March 17, 2021

"How Do Big Media Outlets So Often 'Independently Confirm' Each Other's Falsehoods?"

Glenn Greenwald asks (at Substack).

When a news outlet such as NBC News claims to have “independently corroborated” a report from another corporate outlet, they often do not mean that they searched for and acquired corroborating evidence for it. What they mean is much more tawdry: they called, or were called by, the same anonymous sources that fed CNN the false story in the first place, and were fed the same false story....

We just saw proof of that... with a major Washington Post “correction” — which should be called a retraction — of one of the most-discussed news stories of the last six months: the Post’s claims about what Trump said when he called a Georgia election official while he was still contesting the 2020 election results.

On January 9, The Washington Post published a story reporting that an anonymous source claimed that on December 23, Trump spoke by phone with Frances Watson, the chief investigator of the Georgia Secretary of State’s office, and directed her that she must “find the fraud” and promised her she would be “a national hero” if she did so. The paper insisted that those were actual quotes of what Trump said.

This time, it was CNN purporting to independently confirm the Post’s reporting, affirming that Trump said these words “according to a source with knowledge of the call.” But late last week, The Wall Street Journal obtained a recording of that call, and those quotes attributed to Trump do not appear.

As a result, The Washington Post — two months after its original story that predictably spread like wildfire throughout the entire media ecosystem — has appended a correction at the top of its original story.

Politico’s Alex Thompson correctly pronounced these errors “real bad” because of how widely they spread and were endorsed by other major media outlets. This is a different species of journalistic malpractice than mere journalistic falsehoods....

[T]he U.S. public was inundated for weeks with an utterly false yet horrifying story — that a barbaric pro-Trump mob had savagely murdered Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick by bashing his skull in with a fire extinguisher. That false tale about the only person said to have been killed at the January 6 riot other than pro-Trump supporters emanated from a New York Times report based on the claims of “two anonymous law enforcement officials.”

As it turns out, Sicknick’s autopsy revealed that he suffered no blunt trauma, and two men arrested this week were charged not with murder but assault and conspiracy to injure an officer: for using an unidentified gas. In reporting those arrests, even The New York Times acknowledged that “prosecutors stopped short of linking the attack to Officer Sicknick’s death the next day” because “both officers and rioters deployed spray, mace and other irritants during the attack” and “it remains unclear whether Officer Sicknick died because of his exposure to the spray.”

Many liberals defenders of these corporate media outlets insist that these major factual errors do not matter because the basic narrative — Trump and his supporters at the Capitol are bad people who did bad things — is still true....

It's the old "fake but accurate" defense.

[T]here is, manifestly, a fundamental difference in both intent and morality between deliberately murdering someone by repeatedly bashing their skull in with a fire extinguisher and using a non-lethal crowd-control spray frequently used at protests even if it is ultimately proven that the spray is what caused Officer Sicknick’s death (which is why those two acts would carry vastly different punishments under the law)....

That audience does not care if these media outlets publish false stories as long as it is done for the Greater Good of harming their political enemies, and this ethos has contaminated newsrooms as well....

179 comments:

Leland said...

To be fair to news organizations, it is likely less collusion than the same laziness that causes them to report corporate press releases like news. Either way, the information is often useless propaganda and should be treated as such.

Josephbleau said...

The great democrat Harry Reid started all this, he said that sure, I lied about Romney, but it worked didn’t it? These people are moral cretins, the press lies in your face and then calls you a liar.

R C Belaire said...

Another egregious example of the blinding effect of Trump hatred. "We have what we want -- run with it!!"

chickelit said...

How did it happen? The real question is why doesn't it happen all the time as it appears to be happening now.

When I'm lazy, I like to think that journalists themselves got lazy and just longed for sleepy days when they could metaphorically fell ate the Obama Administration. But in the case of Trump, there was spite and malice at play. Where did that come from? I assume it came from somewhere near the top. Let's not forget that Hillary and the whole entire media complex had great expectations of cozy and special relationship with her election were jilted by this upstart named Donald Trump. Donald Trump was also a a personal jab at far too many females -- my own now estranged wife implored me to shun and denounce Trump. So Trump reached into very private matters in the American social fabric. Plenty of blame to go around.

rehajm said...

...Thank you for that....and now Gell-Mann, we turn the page to covid news where experts explain...

Kai Akker said...

To the shame of so many Americans, one political side knew all this all along.

To the shame of our society, not one fraudulent conspirator from Hillary to Podesta to Pelosi, to Brennan, Clapper and Comey, were ever charged or even sanctioned in any way for this destructive deception.

To the shame of our criminal justice system, no one ever solved Seth Rich's murder.

michaele said...

I remember reading, within a week of Jan 6th, on a conservative leaning website that officer Sicknick had a conversation with his brother later in the evening after he had gotten off duty from the Capitol Hill event. I was puzzled about how that didn't jibe with the major news sources reporting that he had been hit on the head with a fire extinguisher and that it what killed him. How did the lowly website have more accurate reporting than the big time guys? It's hard not to be cynical about the big newspapers and networks.

rehajm said...

...now do 'claimed without evidence'...

Robert Marshall said...

When the mainstream media explicitly abandoned objectivity in the face of Trump's political rise, they made it clear they would lie as necessary to stop the people from making their own choice. They've destroyed their own credibility by doing just that. They are worse than useless.

Makes me wonder what they have planned for the few decent folk, like Glenn Greenwald.

Quayle said...

They feed clickers with anything the clickers will eat. Has no relevance to truth or validity. Only getting clicks is what matters. Glenn is wrong in his contextual framework. He decries bad or shoddy or tainted journalism. I maintain that is it not journalism at all. It is click fishing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Whatever bait catches the fish will be deployed.

Leland said...

They had evidence; the same anonymous source. What ought be done here is to burn that anonymous source for the bad information. So the better question is why isn’t that happening? There, we might find something beyond laziness.

gilbar said...

Trump and his supporters at the Capitol are bad people who did bad things — is still true....

Orange man BAD!
Trump and his Deplorables NEED to be Destroyed....BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY
WHO Cares if the quotes were "true"? WHO Cares is there was fraud?
Change was Necessary!!!

Thanx to our compatriots in the media...HR-1 WILL SOON BE LAW!!!
THEN the Changes can Really Start!

LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER!!!

rehajm said...

It's propaganda disguised to look like journalism. It still fools people.

GatorNavy said...

For the people who work in the media, caveat emptor applies in all transactions. You may not believe that you are conducting a business transaction, but you are. The NYT, WAPO and CNN are the worst at this transaction of information and they will only get worse as like so many other “elites”, they are fools.

tim in vermont said...

The commenters who came here and pushed the Washington Post’s lie about Trump and GA don’t give a flying fuck about what is true or false in any objective sense. Stuff is true if it helps them win, full stop.

tim in vermont said...

"For the people who read the media, caveat lector applies in all transactions.”

Fixed it for you. They are willing dupes, so they don’t worry about whether they are being lied to or not, they see their job as getting the lie of the day correct.

chickelit said...

Josephbleau said...The great democrat Harry Reid started all this, he said that sure, I lied about Romney, but it worked didn’t it? These people are moral cretins, the press lies in your face and then calls you a liar.

