Said Madonna, in a V Magazine interview. She was asked about a quote of hers: "Artists are here to disturb the peace."
ADDED: That makes me want to embed my personal favorite Madonna song/video:
November 2, 2021
"There’s no debate, there’s no discussion. That’s something I want to disturb. I want to disturb the fact that we’re not encouraged to discuss it."
"I believe that [the artist's] job is to disturb the status quo. The censoring that’s going on in the world right now, that’s pretty frightening. No one’s allowed to speak their mind right now. No one’s allowed to say what they really think about things for fear of being canceled, cancel culture. In cancel culture, disturbing the peace is probably an act of treason.... The thing is the quieter you get, the more fearful you get, the more dangerous anything is. We’re giving it power by shutting the fuck up completely.... Ever since I stuck my finger in the cigarette lighter in the car, I kept pushing it and playing with it. Every kid does it and your parents tell you, 'don’t touch it, you’re going to burn your finger.' All you have to do is tell me that, and I need to touch it."
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The fascists are losing a lot of popular figures.
Nobody wants to be on the wrong side of the preference cascade.
The supporters of president poopy pants are going to be long time Trump supporters in 10 years.
You can speak your mind without doing art.
Ever since I stuck my finger in the cigarette lighter in the car, I kept pushing it and playing with it.
For Madonna, I'm assuming that's a metaphor.
Madonna is jumping on the bandwagon again. Whatever it takes for her to stay in front of cameras. Not that long ago, she was a pussyhat wearing BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE RADICAL, and now she is afraid she is going to get cancelled before anybody really sees the big giant Kardashian ass she has now....She is a loser, and I feel bad for the kids she has. How embarrassing.
Laudable sentiments.
I wonder if Madonna's awakening includes regret for her part in bringing the current state of affairs into being?
Madonna can eat dooky. Hypocrite
Imagine if the Oath Keepers expressed, in a public forum with an open mic - that they fantasized about blowing up the White House because their team didn't win.
Imagine.
Dear Madonna.....retirement (and the rest home) beckons.
Also really glad I don't have a favorite Madonna song.
Madonna leading the discussion!
Laudable sentiments.
However, Madonna has never been canceled. No one has shut her up, or more to the point, no one has succeeded in shutting her up. The lickspittle press hangs on her every jejune, self-promoting word. This leads me to conclude her press agents have smelled a whiff of revolutionary grapeshot in the air.
There's one thing always true of the ever-changing Madonna -- she always gets in front of the longest line.
How many people were cancelled because they disagreed with the Transgenders in womens bathrooms and locker rooms...especially in high school??? Looks like THEY were right all along. Progressivism is Regressive. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10156749/Mother-skirt-wearing-teen-raped-female-classmate-says-identifies-male.html
Actually Readering, she is following the discussion, because Bill Maher came out a week ago saying this, and Russell Brand has been saying these things longer. She just wants to stay relevant, because she is outdated.
On our Right-Wing Squatter's Discord, I sometimes do a "Should Have Been a Bigger Hit" feature in the Music Channel. I have this song by Madonna on a mental list for that feature. I also like it a lot.
Personally, I'll take Miss Peggy Lee's "Fever!"
"I'm smaht!! Not like everybody says!"
When did cancel culture not exist? The real problem is that the formerly cancelled demographic is now doing the cancellation.
Art while wonderful is nevertheless overrated. In the end, it's entertainment. Not that there's anything wrong with entertainment but let's not overstate it. As for Madonna, we all have our best sale by date and she's past it.
Madonna is like a cultural weather vane. She's not a leader or trailblazer, but she has a multi-decade instinct as an early adopter of prevailing zeitgeist. Not only that, but she is extremely skilled at capitalizing on changes to get herself back into the spotlight. After a long time not being in the public eye, it's interesting she's making this statement now. Chappelle, I think, broke ground that others are going to start exploiting. Maybe this means we're finally past the Kirk Cameron level of message-drenched media that has afflicted every art form for the last few years.
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I think it's a little sad that today's young people didn't have a Madonna equivalent.
