1. The headline translates to "Why Meghan left Buckingham...." and the speech bubble says "because I couldn't breathe anymore."
2. Now, for the first time, I'm thinking about whether the Queen shaves her legs.
3. Is the image outrageous? But Charlie Hebdo wants to be outrageous... so it is immune to any criticism people might choose to lob. Still, the question remains: How outrageous is it and what are the elements of outrageousness?
4. The most outrageous part — if I consult my own sensitivity — is the appropriation of the pain surrounding George Floyd for a comical presentation. The second most outrageous part is connecting Markle to Floyd because she is black.
5. Those outrageous things are not, however, purely gratuitous, so it's not just a case of laughing at George Floyd and finding it worth pointing out that Markle, too, is black. What's not gratuitous is the radical contrast between what happened to Floyd — suffering and death on the street, under the knee of a cop — and what happened to Markle — palace life insufficiently pleasant.
6. It's important that Charlie Hebdo avoided using stereotypical features in drawing Markle, but unfortunate that the drawing doesn't look much like her. I'm interested in the window pane image on Markle's cheek. I believe this is the classic cartoon way to signify shininess. I guess Markle indulges in the makeup convention of dabbing shiny highlighter on the cheekbones. It would be a real stretch to connect that to the racial slur "shine." The slur has to do with the occupation of shining shoes — though Markle's face is right next to the Queen's shiny shoe — and not to some notion about how black people look.
7. It's important to be able to make fun of public figures. Markle is actively using accusations of racism to fend off criticism. This might work, for her and for many others, if the fear of these accusations is too intense. In that light, Charlie Hebdo is doing us a service, taking the heat, and — if you think about it the right way — contributing to racial progress.
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I side with the Queen and not Markle, but this is a perfectly reasonable cartoon that sides with Markle and not the Queen.
I’m gonna have to do a fact check.
I don’t believe George Floyd died on the street. In fact, I think that’s going to be a critical issue at trial.
He died either en route to the hospital or at the hospital.
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The second most outrageous part is connecting Markle to Floyd because she is black.
No she's not. Serious LOL is not an oxymoron.
I'm not crazy about the caricatures (I just think they look sloppy and needlessly ugly), but I didn't see it as "laughing at George Floyd" at all. It was laughing at Markle - or, more properly, mocking her soundly for feeling that her sense of oppression in Buckingham Palace was in any way equivalent to Floyd's suffering and death. (There's no question that he suffered and died. I won't go beyond that into the particulars.)
I don't like Markle. I liked her at first, knowing nothing of her, and wanted the best for her and Harry, but she's shown comprehensively that she was putting on an act at the beginning that she couldn't keep up - and she doesn't have the personal character, apparently, simply to move on from there into the private life she/they claimed to want. But I don't doubt that she did feel oppressed in the Palace, because being a royal, even by marriage, carries duties and obligations that being an actor does not. Some people can bear the weight of obligation; some can't.
But that oppressive feeling is not respiratory failure and death. Get a grip, pretty overgrown child.
"Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose while being restrained according to the book."
What do you mean "according to the book"? That's not what the coroner's report says.
The left hair stood out to me as well, and I immediately thought of the supposed row the Duchess of Cambridge had with Meghan about the flower girls wearing tights.
HMTQ wears stockings as her generation always did, and it is understood that senior royals should as well. But Meghan thought tights would be too hot for the girls and Catherine argued that with new shoes, the tights would prevent blisters.
That was the story that came out years ago, but which has now changed to Meghan calling little Charlotte fat because her dress did not fit two days before the wedding.
Who knows the truth, but when Hebdo showed the queen without stockings, that's the first thing that came to mind.
It also highlights the ridiculousness of Markle claiming she couldn't breathe at Buckingham, compared to a drugged out addict who killed himself with drugs to the point he couldn't breathe.
I wrote "the pain surrounding George Floyd" because I don't need to know exactly what really happened. Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain. It was subjective to them and their feelings, which are real, are appropriated.
Don't use this thread to discuss how Floyd really died. That's not the subject of the post. I won't delete what is already up, but please take any discussion on that topic to the last open thread. Read this post and talk about the many subjects it raises, not the preexisting topic of what happened in the GF incident.
They managed to take a poke at almost the entire Anglo world with that cover. Bravo.
Like, who among us Anglos can't find something to get pissed off about? It's maximum obnoxious Parisian energy and humor.
OK, prof...
The cover is funny as hell. Just what needed to be said.
I don't give a shit about racism... nor sexism... nor homophobia...
I used to, but I just don't give a shit any more.
Fuck it.
"It also highlights the ridiculousness of Markle claiming she couldn't breathe at Buckingham, compared to a drugged out addict who killed himself with drugs to the point he couldn't breathe."
But Markle didn't actually say "I can't breathe." That's actually confusing. It makes you feel that those were her words, but they were not. She did at one point refer to getting "breathing room" after leaving the UK.
Q: How do you like stippling, QE2?
A: I don't know, I've never been stippled.
Sorry, LEG hair not left hair.
“That’s not what the coroner’s report says”. The first one did - before it was “amended” to include the “stress from being restrained” part forced by the “top men”. It’s not what the phone call between coroner and DA said - the one that was suppressed until after the riots. “If you brought me this guy with no comment it would have been ruled a drug overdose”.
Funny how there are no “injuries” too on the body of Floyd - no crushing, no sign of blood or air cut off. Just the Same stress that made fentanyl Floyd freak out in the parking lot, the back seat of the car and on the ground when they pulled him out ( and he hit his head on the car door struggling).
Kabuki cornoner - literally no respect for that tool.
Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain. It was subjective to them and their feelings, which are real, are appropriated.
So I gather that this is a "too soon" argument. The cartoon is a metaphor, that's all. But the event depicted isn't far enough in the past (I think you're saying) for the feelings it evokes to be comfortably distant.
"I don't give a shit about racism... nor sexism... nor homophobia..."
Why do you think anyone cares about whether you give a shit about this or that? Write a blog about what you care about, but don't stop into my blog just to say you don't care about the topics I am choosing. If you have nothing to say, say nothing. Don't clutter the comments with the incredibly boring information that you don't care about this one. It's boring! Who cares?!
I'll leave Ironclad's comment up because he is responding to my question, but no more discussion of how GF died. It's not what this post is about, and I don't want the sidetrack.
The cartoon is outstanding. Can be taken both ways of course but I take it as a severe mocking of Markle’s outrageous clams of being bullied.
Althouse mentioned reaction to the drawing because of the comparison to Floyd but because money seems to explain a lot of things the $27M payout should smooth things over.
When I heard the story, I thought, "So what, big deal, whatever," but the actual cover does look bigoted and ugly. But so what, big deal.
the Duchess of Cambridge
How many of us had to google that to find out she's Kate Middleton or Prince William's wife or whatever?
I believe this is the classic cartoon way to signify shininess.
This is not the time to go Jeet Heer on the rest of us.
Obviously, you care, Althouse, about transgression against your identity politics obsessions.
Which is precisely what this post is about.
Charlie Hebdo attacked your identity politics obsessions by ridiculing them. Charlie Hebdo doesn't give a shit.
For once, you kind missed the point, didn't you?
I think your identity politics obsession is laughable bullshit.
As Mort Sahl (who is still alive at 93) used to say, "Is there anyone here I haven't offended?"
I laughed.
What I don’t get is who decides Markle is “black” when she has *one-quarter* African-American ancestry. Who decided — and why does the world accept — that a single drop of blood defines one’s ethnicity? Why did Markle, specifically, decide that she’s “black” unless being so conferred some perceived advantage to her? Even if the “advantage” was simply to be a victim?