Harry Reid was like the fictional Don Draper--literally raised in a whorehouse but upon taking on a false identity he became "respectable" until he wasn't. But all along he had the morals and scruples of his humble origins as he sold lies and propaganda.

Temujin said...

Years ago I noticed that the news organizations all jumped on the same story using literally the same phrasing/wording in that story. I thought at the time it was as though they all did their reporting by standing next to the fax machine in the news office waiting for a fax from the DNC to see what they're supposed to say about a particular event.

As it turns out, that's what was happening. A few years later it was done via emails and texts. Then JournOlist made it a club. Now- it's taught in J school that to be a Journalist! you must be an activist. And if you want an 'A' in your class, you must be a progressive activist.

And now they are through and through the entire industry. Trump was right. The new organizations are the enemy of this nation.

tim in vermont said...

Nobody in the media ever wonders how Harry Reid got so rich on a government salary that would barely allow a person to scrape by in DC.

Valentine Smith said...

Laziness my ass. It's pure intent to kill Trump no matter what. They know when they publish that it's a bald-faced lie.

tim in vermont said...

"A few years later it was done via emails and texts.”

Faxes are probably the most secure way to do it. You can’t copy a fax with a cut an paste, intercepting them is a little bit of a challenge, and they can probably be encrypted end to end in any event. Burn after reading.

Matt Sablan said...

This is why you burn sources that lie to you.

Because too many people lie to the media and get away with having their hit jobs published.

BarrySanders20 said...

When the anonymous source is Adam Shiff they prefer to keep the name hidden because anonymous provides a more believable story than it would be if they named who it was. The Ds stroke the media and the media strokes the Ds. Then the ads use the lies they leaked to impeach and influence elections and gain power.

Matt Sablan said...

"To be fair to news organizations, it is likely less collusion than the same laziness that causes them to report corporate press releases like news."

-- Except we know that the Journolist existed. I'm usually a benefit of the doubt sort -- but not on this.

rehajm said...

BTW, shorty after Trump was elected they told us they were abandoning journalism. Trump is a special case, they said. Some people are still surprised...

chickelit said...

As an aside, I will defend commmenter comrade Inga's right to post here, but we must forget that she parroted, supported and defended each and every lie spouted by the media which Greenwald describes in this linked article. My point is not to humialte Inga or put her down, but rather to point out that the media lies have real and tangible impact at the "micro level" here. Our job is to push back at the micro level.

Butkus51 said...

My favorite is when all the "news" organizations use their "word of the day" across the board.

Churchy LaFemme: said...

How did it happen?

I question that as well -- from the other side. How in the world was Trump not recording every call by this point? Especially as he had already played the "ok, I'll release the transcript" card to good effect before. We should have had audio from the White House the day the media tried to run with this..

rehajm said...

Nobody in the media ever wonders how Harry Reid got so rich on a government salary that would barely allow a person to scrape by in DC.

Now do Joe Biden...

Birches said...

But the election wasn't stolen guys. That reporting is perfect.

Left Bank of the Charles said...

“Because, you know, we have that date of the 6th, which is a very important date” ...

DavidUW said...

Any story that relies on "anonymous sources" should be ignored.

EdwdLny said...

Because they are vile, hateful, evil cretins. They should all suffer consequences, painful consequences. Every single one of them.

narciso said...

Harry clean face reid, do tell.

Dust Bunny Queen said...

My parents worked in the printing industry all of their lives. They were actual printers, typesetters, Linotype and teletype operators, galley setting type by hand. It was a skilled trade.

If you read it in a major or regional newspaper in the 50s to the 80s...they probably printed it. From Chicago to New Orleans, to Los Angeles, San Francisco and small places in between (Tombstone Epitaph) THEY "Brought You the News".

They also knew many of the reporters and writers personally. Herb Caen for example.
The favorite joke around our house was

"They couldn't print it in the paper if it wasn't true">>>>HA HA HA HA.

Nothing new under the sun. Newspapers are lies. Journalists are liars.

rehajm said...

By Summer there will be hundreds of civil servants and other political hacks displaying sudden and questionable levels of wealth. Cover your Tesla shorts...

Mike Sylwester said...

The recording of the phone conversation was found in the trash file of a device that belonged to Frances Watson, the Chief Investigator for Georgia' Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

Watson played a key role in "water leak" justification for the late-night counting of votes in Atlanta, Georgia.

Republican poll-watchers were told in the evening of Election Day that vote-counting was suspended until the next morning. After the poll-watchers departed, the vote-counting continued for hours.

The Republican vote-counters learned that the vote-counting had resumed, so they returned after midnight and then complained the next morning.

Watson had to write an explanation to a US District Court. Watson explained that the Republican vote-counters complained on Election Day that they had been told to leave early because of a water leak.

In other words, Watson lied to the US District Court. In fact, the Republican vote-counters complained on the morning after Election Day that they had been told to go home until the next morning. The complaint had nothing to do with the (fictional) water leak.

This liar, Watson, was the person in Atlanta who was supposed to investigate voting fraud.

This liar, Watson, was the person who trashed the recording of Trump's phone conversation after a false account of the conversation had been leaked to The Washington Post.

For more information about Watson's role in the leaking-water incident, see my blog article How long did the imaginary burst waterpipe delay the ballot-counting?

narciso said...

This guy


https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1561650/posts

James K said...

Laziness my ass. It's pure intent to kill Trump no matter what.

Yes, plus the adulation of their peers. How many Pulitzers have gone to the NYT's and WaPo's fake news? Stories like Russian collusion that proved false (which honest people knew all along).

DavidUW said...

BTW.

Here's how the rest of the year will play out in the Congress.

1) D's threatening to blow up the filibuster.
2) D's demanding tax increases or they'll blow up the filibuster.
3) R's refusing to give in on the tax increases
4) D's trading a "delay" on the tax hikes in order to pass HR1 to guarantee fraud elections forever.
5) R's giving in on a trade of no tax hikes, in exchange for passing HR1 and (temporarily) keeping the filibuster, in order to try to convince their voters to re-elect them.
6) All R's getting voted out of office by the now permanently enshrined D fraud apparatus.
7) D's proceed to continue to gut the Constitution and let their commie flag fly.

rehajm said...

Maybe New York really will find that 1099 from the Kremlin in Trump's tax returns...

rehajm said...

You forgot 2 Trillion in 'infrastructure' spending passed through reconciliation, David...

DavidUW said...

You forgot 2 Trillion in 'infrastructure' spending passed through reconciliation, David...
>>

Yep. That too

rehajm said...

This liar, Watson, was the person in Atlanta who was supposed to investigate voting fraud.

What kind of car does he drive?

wendybar said...

If you never noticed before...they use EXACTLY the same terminology every single time, every single left wing station or paper. It's like they got the days talking points or something. If you haven't noticed, you've been indoctrinated. PERIOD.

James K said...

And DC, Puerto Rico statehood.

tim in vermont said...

The purpose of going through Trump’s taxes is to invent a crime, not to find one. Vance is doing exactly what they falsely accused Trump of trying to do in Georgia when the WaPo printed that baldfaced lie. It’s the whole “ignorance is strength” bit they pushed in the first impeachment when they claimed that asking about Biden’s open secret corruption was seeking bribery on Trump’s part.

