20s. There are a few countries in the 30s: United Arab Emirates (30.9%), Oman (34.0%), Bahrain (35.3%), Maldives (36.6%), and Kuwait (38.8%).
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This is exactly what the left in this country wants to do...count non-citizens in the census.
I agree they should be counted, but not to determine congressional districts.
They should be counted and then deported.
FIFA is as corrupt as the Bidens, and that's saying something...
Are we trying to figure out why?
Maybe the mothers send their daughters to other countries whenever they can?
"the poor toil for the thrill of the rich"
As opposed to toiling for the thrill of the poor, or for no one at all?
The globalist set would love to do the same thing here: import millions of third-world workers to keep costs down while they live in luxury. It's cruel, and ultimately unstable.
What is the topic?
That men will travel alone to work and women wont?
FIFA like the Olympic committee is totally and thoroughly corrupt, that is the reason Qatar has the World Cup, the generic evil rich bogeyman has nothing to do with it. As resident of gulf states do not actually work (it’s beneath them) those stats are not surprising
North Dakota when there was an XL pipeline
Reports also published by NPR and the Guardian say 6,500 of those men have died while working on the stadia and infrastructure.
Money, money, money... it's what drove the slave trade here when it was legal, and why a hundred thousands folks enter the US illegally every month. We got stadia and infrastructure to build and clean, crops to pick. At least we didn't/don't discriminate against women at the border.
Are they building it the way the Romans built the Colosseum? You know, go to a city, Jerusalem in that case, sack and raze it, and load up all the men on ships and in chains and bring them back home, and using the looted treasure, finance years of slavery to build their similar shrine to spectacle? Or are these men coming voluntarily to work and send home money to their families?
They recounted the rage they swallowed at being asked, under threat of deportation...
Removal from these hellish conditions, and deportation, a fate worse than death, I guess.
So basically it's the same kinds of things that big tech is doing bringing in foreign workers, who can't switch jobs, or complain too hard, or they will be deported, you know, because American workers are too expensive for the tech billionaires to pay for. If it's good enough for Google, Amazon, and Facebook, why is it not OK for Qatar?
" the poor toil for the thrill of the rich". I wonder what the writer thinks of the stoop labor that goes into putting food into the store where he gets it?
The only legitimate issue he uncovered are the accounts of safety violations, otherwise, this all seems pretty voluntary on the part of the toiling workers.
The Jews brought to Rome also had the issue of not having any women, which is why genetic studies of Ashkenazi Jews show that the male genes go back to the Levant, but the female genes are local women to southern Europe.
From the WaPo article : "The cheap seats will be hard to come by — there are 60 percent less than at the last World Cup."
Doesn't it rankle you when the words "less" and "fewer" are misused/interchanged?
That's a lot of men without prospects for a female mate. That kind of imbalance can't be good for anyone other than the people who need things to be built for them. I wonder whether the count is accurate in those countries, though. Are the women being literally hidden?
Also, 50.5, because women outlive men. Of all the travesties to complain about, you would think that "having more time for life" would be something that would be included in the stupid leftist habit of dividing people and comparing who has it worse than whom. Almost 100% of leftist politics boils down to this stupid infatuation. And, in fact, lifespan is included in the calculation! But perhaps not the way you might think. You see, the longer life span means that women, on average, have to deal more with the hardship of living alone in old age. So dying early is actually an advantage of being male.
Take any topic, present it to a leftist, and what you will get is selfish dishonesty served back to you. They literally can't help themselves.
I agree they should be counted, but not to determine congressional districts.
This would require a constitutional amendment.
Probably not the case in a Muslim country where I’m guessing abortion is frowned upon, but worldwide it’s estimated that we may be short 150,000,000 women due to selective abortion. Consider interviewing a young Chinese man looking for a wife.
That men will travel alone to work and women wont?
Women do, it's just generally in the opposite direction. Men will leave the comforts of civilization to work a dirty job somewhere in the middle of nowhere. Women flee small towns for the bright lights of big cities and first-world capitals.
Selective abortion explains the skewed male to female ratio.
I also find very amusing that the reporter was probably using any number of electronic devices that use third world labor or even slave labor. I did not see anywhere in the article that she(he) acknowledged her complicity.
It would help to resolve this problem if Qatar made the effort to recruit more women to work in the construction trades. It is unfair to use only men for the brute strength of their bodies and to use women only for the sexual attraction of their bodies. Some effort should be made to exploit both sexes equally.
Barely on topic, but why a 'hotness' topic when 'heat' would be more precise? Just wondering. I browsed some of the hotness posts and it looked like heat would have fit them as well.
qatar who can hack hundreds of persons without consequence who distributes xte software throughout the middle east, that fields militias from afghanistan to west africa,
i think i SAW this movie!
Wasn't titled Qatars Needs Women ???
anywho, seems like a place rhhardin should like
Does this get the 'hotness' tag because AA is imagining all those tan, sweaty men swinging big tools in the sun?