Hebdo seems to buy into her being a person of colour. Depicting her as rather more so than in reality (where until recently I had had no idea she was “black”).
That aside, I rather like the cover.
The second most outrageous part is connecting Markle to Floyd because she is black.
How is that outrageous? That is the card that Markle has decided to play. The Black Card. You don't think we noticed?
I'm pretty sure that her entire deck is stacked with many Black Cards. She seems to think that they are Trump Cards (no pun intended)
What it made me think about was the recent death of Larry Flynt, who would not have hesitated for even one second to publish this cartoon.
And so, time marches on. They'll look back at this and say "the past is a different country."
The Past Is A Different Country
Insanity, recovery or death.
Obviously, the French left despises royalty just like the Russian left did because they murdered theirs in cold blood. Or I should say they murdered them covered in warm blood.
The George Floyd incident is personally painful for me because it marks the day that my activist wife and daughter turned against me and is ultimately why they asked me to leave my own immediate family.
So there is a lot of emotion wrapped up in this cartoon: For a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Good luck sorting it all out.
Fact checking is going to be interesting. The problem is that the police killing Floyd is so central to the violent rioting across the country that their narrative is untouchable. If Floyd had essentially killed himself, then why was there so much rioting last summer? Why were so many cities burned? We all know the real answer: Orange Man Bad.
Still, there is little, if any, forensic evidence supporting the theory of the cops killing Floyd. There isn’t the bruising that would have occurred if police cased. On the flip side, his fentanyl levels would have been fatal in many people. This was compounded by pot in his system and recent COVID-19. He was foaming at the mouth and complaining about not being able to breathe before he was touched by the police. They put him in a cop car for transport, then removed him when he couldn’t breath, and called an ambulance. He was placed on his side to keep him from aspirating his vomit, and held in that position, until he quit breathing, while the ambulance was still a couple blocks away. At that point, one of the officers rolled him on his back and started CPR.
The big question is what should the police have done? Once they had arrested him, he was their problem. Their responsibility. They couldn’t release him, and let him just die there in front of them. Or after they had walked off. As I noted, putting him on his side was probably the safest thing to have done. Their big mistake seems to have been to have called for the ambulance code two, instead of at a higher priority. Eventually, that was rectified, but too late - traffic is traffic.
It seems like a hundred years ago, but at the time of Diana's death I worked in an office where e-mails flew around with the "dark humour" jokes. A small sample:
1. Why was Elton John invited to the funeral? Organizers wanted to make sure there would be one queen who would cry.
2. What is the Queen giving Fergie for her birthday? A lovely surprise: trip to Paris, dinner at the Ritz, limo ride.
3. Why didn't Superman rescue Diana? He was in a wheelchair.
All this had something to do with Diana going to the media and overstating her own "hill of beans" problems, and even more with the media or the Oprah crowd going crazy.
Sorry about talking about the evidence, but there were only two comments when I started typing my previous comment. 33 when I finished.
I don’t think it possible that the Queen has been trained by the Minneapolis police to use a conscious neck restraint, but the cartoon depicts the proper use of this tool.
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Oh for the days when we all cheered for Larry Flynn's big win over Jerry Falwell. All my friends - conservative, liberal, progressive - cheered sticking it to the man....parody all of them....comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable and all that.
It's been remarkable seeing the sea change in these beliefs.
The most hilarious thing about this post is that Althouse doesn't realize that Charlie Hebdo is ridiculing her.
The only sacred subject in the prof's quiver (well, besides her admirable defense of free speech) is identity politics.
Hebdo's cartoon ridicules a rich women claiming to be oppressed. What have I been making fun of the professor about for 15 years?
I'm sure I have blind spots are blazing as Althouse's, but this is a big one.
Floyd did have fentenolyl in his system - probably too much - but the officer had his knee on his neck for too long. I doubt that's in the book.
@chickelit - Damn. Sorry you were exiled on George Floyd day.
DBQ said...
How is that outrageous? That is the card that Markle has decided to play. The Black Card. You don't think we noticed?
I think that sums it up.
There is no chance that Chauvin will get a fair trial in Minneapolis. He would have a hard time anywhere in Minnesota. This is a show trial like that planned for George Zimmerman but Florida was not as polarized as Minnesota is now. He was acquitted. Ben Crump has taken over for Al Sharpton as the grifter in charge in these black white cases. $27 mil is a nice payday for him.
The rioters will run unchecked no matter what happens. Rodney King was just an early indicator. Try to defend yourself and end up like the kid in Kenosha. The political left is now focused on "Domestic Terrorists," which means any Trump voter. I doubt the Supreme Court has the guts to overturn an unfair verdict in any of these cases any more.
There is something truly terrifying in that a lowlife second story man, home invader, and (likely) rapist triggers Althouse's maternal sympathy.
What in the fuck is it about white women that this shit appeals to them?
"How is that outrageous? That is the card that Markle has decided to play. The Black Card. You don't think we noticed?"
I agree that she has made the connection. She's leaning into it. She's trying to associate herself with the history of black suffering, and there's something funny about it. That's what I said in the post made it not gratuitous.
When I say something is the most outrageous thing or the second most outrageous thing, I'm actually not making an assertion about how outrageous it is. I'm only identifying the nature of the outrageousness, however big or small.
Charlie Hebdo WANTS to be outrageous, so if the drawing isn't even outrageous at all, then that's a huge failure for Charlie Hebdo, and the whole cover should have been trashed. That would be the harshest criticism of all.
Everything had to burn down because of that knee. even innocent businesses owned by blacks.
Meghan Markle wants in on that action. Burn down the palace and take all the money!
"where are you gonna go now, Meghan?" "Disneyland!"
Ann Althouse said...
"I don't give a shit about racism... nor sexism... nor homophobia..."
Why do you think anyone cares about whether you give a shit about this or that?
That's one of those comment tactics I've never understood. Like the people trying to dismiss a famous person by saying, "I've never heard of him." Who cares that you've never heard of him? How important do you think you are?
The Charlie Hebdo massacre has been great for their popularity score. Otherwise, it just looks like Mad Magazine, which may have been beloved of 12 year old boys once upon a time, but few if any outside that rather narrow demographic.
Althouse said 4. The most outrageous part — if I consult my own sensitivity — is the appropriation of the pain surrounding George Floyd for a comical presentation. The second most outrageous part is connecting Markle to Floyd because she is black.
I find it a delightfully irreverent illustration. Irreverent toward the Queen of England (Hebdo is a FRENCH publication, FFS!); irreverent toward Markle's pity party; irreverent toward the George Floyd Event. For my part, I think we need a LOT more irreverence. But in these latter days, there are so many things we are not allowed to mock.
Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain. It was subjective to them and their feelings, which are real, are appropriated.
I would say that millions of people "experienced" (meaning watched on YouTube) a video and felt compelled by contemporary fashion to engage in public displays of emotion. It strikes me as similar to the compulsion of the Pharisee in Luke 18:11 (courtesy of King James):
"The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.”
Goodness knows where the United States of America is heading but apparently a good number of people understand it as a good time to pray loudly.
3. Is the image outrageous?
Yes. I am thankful to be outraged by something besides the 2020 fiasco.
I was not "Charlie" after they were attacked, and I ain't now.
And I'm not Team Meghan, either: she's a lying NewAger.
"Charlie Hebdo is doing us a service, taking the heat, and — if you think about it the right way — contributing to racial progress. "
That magazine has never helped anyone do anything.