January 6th was a very important date, BTW. It’s amazing that that is the best the Dem’s digital brownshirts can come up with today.

Jersey Fled said...

Hell, we don't even know who is running the country. It sure isn't anyone we elected. Joe hardly knows what day it is and Kamala is just there because she's sort of Black and a woman.

It's somebody. But who?

chickelit said...

Jersey Fled said...Hell, we don't even know who is running the country. It sure isn't anyone we elected. Joe hardly knows what day it is and Kamala is just there because she's sort of Black and a woman.

The O'Biden Administration is an experiment and an important one in that governments can be run by proxy--you just need smiling and reassuring faces of the right color and gender posing at the top and everyone can pretend to be happy lapping up stimulus whilst the real business is conducted out of sight.

I think this was all beta-tested in California, BTW.

rhhardin said...

The dam breaking was Limbaugh's "gravitas" montage long ago. The media revenue depends on everybody getting the same narrative, lest women be confused and tune away, and they can no longer sell eyeballs to advertisers.

CWJ said...

"This is why you burn sources that lie to you."

How do you burn someone you don't know? My understanding is that an anonymous source is someone with information, but whose identity is unknown to you. Think phone call out of the blue, or text from a burner phone. A confidential source is known to you, but whose identity you choose not to reveal.

My guess is that most "journalists" today don't know the difference, or care.

DavidUW said...

And DC, Puerto Rico statehood.
.>
I actually don't think that'll happen.
DC is unconstitutional ( i know, stop laughing)
PR is going to be held as a carrot to try to win FL and all the PR voters who moved there.

CWJ said...

Regarding fake but accurate - I bet Rather and Mapes would have easily survived their disgrace with careers intact if it happened today.

Darkisland said...

Blogger Dust Bunny Queen said...

Nothing new under the sun. Newspapers are lies. Journalists are liars.

It goes back a lot further than the 50s and 60s. Mark Twain who was a journalist in the 60s, 1860s that is, said if you don't read a newspaper you are uninformed. "If you do read one you are misinformed." I believe he said this 130-14 years ago.

One problem is that virtually all newspapers are published by a few organizations. So all Gannett newspapers, for example, speak as one even though they have different names.

Or are all owned by the same people. Warren Buffett, via Berkshire Hathaway, owns about 60 newspapers. Do you think any of those newspapers will ever be in favor of oil pipelines? Not while Buffett controls much of the railroad and railcar industry. I don't think anyone even needs to send the 60 editors talking points. They know what side their bread is buttered on. Many of them may even believe trains good, pipelines bad.

Or TV, ever wonder why you seldom see negative news about pharma products on the TV? If you have wondered about that, you may not have noticed that about 50% of all ads are for pharma products. Occasionally they will run a slightly negative story. Then you look and find the pharma company;s advertising contract is being negotiated. It's extortion "Nice business you've got there. Be a shame if negative stories started coming out. Maybe you could bump your ad budget a bit?"

There is a reason why we and New Zealand are the only countries that permit advertising of prescription products to the general public. We really need to stop that. (Not stop advertising and marketing to doctors etc, of course)

John Henry

narciso said...

What they cant back track email or phone numbers remember those two msnbc reporter who were in contact (ahem) with the same dia drone

Birches said...

Holy crap Read this. Yeah, the Georgia election probably was stolen.

narciso said...


See here

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/10/10/reporters-cnbc-nbc-news-become-tangled-leak-investigation/%3foutputType=amp

Matt Sablan said...

"My understanding is that an anonymous source is someone with information, but whose identity is unknown to you."

-- I think in this specific case, they know the source. Here's their argument: "The Post is withholding the name of the investigator, who did not respond to repeated requests for comment, because of the risk of threats and harassment directed at election officials." Bullshit. The investigator who misquoted Trump did so deliberately, with malice.

And in most cases, the reporter knows the anonymous source, the source just asks to be quoted only as anonymous or a "source with [some qualifier.]" Very, very rarely does a reporter really run with an anonymous source I think. They run with sources they trust, but don't want to undermine in their position to leak them things.

rehajm said...

Last I checked PR loves 'independence' and the economic status being a 'developing' nation implies. IOW keep sending the US dollars. Statehood would wreck the good thing they got going.

Besides, HR 1 and recent electoral fraud success reduces much of the need for additional electoral votes...

Amadeus 48 said...

They have now "burned" the source, although with her permission. It was an Assistant Secretary of State in Georgia named Jordan Fuchs who wasn't on the call, but felt free to give Trump "quotes" based on a report by Inspector Cluzot--er, Watson.

This from James Freeman at WSJ yesterday:

"To review, the Post ran with bogus quotations attributed to President Donald Trump supplied by one anonymous source who was not even on the call. Two months later, when a Journal report revealed the quotations to be false, the Post only revealed the identity of the anonymous bearer of false information after she granted her permission.

"How kind of the Post and how generous of Ms. Fuchs to finally let readers in on the full story. We live in an age of cancel culture, but it seems that people who fabricate negative stories about Mr. Trump can expect eternal media forgiveness."

Jeff Brokaw said...

I never believed the story in the first place. If you did, well ... wanna buy a bridge?

Matt Sablan said...

Oh. Well, this is what I get for not being up to date. I wonder what consequences Jordan Fuchs will face for leaking inaccurate information to the media in her government job.

Jeff Brokaw said...

The Boomers and the Greatest Generation were raised to trust authority figures and institutions of all kinds, and as a result they are blind to the level of deceit in the media, and in government, and the corporate world.

Fix your mind. The world you grew up in ... does not exist any more.

exhelodrvr1 said...

ANd now MI court has ruled that the MI Sec State broke the law with the absentee ballot rules she put into effect mid-election.

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

DavidUW said:

1) D's threatening to blow up the filibuster.
...
6) All R's getting voted out of office by the now permanently enshrined D fraud apparatus.
7) D's proceed to continue to gut the Constitution and let their commie flag fly.


8) Bullets replace ballots as the preferred method for changing government.

narciso said...

Hence the push to ban guns and make ammo more expensive.

Lurker21 said...

This is why you burn sources that lie to you.

That assumes that people care that what the sources said and what you published is a lie.

The little lies get corrections in the back of the paper; the big lies are never acknowledged.

Nowadays, the media hires the people who lie to it.

If you could win a Pulitzer for a story that wasn't true and get away with it, you'd have some gratitude toward those who told you what you wanted to hear, even if it wasn't true.

Iman said...

As an aside, I will defend commmenter comrade Inga's right to post here, but we must forget that she parroted, supported and defended each and every lie spouted by the media which Greenwald describes in this linked article.

Please excuse her inganorance...

Lurker21 said...

Hell, we don't even know who is running the country.

I guess it's Pelosi and Susan Rice. But there's still some anarchy at the top. When nobody is sure who's in charge, everybody tries to put their own agenda into effect.

Michael K said...

Jersey Fled said... [hush]​[hide comment]
Hell, we don't even know who is running the country. It sure isn't anyone we elected. Joe hardly knows what day it is and Kamala is just there because she's sort of Black and a woman.

It's somebody. But who?


