March 19, 2021

Have you been following the Madison, Wisconsin story about a city council meeting where somebody muttered "c*nt"?

The Wisconsin State Journal reports:

An independent analysis has failed to identify the person who called a local activist a vulgarity toward the end of a marathon online meeting in September that exposed deep divisions on the Madison City Council. At the same time, the report released Thursday by Phoenix-based USA Forensic identifies four men who might have said the word. And while the four include the man long accused in the incident, Ald. Paul Skidmore, it also suggests the culprit was, unlike Skidmore, wearing a headset and had a microphone that was activated at the time the word was uttered. 

So it sounds like it wasn't Skidmore. Yet the headline is "Accused Madison City Council member 1 of 4 suspects ID'd in report on misogynist slur." Why stress that it could still be him when it's more likely to be one of the other 3? We heard the word because the utterer had a voice-activated headset. 

You may think: I need to know more about the "deep divisions on the Madison City Council" and what all this has to do with Skidmore.

[City Attorney Mike] Haas said the city provided [Audio analyst Bryan] Neumeister samples of voices of nine other men in the meeting “whose microphones Zoom identified as being activated at the time the word being analyzed was spoken.” Skidmore was not among those men, but Haas said that given Kilfoy-Flores’ complaint, “we also asked that a sample of Alder Skidmore’s voice be included in this comparison.” Neumeister ruled out six of the men based on their accents, background noise or their distance from their microphones, but not Skidmore, 9th District; Alds. Michael Tierney, 16th District, and Keith Furman, 19th District; or city staffer Joe Schraven. It wasn’t clear Thursday whether Zoom could have recorded someone speaking if the platform didn’t indicate the person’s microphone was on, and Haas declined to answer that question. Neumeister did not respond to requests for comment. 

The headline on this article is really unjustified. And I'm guessing Neumeister initially asked only for voice samples from the males who had voice-activated headphones, so that Skidmore would have been absolved at that point. So why did Hass insist on including Skidmore? I guess because Skidmore had been accused, but why was he accused?

The findings come a little more than two weeks before Skidmore faces voters in the April 6 election. He and Nikki Conklin emerged from a four-way primary last month. 

The woman who was about to speak when someone blurted out "C*nt!" was Shadayra Kilfoy-Flores, identified in the article as an "activist." She made a formal complaint against Skidmore. At the very end of the article, we get something of an answer:

Skidmore has grown increasingly isolated on the council in recent years as the council has moved even further to the left politically and Skidmore has been outspoken in his defense of the Madison Police Department, which local activists and their allies on the council believe needs reform, more oversight or cuts. At the time he was alleged to have uttered the vulgarity, the council had just finished approving the creation of a civilian board to oversee police and an independent police auditor, and Skidmore was the last one to speak before Rhodes-Conway called on Kilfoy-Flores to speak. Video of the person who said the alleged profanity did not pop up in the Zoom meeting when the word was spoken, and no one in the meeting reacted to the slur at the time it was uttered.

He supported the police. 

63 comments:

DavidUW said...

Oh the vapors.

How about the outrage over a decade of 6+% annualized property tax increases.
For what exactly?
Have the schools gotten better?
the roads?
the crime rate?

Laslo Spatula said...

Perhaps the culprit assumed it was her preferred pronoun?

I am Laslo.

Mike Sylwester said...

This voice-recognition application should be used on Black mobs that break into stores to steal televisions, tennis shoes, alcohol and other merchandise.

Kevin said...

It’s a "C*nt!" hunt!

rhhardin said...

Cunt is opinion, and may even have been privately expressed but broadcast owing to technical operations. In any case it's protected speech, unless it's about a male, in which case there's a factual mistake, putting aside British usage meaning any unlikeable and unreliable person.

What her pronoun is isn't stated.

unknown said...

Who cares? This shit is exhausting. I need to take a break from the news. See you next Tuesday.

rhhardin said...

Just four years ago they were all demonstrating in cunt hats.

Iman said...

So Howard made an appearance?

Curious George said...

"...misogynist slur."


Is is a misogynist slur if she actually is a cunt?

David Begley said...

“a City Council meeting”

How about the married gay state judge who was arrested with child porn?

Shouting Thomas said...

The terms “racist, “sexist” and “homophobic” are empty, deliberately malicious slurs, precisely the same as “cunt.”

So, I’d imagine the entire counsel needs to be dismissed.

rhhardin said...

Barthelme has a couple of pages of the proper use of cunt in Snow White. p79-81

It has many shades and versatilities. Women probably are unable to study it.

tim in vermont said...

Somehow I get the feeling that this accusation is not going to hurt this guy with his voters. If I were voting, it would be for the guy who the thought police are trying to get.

Each of us carries phones or even wears watches that listen to us all of the time. What if I want to listen to N.W.A. in my car and slip and ask siri to play Straight Outta Comptom and forget to use the abbreviation? Do I get reported as a racist?

