December 10, 2021

"With infinite love we announce that Michael Nesmith has passed away this morning in his home, surrounded by family, peacefully and of natural causes."

 Said the family, quoted in "Michael Nesmith, Monkees Singer-Songwriter, Dead at 78" (Rolling Stone).

“This being, ‘What is this thing? What have we got here? What’s required of us? Is this a band? Is this a television show?’ When you go back to the genesis of this thing, it is a television show because it has all those traditional beats. But something else was going on, and it struck a chord way out of proportion to the original swing of the hammer. You hit the gong and suddenly it’s huge.”

I thoroughly loved The Monkees. I remember reading about the show before it began and awaiting it eagerly. I remember when Mike Nesmith was called "Mike Wool Hat Nesmith" — as if he was too hard to identify without the added attribute of the hat and the continual pointing out of it. I remember he was, essentially, the John Lennon of the group, sarcastic and a little mean. 

I still listen to The Monkees and too much time has passed to put them down, even if, long ago you did put them down, when they were too busy singing to put you down. They came up in my playlist as I was sunrise-running this morning: "I'm Not Your Stepping Stone."

Here are The Monkees — the Monkees then still living — last month:

 

And now there's one Monkee left — our dear Circus Boy:

90 comments:

rcocean said...

And then there was one.

Lloyd W. Robertson said...

I have to admit, I didn't know about "Circus Boy." Charming. Why don't you ask TR if I can get into the Roughriders.

Joe Smith said...

I watched a lot of that show growing up...

He was a very good songwriter...

Here's a sweet song.

And again in a live version.

It does hit you more when the icons of your childhood start passing...

Joe Smith said...

I remember listening to 'Pleasant Valley Sunday' on the portable record player, and even as an 8 or 9 year old absorbing the biting sarcasm despite the lovely tune...

They started off as the original Boy Band and became a lot more.

rehajm said...

As a kid I caught the show in syndication. Even with my limited experience as a human ‘Beatles knockoff’ was the knock on them…

I still like the tunes…and the mod. Still underrated.

Thank you Monkees.

wendybar said...

Loved The Monkees. His Mom invented White Out for typing errors. RIP Mike.

dwstaple said...

Fun fact, his mother was the inventor of the correction fluid 'Liquid Paper.'

Black and Gold Brad said...

Just crushing news -- how will I tell my daughter? I grew up in 70s, 80s (50 now) and was handed a few old Monkees vinyl albums in late 70s from my Aunt who grew up with them. I fell in love with their music with rarely ever seeing the TV show, until MTV reran them in '86.

So I introduced them to my daughter (10 now) several years ago. We watched all their TV shows, rocked out and danced to their music. We even got to see them in Lancaster County PA a few years ago! So much fun sharing that with my girl - it was her first concert. I was watching her belt out the lyrics as much as my eyes were on the stage that night. Pure magic.

And not 2 nights ago she asked if we could watch some more Monkees & when they'll be coming around again. This will break my heart tonight telling her.

RIP Papa Nez. You and yours have given a great many of us decades of joy.

madAsHell said...

My mother passed-on a few days before Thanksgiving at 95 years of age.

Last year, she had seen her 104-year-old brother stop eating, and die after 14 days. So, she stopped eating on Halloween.

About two weeks later, she calls me to the bedside, and asks "What is the calendar date?"

"Well, Mom it is November 16."

"Oh, Gawd Dammit.......I was supposed to be out of here on the 14th!!! What the hell is wrong with me??"

I let that thought hang for a moment, and then I spoke up.

"Mom, you know patience is a virtue."

She glared at me like she was going to jump out of bed to rip me a new asshole.

.......and then she started laughing.

That's pretty much the last thing I said to her. She died two days later.

Critter said...