Anyone who could hear George Floyd, wimpering for his Mother as he died, and think mockery is the correct place for his memory, then you're desperate to legitimize your evil in my book.
I tear up, just thinking of the guy.
"Contributing to racial progress."
By helping a liar against the Royals.
Y'all got weird ethics.
I like offensive humor. and I laughed. It's extra gooey offensive goodness sticks in the craw of the woke. win!
How liberal bourgeoise. You're OUTRAGED at george floyd but don't care about Ashli babbitt. I don't think the cartoon is "hard hitting" or "edgy". Its just stupid. The Queen is 100, I don't think about her legs at all. As Mr and Mrs. Merckle, they should be stripped of their titles, so we never have to think about them again.
Je suits Charlie.
This is absolutely a mockery of Markle.
considering how much we paid the price for St. Floyd's death - at this point I think Mr. Floyd himself would be laughing at it.
(and no - no one is laughing at his death. We are laughing at the cartoon.)
Ken B said...
Je suits Charlie.
"This is absolutely a mockery of Markle."
Not if you're black - and I get it - but George Floyd blows the point.
I feel so sorry for Megan. Its sad that someone forced her to her marry a Prince, worth $millions, and become a world-wide celebrity who gets paid $millions to talk on Oprah. And get this, Someone asked her if Archie was going to be dark skinned! OMG. Its lucky she's still walking. Not only that, but she and kate got into a fight before the wedding. Doors were slammed. Voices Raised. Flowers and Diamonds thrown around!
The poor dear. The poor, poor, dear. Its almost like an American Tragedy. Or 12 years as a Slave.
Charlie Hebdo gets it. Brilliant mocking of England, royalty, celebrity, and most importantly the woke politicization of George Floyd dying while being arrested. This is a full fledged hail of gunfire, like what happened to Breonna Taylor, against Wokeism.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
"St. Floyd"
Man, at some point, you guys are going to have to tell me how anyone is supposed to believe you guys think there's an America worth doing anything for, when you think this way about American lives. You gladly point out murder in Chicago, but show no more concern for human life than any gangbanger, so what gives?
I swear, you so-called conservatives are a poison to the body politic.
I am struck by those thinking this is a mockery of GF. It obviously is not, any more than a cartoon of Trump pretending he was being crucified say would be a mockery of Jesus. The cartoon is a comment on Markle's absurd and histrionic claims of victimhood. I mean, look at the portrayal of the 94 year old queen. It’s absurd, right? And the absurdity highlights the absurdity of seeing Markle as a victim.
Charlie Hebdo
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Mocking les Anglais! Mocking--quite gently if you ask me--the royals?
I must be missing something, if this is controversial, much less outrageous.
I thought of a nice way to end the monarchy in the UK. Charlie, being such a spiritual and Christian guy, as soon as mum is planted, declare the whole thing over like Gorbachev did in 1991, and start calling himself Mr. Winsor.
A public suicide for all the crimes and stupidities of his ilk would be a nice gesture too.
Narr
See, that's how you do outrageous
Lyle said...
"This is a full fledged hail of gunfire, like what happened to Breonna Taylor, against Wokeism."
If you guys invested as much in getting your heads right, we wouldn't have wokeism.
Ken B said...
"I am struck by those thinking this is a mockery of GF."
The next time their offices are hit, be sure and rejoice over their choices again.
Rubbing blacks raw - it's what's for life.
Crack
Imagine a cartoon showing Markle being nailed to the cross, while the queen, dressed as Pontus Pilate, watches as Prince Philip, dressed as a Roman centurion, pokes her with a lance.
Would you say that's a mockery of Jesus?
Crack - Calling him a saint is hardly offensive.
He is one, no?
How many black run businesses had to burn for him? By BLM and the white left antifa- the real poison. If you think I'm the problem - that's funny.
Is it interesting that we talk about how its important not to draw stereotypical features of Megan, but don't really mention the depiction of the queen (besides leg hair). The shine on Megan's face is important and a danger zone. The queen's big teeth and red eyes not so much. I guess.
Our hostess questions a previous comment, "Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose while being restrained according to the book," saying that this is not what the autopsy report says.
I believe that what the comment was saying is that Floyd was being "restrained according to the book." That the knee-on-neck manner of restraint was by-the-book, a technique taught in the police academy and even illustrated in a manual ("book") used by the police.
I expect that this will be asserted by the defense and controverted by the state, and it is not easily dismissed as fantasy. I've seen a "how-to-restrain" illustration from some sort of police manual purportedly used by the Minneapolis PD which DOES look somewhat like what Chauvin did to Floyd, and if I were Chauvin's lawyer, I'd be banging that drum pretty hard.
As to the fentanyl overdose, the ME did say that if all he had to go on was Floyd's body, he'd tag it an overdose death. No physical evidence of asphyxiation. The state tried to bury that statement, but it will be part of the case.
Forget it, Jake. It's Charlie Hebdo.
Crack,
If only George's death hadn't been used by people who never knew him to wage cultural and political warfare, which led to destruction and death itself last year. Then there would be no need to make a mockery of his passing, but it did and now it will be until this cultural and political war ends.
It would be so much better, would it not, that none of us even knew about George Floyd? So many more or killed each day in America, and we don't know them and frankly we don't have time to care. Yet, we should somehow give a shit about this guy, the Queen, and Megan Markle. Now that's hilarious.
HM's facial expression of sadistic glee--how does that fit into the George Floyd narrative, or vice versa?
Narr
I hope someone sends Harry and the mrs a copy!
You know what I think is hilarious? Turning George Floyd's self-administered lethal fentanyl overdose into an occasion for deadly and destructive "mostly peaceful protests". Yeah. Let's burn down the city to protest that moron's self-destruction.
Everyone's guilty but him. But it's OK. The city of Minneapolis just gave his non-supportive "family" $27 million. It's like Laquon McDonald here in Chicago: the guy had spent most of his life in foster care. His family was worthless. They get the multimillion dollar payoff for being unable to provide a proper home for him.
It's a good thing no one has to pay for this stuff...oh, wait...
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
Crack - Calling him a saint is hardly offensive.
He is one, no?
No - I'm an atheist - but some things do demand respect. The nation heard a common American citizen - a strong handsome black guy - die like a dog for no good reason.
If y'all want to keep creating a nightmare nation, that's on you, but that's what YOU are doing.
Robert Marshall is right. Althouse has misread “according to the book”.
Amadeus 48 - thank you.
Amadeus 48 said...
"You know what I think is hilarious? Turning George Floyd's self-administered lethal fentanyl overdose into an occasion for deadly and destructive "mostly peaceful protests". Yeah. Let's burn down the city to protest that moron's self-destruction."
Yes, I can see by your choice of avatar, you're a great guy to sort ethical issues.
You're all spawns of Satan - who you believe in - posing as humans.
Crack
The premise of the cartoon is that what happened to Floyd was real oppression, as opposed to the fake oppression claimed by an attention seeking celebrity.
Dr. Althouse: Markle is actively using accusations of racism to fend off criticism. This might work, for her and for many others, if the fear of these accusations is too intense. In that light, Charlie Hebdo is doing us a service, taking the heat, and — if you think about it the right way — contributing to racial progress.
The way John McWhorter thinks about it, in other words.
"if you think about it the white way"
FIFY
"... the drawing doesn't look much like her."
I agree. I could tell at a glance the depiction was of a POC.
Crack,
Maybe take a cue from Charlie Hebdo. If they can pick themselves up and move on after being butchered in a hail of gunfire, maybe you can too.
$27 Million Payoff for ODing While Resisting Arrest!! And isn't it cute that they did this RIGHT before the trial???