Todd said...

On the one hand I get it, you should NOT have city counsel members calling some one a "c*nt", no matter how much an individual "deserves it". Technically the work for the citizens.

On the other hand, this is the biggest problem plaguing Madison right now that they report on this? Are the riots still getting coverage? Are the homeless camps still getting coverage? How about that abomination of a stimulus that was just rammed through? ALL the other Madison problems have been solved?

Asking for a friend...

exhelodrvr1 said...

I say cancel all 4 of the suspects, just to be safe!

Known Unknown said...

Perhaps they should not have invited Ricky Gervais to the meeting.

tim maguire said...

If it's a voice-activated headphone and it was a single word epithet, then how do we even know it was said at all? Is there any reason to conclude he didn't say something else, a short word with that ending. Is there reason to conclude that he didn't say something like "stunt"? Which the microphone picked up as "-unt," which people convinced themselves was "cunt"?

Linda said...

I saw that headline and thought it was very misleading - but it was the State Journal. I just went and contributed to Skidmore, Carter (neither are my district) and also to Myadze who does represent my district. I have never felt the need to contribute to political races - but in this case I think that this just might be money well spent.

BarrySanders20 said...

Kevin said...
It’s a "C*nt!" hunt!

Let's be blunt: the cunt hunt's a stunt.

Levi Starks said...

Just exactly how many nuclear words are there?
Could deep fake technology produce an updated George Carlin?

WK said...

Neumeister ruled out six of the men based on their accents

Note to self: you fake accent when making disparaging comments about others during online Zoom calls.

Mark said...

I knew Paul Skidmore for a few years professionally, well enough to not be surprised he said it.

I mean, I can't prove he said it, but if you know him (esp after a drink) it's par for the course.

I don't see the reason to go to all this trouble, it's not like the folks voting for him consider this a negative.

Fernandinande said...

Probably talking about Chinese acrobats and their cunning stunts.

Lucid-Ideas said...

Yeah, but if she really was.

Shouting Thomas said...

I gotta get back to this.

I’m betting Skidmore has been slurred as a “racist” by every other member of the council.

He has my blessing to call them names in return.

I no longer humor this BS that calling people “racist” is anything except vicious name calling.

Tommy Duncan said...

Todd said: "On the other hand, this is the biggest problem plaguing Madison right now that they report on this?"

Dissent is not allowed in the Supreme Soviet of Madison. The use of the word indicated disagreement, which is not allowed. Until unanimity is restored, nothing else matters. Party purity must be maintained.

Paco Wové said...

As has been noted elsewhere, all the facts in a modern newspaper article are at the end, all the spin and propaganda are at the beginning.

DanTheMan said...

In NYC, De Blasio would have the NYPD "correct" him, and tell him that his comment was "inappropriate", and that he could be arrested for repeating it.

Freedom is slavery.

Wait, are we still allowed to use the "s" word?

gilbar said...

I saw a Fox headline last night, that read something like
Jen Psaki caught saying "C word" at Border Briefing

And, i couldn't for the life of me Imagine WHY she'd have said "the C word"
turns out, that they meant CRISIS
i didn't realize that there were TWO "C words"

I hope that we never reach a point where there are two different "en words"
'cause That could be REALLY confusing

ps. i didn't want to get in trouble; so i've used 'en' as a euphemism for 'n'

gilbar said...

DanTheMan said...
Wait, are we still allowed to use the "s" word?


No! NO we are NOT!
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/liberals_demand_we_stop_using_the_word_slave_to_describe_slavery.html

iowan2 said...

This is something the voters will determine...in a representative government.

But that's the rub isn't it. Allowing lowly voters to wield that power, when one or two self declared elites are the true arbiters of who should be installed to govern.

Fernandinande said...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/02/liberals_demand_we_stop_using_the_word_slave_to_describe_slavery.html

Always do opposite of what the nyt says.

Dave Begley said...

Ann!

Typos in your headline. A first for you.

DanTheMan said...

>>ps. i didn't want to get in trouble; so i've used 'en' as a euphemism for 'n'


How shameful that you would admit you even once thought of that certain word. Proof enough for many that you should be cancelled.

I for one look forward to your self-denunciation and show trial. And since you have admitted your guilt, a life sentence in the gulag.

It is a small price we (well, technically, you) must pay to preserve our freedoms.

gilbar said...

DanTheMan said...
How shameful that you would admit you even once thought of that certain word. Proof enough for many that you should be cancelled.


THIS coming from a RACIST, that OPENLY used the "ess word" !!!

DanTheMan said...

>> THIS coming from a RACIST, that OPENLY used the "ess word" !!!

I am a Democrat, and have had my sins forgiven by His Holiness Biden The First.
I had to do a penance of three C'mon Man's and 3 Circle Backs.

Todd said...

Wait, are we still allowed to use the "s" word?

