Said Calvin Lapp, an Amish man, interviewed by Sharyl Attkisson, quoted in "How Amish Communities Became The First To Achieve Covid 'Herd Immunity' Without Higher Death Rate, Shutdown, Masks, Or Vaccines" (RCP).
October 11, 2021
"There’s three things the Amish don't like. And that's government— they won't get involved in the government..."
"... they don't like the public education system— they won't send their children to education — and they also don't like the health system — they rip us off. Those are three things that we feel like we're fighting against all the time. Well, those three things are all part of what Covid is.... When [the Amish] take communion, they dump their wine into a cup and they take turns to drink out of that cup.... The first time they went back to church, everybody got coronavirus.... It’s a worse thing to quit working than dying. Working is more important than dying. But to shut down and say that we can't go to church, we can't get together with family, we can't see our old people in the hospital, we got to quit working? It's going completely against everything that we believe. You're changing our culture completely to try to act like they wanted us to act the last year, and we're not going to do it.... Oh, we're glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines. That's great... good for you... Us? No, we're not getting vaccines.... We all got the Covid, so... all the Amish know we got herd immunity. Of course we got herd immunity!... We think we’re smarter than everybody. We shouldn’t be bragging, but we think we did the right thing."
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We think we’re smarter than everybody. We shouldn’t be bragging, but we think we did the right thing."
I think they did the right thing...
To which I say...Good! Good for them. Like an old-fashioned chicken pox party.
Like everyone else, they're lucky that WuFlu isn't very dangerous except to old people, and that the shutdowns and such were a mistake everywhere.
"Our results indicate the Amish/Mennonite excess death rates are similar to the national trends in the USA. The excess death rate for Amish/Mennonites spiked with a 125% increase in November 2020."
NPR says "The Amish communities ... have experienced some of the state's highest rates of infection and deaths", but you can't trust NPR.
Everybody having covid is individual immunity, not herd immunity.
Herd immunity is enough immune individuals so that an introduced infection dies out rather than blowing up.
In a world where Covid was less contagious but far more lethal, the Amish would have been screwed. In the current world, the Amish look very smart.
If we continue as we have, everybody will eventually get Covid. Most people will survive it. The Amish got though this quickly, but we will eventually have the same death rate as them, but also endure years of having a hobbled economy.
If you can give Fauci(D-fraud) the finger - you're half way up the ladder.
"Nolt: Even those who believed that they had Covid tended not to get tested. Their approach tended to be, “I'm sick. I know I'm sick. I don't have to have someone else telling me I'm sick.” "
The Amish may be the only people left in America with any sense. The rest of the country has turned into hypochondriacs worried that they are sick even though they don't have any symptoms, or that the healthy people around them are going to get them infected.
But the experts will all agree we should do all the things that didn't work in 2020.
And the solution to global climate change is to give power to the globalists.
And we need to pay more taxes to the globalists to save the economy.
And if we say the wrong things the globalists demand that we censor disinformation.
Face it.
I was right about COVID and you lockdown supporters and mask wearers were all wrong.
Wrong.
Will Meade ever forgive us?
Dude, just change the sign in front of your Churches to "Mosque" and you don't ever have to worry about answering to anyone ever again.
Basically the Amish behaved the way people have behaved for centuries. It was the rest of us they went hysterical and lost our shit.
I think that the US government should just remove all the mandates for the vaccine, no more lockdowns, protect the most vulnerable and just get back to normal living. Like the Amish, I think we'd get through this faster.
The left won't let that happen. It's now about power with them. You'll do what we tell you or else. They are determined to show their power. They will not compromise on this.
The Amish are entirely right about this with one significant exception: Amish lead a healthy lifestyle, get exercise through their lifestyle (not the gym) and eat a good diet. So few Amish would have obesity as a comorbidity.
America missed the opportunity to deal with COVID in an intelligent way when it adopted a one size fits all approach. We should have started with a risk-adjusted approach that emphasized therapeutics as much as the shot. But, politics mixed with science and politics won.
Good for them.
I'm also thinking that because they are very involved with farming (organic food) and manual labor in general, there is a very low rate of obesity in their community.