Yes. This cannot be repeated often enough. "1984" was not an instruction manual.

iowan2 said...

The media is corrupt. ALL OF IT. (yes FOX).

Greenwald is a leftist, or maybe was? Andy McCarthy (not reporter, but still paid talking head) refused to believe the DoJ and FBI were corrupt, but has started to see the light. Some blogs (federalist) have been trying, but lack wide distribution. The ACELA corridor is a self sealing tire. Stops all leaks from escaping, now that they know how to cancel people. Cummo? he's getting cancelled. Not being held to account. They need to destroy him, so the coordinated procedure to reduce Medicaid/medicare obligations, by off-ing seniors dies a quite death
With the media being nothing but Democrat propagandists. Our institutions are corrupt. The FBI and DoJ are operating outside black letter law. No media is going to call the out.

FISA? Not a single whistle blower would call out the crime happening in plain site. The rot in the Department of Justice goes all the way down to street level grunts.

Rick said...

Leland said...
To be fair to news organizations, it is likely less collusion than the same laziness


If the problem were simple laziness the errors would not uniformly advance the left's agenda.

Separately I don't think "collusion" is the best summary of Greenwood's criticism. They may act the same way but it's not because they got together and worked out an agreement. The media makes the same mistakes because they have the same goals, not because of collusion.

Darkisland said...

This is the kind of thing that leads me to believe that President Emeritus Trump will be President Trump again by the end of the year.

Little by little the fraud is coming out. A GA judge just authorized (ordered?) an audit of ballot signatures in a key county or two. A Michigan judge has done similar. A New Hampshire county is investigating shenanigans with voting machines, Maricopa county is fighting over whether to audit ballots. Mike Lindell (My Pillow) just filed suit against Dominion, who is also suing him.

It is a drip, drip, drip that will become a trickle, then a stream then a deluge too big to hide.

Demmies will be embarassed into admitting the elections was a fraud, Kamala resigns, PEDJT becomes VP, Demmies already planted 25 in the public minds threatening to do it to PDJT. If PDJT was crazy enough to consider 25ing, how much more Biden?

So Biden resigns or is pushed and PEDJT is PDJT again and all is right with the world.

The press will try to cover this up, YouTube, Twitter, FB will try to stop people talking. But that will blow up in their faces. Plenty of alternatives exist. Bitchute, Rumble, Vimeo, Mastadon, Parler, Gab and other services will pick up the slack. Bing, DDG, the new Brave search engine will cut into G**gle's search and other businesses. Dragon, Edge, Brave, Dissenter will upset G**gle's Browser business.

Someone will organize a campaign to go after advertisers and it won't take much to get them to make newspapers and TV change their tunes.

I think 2021 is going to be a glorious year. I think 2021 is the year we really get our country back.

I just hope it doesn't cancel the $15 minimum wage (unless to make it $20-25) but then I am a greedy ****** anyway.

John Henry

Darkisland said...

Blogger tim in vermont said...
The purpose of going through Trump’s taxes is to invent a crime, not to find one.

Agree completely.

But is it not strange that they have had tens of thousands of tax filings going back a number of years and nothing bad has leaked?

A month of looking and they have found nothing at all? Nothing that they can even pretend is sketch?

If they coulda, they woulda.

They've got nothing.

John Henry

rcocean said...

The fact is, this was done at least 4-5 times during Russia-Trump-Russia, where the NYT/Wapo/MSNBC published a lie about trump based on anonymous sources and then CNN/WSJ/etc. 'confirmed it. We know that Comey, McCable, strotz, etc. would leak to the 3-4 news outlets and they would do no independent checking of the leak, and then claim they all "corroborated" it

I love Greenwald's writing on this. Its too bad, that there are NO Conservative outlets that are doing similar work. We either get namby-pamby "lets dance around things" and make vague generalization from places like Redstate, or we get one or two sentence posts from Gateway Pundit or Breitbart. Nothing that intelligent and well written and hard hitting. No wonder Althouse doesn't like to read Right-wing sites.

Browndog said...

They didn't burn their source. They identified the fall guy.

Brad Raffensperger deleted the phone call (so he thought). Brad Raffensperger publicly corroborated the false reporting.

You're gettting sent on a wild goose chase. Again.

chickelit said...

Darkisland said...They've got nothing.

Disagree. They got their lawfare jobs and positions at highly inflated rates of recompense. That is all they really want: good jobs at good pay. Fuck ethics.

Dave Begley said...

I don't know if the Fake News (including Fox) or the FBI are the biggest frauds.

Fox refuses to cover the biggest story in American political history: How the Dems stole the election from Trump.

It would be easy to do a one hour special with Patrick Byrne's book The Deep Rig out. I don't even think Fox talked about Molly Ball's "Time" story. Easy to get her on for an interview.

The FBI is unleashing holy hell on a minor riot but on a weekly basis federal buildings in Portland are attacked. And the FBI did NOTHING on the election fraud.

We are completely fucked. When the filibuster and HR1 are "reformed," the fucking will be over. So don't anyone here act surprised.

Dave Begley said...

Speaking of the criminal Andrew McCabe, I saw him on CNN talking about the Atlanta shootings and he was babbling about coordination.

Why this guy hasn't been indicted is an outrage. And some teenager is being held without bail for 1-6-21.

rcocean said...

BtW, the whole key to this is:

1) Rapperburger's (the GA sec of state) staffer lied to the press about what Trump said to cause Trump maximum damage.

2) Rapperburger KNEW IT WAS A LIE. And said nothing.

3) We only found the truth because the DELETED audio of the SECRETELY taped conversation was found on a government computer's "Trashcan".

What the hell is wrong with GA Republicans? How did a Trump hating RINO, who threw the election to Biden, and got 2 Republican senators kicked out of office through voter fraud, get elected as Sec of State? And why did the GA state legislature do nothing? And why hasn't kemp been impeached?


Static Ping said...

As I have repeated multiple times, stories based on anonymous sources without any corroborating evidence are worthless. Multiple anonymous sources is simply multiplying zeroes. The obvious corollary is multiple news sources independently "confirming" stories by using anonymous sources without corroborating evidence is simply adding more zeroes to the product. It only makes the story resemble a binary flatline than give it any credibility. At this point, I would say that this sort of behavior makes it more likely the story is false.

As others have mentioned, when a journalist gets lied to by an anonymous source, the anonymous source must be burned. Otherwise the journalist has no credibility as either the journalist is too naive for the job or is simply part of the conspiracy.

And yet we keep treating news organizations that regularly and flagrantly peddle false stories from anonymous sources as worthwhile.

Oh well.

rcocean said...

Rappenburger knew his staffer leaked the Lie to the press. He knew it was a lie and said nothing. He doesn't matter whether he told the staffer to leak the lie, or whether he just went along with it. Its the same thing. He is responsible for the lie.

Rick said...

Matt Sablan said...
This is why you burn sources that lie to you.


You'd do this if you understood your role as publishing the truth. On the other hand if your operative motivation were supporting the progressive political movement you would act quite differently. And since we can see the media did not burn the source but instead protected both the source and the lie we can conclude which is their true motivation.

rcocean said...