Ever since I stuck my finger in the cigarette lighter in the car, I kept pushing it and playing with it.
"[Y]ou can touch both terminals of a car battery without receiving a shock, although you may feel a tingle if your hands are wet."
@wendybar:
Madonna is jumping on the bandwagon again. Whatever it takes for her to stay in front of cameras.
Madonna has been expressing this attitude in one form or another since at least the mid-1980s. Efforts to get shows cancelled, albums pulled from the shelves, videos yanked from rotation, and endorsement deals cancelled (i.e. cancel culture) were a perennial feature of her career.
She is a loser, and I feel bad for the kids she has. How embarrassing.
Why does something so trivial and inconsequential cause such sneering paroxysm? Cancel culture is fueled by people's infantile inability to be exposed to things they disagree with without becoming apoplectic.
"I believe that [the artist's] job is to disturb the status quo."
Sure, if you can't do anything else. Last refuge of the hack, rebel without a cause, etc.
Young Madonna was never very pretty, but she was sexy, in a way. Old Madonna...
"Artists are here to disturb the peace."
I agree. However, it seems most artists only observe this when their own values are threatened.
Kathy Griffin isn't about to parade around with Biden's severed head.
"Art while wonderful is nevertheless overrated."
Art is maybe the most powerful political force on the planet, which is why the left wants to control it so badly.
I watched Rocky Horror Picture Show on Prime, and you know what? That movie is almost conservative today. All of those people enjoying sex with each other in whatever combinations without cutting up their bodies. It reads as "wholesome" now.
When did cancel culture not exist? The real problem is that the formerly cancelled demographic is now doing the cancellation.
Thank you for this example of projection and critical theory.
Is it just me or does anyone else remember when Madonna was offering BJ’s to anyone who voted for Hillary and not Trump? That goes to show how bad men hated Hilary.
When did cancel culture not exist?
History started 15 minutes ago, eh Howard?
J Farmer said"
"Why does something so trivial and inconsequential cause such sneering paroxysm? Cancel culture is fueled by people's infantile inability to be exposed to things they disagree with without becoming apoplectic."
Who said I was for Cancelling her? I'm just glad I'm not HER kid. She is an embarrassment. But then, there are a lot of progressive performers I would say the same about. Poor kids.
Years ago, when Hubby and I went to Amsterdam Holland, there was an old lady with long white hair and bright red lipstick in a negligee smoking a cigerette outside one of the windows of the Red Light District. We felt bad for her, but amused. THAT is what Madonna reminds me of today. Pathetic is a good word for her.
So I clicked on the "Favorite Madonna video" and got a trailer for a film called "Asphalt Jungle."
I'm pretty sure Madonna is not in that.
Oh, wait: now it 's back. "Human Nature" by Madonna. Never heard it before.
Kevin said...
"Artists are here to disturb the peace."
I agree. However, it seems most artists only observe this when their own values are threatened.
Kathy Griffin isn't about to parade around with Biden's severed head.
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to really distrub the peace - she should parade with filled daiper
The tonality of this Madonna song makes me think of Portishead. All Portishead sorta sounds the same-ish to me.
Anywho, that makes me think of the my favorite Portishead song. A song that is good on it’s own, and it’s even better because it plays at the end of a great movie “When the Cat’s Away.” IMHO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACkbPXu_UA
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/when_the_cats_away_1996
As long as this rode hard/played-out sexuagenarian roams the world, there’s no sanctuary for trailer hitches to be found.
Nice pick, Althouse. I had forgotten about that song, as it's never played on the radio. That video really holds up in terms of its transgressiveness.
In this video/song, Madonna is essentially saying "sorry, not sorry" -- years before that became a thing. I love it!
Another attention whore sailing away.
I have never much cared for Madonna. In the cultural melee of the 80's, I often thought that I would much rather that Cindy Lauper had been the megastar instead of her - or, even better, that it had been the sadly obscure but superb Marti Jones instead of Madonna, whose cultural influence I find malign.