I had nothing against the actor/musicians of the Monkees, but I hated that they represented the worst of the pop music business of creating and promoting stars. It is all so manipulative. For sure, they also promoted nearly all pop stars including the Beatles, and I always grimaced when I saw it. I thought it was embarrassing to see girls fainting at concerts and pledging their love to pop stars. For me, either I liked the music or not. If I liked it, I listened to it and sometimes bought albums so I could concentrate my listening on music I like. I still do this through iTunes, seldom downloading a full album/CD.

Althouse, can you let us know what caused you to idolize the Monkees and other pop musicians? I can admire their skill and want to understand how they work to create their songs, but I don't know the people so I find it impossible to idolize them. In the case of the Monkees, they didn't even create their breakthrough songs and may not even have played the instruments on them.

tim in vermont said...

I never missed that show on Saturday mornings, if memory from 50+ years ago serves. OK, sometimes I missed it, if there was a pickup baseball game going on, or we were fishing at the river, or whatever, but I watched it whenever I was in the house when it was on, yeah, that's the ticket!

I really like his song Different Drum.

MrEdd said...

The professor and I being of an age, I also found the Monkees fascinating. The first album I ever purchased in the mid 60s was one of theirs. Leaving aside the darker meanings of "Last Train to Clarksville" and "Pleasant Valley Sunday", their songs were pure pop fun. Oddly, one of my favorite songs by them was only released in 2016, 50 years after my introduction to them. I sometimes sing it to my wife. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpp-Ry2ZNhY It is odd how a turbulent time of race riots, war and antiwar protests, cold wars and the threat of nuclear annihilation will always be associated by me with their silly little show.

cf said...

the always debonair living encyclopedia, @iowahawkblog served up a charming best twitter thread on Monkee Nesmith, turns out he knows & loves this guy as much as he knows and loves his Auto histories.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/1469364768175706114?s=20

robother said...

So Micky Dolenz learned to play the drums when he was a kid, but forgot by the time he joined the Monkees? And people wonder why d(r)ummer jokes are a thing.

madAsHell said...

I can't believe that Mickey Dolenz is the last man standing!!! He was a Hollywood Vampire.

Amexpat said...

"More of the Monkees" was the first album I owned and I listened it to it a lot. Their TV show was my favorite when it first aired. After a year or so I was a bit embarrassed to have a Monkees record in my collection. They seemed so juvenile compared the The Doors, Led Zeppelin and the other "serious" music I was into.

But many of their songs have held up. Unlike Iron Butterfly and other groups that I viewed as being serious at the time.

Pete said...

The Political Beats podcast covered The Monkees - serious, sincere discussion and analysis. I recommend giving it a listen if you're not a fan of the group - it might change your mind.

Ann Althouse said...

“Althouse, can you let us know what caused you to idolize the Monkees and other pop musicians?”

Does love mean idolize in your book? If so, I feel sorry for you.

Rollo said...

After yesterday's article, I would have thought of Mike as the Paul -- the serious one who tried to keep the group working and together. He could have been the George if he kept quiet. Davy was the heartthrob, so he was another Paul. There was no John. Peter and Mickey were both Ringos.

Kathryn51 said...

Althouse said: I thoroughly loved The Monkees.

Me too, Althouse. It was the one and only concert that I ever attended. Back then, one could only purchase concert tickets by phone - dialing and dialing until you could reach someone. We started the moment the phone lines opened up (something like 8 am?) Somehow my sister and I lucked out - front row seats at the Coliseum. It was the 1st time my folks allowed us to attend something all by ourselves - but back then, going to the Seattle Center was very family friendly and safe.

When I read the news about Michael N., I turned to husband and said "my favorite Monkee is the only still alive - and he was Circus Boy!". I don't know why I was surprised when I read that you also knew that little factoid.

gadfly said...

"They came up in my playlist as I was sunrise-running this morning: 'I'm Not Your Stepping Stone.'"