The MSM is left-wing. Its basically DNC News. The real question is not: "why do they lie?" the real question is: "Why do people still believe them?"

wendybar said...

And yet, nobody - not even the GOP are asking how much Raffensperger & Kemp were paid to destroy honest elections and others to cover it up.

donald said...

These despicable hacks are your go to sources for information because they are “elite”, right? I believe that is the term you use Ms Althouse.

Darkisland said...

Blogger rehajm said...

Last I checked PR loves 'independence' and the economic status being a 'developing' nation implies. IOW keep sending the US dollars. Statehood would wreck the good thing they got going.

I see the quotes so perhaps you don't really mean independence. Unless the last time you checked was 130 years ago. VERY little sentiment for independence here. It has never polled more than about 5%, mostly less.

If you mean to say that the current "Free Associated State" (Estado Libre Associado, or are we now supposed to Estadx Libre Asociadx?) status is like independence, you are wrong. We are under ALL US laws. We pay ALL US taxes other than federal income tax. We are part of the US banking, court, commercial code, national building codes and everything else you might mention.

The only difference between Puerto Rico and Arkansas, other than that we probably have a more sophisticated workforce, is lack of representation in DC (No senators, reps or electoral votes) and income taxes.

Spanish is commonly spoken but so is English. But that is the same 1st Amendment right that any individual or state has in the US.

"Free Associated State" is the official name for our political status, but is is commonly translated as "Commonwealth". Massachussetts, Virginia, Pennsylvania and another state are formally Commonwealths as well.

The above to clear up some common misconceptions.

Yes we loves out ELA (as it is abbreviated) status. for the past 50-60 years it and statehood have split the 95% non-independence vote fairly evenly in our quadrennial elections and in half a dozen referenda.

It is a beggar status. Keeping that federal money flowing in prevents development and keeps us in subjugation just the way Blacks are kept in subjugation in many cities via welfare.

Companies here are paying $10-12/hr for unskilled labor and can't find any. People can make more staying home because you saps keep sending more and more of that sweet federal welfare. Please stop.

John Henry

Levi Starks said...

As to anonymous sources, I understand that on rare occasions they may be the only way to break an important news story. The the thing that should concern us is when anonymous sources become the norm. And when when anonymous sources always provide information injurious to one particular political party, (or ideology). And that when when anonymous sources provide false information there is no accountability for malicious nature of the claims.
I sure hope nothing bad happens to mr Greenwald.

Darkisland said...

Blogger chickelit said...

Disagree. They got their lawfare jobs and positions at highly inflated rates of recompense. That is all they really want: good jobs at good pay. Fuck ethics.

Agree. I meant they've got nothing on PEDJT.

They certainly have a sweet deal going for themselves.

John Henry

Browndog said...

I should add, Brad Raffensperger initiated a criminal investigation, charging Trump committed a felony that went to a grand jury in Georgia, based on the lies he told of what was said in the phone call.

Levi Starks said...

Absence of anything except malice

Dave Begley said...

The thing I think about nearly every day is how did we get to this place as a country in 2021?

Possible answers.

People are dishonest.

People are corrupt.

People will say and do just about anything for money.

People aren't very smart.

People don't have critical thinking skills.

People aren't patriotic and aren't grateful for what the Founders gave us.

I'm Not Sure said...

"And yet we keep treating news organizations that regularly and flagrantly peddle false stories from anonymous sources as worthwhile."

Those "news" organizations peddle false stories because of what their audiences demand. From the Greenwald article:

"With liberal media outlets deliberately embracing a profit model of speaking overwhelmingly to partisan Democrats who use them as their primary source of news, there is zero cost to publishing false claims about people and groups hated by that liberal audience.

That audience does not care if these media outlets publish false stories as long as it is done for the Greater Good of harming their political enemies..."


What those "news" consumers want is evil personified.

Dave Begley said...

I also blame the Academy. I'm sickened to see how Creighton Law has become woke. Creighton undergrad isn't much better as it has totally bought into the CAGW scam.

Other colleges are much worse than Creighton on the SJW and wokeness scale.

Browndog said...

Classic Gell-Mann amnesia effect.

Wapo prints a lie: You're a liar! Nobody believes you!

Wapo says this guy nobody heard of is responsible for the lie: That's terrible! We believe you!

JAORE said...

Nobody in the media ever wonders how Harry Reid got so rich on a government salary that would barely allow a person to scrape by in DC.

And his children

And Pelosi and her family

And...and...and...

I think every Congress Critter should publish their (and spousal) net worth (and not this, range of $2 million to $75 million) every year. So in year 13 of your terms you publish 13 figures.

The rate of increase would be astounding.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

Matt Sablan said...

Oh. Well, this is what I get for not being up to date. I wonder what consequences Jordan Fuchs will face for leaking inaccurate information to the media in her government job.

Most likely none, unless Raffensperger has something against her and if that unlikely event occurs she will undoubtedly be picked up by some non-profit lobbying group and/or think tank.

h said...

"the only person said to have been killed at the January 6 riot other than pro-Trump supporters". It is often overlooked that Sicknick was a Trump supporter, though he was at the Capitol in his capacity as a law enforcement officer, not a "protestor".

Mike of Snoqualmie said...

"Anonymous source" is DNC-speak for "We're just making sh*t up to damage [fill in the blank]. The anonymous source doesn't exist, it's just a convenient method to present our lies."

Fernandinande said...

So Trump reached into very private matters in the American social fabric. Plenty of blame to go around.

I think the crazies' crazy reactions to Trump also caused the recently expanded definitions of "racism"; the crazies wanted Trump to be a racist, but he never did or said anything that was actually racist so the crazies had to settle for things like his saying "Kung flu".

Original Mike said...

David Begley - You left out 'All of the above'.

Birches said...

That's not true rcocean. The Daily Caller, The Federalist and the Epoch Times have done a lot of legwork on this and Russia. But no one will believe them because they're right wing.

I linked to the Federalist in this thread. Pretty definitive article on what happened in GA. No one will care.

Joe Smith said...

Kind of like 'Anonymous sources.'

Any 'journalist' who hangs their hat on that one should be ashamed.

Too many stories that are incredibly damaging are written citing 'anonymous sources.'

If anyone ever sued to find out who those sources are, 'journalists' should be required to divulge the source, even if only to a judge. If not, the reporter should go to jail until they change their mind.

The first amendment is not a license to print bullshit and make things up.

And journalists these days have proven that they are stone-cold biased in favor of progressive causes.

It's funny how the first amendment is set in stone with no exceptions, but the second amendment must be carefully 'interpreted' and limits put on its exercise.

Joe Smith said...

"My parents worked in the printing industry all of their lives. They were actual printers, typesetters, Linotype and teletype operators, galley setting type by hand. It was a skilled trade."

I learned to output and set hot type in college as part of my major.

Later (in real life) I did hundreds of press checks.

I absolutely love the sound and smell of a press going full-bore...nothing like it.

donald said...

Again, I was threatened with physical violence and one was actually stopped from attacking me at the Sandy Springs North Annex. The Georgia Republican Party had no interest in what was happening in that building and didn’t even send a poll watcher to that venue on the date of the runoff.

The best part about Raffensberger is his absolute fury, which he does t even try to contain at the Republican voters that pint the finger at him for being Abram’s bitch.