Amadeus
Laquon MacDonald was murdered, right? What his family was like really shouldn’t matter.
Ken B said...
Crack
The premise of the cartoon is that what happened to Floyd was real oppression, as opposed to the fake oppression claimed by an attention seeking celebrity.
If you read this thread, you did see I wrote "I get it" didn't you? Then why this patronizing?
Why can't you guys accept some things aren't funny to blacks - in any context? You seem to know what Jews don't need to see/hear but blacks are always fair game.
Lyle said...
Crack,
Maybe take a cue from Charlie Hebdo. If they can pick themselves up and move on after being butchered in a hail of gunfire, maybe you can too."
I lived in France and see what Charlie Hebdo causes there - chaos.
Like I said, you guys are ethical, nightmares, encouraging violence by picking on the defenseless.
Where's Charlie fuckling with white people - as white people?
Crack -
Levity.
Burning down whole sections of major cities including private businesses and civic property -- versus - a cartoon.
btw- nobody is happy with the way Mr. Floyd died. I wholly disagree with that police officer's knee blocking his airway. 100%. That officer is in jail awaiting trial.
bonus Mr. Floyd's death, in part, gave us Biden.
Charlie Hebdo picks on people who can't defend themselves and calls it comedy.
Crack - we are talking on a blog. You want unethical nightmares? - go talk to the doxxing antifa psychotic white left.
Crack,
Why do you need them to fuck with "white people - as white people"?
That said, are they not fucking with some "white people's" love for the Queen and other "white people's" love for Megan Markle? Does this not fit the bill of fucking with white people - as white people for you?
Well, Althouse, you’ve stopped calling George Floyd’s death a murder. That’s an improvement. You’ve grown up a little.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
"Burning down whole sections of major cities including private businesses and civic property -- versus - a cartoon."
You guys treat CENTURIES OF PENT-UP FURY OVER HORRIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES like an argument you had with your neighbor. It's your lack mod seriousness that makes everything so serious.
"btw- nobody is happy with the way Mr. Floyd died."
Nobody should be - policing in America is horrible and always has been.
"I wholly disagree with that police officer's knee blocking his airway. 100%. That officer is in jail awaiting trial."
I'm glad to hear it. I'm watching the proceedings. Not closely, because it gets me too worked up emotionally. This country should be able to do better.
"bonus Mr. Floyd's death, in part, gave us Biden."
Nah - we got sold out for a promise of $2,000.
George Floyd's death was comedy. You had only to see all the serious people responding to it.
Presumably the trial will bring this out.
It's a comedy of narratives taking over. That's always a great target. I use it all the time.
The smallest bit of a priori thinking would have prevented it taking over. But it was an opportunity, so there you are.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
"Crack - we are talking on a blog. You want unethical nightmares? - go talk to the doxxing antifa psychotic white left."
That's my other option: facebook.
Crack: “ Charlie Hebdo picks on people who can't defend themselves and calls it comedy”
You were just telling me you get it and that I was right the cartoon is mocking Markle. She can’t defend herself?
Charlie Hebdo also famously mocked dead terrorists, who certainly cannot defend themselves. Your objection is noted.
Ann Althouse said...
"It also highlights the ridiculousness of Markle claiming she couldn't breathe at Buckingham, compared to a drugged-out addict who killed himself with drugs to the point he couldn't breathe."
But Markle didn't actually say "I can't breathe." That's actually confusing. It makes you feel that those were her words, but they were not. She did at one point refer to getting "breathing room" after leaving the UK.
"Breathing room" means "A sufficient buffer of time, space, or money that allows for freedom of movement or relief from a given source of pressure or stress." That makes Markle's description of her fake distress akin to what GF really needed -- some Breathing Room The poor poor dear Meghan comparing herself to GF. Can't breathe due to the knee of oppressive white patriarchy. Whether that knee really is the cause for the distress for Meghan or GF is the open question the cartoon asks. Some people think there is no need to ask the question because the answer is so clear.
Ann Althouse said...
I wrote "the pain surrounding George Floyd" because I don't need to know exactly what really happened. Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain.
As with Floyd so with Markle. It's all about feelings, isn't it? It does appear to be so with you, Ann. We seem to be getting a run of posts about how you feel about her. Interesting posts and please don't stop. But they feel, to me anyway and perhaps to others judging by comments, to be about your feelings. They feel, to me, as if facts don't matter.
Charlie Marlow (I think that's how he spelt it) said:
"It’s queer how out of touch with truth women are. They live in a world of their own, and there has never been anything like it, and never can be. It is too beautiful altogether, and if they were to set it up it would go to pieces before the first sunset.
Some confounded fact we men have been living contentedly with ever since the day of creation would start up and knock the whole thing over."
-Joseph Conrad
John Henry
"pent up anger" - yeah - I get that.
Lyle said...
Crack,
Why do you need them to fuck with "white people - as white people"?
Fair Play. I don't mind an equal-opportunity humor magazine, but that's NOT what Charlie is.
"That said, are they not fucking with some "white people's" love for the Queen and other "white people's" love for Megan Markle? Does this not fit the bill of fucking with white people - as white people for you?"
Nope - look, I keep mentioning "ethics" and "morals", and in this battle Meghan and Harry are wrong. I'm no fan of Royalty - I hate Prince Charles - but I'm more interested in the right-and-wrong of things, than my own personal hobby horses.
I wish others were, too. We'd be a better nation quickly.
Ken B said...
Crack: “ Charlie Hebdo picks on people who can't defend themselves and calls it comedy”
You were just telling me you get it and that I was right the cartoon is mocking Markle. She can’t defend herself?
Blacks, generally, are in no position to protect ourselves - look at the difference between me being canceled and everyone else - my life is RUINED while you guys are inconvenienced at best.
My only grievance is using George Floyd. Not only should he not be used in this way but few blacks will understand the point because he was.
"Charlie Hebdo also famously mocked dead terrorists, who certainly cannot defend themselves. Your objection is noted."
They never picked on whites - as whites - as long as I lived there.
One of the things that sucks about getting older is seeing a cartoon like that and knowing you've seen a cartoon just like it dozens of times before.
Following up on my previous comment, here's the MPD's 'how-to-restrain' training illustration, showing cop's knee on suspect's neck:
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/former-officer-in-floyd-case-cites-mpd-training-on-neck-restraints/
"Laquon MacDonald was murdered, right? What his family was like really shouldn’t matter."
After McDonald's family let him down his entire life, they got millions of dollars from the city of Chicago paid for by the taxpayers. The poor fellow spent most of his life in foster care.
Cha-ding!
RE the window-pane shine: It looked to me like the cartoonist was suggesting that Meghan's cheeks were bulging out from her being pinned to the ground.
Crack
You seriously underestimate how savage CH has been to all kinds of white people. Example http://iranpoliticsclub.net/cartoons/charlie-hebdo-jesus/images/Christian%20Cartoon%20Pope%20Condom%20Charlie%20Hebdo.jpg
Chuck,
Cry for George Floyd or we won't let you attend our college? You're so white Chuck.
I've never, I don't think, seen an article that said something like "LeBron James, who is black, said..."
It's not necessary. One look and we know he is black.
Otoh, I don't think I've ever seen an article about Markle that did not mention she is black. Even Ann, in this post sort of does that.
It is hard to tell from her picture that she is black. Even the cartoon she looks white. Not pasty Caspar white like the queen, but flesh toned as a normal "white" person would look.