No, hence forth the proper "newspeak" term is "person subjected to constrained, artificial, external, restricted mobility and actions by [lower case] white people".

Please update your dictionaries ASAP.

tcrosse said...

We need to ban the asterisk. It is present in so many problematic words, like c*nt, m*therf*cker, ni**er, and c*cks*cker. It's time to eliminate the asterisk from our discourse.

DanTheMan said...

>>We need to ban the asterisk. It is present in so many problematic words, like c*nt, m*therf*cker, ni**er, and c*cks*cker. It's time to eliminate the asterisk from our discourse.

Little Sally sallied forth,
Upon the ice to frisk.
We all thought her foolish,
Her cute little *.

Iman said...

Corksoaker!

jaydub said...

Which cunt complained about this and sent the whole city government down a rabbit hole?

Big Mike said...

Behold! The party of “science” desperately trying to find a way to accuse the one man who could not possibly have uttered the offending word.

Ah, is everybody absolutely certain that the word caught on someone’s microphone was, in fact, the slang expression for a vagina and not something more prosaic like “can’t”?

Joe Smith said...

But what if the person that was called a 'cunt' was, indeed a cunt?

Isn't that exoneration?

Kind of funny, but the British use 'cunt' and 'twat' all of the time.

'Twat' seems especially popular...

Anonymous said...

The "C" word has become another unutterable. It shouldn't have. The "C" word has a clear meaning and it is shorthand for a type of behavior, not an immutable characteristic of human beings as racial or ethnic slurs. The "C" word was correctly used in the original, uncut version of "An Officer and a Gentleman." The word means a person who thinks the world owes her a reward solely because she has a vagina. Tell me you never met one and I'll call you a liar.

Jupiter said...

The woman who was about to speak when someone blurted out "C*nt!" was Shadayra Kilfoy-Flores, identified in the article as an "activist."

So, actually, a dumb fucking cunt.

tim in vermont said...

I think that the funniest obit I ever read was for a “political activist” named Budjinski.

MadisonMan said...

How about the married gay state judge who was arrested with child porn?
I read all the way through the article. Never did say which party he was affiliated with.
I'm not sure why name-calling should be prohibited on the city council though.

Whiskeybum said...

Think of the effort and $$ put into performing a forensic analysis on this... and they will never know for 100% sure who said it. People with paper thin skins can't just let it go and move on to, you know, the actual work that the council is supposed to be doing.

n.n said...

Can't do that. Can't do that. Can't do that.

n.n said...

This voice-recognition application should be used on Black mobs

Back... black hole... whore h/t NAACP. There's the problem.

Yancey Ward said...

Laslo for the win!

Yancey Ward said...

Can I call her a cunt? I am willing to do so and can't be hurt by the backlash. Maybe I should offer this service or a small online fee?

Yancey Ward said...

How much money has the city spent on the search for the truthtell.....er, misogynist? Is it hundreds, or now into the thousands of dollars? Meade and Althouse's real estate taxes at work!

mezzrow said...

***** **** **** *u**!

I'm Not Sure said...

"Skidmore has been outspoken in his defense of the Madison Police Department, which local activists and their allies on the council believe needs reform, more oversight or cuts."

Maybe he said something about the PD not needing more "cuts"?

Caligula said...

Yes, but what I really want to know is:

1. Is it worse to be called a "cunt" than to be called a "prick"?
2. Is it worse to call someone a "cunt" than to call someone a "prick"?
3. And what of intersectionality? Surely these terms can be combined with others to produce terms that are even worse (or perhaps some that are not as bad)?

Investigative Reporters at work! "The public wants to know who said that word!"

Because even intrepid investigative journalists have priorities. And some words are just worse than others.

Ken B said...

It was probably Birkel.

I am torn about the election. He seems the sane one on council but ... blue cities deserve blue governance.

My advice? Defund the fire department, all it does is prop up white supremacy.

Ken B said...

It’s Queen like, this hunt.

Ken B said...

Queeg

walter said...

Should have hit the Cunt Button.

Lurker21 said...

No, but I heard about the Lowell, MA school committee member who had to resign for using the K word on public access television to refer to a former colleague.

He also apologized to School Committee members Mike Dillon and Hilary Clark, though he intentionally did not include the other four members of the committee.

“Sorry about what I did, but not sorry about those four, I don’t even care,” he said toward the end of the video.

He said he has been having “a tough time, not gonna lie to you” since the news broke about his use of the slur.

Through tears, he said his father, a gambler and a cab driver, never used that word, or any swear word or derogatory term in front of him or women, and said he would never use the word again himself.

He added that he has “a big mouth” and “no control over how I talk or speak.”

David Blaska said...

If it was me I'd claim to be a victim of Tourette syndrome. Then I would be a victim, start a Go-Fund Me, and apply to be the F-ing Madison mayor's spokesman.

Bunkypotatohead said...

She's definitely a bitch, though.