Sorry, nothing here concerning the tall, "wool hat" guy. Drummer Micky Dolenz sang lead, and was the only the only member of Monkees to perform on the "Stepping Stone" recording. In their early years, the Monkees' songs were usually recorded by top session musicians. Sadly then, some Monkees' songs are not Monkees' songs after all.

tim maguire said...

The Prefab Four were much better, their impact far deeper, then we had any right to expect when they were cast. I wonder if that was an artifact of the 60's. When they do this today, the result may be catchy, but completely forgettable and soon forgotten.

LordSomber said...

People give the Monkees a hard time but a major portion of mid-late 60's chart-toppers all had the Wrecking Crew playing on their recordings.

Maynard said...

The show was teeny bopper cute, but the music was pretty good.

If I recall correctly, Mike was the only musician in the group. Most of the music was written and performed by Boyce and Hart.

Will Cate said...

I was six years old when the TV show premiered, and have been a lifelong fan.

Václav Patrik Šulik said...

I recommend the Political Beats podcast on the Monkees. They did this show in their infancy, so there are still some kinks, but it's a good, serioius, appreciation of the Monkees.

https://www.nationalreview.com/podcasts/political-beats/political-beats-monkees/

p.s. the first record I ever bought was the Monkees debut album, when I was about 7 or 8. I tucked it under my arm to take it to my friend's house on my bike and it slid out (idiot me had the opening down). I still have the album missing the first track. I still nearly wore it out. RIP Michael.

tim in vermont said...

We did used to walk down the street as kids and sing out "Hey hey, we're the Monkees!," sometimes. Ironically... of course.

tim in vermont said...

Davey did a really good job singing Day Dream Believer. Listen to it sometime, and remember that there was no pitch correction then, no tricks, and that was genuinely sung, and tell me that wasn't pretty damn good.

gilbar said...

i always liked the monkees. They were no Archies (let alone Josie and the Pussycats),
but the monkees had the disadvantage of being a fictional group; so there's that.

Still, Pleasant Valley Sunday doesn't come close to Sugar Sugar... But then what Did?

Iman said...

Another one moves on. He was a very interesting fellow and the handful of Monkee songs I hear on the radio now and then always bring a smile to my face and the challenge of remembering the lyrics as I sing along… often to my wife’s annoyance, lol…

Tom Grey said...

@iowahawk (cf) mentions Elephant Parts, from 1981, a video I bought (VHS not Betamax) and watched a few times with my DINK girlfriend.
It had the quite fun tribute/parody song "Rodanne" (only 48s).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6GUpmHFvME

He also was complaining about the oil companies and the price of gas (which was econ BS - wonder if most folk today will believe the Dems again?)

I remember the joke at end of reasonable song "Rio":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpcTsy10dE
Nez (as light man, not dancer): Reno? Why Reno?
Lovely dancer: Not Reno, dummy. Rio. Rio dee genero (with big smile and twirl...)
Was a very interesting video, just as MTV started - tho in watching it again just now, remembered thinking it was a fine 2 min. song stretched out too long for the video effects.
Also remembered his mother invented Liquid Paper - so he was independently wealthy. Too bad there were some Monkee tours in the 80s/ 90s he chose NOT to go on.

I did like their TV shows, and many clever fun lyrics; had their Greatest Hits album.
"Today there is no Black and White. Only shades of gray." Michael's classic hit with the Monkees was "Listen to the Band" (#3 on the 4 song clip!)

Interesting to see him in the Get Back video - they were a US TV pop version of the Beatles, willing and able to have a ton of fun. On TV. Glad Shrek helped my kids have a bit of fun with "I'm a Believer" (#4).

tim in vermont said...

Peter was Ringo and Mickey was George....obs. Davey was Paul and Mike was John. In the words of our dear president "Come on, man!"

Chris Lopes said...

"Does love mean idolize in your book? If so, I feel sorry for you."


^^^^^This^^^^^

There is a difference between loving something and worshipping it. You can enjoy all sorts of things without making them the center of your universe. The Beatles didn't really have any better take on life than you or me. Neither does Oprah or anyone you'd risk COVID to see in a theater. Just enjoy what you enjoy and keep it in perspective.