Drago said...

Browndog: "I should add, Brad Raffensperger initiated a criminal investigation, charging Trump committed a felony that went to a grand jury in Georgia, based on the lies he told of what was said in the phone call"

Raffensberger claims to be a "lifelong republican", which of course means he is a left wing democrat who is owned by Zuckerburg and other lefty billionaires who kicked in hundreds of millions of dollars into election processes across the nation.

Raffensberger and Kemp were foot soldiers in the corruption of our election processes in GA and were willing political cannon fodder in the cheat by mail effort to oust OrangeManBad and both will be amply rewarded for their roles after they are tossed out of office. Just like Sen Burr from NC was owned by Dem Sen Warner of VA.

Achilles said...

Thank you for adding a new source of information Ann.

All is proceeding as I have foreseen.

Joe Biden will be the end of the Democrat Party.

Steven said...

Claims attributed to anonymous sources should be presumed to be libels invented by the person whose byline appears on the article.

Lurker21 said...

Talk radio has been talking about the Georgia story a lot. Greenwald was on Tucker Carlson. He has to be careful though. He may be getting too closely associated with Tucker and that makes him even more of a target for the liberal media than he otherwise would be. Already, you hear that he's "not on the left" because he appears on Tucker's show and defends him, and for some people, someone's not being a true leftist anymore automatically discredits a former comrade.

"Confirmation" may just mean asking the same person if what he or she told the other paper was true. If a "second source" is needed, that person may know even less about what was actually said than the first. Obviously, there was animus - a desire to get Trump - was involved, but malicious intent and laziness or sloppiness aren't mutually exclusive. They often work hand in hand. If a reporter has written "find the fraud" in quotation marks, is that because it's a quotation from Trump, or because it's a quotation from the source? When you're out to get somebody you may not be very careful with things like that.

Howard said...

Nothing new here this is exactly why I have not been a patron of the mainstream media for the past 20 plus years. It's also why I don't get excited over every stinking headline that everyone freaks out over because it seems like at least 2/3 of the time the story changes into either a nothing burger or the exact opposite actually happened.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The anti-Trump movie played on PBS is so filled with deceptions and half-truths and cutting room floor mis-charaterizations.

The left hate Trump so much -they do not care at all about journalistic integrity.

richlb said...

Every news organization should adopt a policy to identify anonymous sources immediately when they are discredited.

Scotty, beam me up... said...


Big tech and the MSM now consider themselves the arbiter on what can be released as “news”, even if they purposely change what the “news” is to fit their narrative and the narrative of lefty politicians. Unfortunately, they hide behind their 1st Amendment rights when they do this while acting as the agents of left-leaning governments in suppressing the free speech of our citizens. This gives plausible deniability to those lefty governments while protecting those politicians and unelected officials when it comes Constitutional rights being suppressed. It is a sad irony that these lefties who hate & despise our Constitution use it to hide behind it.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The correction by The Washington Post concerning false information about a phone call between former President Donald Trump and the Georgia secretary of state’s chief investigator is no anomaly. The neglect of truth and preference for anonymous sources is deeply ingrained in the corrupt left-wing media’s strategy.

“You will notice that establishment media errors, omissions, mistakes, and outright lies always slant one way — against me and against Republicans. Meanwhile, stories that hurt Democrats or undermine their narratives are buried, ignored, or delayed until they can do the least harm,” Trump said in a statement Monday in response to widespread corrections from The New York Times, CNN, ABC, and so on.

Federalist

Big Mike said...

reading Orwell as if it is an instruction manual

What a wonderful line!

DavidUW said...

I should add, Brad Raffensperger initiated a criminal investigation, charging Trump committed a felony that went to a grand jury in Georgia, based on the lies he told of what was said in the phone call.
>>
That's the icing on the cake.

He should not only be impeached, but also charged with the falsifying whatever that is in the code.

Just like Kamala for supporting her DAs using falsified confessions.

The fact that there is NO punishment for law enforcement that actively pervert the law by literally making shit up, is what has demolished conservative support for law. And that is an unhealthy place to be.

independent said...

"Every news organization should adopt a policy to identify anonymous sources immediately when they are discredited."

Great idea ... and if the source isn't agreeable, well that should tell you all you need to know.

donald said...

“Raffensberger and Kemp were foot soldiers in the corruption of our election processes in GA and were willing political cannon fodder in the cheat by mail effort to oust OrangeManBad and both will be amply rewarded for their roles after they are tossed out of office. Just like Sen Burr from NC was owned by Dem Sen Warner of Va”.

I don’t think so. I just think they are dim bulb hacks who never saw this coming. Now that their stupidity has been displayed for all the world to see, they’re embarrassed and like all weak men in authority everywhere are lashing out the people that entrusted them with their jobs. They have no political future so what the hell.

independent said...

Reporters also often say merely they have "talked to their sources" which I always took to mean other reporters.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Brad Raffensperger - where are the felony charges against him?

Temujin said...

The point of the Constitution is to protect the rights of individuals. How did we get to be a people clamoring for more and more collectivism/tribalism? There is no such thing as 'group rights' without trampling on the rights of individuals. The smallest minority is the individual and it is a category we all are part of. No need for naming group rights. Just make and follow laws that protect the individual and we are all covered. And, for God's sake- get government out of our lives as much as possible. It is the necessary evil and must be checked.

narciso said...

Goes back to mark felt, he had agripe against nixon, he wasnt 'speaking truth to power' same with christopher steele eric ciamerella miles taylor.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

We have a dishonest press covering for a corrupt and dishonest party.

rcocean said...

"The only information spokesperson Walter Jones provided was that "the Secretary of State’s office investigates complaints it receives. The investigations are fact-finding and administrative in nature. Any further legal efforts will be left to the Attorney General.”

THis is what shit head Raffles-burger said when the DA started and investigation into Trump's phone based on HIS LIES. So, is anyone in GA upset about this?

rcocean said...

Given Raffles-burger's dishonesty, does anyone NOW think he wanted an honest counting of the votes?

BTW, do you want to know who was the GA secretary of state before Raffles-burger? The one who started to put in the Dominion voting machines? It was...

Kemp.

rcocean said...

"Just like Sen Burr from NC was owned by Dem Sen Warner of Va”."

Burr got rewarded. Biden's DoJ dropped the insider trading investigation against Burr, one day after Biden was inaugurated.

rcocean said...

Arz and GA - dishonest election by corrupt RINOs
Mich & Wisnc - Dishonest election by Democrat Governors and Sec of state
Penn - Dishonest Supreme Court and Gov/Sec of state disobey laws and steal elections.

And all this was supported by Toomey. Romney. Cheney. McConnell. And the two losers from GA.

Meade said...

"I wonder what consequences Jordan Fuchs will face for leaking inaccurate information to the media in her government job."

Probably the same consequences Mark Felt faced.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Media’s Entire Georgia Narrative Is Fraudulent, Not Just The Fabricated Trump Quotes

narciso said...

Well mark felt faced jail time, for 'black bag jobs' creep on steroids

narciso said...

He was pardoned by reagan, along with another official, but he enabled bill ayers to go free and you know the rest of the story

Dude1394 said...