Covid won't do much damage against healthy, slim people...
"Oh, we're glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines."
Whut?
If your herd is 100% Amish then you do have herd immunity once 2/3 have had it. We used to actually know a lot about epidemiology until science sold out to Fauciism.
I am going to agree with the Amish on all 3 things in their list.
English = all others
"Oh, we're glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines."
Whut?
I believe that is how the Amish refer to non-Amish Americans. And yes, they are a small island of sanity in a sea of hysteria.
"all the English people"
'Whut?' asks Rabel.
"English" is the term the Amish use for us. In case that was the question.
Has it not been true all along that there was no going around or under or over the CCP Crud? Only going through it, sooner or later, faster or slower?
I lived amongst the Amish. Used to feed their pigs*. They may not have known what my guitar was -- literally had to ask -- but they sure got this right.
*You can tell a farm is Amish by the condition of its animals. A Puerto Rican diplomat told me this while we were out on a walk through Amish country with his daughter. He told me they take better care of their animals because their very lives depended on them.
Critter is right, if Americans were as healthy as the Amish, COVID would have killed far fewer people. Of course Amish people still died of it, as this University of West Virginia study shows.
New research from West Virginia University sociologists suggests this face-to-face interaction, coupled with a distrust in preventative medicine, led to “excess deaths” among the Amish population in 2020.
The death rate for that year soared above the baseline average from 2015 to 2019, with the largest spike – 125% - occurring in November.
Researchers, led by Rachel Stein, associate professor of sociology, analyzed obituary information published in an Amish/Mennonite newspaper to examine excess death among this segment of the population in 2020. Their results are published in the Journal of Religion and Health.
https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/stories/2021/06/22/death-and-religion-excess-deaths-sweep-through-amish-and-mennonite-communities-during-covid-19-pandemic
Read the whole thing, it's interesting.
Past research on coronaviruses, done prior to when the pandemic was even a gleam in Fauci's eye, shows that herd immunity will likely never be perfect, with or without a vaccine, that people will get booster infections until they go long enough without one of these natural infections that their natural immunity fades and they get another full blown case, or they can get periodic boosters. I choose the latter course. Just as I know that there is a tiny risk that I could be killed every time I get in my car, or walk across the street, I know that there is a tiny risk from the shot, but I would rather live how I choose and avoid the higher risk of COVID at my age, just when I am starting to enjoy my retirement. YMMV.
"English" is the term the Amish use for us.
Really? I did not know that.
Well, I'm one quarter Frog so fuck the Amish and the buggy they rode in on, the disrespectful, backwards bastards.
Skippy,
What the hell is a "Puerto Rican diplomat"? I call bullshit.
Since Puerto Rico is basically the same as any other US state, we have no diplomats that I've ever heard of. Name the "diplomat", or at least their title or apologize for othering us.
John Henry
Shorter Amish: Leave us alone.
Blogger tim in vermont said...
New research from West Virginia University sociologists suggests this face-to-face interaction, coupled with a distrust in preventative medicine, led to “excess deaths” among the Amish population in 2020.
The death rate for that year soared above the baseline average from 2015 to 2019, with the largest spike – 125% - occurring in November.
There's a problem with that:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/pennsylvania/
PA's spike was in December, not November. Covid went blowing through the Amish population in April and May, not November:
Sharyl: So, are you saying, as of about May of 2020, things kind of went back to normal in the Amish community?
Steve Nolt: For the most part, yeah, by the middle of May, it's sort of like back to a typical behavior again.
From blather about the "Study":
Researchers, led by Rachel Stein, associate professor of sociology, analyzed obituary information published in an Amish/Mennonite newspaper to examine excess death among this segment of the population in 2020. Their results are published in the Journal of Religion and Health.
1: It's sociology, not anything remotely scientific. Even if she had teh best good faith in the world, it's not possible she could have put together a valid study.
2: She didn't collect any demographic data. Didn't compare population age groups. Didn't compile and compare causes of death
3: She collected data nationwide, but only used data from Ohio. Why? She never says. Is the data perfectly representative? She never says.
Tim, once again, you're being a credulous fool.