Tom Grey said...

"Even the nicest neighborhood can be spoiled by ...
neighbors"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L951UPDh_CU
NNS (funny minute)

alanc709 said...

Mike Nesmith wrote the seminal 60's song, made popular by Linda Ronstadt: Different Drum.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

I was born in 1959. During the Monkees' era of the mid to late sixties, I often walked to the little store about a mile from my home when I got my $1 allowance on Friday afternoon or Saturday morning, and I bought Hit Parade or similar magazines that had song lyrics in them. I loved the Monkees. I loved much of the pop music of that time but the Monkees being on TV was phenomenal.

I think I may have liked Peter Tork the best. I remember that Nesmith was kind of scary. Almost all pop hits back them featured session musicians on the recordings. That's nothing unusual. It was unusual when guys like Glen Campbell decided to put together their own bands.

Two-eyed Jack said...

I hadn't thought of the Monkees since . . . well, since yesterday when Althouse wrote about Lennon and McCartney bouncing jokes and silly lines off each other. I thought at the time about how the Beatles were not only a better band than the TV show version of a band, but they were better comedians as well.

But the weirdest thing about the Monkees is that they seized the opportunity to be real and, like four Pinocchios becoming real boys, they became a real musical group.

Rest In Peace. Don't vote in Chicago.

madAsHell said...

Davey did a really good job singing Day Dream Believer.

Agreed, but I believe he had multiple singing credits growing up in the London theater. He was not an unknown talent, and neither was Dolenz.

rcocean said...

Singer and actors should just perfrom and then go behind a vieled curtain where their real selves are hidden from view. Of course, that's what happened in Ye Olden Days. "The Suits" in the "Enterainment Industry" made sure that we didn't know what our beloved stars were REALLY like.

Emotionally we connect with these singers and actors. Realistically, we know the real life human beings who sing songs and act, are usually - lets be honest - losers. Oh, they're so cute. They're so funny. They seem so smart. And then you find out they're just the opposite in real life.

Such as the "THe Monkees". I guess the singer/actors are like most of us, they couldn't resist telling us their OPINIONS, even when their OPINIONS were utterly dumb. If you told "Micky" about Pascal or Kant, he'd probably ask "Are those your cocaine/Heroin dealers?"
Yet the lack of any uh...education. Doesn't prevent "Micky" from pontificating about the existance of God. Y'see "Micky" has taken time from the drugs and music to declare that God doesn't exist. I mean Okey-dokey, Rock on Dude!

So, things were better back in the old days. Today its TMI. idols with feet of clay. Or mouths full of clay. Better to shut up and sing.

gilbar said...

no mention of Jimi Hendrix opening for the Monkees?

Dolenz strongly recommended hiring Jimi Hendrix and his band as their opening act. Peter Tork and Michael Nesmith supported the choice; both were anxious to be accepted as serious musicians and believed that Hendrix would lend them some credibility among rock critics and older record buyers.

Still not Sugar Sugar (biggest hit of 1969)

gilbar said...

Don Kirshner had originally wanted The Monkees to record "Sugar, Sugar" but the group rejected the song during a heated meeting at the Beverly Hills Hotel in January 1967.

Ann Althouse said...

"Peter was Ringo and Mickey was George....obs. Davey was Paul and Mike was John."

That's all true except that Mickey was not George. If anything Peter was more George, that is, the quiet one. In that, Peter was also Harpo. Mike was Groucho, Davey was Zeppo, and Mickey was... Chico??

Anyway, Mickey was not like George at all. The Monkees were put together to be an interesting comedy team, unlike The Beatles, and having someone like George just wouldn't be funny, not until it was possible to make fun of his India obsession. Mickey's persona was to be the clown.

It would make more sense to say Mickey was Ringo and Peter was George. But Peter was too sweet and cuddly to be George. It would make more sense to say Mike was George, but Mike was John.