It seems to me that we should expect the male/female balance to be 50/50. To the extent that it is not, I'd like an explanation. The explanation may show that nothing bad is happening, but it's a sign that something has gone wrong. I presume there is a huge problem when a country has only 24% women! I think too few men is also a problem, but there is no country that has anything close to that low of a percentage of men. The lowest I see is 45.8% men (in Nepal).
so The Problem is:
Qatar imports men to work construction, etc; and this skews their demographs
and THIS upsets (some) people
Sounds like Qatar could fix this, by importing several hundred thousands of female sex workers
Unlike the men, These (like MOST sex workers) would be involuntary servitude
But, WHO the Hell would care? The demographs would look better; and THAT is THE Thing, right?
Actually, IF they'd Just count the sexworkers already there, it'd smooth things out a lot
Interesting that it is Muslim countries in the Middle East and the Horn of Africa that have the lowest percentage of women. (but not all, as Lebanon and Syria have higher percentages). Are women sneaking out of those countries? Young girls ferried out under the cover of darkness, to other lands so that they may be freer? Or worse, are a great number of women being sold, trafficked into slavery?
Seems an odd regional and/or cultural sub-level of women.
You can get bigger deviations in a statistic when you sample a small pool. Try moving the needle (from 50.5) with a population of umpty-skrillion like China or India or even the US of A.
Combine a small pool (and all the countries with whack statistics are small) with a single-sampling strategy; where you sample the pool during a downturn in migrant employment (fewer males) or an upswing in border control (ditto) or the reverse. How robust is the statistic over time and across changes in the conditions of the country under study (jobs, political climate, competing markets for mobile labor, stresses in the countries whence the migrants came, etc)?
In case it's not obvious, I am not a social scientist, just trying to dig into this flashy numerical imbalance.
Gee, whatever could those countries have in common? And why wouldn't more women want to go there?
What they don't say is the worst part of the torture working in one of these backward religious shitholes is the lack of available pussy and beer. My Vietnam veteran brother told me that the sandbox vets got totally screwed out of the sweet taste of hot war torn pussy and ice cold beer.
Time for CWJ's pedantic fact of the day.
Sex ratio at birth actually favors men. Something like 105/100 if I remember correctly. It's only over time as those pesky males die off, that the sex ratio by age shifts increasingly toward women.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-changers/why-buck-doe-sex-ratios-matter-your-local-deer-herd/%3famp
In the best-case scenario, sportsmen can work with agencies and landowners to ensure an appropriate sex-ratio for the habitat. By removing excess does, sportsmen can help improve the overall body condition in the herd and reduce the amount of overwinter mortality (Boulandger et al., 2012). By reducing the excess, hunters are encouraging breeding competition between bucks, ensuring that the strongest, largest buck is the one breeding does.
"I presume there is a huge problem when a country has only 24% women! I think too few men is also a problem, but there is no country that has anything close to that low of a percentage of men. The lowest I see is 45.8% men (in Nepal)."
It seems unwise to assume accurate and consistent counting when comparing across very different countries. We know that doesn't work in lots of cases. The methods of counting can be drastically different. If you know that women have restricted rights in many of these countries, and in some cases literally can't show their face, why would you assume that they are being counted accurately? When the difference is so great and the outcome so surprising, but it fits onto your hobby horse so perfectly, the sober thing to do is first to question whether the data is reliable.
It seems to me that we should expect the male/female balance to be 50/50. To the extent that it is not, I'd like an explanation. The explanation may show that nothing bad is happening, but it's a sign that something has gone wrong.
Now do U.S. universities.
Gahrie said...
It seems to me that we should expect the male/female balance to be 50/50. To the extent that it is not, I'd like an explanation. The explanation may show that nothing bad is happening, but it's a sign that something has gone wrong.
Now do U.S. universities.
HR departments.
Well, if I lived in the Middle East, I’d identify as a man too.
That explains Beverly Hills in 80s.
"Barely on topic, but why a 'hotness' topic when 'heat' would be more precise? Just wondering. I browsed some of the hotness posts and it looked like heat would have fit them as well."
I think hotness is the whole subject of things being hot, but heat seems to be about the heat itself, so it's more likely that the subject is hotness. But it all depends on the first post where I made the tag, long ago, and then I was avoiding duplicating the tag.
For a few years, Blogger wasn't suggesting autocompletions of tags, so I ended up with some duplications. When I got the functionality back, I started going in and consolidating tags. Just this morning I saw that I had both "cold" and "coldness." "Coldness" seemed to be an effort to parallel "hotness," but it turned out "cold" was an older tag with many more posts, so I went back and changed all the ones with "coldness" to "cold."
It seems to me that we should expect the male/female balance to be 50/50. To the extent that it is not, I'd like an explanation. The explanation may show that nothing bad is happening, but it's a sign that something has gone wrong.
How about we do college. 56.58% women. Interesting fact, that once upon a time, more men had college degrees than women, but women now eclipse men. Not in current enrollment, but in those who hold degrees in the population.
'What they don't say is the worst part of the torture working in one of these backward religious shitholes is the lack of available pussy and beer.'