I've never gotten the fascination so many Americans, mostly women but plenty of men too have with British royalty and quasi-royalty like Markle. I'd never heard of her before and feel no worse for that. Now I hear about her daily BECAUSE she is perceived as a princess and BECAUSE she is black.
John Henry
Did Markle ever join in the "we can't breathe" chants from last summer? I know she supported those protests, but wonder if she ever communicated such words publicly.
Ken B said...
Crack
You seriously underestimate how savage CH has been to all kinds of white people.
I said they don't mock white people AS WHITE PEOPLE - as symbols of whiteness - the way Paul Mooney does, say. In that respect, they're cowardly - and unfair.
Boo hoo, Charlie Hebdo isn't mean to the right people!
I didn't know who Meghan was and that she is B/black until the media told me.
Narr
And I still don't care
I'm starting to agree with ST about Crack. Too bad.
Michael K said...
"I'm starting to agree with ST about Crack. Too bad."
Everybody take note: This is after I deliberately said nice things about Michael K and offered to play music with ST. What I got in return is Michael K calling me a liar about my childhood and ST haranguing me over race.
This is also after I had my discussion with ST a few days ago which proved ST is a liar - using links and his own words. Michael K's siding with him now.
This is why blacks will not drop our racial outlook: you're untrustworthy and letting our guard down is just asking for trouble.
George Floyd was a merciless predator who saw women like Althouse as prey.
I lived with predators like that SOB constantly attacking me and my family on the streets of Brooklyn during the crack epidemic.
Althouse has her head up her ass extending any pity to this man. Thugs like Floyd are the reason she bought a gun.
I wasn’t appalled or moved by the video in any way. I’d seen that bit of a cop trying to restrain some black thug while being taunted by a mob almost every day in Ft. Greene Park. I watched the video and rooted for the cop.
Thanks to Charlie Hebdo for mocking Althouse’s goofy sentimentalism. They did it just right.
The drawing is crude, but that is the style of all Charlie Hebdo covers; it's cartoonist won't be featuring in the New Yorker any time soon. As a Briton, I find the representation of the Queen and the imagery depicted makes me wince, especially since in reality the Queen has been rather emollient in the face of claims that have either already been debunked (as Oprah's political friends would say) or are unverifiable.
However, I don't think a battalion of the Household Cavalry or one of the Guards' regiments is going to be taking a short trip to Paris for some target practice. French magazines have been making things up about the British Royal Family for ever. I would however point out that the cartoon depicts Markle as far too visibly coloured; she's no browner than a typical aristocrat after a holiday on St Barts.
It's important that Charlie Hebdo avoided using stereotypical features in drawing Markle, but unfortunate that the drawing doesn't look much like her.
If they had drawn her with stereotypically "Black" features or facial structure -- lips, nose, etc. -- that would have been an even worse caricature failure because it wouldn't look like her at all. If anything, she looks vaguely Latina.
@Crack - I object to the construct of “centuries of pent up anger”. If such a thing exists, it must be available to all humans, unless only a particular group possesses this capacity. As most of us have some mixed pedigree, we first have to be angry within ourselves. So whatever non-African blood you might possess should be the recipient of the African blood you possess. And then there is the question of where to direct your anger. Do the descendants of German Union soldiers deserve the same amount as the descendants of Nigerians who sold yoir forebears to slave traders? Or is the anger just a general “you are always fucking with us” anger? And why do you want whitey to fuck with you more by giving you reparations? What if it turns out poorly?
Lese majeste. It used to be a crime to subject the royals to ridicule or even criticism. We've moved on. We've evolved. The Queen is no longer a sacred cow. The person who occupies the hallowed higher ground is now George Floyd. Any ridicule of him, even indirect ridicule as in this cartoon, is lese majeste.....I don't quite see what about George Floyd's life, accomplishments, and status elevates him to a state beyond criticism, but that's the way it is. If you can't see the sanctity of George Floyd, you will be made to see. How many fingers? A French cartoonist may be able to get away with this, but an American cartoonist would have lost his job.
My late wife was surrounded by a group of black thugs at high noon on Dekalb Avenue. They were trying to abduct her by pushing her into a van, while a black mob cheered them on.
By the grace of God, the cops happened to drive by.
I almost never tell this story, because the response of my own sister to hearing it was basically, my wife had to be at fault in some way and that I was a racist.
This, by the way, is the common response that white victims of black crime get, even from their own families. I’ve sort of formed a little group of them on Facebook.
I have zero sympathy for the George Floyds of this world.
I'm glad to hear it. I'm watching the proceedings. Not closely, because it gets me too worked up emotionally. This country should be able to do better.
"This country" has nothing to do with policing in Minneapolis. NOTHING
Policing is a neighborhood issue. Don't like it? Change it. Not by writing your congressman, or marching in DC. Talking to to Sargents, and Captains and Police Chiefs is the start. Bad policing in a City, like Minneapolis is the result of one party rule at the local level. Election of City Commissioners, Election of Police Chief, Election of City DA. Those elections dictate the life of George Floyd. Not the election of Al Franken, or Amy Klobuchar. They have zero power (or desire) to change anything about how a beat cop in Minneapolis treats its citizens.
Working under the impression the federal govt has the capacity...no... the desire to address any of the concerns I see you flog here, is a recipe for perpetual disappointment.
Here's a subject ripe for ridicule. Just recently there was a demonstration against police brutality in Nigeria. The demonstration against police brutality turned into a demonstration of police brutality. More than a dozen protesters were killed and several dozen wounded. I know about it because there was a report on BBC. There was a report on BBC because many Nigerians live in London, and they held a vigil there to protest the carnage. I haven't seen any more coverage since. Any Black person who dies in Africa protesting any injustice or tyranny except apartheid is destined to die unnoticed and unmourned. That's really funny.
I am angry that those Dakota Indians killed my wife's great grandmother's family in Minnesota in 1863. I am mad as hell about it.
But it seems kind of pointless. I sure hope they don't remove those Lincoln statues in Chicago because he wasn't nice enough to the murderers.
Rachel Meghan Markle[3] was born August 4, 1981, in Canoga Park, Los Angeles, California,[4] and identifies as being mixed-race.[5] Her parents divorced when she was six.[6][7] Markle has a close relationship with her African American mother, Doria Ragland.[8][9] Markle's European American father, Thomas Markle Sr.,[10] worked as a director of photography and lighting for Married... with Children, and Meghan frequently visited the set of the television series as a child.[11][12] She is estranged from her paternal half-siblings, Samantha Markle and Thomas Markle Jr.[13]
Growing up in Los Angeles,[14] Markle attended Hollywood Little Red Schoolhouse.[15][16] At age 11, she wrote to Procter & Gamble to gender-neutralize a dishwashing soap commercial on national television. Three months later, P&G changed the commercial.[17] She had her first paying job at age 13 in a frozen yogurt shop, called Humphrey Yogart.[18] She was raised as a Protestant,[19] but she graduated from Immaculate Heart High School, an all-girl Catholic school.[20] In 1999, Markle was admitted to Northwestern University (NU) in Evanston, Illinois, where she joined Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority.[21][22] After her junior year, she interned at the American embassy in Buenos Aires and considered a political career.[23][24] However, she did not score high enough in the Foreign Service Officer Test to proceed further with the US State Department,[25] and returned to NU. She also attended a study abroad program in Madrid.[22] In 2003, Markle earned her bachelor's degree with a double major in theater and international studies from Northwestern's School of Communication.[25][23]
Yep, pretty much the epitome of the Black experience.
@Crack: The nation heard a common American citizen - a strong handsome black guy - die like a dog for no good reason.
@Althouse: Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain. It was subjective to them and their feelings, which are real, are appropriated.