AndrewV said...

"If I recall correctly, Mike was the only musician in the group. Most of the music was written and performed by Boyce and Hart."

Peter Tork along with Mike Nesmith were the professional musicians of the group. He auditioned for a part on the show at the urging of his friend Stephen Stills who had also tried out but was rejected.

Ann Althouse said...

"Agreed, but I believe he had multiple singing credits growing up in the London theater."

Davey was on the same episode of The Ed Sullivan Show that The Beatles first appeared on. He was the Artful Dodger in the London cast of "Oliver."

David Begley said...

I read the Variety story about Nesmith’s death with the obligatory reference to his mother inventing Liquid Paper. The story is poorly written but suggested that Stephen Stills auditioned to be a Monkee! Imagine that!

Joe Smith said...

'Davey did a really good job singing Day Dream Believer.'

My first 'real' girlfriend was named Jean.

To this day, when I hear that song I crank up the volume and sing along.

Wow how time has flown...

wild chicken said...

Always loved him, his songs Joanne and Different Drum. I even bought his First National Band album Nevada Fighter, and searched him out when Search became a thing.

Yes, a fan!

Joe Smith said...

'Davey was on the same episode of The Ed Sullivan Show that The Beatles first appeared on. He was the Artful Dodger in the London cast of "Oliver."'

That's not nothing.

Btw, Wikipedia has Jones in the original Broadway cast in 1963. Maybe he was an understudy in London?

Either way, anybody (kid or not) who does live theater in London or on Broadway has serious talent.

Rollo said...

Who will mourn for the Banana Splits?

Will anyone even notice when the last of them passes on?

Joe Smith said...

@AA...Jones is spoken of as 'another veteran of the London production.'

Maybe they only list the originators of the roles...

Rollo said...

"Pleasant Valley Sunday" was so anti-materialistic. What happened to that spirit? Where did it go? Was it ever serious?

It was written by Gerry Goffin and Carole King a few months after "Penny Lane," and unless I'm mistaken there's a little influence there on the lyrics. It's more cynical, though.

Mid-Life Lawyer said...

"RIP to Michael Nesmith, the coolest Monkee of them all, who died today at the age of 78. Michael was born in Houston and raised mostly in Dallas. He was not only a very good guitarist but a good songwriter: he wrote "Different Drum," which Linda Ronstadt turned into a hit song.
A prankster by nature, Michael arrived at his audition for The Monkees carrying a guitar and bag of dirty laundry he said he planned to wash immediately afterward. With a harmonica around his neck, he stormed into a casting office, banging the door loudly. After pausing to gaze at a painting as if it were a mirror, he sat down and immediately put his feet up on a desk. He got the job.
And the rest, as they say, is history." Traces of Texas (it's a great Facebook follow)

Danno said...

Look at all of the rockers from way back who have died before Keith Richards. It makes you wonder.

MrEdd said...

Odd effects on music. 1966: Davy Jones becomes David Bowie
The musician adopted the moniker David Bowie in 1966. He had tried going by Davy Jones, but it was the same name as the lead singer of the Monkees. He chose his new name after American pioneer Jim Bowie, who is credited for the Bowie knife. Also Nesmith was a pioneer in music videos. I remember his "Eldorado to the Moon" video. Too bad that it became hip to dis them as posers

Tom Grey said...

The four Beatles had great and special chemistry as a group - but not all groups have similar chemistry. Is "orange" more like a bridge or like a road? The Beatles were "real", the Monkees were, literally, made for TV.

But:
"like four Pinocchios becoming real boys, they became a real musical group." (Two-eyed jack - not a spade nor a heart; with my poker friends we more often made one-eyed jacks be jokers). It was a bit known that Davey was really a drummer - but for the TV show they didn't want him hidden. (And David Bowie changed his name from "Jones" to avoid confusion)

I'd say among the top 20 groups of the 60s - perhaps among the top 10 of those fondly remembered and still bringing smiles when their songs come on.

madAsHell said...