Anyone naive enough to think the jornolist didn't re-create itself somewhere is just incredibly naive. I doubt seriously if they actually talked to anyone, and if so, someone must have some credibility to out the source. But they do this smear on purpose, they are criminal.

Also, Glenn Greenwald is well worth supporting monetarily, I do.

narciso said...

It never went away, it expanded into maggies rizzotto tray set

Bruce Hayden said...

“Harry Reid was like the fictional Don Draper--literally raised in a whorehouse but upon taking on a false identity he became "respectable" until he wasn't. But all along he had the morals and scruples of his humble origins as he sold lies and propaganda.”

Not really the impression that my partner had/has of him. In Las Vegas, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, several families would meet after church on Sundays to essentially barbecue and have their kids play together. Most were LDS, but hers was not. One thing they all had in common was a lot of kids. The Reids were one of the families. Harry Reid was an up and coming lawyer at the time. One guy who brought them together went up on the Supreme Court a decade later (he represented her on an inadvertent shoplifting charge, and then referred her to the guy who she still considers her best friend, when she was widowed just as he went up on the court). Her father and Reid bonded over boxing (they remember each other from the Golden Gloves circuit - never fought though because her father was much taller and a bit heavier). The Reid kids were a bit younger - all that she remembered was 5 young towheads, four boys and a girl (the boys all became lawyers, as well as their brother in law).

My partner’s mother has always been “sensitive”, and rarely wrong about her intuition. She allowed the relationship to continue until her kids were teenagers, and had better things to do on Sunday afternoons (like hanging out, etc). All that she saw in Reid was an ambitious, hard working, lawyer. He was no more dishonest, and maybe even more honest, than the other prominent Mormons they knew and socialized with at the time (pardon to the LDS here, but from the outside, they often appear to have had an us/them attitude, which can maybe sometimes justify shading the truth to gentiles).

I should add that by then, they were living in Henderson, just west of Las Vegas, where the high school was well over 1/2 Mormon. Even back then, the schools in Las Vegas itself were problematic. You moved out of that city, if you could afford it. Las Vegas has always been a Mormon town. It has been mostly run by them, since its founding. A decade ago, when I retired from one of the largest firms in the state, the saying was that you had better have a Mormon at your counsel table (they didn’t have to really do anything, just be there), if you want a chance at winning a case in court. We thus had a lot of Mormons in the firm, including, of course, one of the Reid boys. Good guy. We used to joke about our fathers being lawyers, as well as brothers. Both of us grew up with four siblings, though he had a sister, and I didn’t. The interesting thing though was how protective everyone was of the Reid boy in the firm. The implied word was that his father may be the Senate Majority Leader, but he was a good guy. And, yes, he took care of the rest of us - helping pay for the Christmas party, letting us use their minor league baseball box, etc. But overall, they were right - a really good guy.

My view from NV at the time, and my partner having grown up around his family, that Reid found himself near the top of his party in the Senate, and to keep his position there, he had to represent his caucus, which had moved significantly to the left, while he was there. He had Chuckie Scheamer coming up right behind him, pushing hard. Which forced Reid much further to the left that he otherwise would have gone, to keep his position at the top of his caucus in the Senate. .

His money is no real surprise - a bit of insider trading (legal for members of Congress, illegal for anyone else - and never as blatant as Nancy Palsi buying Tesla stock last month the day before the Obama Administration announced that the federal fleet of vehicles was going electric). And at least once, his family bought land before Congress routed a freeway right by it. Sleazy? Yes? Dirty? Not really as bad as many other politicians, esp powerful Dem politicians. Put up against Biden, Pelosi, Feinstein, etc, he looks almost honest.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

The media lie for THEIR party - but somehow we are supposed to keep buying it.

Shouting Thomas said...

I think it’s all going to come out over the next year:

o Dem’s year long coordinated psy-ops campaign (BLM, Antifa)
o Dem governors conspired over shutdowns to sabotage Trump
o Illegal changes in voting laws in 26 states
o Election Day fraud

We’ll know that Trump is the legitimate president.

What then?

rehajm said...

I doubt seriously if they actually talked to anyone

Wasn't there a story circulating that the source for the content of the dossier, the anonymous source claiming the validity of the events of the pee pee tape, was an employee of the hotel paid to read words on cue cards corroborating the story? I have no doubt many of these unnamed sources are no more sophisticated than that.

They told us Trump is a special case that calls for the suspension of traditional journalistic practices.

Rick said...

Lurker21 said...
Already, you hear that he's "not on the left" because he appears on Tucker's show and defends him, and for some people, someone's not being a true leftist anymore automatically discredits a former comrade.



There's a big reveal hidden in this and it's not that Greenwald is not on the left. In fact Greenwald is a liberal fighting for liberal values.

The big reveal is that these speakers - who represent essentially all public and activist Dems and left-siders - accurately recognize anyone supporting liberal values are their opponents. This confuses them because they erroneously believe they are liberals which ruins their ability to understand and/or place actual liberals. But they need this self-identification because liberalism has a long history of accomplishment their own ideology lacks and need credit for these accomplishments to use as a cudgel against everyone else.

walter said...

"If it rings true, it is true" lives on. So does the "NBC edit".
Moar Sicknick narrative fail with docs
Truth still hopping on one leg trying to get those pants on.

Michael K said...

his family bought land before Congress routed a freeway right by it.

When Illinois was building the tollway around Chicago, my father used to say it was so twisty and made so many turns because every Illinois politician had bought land along the right of way and it had to pass over each parcel.

rehajm said...

Already, you hear that he's "not on the left" because he appears on Tucker's show...

Naomi Wolf showed up on Tucker a few weeks ago. Did she lose her leftie privileges yet?

narciso said...

He was as mobbed up as senator geary.

Lurker21 said...

The Seventies, which are often seen now as the heyday of investigative reporting, was a time when the left was disillusioned with the Democrats and critical of them. Anti-establishment reporters certainly liked the Republicans less, but they weren't above going after crooked Democrats. Today, the legacy media and the Democrats are joined at the hip and the media won't go after Democrats if it can help it.

You could draw a parallel between the 1960s/1970s and the 1900s/1910s, when reporters were also quite disillusioned with the political system and political corruption and likely to go after scandal wherever they found it. Times when the parties are far apart in their opinions and ideologies are times when politicians of one party get passes because they are on the "good side," but when reporters can see both parties as part of the same rotten system they may be more likely to follow the clues wherever they lead.

rcocean said...

"Probably the same consequences Mark Felt faced."

Felt would've caused no damage if Patrick Gray had not been such an idiot. Nixon - through 3rd parties - told Gray that Felt was leaking to the WaPo. But Gray didn't want to believe it, because Felt was so "Honest and sincere". He decided to talk to Felt about the leaks "man to man", and because Felt gave his "Word of honor", Gray kept him on.

what a Dumbo!

rehajm said...

We pay ALL US taxes other than federal income tax

Yah, but that one's the sticking point now, innit? If you don't agree I beg to differ...

rcocean said...

It reminds me of Mel Brooks line in Spaceballs:

Evil will always triumph, because Good is so Dumb.

hstad said...