New slogan for the country:
Come to Qatar, where Joy Behar is a solid 10™
Btw, is it still 'Cutter'? I always said 'Katar' like 'Guitar.'
Of course, it will always be Pock-ee-stahn.
'Now do U.S. universities.'
Now do oil platforms, coal mines, steel mills, etc.
qatar gives brookings institute 15 million reasons to cheer, they were all for the lamentations over effendi khashoggi,
Another factor driving the ratio is the very low denominator for Qatar. Qatar has less than 3 million people and it appears that only about half are natives (Qatar is 40% Arab and 36$ South Asian). Further, the small number of natives means all that money is concentrated in a small population making the average Qatarian filthy rich.
Doing some rough calcs, say 1/2 of the 3 million are native and they are 50/50 women. They import 1.5 million foreign workers who are approximately 100% male. That gives a F/M ratio of 25%.
A wealthy country like Qatar could easily hire one "servant" for each native to do the jobs Qatarians won't do. Importing 1.5 million people is doable, whereas there are 34 million people in Saudi Arabia.
I understand that foreign workers in Qatar are rarely allowed to become citizens, so workers generally don't bring their families because the work is seen as temporary.
Reports also published by NPR and the Guardian say 6,500 of those men have died while working on the stadia and infrastructure.
I'm skeptical. That's a lot of dead workers, about a dozen or more a day. They want to make you think that workers are falling from scaffolds right and left.
My guess is they inflated the count by including deaths from all causes. So if a worker has a stroke and dies while eating lunch, it is counted. Or something like that.
I pronounce it Gutter, Joe
The Jews brought to Rome also had the issue of not having any women, which is why genetic studies of Ashkenazi Jews show that the male genes go back to the Levant, but the female genes are local women to southern Europe.
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how does this square with Jew via mother line only?
did Rabbis change the requirement?
One-child by her or Her Choice?
how does this square with Jew via mother line only?
did Rabbis change the requirement?
That is an interesting question, isn't it? I think the loophole is estoppel.
By reducing the excess, hunters are encouraging breeding competition between bucks, ensuring that the strongest, largest buck is the one breeding does.
Which, coincidentally, is also the very buck that everybody is trying their hardest to kill.
Busy brothels
That men will travel alone to work and women wont?
In most of those low women countries, unattached foreign women would have a very, very difficult time.
Narayanan said...
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how does this square with Jew via mother line only?
did Rabbis change the requirement?
It's Not jew via mother line only... It's AUTOMATICALLY jew via moterline
A traditional beit din, for example, expects a conversion to be based entirely upon the desire to become a Jew,
So, if you lived in the village,
and learned some Hebrew AND rabbis think you would/could/should... You ARE!
The conversion itself requires these three things.
1For men, a ritual circumcision, or for those already circumcised, the ritual drawing of a drop
2The potential convert must appear before a rabbinic court (beit din) made up of three knowledgeable Jews,
3Once you have been approved by the rabbinic court, you will be taken to the mikvah. The mikvah is a ritual bath in which you will immerse naked.
Sex ratio at birth actually favors men. Something like 105/100 if I remember correctly. It's only over time as those pesky males die off, that the sex ratio by age shifts increasingly toward women.
Obviously, the world is a toxic environment for males, and some affirmative action is necessary to make things equal.
furthermore the royal families of qatar and the kingdom, come from a similar line, and they have been in a hatfield/mccoy fight since 1996,
'I pronounce it Gutter, Joe'
But of course you do, in a British accent no doubt.
Now do Munich...
It’s interesting that the Qatari moslems can have what, 4 wives. So there must be some stiff completion there.
Having lived for some years in the Philippines, I can give some insight from the other side. Most of the jobs in the Middle East that are filled by foreigners like Filipinos have restrictions that the recruited worker cannot bring any family. I can't speak for other nationalities working in Qatar and like places, but I know that the Filipinos working there are sending a lot of their earnings back home.
Those m/f ratios look like trouble in the long run for those Arab countries. What is the over/under percentage on probability of a “blood bath revolution?” Put me down for 80%.
They’re hiding the womenz in the harems…
Spare us the Cutter
Qatar needs U. And women.
Obviously an ongoing plague of so-called “honor killings” throughout the Middle East decimating the female population?
Gilbar @9:18AM…
Damn straight! #hardinheaven
They prefer to be called Little People, Joe. Didn't you see the midget post yesterday?
I wonder how many women are present but not counted. They'd surely be working hard too. Just not out in public.
Scott Patton said...
I wonder how many women are present but not counted. They'd surely be working hard too. Just not out in public.
That's What *I* said!
What is the topic?
That men will travel alone to work and women wont?
Actually women do take contracts to work in places like Qatar. However in the Middle East there is a much larger demand for traditional male jobs like oil workers and the construction trades than there are in the traditional female jobs like housekeepers, nannies, and nurses. I suppose you could argue for more gender equity in the oil fields and construction sites, but I doubt you'll make much headway with the Qataris.
I think anywhere the climate is fairly extreme will have less women than men. This is true in the United States as well, with Alaska having a higher percentage of men than women.
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