Davey was on the same episode of The Ed Sullivan Show that The Beatles first appeared on.

Yeah......but how many times was Davey Jones on the cover of Tiger Beat magazine?

RMc said...

The Beatles were fans of the Monkees and even hosted a party for them when the "Pre-Fab Four" came to England. Lennon watched all of the Monkees episodes and called them the greatest comedians since the Marx Brothers.

Rory said...

"People give the Monkees a hard time but a major portion of mid-late 60's chart-toppers all had the Wrecking Crew playing on their recordings."

Peter Tork is in the Wrecking Crew documentary, relating taking his instruments to their first recording session only to learn that the tracks had already been recorded.

chickelit said...

I'm grateful that Nesmith produced Alex Cox's "Repo Man." That's a personal favorite cult movie of mine--mainly because of the sound track.

chickelit said...

"Day Dream Believer." was one of those songs that I used to sing out loud in Germany with a literal translation: ..."Tag Traum Geglauber..."

Good times!

chickelit said...

Davey was on the same episode of The Ed Sullivan Show that The Beatles first appeared on. He was the Artful Dodger in the London cast of "Oliver."

Steve Marriott of the "Small Faces" and later of "Humble Pie" played that same role.

Brylinski said...

I have 13 songs by The Monkees on my iPhone (of about 10,000 songs I’ve converted to .mp3):
1 (Theme From) The Monkees
2 Last Train to Clarksville
3 I’m a Believer
4 (I’m Not Your) Stepping Stone
5 A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You
6 Daydream Believer
7 Pleasant Valley Sunday
8 Valleri
9 Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)
10 She
11 Mary Mary
12 I Wanna Be Free
13 Your Auntie Grizelda

Am I missing any?

It’s good music to listen to from time to time for an old guy…

Narr said...

They were definitely not cool in my crowd. Which made it really galling when people would sing "Hey Hey We're The Monkees" just because we all wore the same flat cap.

Narr said...

Not the same single cap, of course. Different caps.

If I pulled the crown up I looked like a real Bolshevik.

Ann Althouse said...

Not London then but the cast was British

who-knew said...

Late, as usual, but there's a lot of talk about the Monkees here and not enough about Nesmith's solo work. The First National Band was great and, arguably. could lay claim t0 inventing country rock. Red Rhodes was a genius on the pedal steel and Nesmith was a fantastic songwriter and a decent singer., Besides Different Drum, he wrote Propinquity (I've Just become to Care) and Some of Shelly's Blues. All of the albums he recorded with the First National Band are top-notch. I still own all of his albums from the 60's and 70's and listen to them regularly because they are worth the time. RIP Michael, you will be missed by the discerning.

WK said...

I seem to remember the Monkees and Banana Splits being on Saturday morning (after getting home from trumpet lessons). Maybe wrong about when the Monkees show was on..... always wanted one of those 6 wheeled atvs the Banana Splits had....

BUMBLE BEE said...

You may remember "Friends stick together with Scotch Brand cellophane tape" with Andy Divine". Got a tape of 33 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkey?

BUMBLE BEE said...

How About some "Head"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4nT-5DyjX0

Chris Lopes said...

"Look at all of the rockers from way back who have died before Keith Richards. It makes you wonder."

There is a cartoon somewhere that features Adam and Eve on one side of the frame and some homeless looking old dude on the other. God is speaking to the couple from above. He says "Oh that's Keith Richards, he was here when I got here." Makes me smile whenever I think about it.

mikee said...

AS a small child I was absolutely certain that The Monkeys TV show was an obvious and necessary predecessor for The Banana Splits Show. I loved and watched them both. The Monkeys had better music and actual plots. The Banana Splits Show was more a variety show, with furries.

itzik basman said...