Two reason from my point of view: 1) Journalism's confirmation bias's and 2) Lazy Journalists not willing to do original reporting.

narciso said...

Actually stanley pottinger tracked the leaks to the grand jury transcripts, but did nothing

narciso said...


He became a hack novelist

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/woodward-book-says-felts-expression-gave-him-away-in-grand-jury-testimony/amp/

chickelit said...

We’ll know that Trump is the legitimate president.

What then?


John Henry wins his bet?

Sebastian said...

"How Do Big Media Outlets So Often 'Independently Confirm' Each Other's Falsehoods?"

Well, leaving the sordid logistics aside, it serves the narrative, reinforces prog power, and shows deplorables that progs can get away with lying.

It's an in-your-face and whatcha-gonna-do-about-it a**hole move. Doing it to the president of the U.S. says: we rule.

YoungHegelian said...

Ya also gotta wonder about any government bureaucrat who, this many years after computers have been an integral part of every office environment, doesn't know how to really delete a file.

Files in the Trash Can are not really deleted yet. Even deleted files can often be fully recovered with easily available undelete programs. It takes special apps to delete a file beyond recovery.

narciso said...

The two gals one dubbed the hardest working reporter (ahem) received a string of leaks from dia drone frese

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Walter 11:03

That is VERY interesting.

* I note this tho - why do alternative media sites - that are very legitimate and honest - why are they so crappy to read and navigate.

MSM web-sites are also covered with annoying ads and crap - but the alternative sites are worse.

n.n said...

Not independence, but rather correlation, as in separate buildings, offices, lunch times, etc. The press, media, social platforms, and steering engines have reduce the probability of independence to zero (not impossible, but improbable) and forced a progressive correlation of sources (see Chauvin trial).

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Sicknick died - not because of a fire extinguisher to the head. In fact -t he DOJ-FBI will not release his cause of death.

The lying hack press still have not corrected.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

the 2 men who supposedly caused Officer Sicknik's death - are only being charge with assault.

Not murder or manslaughter... assault.

but - the penalty is worse than murder. life in prison. hmmmm.

TreeJoe said...

Anonymous sources are encouraged when they are quoted, embraced, and don't face pushback.

Anonymous sources are discouraged when they are not quoted, ignored, or threatened to be named if they lie.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

Is it any wonder the collective hivemind democrat party worshipers desire to tear greenwald down?

He calls out their lies. He will not be tolerated.

NorthOfTheOneOhOne said...

YoungHegelian said...

Ya also gotta wonder about any government bureaucrat who, this many years after computers have been an integral part of every office environment, doesn't know how to really delete a file.

I normally grumble about having to deal with so many people who use technology without even understanding the basics of how it works. I this case I think I'll shut up.

Shouting Thomas said...

Scott Adams says that the fraud will unravel within 10 years and we’ll know Trump won.

I think it will fall apart faster than that... within the next year.

Michael K said...

Blogger BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...

the 2 men who supposedly caused Officer Sicknik's death - are only being charge with assault.

Not murder or manslaughter... assault.

but - the penalty is worse than murder. life in prison. hmmmm.


Have you seen "
The Evidence?"


Needless to say, there is none.

WWIII Joe Biden, Husk-Puppet + America's Putin said...

I read that, Michael K.

At worst, one the of guys sprayed something in the air. Bear spray.
At worst.
Sicknick texted his brother later that night saying he was OK. - after being pepper sprayed.

Drago said...

ST: "o Dem governors conspired over shutdowns to sabotage Trump"

And plenty of "republican" Governors and Secretaries of State.

Most notably Georgia.

Big Mike said...

In a statement, the Post says, “We corrected the story and published a separate news story last week — at the top of our site and on the front page — after we learned that our source had not been precise in relaying then President Trump’s words. We are not retracting our January story because it conveyed the substance of Trump’s attempt to influence the work of Georgia’s elections investigators.”

What an elegant way to say “fake but accurate.”

donald said...

No Drago, they were morons.

Browndog said...

TreeJoe said...

Anonymous sources are encouraged when they are quoted, embraced, and don't face pushback.

Anonymous sources are discouraged when they are not quoted, ignored, or threatened to be named if they lie


Anonymous sources are sometimes fictitious, giving cover for news organizations to publish blatant lies.

Drago said...

donald: "No Drago, they were morons."

The actions Raffensberger and his bought off staff (the same ones lying about a phone call along with Raffensberger) and Kemp have taken demonstrate conclusively they are corrupt AND morons.

donald said...

I’ll take that Drago, but I don’t think it was a plan or conspiracy. They were totally out worked and caved to the fat pig Abrams.

Nobody on the Republican side of this had the wits to realize what was happening. My conversation with the Republican elections official on the Sunday before the election proved that to me.

Francisco D said...


Shouting Thomas said...I think it’s all going to come out over the next year:

o Dem’s year long coordinated psy-ops campaign (BLM, Antifa)
o Dem governors conspired over shutdowns to sabotage Trump
o Illegal changes in voting laws in 26 states
o Election Day fraud

We’ll know that Trump is the legitimate president.

What then?


A new WuFlu variant will be discovered and we will have near total lockdowns.

Browndog said...

donald said...

I’ll take that Drago, but I don’t think it was a plan or conspiracy. They were totally out worked and caved to the fat pig Abrams.

Nobody on the Republican side of this had the wits to realize what was happening. My conversation with the Republican elections official on the Sunday before the election proved that to me.


How could they possibly not know? Everyone knew.

They knew.

Skippy Tisdale said...

ru·mor

/ˈro͞omər/

noun
a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.
"they were investigating rumors of a massacre"

Bilwick said...

Tom Bethel and Joseph Sobran when they came up with the phrase "The Hive" to describe the modern-day "liberal"/"progressive" Axis.

narciso said...

the erotic poetry reader who is the dni, is regurgitating the same debunked crap about klimnik and co,

Drago said...

Bilwick: "Tom Bethel and Joseph Sobran when they came up with the phrase "The Hive" to describe the modern-day "liberal"/"progressive" Axis."

Tom Bethel and Joseph Sobran when they came up with the phrase "The Hive" to describe the modern-day "liberal"/"progressive"/LLR-pro-pedophile Axis.

FIFY

Drago said...

donald: "Nobody on the Republican side of this had the wits to realize what was happening."

I disagree completely.

Kemp, Raffensberger and his staff along with other establishment pro-dem "republicans" gleefully participated in what they knew would be industrial/national scale vote fraud.

donald said...

I just can’t see that. Of course I though George Bush was an honorable man in 2002. I was damned sure wrong about that.

chickelit said...

A new WuFlu variant will be discovered and we will have near total lockdowns.

Since the disease etiology of COVID-19 is being deliberately obscured, we're left with only speculation as to the cause. That being said, I would think that any malicious preps would have learned and would arrange for the next outbreak to occur in say some Midwesternor Southern meat processing plant. This would (A) absolve China of responsibility; (2) inflict as much damage as possible to the regions of residual Trump support, and (C) strike a blow at global meat consumption which is a longstanding target of the Left.

Sam L. said...

As I keep saying, I don't KNOW it the media is/are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Dem Party, or if it's the other way round, but it's OBVIOUS that they are in CAHOOTS.