I think that if you went through her whole career and cherry-picked carefully, you could come up with one CD's worth of good songs - maybe two CDs, if you're feeling charitable.
I am genuinely impressed with Madonna in one way. She surely must, in her own way, be a brilliant businesswoman and reader of the zeitgeist. Somehow, she managed to parlay her modest talents as a singer and dancer into a long term superstardom in her original role as America's Class Slut. (She now appears to me to be America's Used Up Slattern.)
Having said that, I would be grateful if Ms. Althouse would consider explaining why "Human Nature" is her favorite Madonna video. I am puzzled.
@wendybar:
Who said I was for Cancelling her?
Certainly not I. What I objected to was the charge of bandwagon jumping. She was making this point in response to efforts to cancel her 35 years ago.
@Quaestor:
History started 15 minutes ago, eh Howard?
Do you have an answer to the question beyond derision? When was this period in US history that what we now call "cancel culture" did not exist?
wendybar said...
Madonna is jumping on the bandwagon again. Whatever it takes for her to stay in front of cameras. Not that long ago, she was a pussyhat wearing BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE RADICAL, and now she is afraid she is going to get cancelled before anybody really sees the big giant Kardashian ass she has now....She is a loser, and I feel bad for the kids she has. How embarrassing.
The problem is people using the government to get their own way.
You conservatives were used to using the government to get your way. You always mocked the libertarians while you marched happily on and on using the government to push morality theater.
Unfortunately you people will never learn. The pendulum will swing back and "conservatives" will demand the government punish their enemies.
The marxists need to be destroyed, not punished. In order to do that they must be discredited as well as demoralized and defeated.
All you fools are going to do is pull the pendulum back for another swing with talk like this. Madonna is not your enemy here. She never was.
Stop being fools and understand what is really important.
@Sprezzatura:
The tonality of this Madonna song makes me think of Portishead. All Portishead sorta sounds the same-ish to me.
Anywho, that makes me think of the my favorite Portishead song. A song that is good on it’s own, and it’s even better because it plays at the end of a great movie “When the Cat’s Away.” IMHO.
Portishead's debut album, Dummy, was one of my favorites as a teenager. They crossed the gothic rock of Siouxsie & the Banshees with house music and hip-hop. Incidentally, this album was released the same year as the Madonna album Bedtime Stories. One of the producers, Nellee Hooper, is from Bristol and helped pioneer this sound with what would later become the group Massive Attack. He also produced the debut albums for Soul II Soul, Sinead O'Connor, and Bjork.
Mrs. Bear, your 6:49 comment - wonderful. I am genuinely impressed with Madonna in one way. She surely must, in her own way, be a brilliant businesswoman and reader of the zeitgeist. Somehow, she managed to parlay her modest talents as a singer and dancer into a long term superstardom in her original role as America's Class Slut. (She now appears to me to be America's Used Up Slattern.)
My very thoughts, over all these years.
Celebrities are often not all that bright. But they may be acutely conscious of their own milieu, a language I (and most of us) don't speak - so really, they might be very bright indeed there. And some are in the vanguard, and some are in the middle but louder than the rest. I'd put Madonna in there. I think she takes her work seriously - considers it art, though YMMV - and is proud of her record of pushing against the Establishment. I also think maybe she's been a bit taken by surprise by how her side has turned into the Establishment, even though it's been literal decades coming.
Interestingly enough, "there is no rational debate" was what the chairperson of the Loudoun County School Board said to Chuck Todd about CRT.
#Resist Madonna.
J. Farmer said...
@Quaestor:
History started 15 minutes ago, eh Howard?
Do you have an answer to the question beyond derision? When was this period in US history that what we now call "cancel culture" did not exist?
I don't think it will ever sink in.
"Conservatives" are just mad the cancel wars swung the other way and they are itching to be the cancelers again.
Honest Self awareness is very very rare.
Laurence Sterne wrote of the epochs of a woman's life in his "A Sentimental Journey." Madonna has reached the final stage he describes, where religion (here, politics as belief system) has become the final refuge of the elderly female. NTTAWWT!
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