Shelby Steele has some important things to say about the differences between poetic truth and objective truth.
Both of you have chose the former.
In a less patient time, she would have gotten the boleyn parr seymour treatment
The crying to his momma routine didn't do much for me either.
I figured Floyd was playing to the crowd and trying to get the crowd to attack the cop.
The guy was a playa. He played Althouse.
The French have a strange relation to royalty. They certainly don't want to be ruled by kings and queens themselves, but the public soaks up any news relating to minor European royals who Americans have never heard of. Charlie Hebdo hates anything that can be seen as representing traditional authority, especially religion. They're adolescent in that way. It was strange to see people they hated proclaiming "I am Charlie" over and over.
Private Eye, the English satire sheet, is more even-handed, cynically dumping on everybody, including those who think they're anti-Establishment rebels. Le Canard enchainé, the more respectable alternative to Charlie, is also more palatable (or at least as much of it as I could understand was) than Charlie Hebdo. Viz is or was to Private Eye more or less what Charlie was to Le Canard.
AA, I love most of your posts, but his post is over the top. It also exhibits that you've bought into the "racial wokeness" business 'lock stock and barrel'. Just read and reflect on this posted comment - "...if you think about it the right way — contributing to racial progress..."? I can't think of a more ignorant set of comments by Harry and Meghan which was not backed up by specifics or facts. Rather, their comments do more to harm "racial progress" because it's directed at a bunch of 'Elites' trying to be accepted into the world's wretched Elites. Harry and Meghan were signaling to the corporate media, Big Tech, and left-wing Hollywood — 'Hey, we are one of you. Let us in'.
The Crack Emcee,
Charlie Hebdo picks on people who can't defend themselves and calls it comedy.
Oh, I think Ms. Markle in her new $14M pad is probably capable of defending herself. And considering that Charlie Hebdo's last appearance in the news involved about half their staff being shot dead by people angered by the cover, I'd say they take on the difficult cases, on principle.
I am listening to Crack's first man cancelled work.
https://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2021/03/first-man-canceled-update-yall-done.html
At the 11 minute mark, I would say it has a Talking Heads meet Gil-Scott Heron or The Last Poets sort of vibe.
Well, yeah, that’s why Crack is really here, to promote his blog at Althouse’s expense.
She used to send people to his site, but he insulted and ridiculed her relentlessly, so she stopped.
Crack is a very damaged man, but the damage is almost impossible to deal with. Here’s the pattern:
1. “Help me, help me, I’m a poor abandoned kid with no place to go.”
2. Some dumb ass tries to help him.
3. “You’re a fucking racist and my problems are all your fault.”
Are they on minute 14:58, the french have their own bete noires in the ban lieus who they sent to places like la sante prison, which makes gitmo look like club med.
Diversity [dogma], not limited to racism, is, unfortunately, a progressive condition, that has been normalized by political, social, and democratic elites when deemed politically congruent.
I remember the journal pointed out vichy prefect paul touvier passing around the tome the french were on their high horse over rodney king.
Rene bousquet was another official who seeved practically no jail time was rehabilitated by his good friend mitterand who enabled him to join the board of the bank of indochina.
The russians chitter on about gitmo where as their filtration pits in chechnya are a horror out of the middle ages.
One step forward, two steps backward.
Private Eye, the English satire sheet, is more even-handed, cynically dumping on everybody, including those who think they're anti-Establishment rebels.
Good for Private Eye for exposing the insidiousness of rebels, non-profits, public servants, corporations, special and peculiar interests, advocates and activists who ostensibly fight from the sideline, from the backcourt, for the frontline.
Charlie Hebdo is a French publication and it doesn't have to submit to American sensibilities about how race issues are addressed. Why should it? But it's typically American to insist that everyone else in the world fall in line. Which is partly what's being satirized here.
But Charlie Hebdo wants to be outrageous... so it is immune to any criticism people might choose to lob.
I wouldn't say they are immune to criticism. I'd say some of their staff aren't immune to bullets lobbed their way.
I note in passing that this magazine cover will not be the basis for the beheading of anyone, and Charlie Hebdo need not fear an armed attack on its office because they published it. Would that one could state the same about all magazine covers.
When will the real but subjective feelings of a propagandized public be replaced by the objective reality of factual details of events?
Their sole purpose as a magazine is to be outrageous...just doing what they do.
Like liberals bitching about equity or the sun rising in the east...
Fantastic! Fuck George Floyd and Mutt Markle.
I will go with Doug, poster number three at 0800. Predominant thought while reading Althouse's post: how does the the Charlie Hebdo cover invoke "race?" Where is Althouse finding that?
"What I don’t get is who decides Markle is “black” when she has *one-quarter* African-American ancestry. Who decided — and why does the world accept — that a single drop of blood defines one’s ethnicity?"
Yeah...kind of this. As I've said before, I'm half Italian and darker than Meghan. By a couple of shades in the summer.
I'm sure the libs will say, 'Because she identifies as black.'
But if I identify as Native American I still won't get my casino stipend every month no matter how many times I sit in a sweat lodge.
How can you face discrimination for being black when nobody knows you're black?
I din't know Meghan was black when I first saw photos of her. I didn't know Kamala Harris was black when I first saw her photo either...I assumed she was Indian based on her name.
Why is Tiger Woods hailed as the greatest black golfer when he is more Asian than he is black?
Why can't the greatest golfer in history be Asian? Is it because Asians aren't stereotypically considered athletic?
We live in a silly world.
This is where the corrupt left and the psychotic antifa woke are taking us.
In suits her father wendell pierce was black her mother was white.
Like liberals bitching about equity or the sun rising in the east...
When you service your faith at the Twilight Fringe, the rising of the sun, the dawn of a new day, a survivor of Planned Parent/hood, is a macro aggression. That said, liberalism is a divergent ideology, tribal, factional, generational, etc.
George's people got their $27 million under super-attorney Benjamin Crump
The progressive price of fentanyl is a compelling cause to keep the supply line to China open and inclusive.
When it comes to racism, the French are tone-deaf in the extreme.
In this case, Charlie Hebdo missed their opportunity: the personalities should be reversed with the Queen under Markle's boot. After all, it is the young lady who is playing the race card to take down the Queen.
Perhaps this is the high-water mark in the Cancel Culture movement?
In suits her father wendell pierce was black her mother was white.
And Markle is white in form and color, and dare I say it, privilege. A Jew of social justice past. Yeah, she's not White-Mexican-Hispanic-American. Not that diversity matters.
That said, diversity of individuals, minority of one. #HateLovesAbortion
Growing up in Los Angeles,[14] Markle attended Hollywood Little Red Schoolhouse, etc.
Yep, pretty much the epitome of the Black experience.
One does wonder if Markle has sought "to pass" when it was to her advantage to do so.
A person who has traded on her privilege throughout life, only to now cry victimhood, isn't likely to deserve or get much sympathy.
Michael K calling me a liar about my childhood
Poor Crack. I said you must be 100 years old. Now, I am thinking maybe 120.
Charlie Hebdo is also quite French, which means there is some baked- in conflict with the British royals.
4. The most outrageous part — if I consult my own sensitivity — is the appropriation of the pain surrounding George Floyd for a comical presentation. The second most outrageous part is connecting Markle to Floyd because she is black.
George Flyod was a drug addict killed by a drug overdose.
He passed a counterfeit $20 to a store, bought something with it, and got change. They went to him, and said "hey, hit sis counterfeit." They offered him two choices: give them a different $20, or else give them their goods and money back.
Presumably they offered to give back the $20. At least, I haven't read anything claiming otherwise.