The last time you gave me a link to a study, on the question of "do masks protect from Covid", your study was from being, and found they only helped if you wore them in the home. because then if a family member caught Covid, you were less likely to catch it from him / her.
This one's even worse. its from political motivated quack pseudo-scientists (5 author on the paper, all from teh same sociology dept) who couldn't do a valid study if they wanted to. But, in this case, it's clear they didn't.
Reading between the lines, I think what worked for the Amish is not worrying about needing to use health care services or about dying. That was our problem, that the hospitals would be overwhelmed — they don’t care about that — and that some of us would die — and I presume they trust God and feel destined for Heaven.
What the Amish do has nothing to do with me. They don't bother me, and I have no reason to bother them. There is no reason for me to care.
Dunno why anyone else does.
There is an interesting documentary on Prime called "The Amish and the Reformation" which is about an Amish guy who is trying to get them to allow the reading of the Bible in English, which is kind of ironic that he is opposed, since the whole movement came about because the founders of the sect wanted the Bible to be read in a language that the people understood, which at that time was German. Then somehow the letter of their laws crushed the spirit of their laws. As an outsider, it's hard not to cheer for the reformer, but in the end, it's none of my business, I guess.
The Amish can put up a barn before Covid can put its boots on.
Those three things are all really fucked up right now! These guys are onto something.
The government is not here for you... it is here to get itself re-elected.. by any means. Hence they try to make Moms terrorist so they can take over all education. They try to make protesters terrorist to take over speech. They try to get big internet companies to suppress speech so what they do is not known. They use the COVID to make their own laws to force people to obey. They use welfare to form a class of subservient people. They open the borders to bring in new 'slaves'. And you must obey.
Obeying is not the means.. it is the objective.
And the Amish don't want 'government'.. maybe we should to..
rastajenk said...
"The Amish can put up a barn before Covid can put its boots on."
The Amish can put up a barn before most of us can put together a team to think about the possibility of asking someone to form a committee to consider the possibility of putting together a task force to hire a consultant to help us discuss the idea of pondering the notion of looking for the department that can tell us where to find the environmental review application...
But, politics mixed with science and politics won.
Yes. The first mistake was allowing doctors to make policy. Elected officials should have listened to the doctors, taken into account what they had to say, then crafted a strategy to minimize the damage. It never made sense to lock everybody down. Once the lockdown is over you're back to square one. Protect the vulnerable the best way you can and the rest of us can get on with our lives just as we do with influenza and the common cold.
The Amish are defying the social model. President Biden should ship a few planloadde of Haitians to their communities to civilize them and teach them a little diversity!
Another aspect of what the amish did that was pretty smart, by getting Covid through sharing a cup like that they had very limited viral load, so most of the people probably did not have very severe cases as a result but still gained natural immunity thereafter.
A community that has constant low-level exposure to any virus that enters the community will have a much healthier immune system across the board.
I suspect that there is very low obesity amongst the Amish and all the other attendant Covid risks. So what was their mortality rate? Low, I predict.
The Amish reminding everyone, there are worse things than death. The crushing of ones soul for example.
"John henry said...
Skippy,
What the hell is a "Puerto Rican diplomat"? I call bullshit."
I responded to this. Where did it go?
So, tim in vermont,
I take it you now agree that "study" is garbage?
I like the comment about Biden shipping a bunch of Haitians to the Amish to "teach them a lesson!"
In fact, shipping the Haitians to the Amish would probably do a world of good. The Amish are the most kind people in America, from all accounts. They have a strong culture and won't be overwhelmed. Plus, they would have a lifestyle that the desperately poor, third world Haitians might somewhat relate to.
Hopefully the work ethic and skill set of the Amish would transfer over to the Haitians. Really, that is their fundamental problem: lack of drive/sense of community.
The Amish could be sent to Hell and make it a paradise. Surely they can take some Haitians and make them successful.
Critter said...
The Amish are entirely right about this with one significant exception: Amish lead a healthy lifestyle, get exercise through their lifestyle (not the gym) and eat a good diet. So few Amish would have obesity as a comorbidity.
Lot's of Amish and Mennonites in my area. Not much obesity among the young and the men in either group. Among the older women? Very common.
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