Your post on Nesmith triggered certain nice memories of the Monkees. I always found them musically pleasant though I didn’t care much about their TV show or know much about whom each one of was. The rap on them was that they were a “synthetic” or artificial group created by mixing and matching till the right four were put together for a TV sitcom. I specifically remember their Last Train To Clarksville most vividly and most fondly of all their songs. Mind you, Cassandra Wilson made that song her own, taking it from most pleasant pop to brimming with mood and feeling.

Ann Althouse said...

"The Beatles were "real", the Monkees were, literally, made for TV."

But The Beatles did "Hard Day's Night" from a script, and that's what the Monkees TV sitcom was trying to bring to TV. The Beatles agreed to the animation of their personas in "Yellow Submarine," where other people did the voice acting. There's realness and fakeness in different degrees. The Monkees music was real music, and it was a lot like much of the pop music that had been made over the decades.

The real Beatles were what they were in Germany, before Brian Epstein figured out how to market them (and they fell apart after Brian died). The producer George Martin had a lot to do with what the music became.

So don't overdo the real/fake distinction. That's the fakest thing of all.

Ann Althouse said...

I'm really looking forward to the Andrew Hickey podocast about The Monkees. He's spoken favorably of them many times.

DanTheMan said...

>>It would make more sense to say Mickey was Ringo and Peter was George. But Peter was too sweet and cuddly to be George. It would make more sense to say Mike was George, but Mike was John.

And Yoko Ono was Witchiepoo.

Michael Mansberg said...

@Brylinski — Yes you are missing at least one: Tapioca Tundra. One of my favorites. Flip side of Valleri if I remember correctly. Much more interesting song.

gilbar said...

Maybe wrong about when the Monkees show was on.

it sure was on Saturday mornings, but those were reruns
Banana Splits Ruled!

Saint Croix said...

I love the Monkees. "I'm a Believer," one of my favorite songs.

Speaking of belief, John Lennon once said that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.

Which is funny because in 1967, the Monkees were more popular than the Beatles.

RIP, brother, and thank you for your music.

Big Mike said...

So now Mickey is the last surviving Monkee. Will the last surviving Beatle be Paul or will it be Ringo? Ringo is two years older but looks ten years younger. I guess everyone assumes Keith Richards will be the last surviving member of the Rolling Stones.

Yesterday this post had me thinking happy thoughts from the days of my youth watching “The Monkees” on TV. This morning this post has me thinking more melancholy thoughts about last survivors. The last surviving World War I veteran died just ten years ago, not all that far from where I live now. There are still tens of thousands of World War II veterans still alive today, though both my father (Silver Star in Italy) and my wife’s father passed away years ago. It’ll be a while before there’s a last surviving Vietnam veteran. I was shocked to see that over 9 million of us served during that war, but less shocked that about 2.7 million served “in country.”

tim in vermont said...

Sorry, but if you have to match 4 to 4, I stand by my choices, even if I have to use a hammer to get some of the pegs in their holes.

Regarding your bête noir thing with George, I did look at the lyrics to Layla, and maybe you are right about Patti and Eric.

I tried to give you consolation
When your old man had let you down.
Like a fool, I fell in love with you,
Turned my whole world upside down.


I am not ready to exclude George from The Beatles pantheon though.

tim in vermont said...

When "The Banana Splits" came on, it was time to grab your baseball glove, or your hockey skates, or whatever, and get out of the house!

Critter said...

Althouse: Does love mean idolize in your book?

Idolize: To regard with great or uncritical admiration or devotion.

Love: a strong feeling of affection and concern toward a person.

I was reacting to your uncritical remarks about “thoroughly loving” the Monkees. Not much room for critical in thoroughly. It’s OK to be a fan-girl. Don’t be ashamed of getting caught up in your emotional reaction to the Monkees, especially when you were a girl. I was just curious if you had any insights into why.

Roger Sweeny said...

My mother watched the show with us once and after the line in the theme song, "We're the young generation and we've got something to say", asked, "What do they have to say?" I was stumped.