Floyd refused both options. The converted him from the unwitting victim of having been passed a fake $20, to a thief.
They called the cops
He actively resisted arrest arrest.
They pinned him to the ground.
He died form his drug overdose.
Sorry, I don't see anything in there that should cause me to have sympathy for, or in any way care about, George Floyd.
The people who built that up into "Saint George" deserve to be mocked.
It is outrageous and racist to define people because of their skin color.
BLM is outrageous and racist
"Affirmative Action" is outrageous and racist
Defining "Diversity" by the color of people's skin is outrageous and racist
Advancing "equity" based on skin color is outrageous and racist
When we've dealt with all those outrageous and racist evils, then I'll worry about the Charlie Hebdo cover
Ann Althouse said...
I wrote "the pain surrounding George Floyd" because I don't need to know exactly what really happened. Millions of people experienced a video and felt pain. It was subjective to them and their feelings, which are real, are appropriated.
No.
Your "subjective reality" is meaningly bullshit
Your "personal truth" is an admission that you're lying
The only thing that matters is teh truth, and actual reality
"I was manipulated by the press into feeling certain things" is a message to you that you should grow up, a nd stop letting yourself be manipulated.
If you're not willing to do that, they you deserve every shred of mockery that comes your way.
Stop being an emotional and intellectual child
Narr said...
Boo hoo, Charlie Hebdo isn't mean to the right people!
No - they're not mean to ALL people.
Oso Negro said...
@Crack - I object to the construct of “centuries of pent up anger”.
Good thing it's not up to you.
Lyle said...
Crack,
Why do you need them to fuck with "white people - as white people"?
Because they use blacks and arabs as symbols. Whites should be used the same way. France is a colonial country. Their racism is different from here.
I've read that the Harry and Meghan interview was a bust in terms of bolstering (garnering) their public image. The opposite happened, as perfectly represented by the mockery in the Charlie Hebdo cartoon. If it is ever possible to mock a Black person, which is debatable, then Meghan claiming victimhood at her Montecito estate is a worthy target imo. Do I see all Black people as victims, or all Black people demanding to be seen as victims? No and no.
I don't see the cartoon as something belittling George Floyd's death. I also believe that we can differ on whether he was a figure deserving veneration. The manner of his death was horrible but does that mean we can never speak honestly about him, his life, his medical condition and his toxicology report? If you are critical of him do you risk being considered a racist? Yes. We're also not allowed to question why and exactly who organized the protests in his name or the three funerals with gold caskets and the riots and the protests during a pandemic when people were urged to stay home? Was there really something special about him or was the movement orchestrated for political purposes? I acknowledge he became a global figure who represented and maybe still does represent something bigger than himself.
Now he is someone who has proved that Black Lives Matter thanks to the $27 million wrongful death settlement. Or does he? Do all Blacks get to cash in or get any benefit, or just Ben Crump's clients? Yeah, just Ben Crump and his clients get the benefits, suckers. Well the family is going to spend $500K to spruce up the spot where GF was killed, so there's that benefit to the public. And that's called justice. (Just us.) Y'all who were protestors and rioters, put up signs, you are just unpaid extras. Seems hollow to me.
iowan2 said...
"This country" has nothing to do with policing in Minneapolis. NOTHING
I grew up with three guys who became cops and lived under South Central, Los Angeles policing.
The policing in this country SUCKS.
Go watch a ball game or something and STFU, Crack.
hstad said...
AA, I love most of your posts, but his post is over the top. It also exhibits that you've bought into the "racial wokeness" business 'lock stock and barrel'.
I know white racists by how focused they are on woke and not Bill Clinton's four rape accusers.
I know asshole idiots by whether they rant like Crack.
Michelle Dulak Thomson said...
The Crack Emcee,
Charlie Hebdo picks on people who can't defend themselves and calls it comedy.
Oh, I think Ms. Markle in her new $14M pad is probably capable of defending herself.
You guys are so immature - I talk about the magazine and you take this one example and say "false" - it's like talking to children.
We may be immature, but you’re broke and psychotic and a fucking asshole to boot.
Oso Negro said...
I am listening to Crack's first man cancelled work
Thanks. You're the second person here to mention it without trying to use it as a weapon.
Let’s Rumble!
You couldn’t pay me to listen to to Crack’s shit.
It’s bad enough putting up with his asshole act here.
Sally327 said...
Charlie Hebdo is a French publication and it doesn't have to submit to American sensibilities about how race issues are addressed. Why should it? But it's typically American to insist that everyone else in the world fall in line. Which is partly what's being satirized here.
I lived in France for almost two and a half years, and traveled there for twenty. I know Charlie all too well and he's a pussy.
Illinois 11, OSU 5.
Pretty good game.
Its mad magazine with a target on their back.
Daniel Jackson said...
When it comes to racism, the French are tone-deaf in the extreme.
I know - but that won't stop these white folks from defending them, because they're also white - everybody white must be innocent and perfect and wear the white hat on a white horse before a White House that beams whiteness to a white heaven where all white goodness goes.
They can't be humans with a horrible colonial history of brutally abusing anyone they felt like because guns and now get weird about it like here. That's not possible.
There must be 100% good.
How’s the “Listen to me or you’re a fucking racist!” PR campaign going, Crack?
You’re a marketing genius.
I'm no fan of the French. Last time I was there (1977) I was grossed out by their obsession with eating and f**king.
Greg The Class Traitor said...
"I was manipulated by the press into feeling certain things" is a message to you that you should grow up, a nd stop letting yourself be manipulated.
Oh, so the press made him whimper as he died under a white man's knee. I see. And that's never wrongly happened before, in America, right? Blacks dying wrongly at the hands of whites? I've just been ":manipulated" over that fact of centuries, right?
You guys are racists trying your best to justify it, just like the racists of old
Crack: “Racism! Blah! Blah! Blah!”
Somebody else says something:
“White people! Blah! Blah! Blah!”
Repeat unto the end of time.
What a fucking boring, obnoxious asshole you are, Crack.
Shouting Thomas said...
How’s the “Listen to me or you’re a fucking racist!” PR campaign going, Crack?
3/14/21, 2:54 PM
Pretty well in the broader sense. Of course, if Crack was more like Clarence Thomas, or even Candace Owens, I suspect he'd be a lot happier.
I think if you are Black you are going to identify with George Floyd in a way that White people probably do not. White people look at what happened in a more objective manner. How did this guy get into this situation? It didn't all happen to him, he had made decisions which brought him to that place. When I saw the full video of him in his car with two people with him and then learned how stoned out he was, I was thinking what if he hadn't been apprehended by police? What if he had driven in that condition and caused an accident and the death of another person or persons who actually were innocent? That never seems to occur to anyone or has never been mentioned that I've seen.
doctrev said...
"if Crack was more like Clarence Thomas, or even Candace Owens, I suspect he'd be a lot happier."
Two blacks who can't go around the rest without bodyguards? No thanks.
You guys buy that hype.
So, I think we got the message quite a while ago, Crack:
It’s racist not to kiss your ass or to not buy your music or to not recognized what a monumental genius you are.
You ever going to come up with another riff, or is that it?
Rosalyn C. said...
I think if you are Black you are going to identify with George Floyd in a way that White people probably do not.
This is a good assumption.
White people look at what happened in a more objective manner.
Some - others seriously do mental gymnastics and it's easily seen.
How did this guy get into this situation?
400 years ago,...
It didn't all happen to him, he had made decisions which brought him to that place.
Really? Or has his life been guided by American policy for generations? Where his people could live? Where his people could work? Are all blacks really masters of their own destinies yet - some with generations in the projects?
When I saw the full video of him in his car with two people with him and then learned how stoned out he was, I was thinking what if he hadn't been apprehended by police?
White people rever get stoned? I've seen them stoned - talking about how stoned they got the night before.
What if he had driven in that condition and caused an accident and the death of another person or persons who actually were innocent?
Now he';s guilty of your paranoid fantasies - nice. Blacks MUST be guilty of *something* - that's as factual as whites are always innocent.
That never seems to occur to anyone or has never been mentioned that I've seen.
Because most people do not find their assumptions of others possible future actions punishable.
Jesus, blacks are doomed with you guys around.
Kinda interesting running into a white guy you can’t play, ain’t it Crack?
"if Crack was more like Clarence Thomas, or even Candace Owens, I suspect he'd be a lot happier." I think the comment does not refer to their fame but their philosophy. Ironic that Crack misses that.
Crack has seemed to crave attention and fame, and knows you can't be successful in show business without being famous, so maybe he should rethink that goal given his stated desire to not want to live with paid security.
No, Crack, you’re doomed.
Few people are as fucked up as you.
See you around. I gotta do my yoga.
So Crack thinks that Black people are solely passive victims. George Floyd never made a decision based on his own thinking. That's not saying much for Black people, especially the ones who have taken charge of their own destinies. Kind of have to pretend they don't exist to go along with Crack's views.
She's black? Maybe on your next trip out of Madison go someplace with real black people so you'll know the difference.
Not to belabor the obvious, anyone who is driving stoned or drunk is a threat to public safety and a danger to others. The race of the person is insignificant. I can't imagine defending someone driving impaired because he or she is Black and what happened to Black people and slavery, or using the defense that White people get stoned too as if I ever excused Whites. I never did. Crack's arguments are getting irrational -- the definition of bigotry.
Rosalyn C. said...
So Crack thinks that Black people are solely passive victims.
How did what I said get translated into THAT? Your minds are spoken extreme, everything comes out as crazy when you say it.
Maybe if you guys would get your head out of this "victim" mindset of your own - where no one gets hurt in America but the people Erin Brokovitch knows - you wouldn't sound so clueless to your fellow citizens.
You guys are nothing MPC's, mouthing conservative dogma whether it fits the real world or not.
Rosalyn C. said...
"Crack has seemed to crave attention and fame,..."
Bullshit - Crack thinks he has a better argument than you idiots and it should be heard - not the same thing.
I'd deliver it wearing a paper bag if I had to.
The Crack Emcee said...
The policing in this country SUCKS.
Yes, it often does.
Got any countries where it's better?
OTOH: here's your reality check:
If you resist arrest, you are going to lose, and you should lose.
If you violently / "actively" resist arrest, you are probably going to get injured, and you deserve to get injured.
Because you're starting a fight. And having decided that someone is going to get injured (which is what "starting a fight" means), I can see no reason why you shouldn't be the one getting injured.
Are you being arrested by racist cops for no good reason? Sue them. Later. For now you're getting arrested, and if you want a chance of any sympathy, or a winning lawsuit, you should just go with the cops
Because if you resist teh arrest, YOU are the problem
The Crack Emcee,
You guys are so immature - I talk about the magazine and you take this one example and say "false" - it's like talking to children.
No, Crack, We were talking about this specific cover -- you know, the one Ann put up for us to discuss -- so it isn't "this one example," it's the whole point of the discussion. I repeat that Meghan Markle is the most pathetic excuse for a "victim" that I've seen in some years. She is absolutely fair game, and she could at least attempt to hurt Charlie Hebdo, although admittedly it would be a pretty dumb move, considering how deep the doo-doo is already.
And the other example I used is probably the last time Americans heard of Charlie Hebdo, and real people ended up really dead. So, again, it's not as though they take on the easy cases. It's a sample of two, yes, and we know all about how much better you know the zine than we poor American suckers do, but that is the reality we see. Deal.
Next, to really cement the George Floyd analogy, they could have the Queen pointing a gun at the pregnant Markle's belly.
Markle is not black, by any reasonable definition.
Blogger Shouting Thomas said...
No, Crack, you’re doomed.
Few people are as fucked up as you.
3/14/21, 3:22 PM
I don't agree with this S.T. Whatever else you can say about Crack, he is fairly irrepressible and doesn't really sit in anyone's tree but his own, which I find admirable whether I agree with him or not. Further, he keeps taking the trouble to try to explain himself here and the only thing that runs as a theme through his efforts is that "white people just don't get it". Hell, what if he's right? Maybe we don't.
The Crack Emcee said...
Two blacks who can't go around the rest without bodyguards? No thanks.
3/14/21, 3:12 PM
If you're so down with the hood, why do you loiter around the whitest of whitebread lawyers and her Republican commentariat?
Oso Negro said...
Further, he keeps taking the trouble to try to explain himself here and the only thing that runs as a theme through his efforts is that "white people just don't get it". Hell, what if he's right? Maybe we don't.
3/14/21, 6:04 PM
It's quite possible. Just as whites find it increasingly difficult to understand black resentment in the face of overwhelming black cultural dominance. The underclass rarely shares in the benefits, which just may increase their resentment.
It's the kind of mix that usually leads to large-scale violence on behalf of one faction or more.
Crack says, "Bullshit - Crack thinks he has a better argument than you idiots and it should be heard - not the same thing."
I must have missed that cogent argument. I didn't realize that all the links to Crack's site, and only Crack's site, are part of a logical and rational argument, and not merely an expression of his personal beliefs and his desire to be heard. What I've noticed is his constant suggestion that he represents all "Blacks" in their shared opinions, and that all "Whites" in the US have a shared opinion, has not been persuasive.
But please do try to make your argument whatever it is. I do agree that racism is real and that Whites have very little comprehension of the effects of that on Blacks. Is that the point you've tried to make here? And your belief that the solution to all that is financial reparations?
Crack should settle on one line and keep to it. Yesterday Honkiedom was DOOMED and B/blacks were the rising race, today B/blacks are DOOMED! Did I miss some important news overnight?
Crack keeps bitching and moaning about W/white people as if, at 60, he hasn't let his own claim-- that we won't listen, learn, and reform--sink into his noggin. Hell, centuries or more ago proud B/black men were already operating on that assumption, and they turned to themselves--what were THEY going to do? Many of them did a lot for themselves and their communities. That's history as much as slavery is.
You want us to go to your site, but after the hostility you display here why would we? I have been there a couple of times, but here you won't even let people agree with you with any grace.
Here's a thought, from a W/white comic FWIW: there are no two separate peoples on the planet who are more alike than black Americans and white Americans. And I'll add that only dangerous fools think that in case of widespread social breakdown or war about race in the USA, any group will be able to avoid a multiverse of pain.
Speaking of B/black writers, sure, I like the stalwarts like Williams and [brainfart] OK, but I'm not a fanatic; Loury, McWhorter, Steele, Owens, great--why WOULDN'T educated W/white folks (at least some of them) like what they say?
But, WTF do you think their audience is compared to Chappelle (you mentioned Paul "Negrodamus" Mooney), or Key and Peale, or even the bottom-dwellers like Saturday Night Living Death? A few old white liberals (you assure us real B/blacks hate them) vs the whole of the medication-athletainment complex that has taken over so much of everyone's economic and cultural lives.
Speaking for myself I've watched and enjoyed Chappelle and K&P much more than I've read the folks you loathe so.
Narr
You are one sorry recruiting sergeant
Not bad mockery from the cheese-eating surrender monkeys.
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