One of the formative moments of my life.

itzik basman said...

I@Ann Althouse: I don’t know who’s overdoing the fake/real distinction. I just noted the common criticism made of the Monkees. But to say the real Beatles were what they were in Germany is to employ the same distinction. Apart from being biographically interesting, its a pretty useless distinction actually since it need bear no relation to the quality of the music. That stands alone, or doesn’t, regardless of how a group comes together. For me, the Beatles transcended pop, though pop is fine. The Monkees never did, pleasant as their music is.

Jay Vogt said...

RIP to a talented guy. "Different Drum" was a classic song of its era.

Strangely based on Peter Tork's passing a few years ago, I somehow got directed to the Monkee's Christmas album recored in 2018 of all times. It was an okay album, that I did play around that one Christmas - but I probably won't continue. That said, it did include some really, really great musicians as part of the recordings: like Adam Schlesinger, Peter Buck and David Mead. . . . . . those guys wouldn't sign up for something trashy.

madAsHell said...

When "The Banana Splits" came on, it was time to grab your baseball glove, or your hockey skates, or whatever, and get out of the house!

The Monkees, the Banana Splits.........evening programming vs. Saturday morning.

I've never considered that comparison before!! It's no wonder The Monkees stopped the Hart&Boyce recordings, and made HEADQUARTERS.

PM said...

Wendybar said: "Loved The Monkees. His Mom invented White Out for typing errors. RIP Mike."

Nice sentiment.
As I recall, the first White-Out was quite sniffable. Quite. Then, like everything nice, it got changed.

Tom Grey said...

I was thinking about how the "Banana Splits" (La La La; La La-la La; La La La; La La-la La) filled in the fun vacuum after the Monkees, with a cartoon quality semi-live of 4 live crazies.
(I remember reading how the UN thought their 6 wheel fun dune buggy would (should? could?), and did, become the winner of their search for best vehicle for development. Ha! I thought - and in fact, converted lawnmower type mower engines sold a LOT more vehicles in poor countries.)

Now I'm at min 45 of the 84 min (extended!) Monkees documentary, where Mickey describes them wresting control of their music away from the pros ... and their sales nosedived. (Only time Don Kirshner ever got fired). Sales down - they didn't care, 'cause they were doing what they wanted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6clYpKVk4g

Now I'm thinking of the '60s as the "search for meaning", other than conehead "consume mass quantities". For those who reject religion, this search is destined to fail, including the failure of "Woke" and politics to fill that --God shaped hole in everybody's heart--

** for Brylinski - more GREAT songs are a) Zilch (Mr. Dabolina -- new rap covers) and
b) Randy Scouse Git "She's a wonderful lady and she's mine, all mine..."

Davey says John says " -The Monkees are nothing like the Beatles. They're more like the Marx Bros.- Which is right, we were" [53]

After Sondheim dies, without tunes, and the release of Get Back with VERY tuneful musical geniuses Beatles, and the fun (but not musical) geniuses Monkees, I'm going thru this interview and other songs.

Good time and reason for memories.

mikee said...

PM, White Out was good. Original Vicks 44 cough syrup, 60 proof, was better. The past is a different world than that in which we live, and in many ways unbelievable.

guitar joe said...

I really liked the Monkees. When the Beatles debuted on Ed Sullivan, I was 7 they were something my friends' older sisters went nuts over. I wasn 9 when the Monkees showed up on TV, and wasn't aware that a lot of the show's anarchy and humor came from A Hard Days Night, but I loved it. And I loved the music. I was disappointed to find out later that they hadn't played on the first two albums, but they did play on the ones after that, and many of the songs really hold up. Plus, it's the singing--by Dolenz, Jones, and Nesmith--that made the records distinctive. Nesmith's later stuff was also quite good and innovative. Check out Gilbert Godfried's very entertaining interview from a few months back for some insight into music and how myths are created.