February 14, 2021
"The blowback against the seven Republican senators who supported former President Donald J. Trump’s conviction in his impeachment trial has begun."
"In Louisiana, the state Republican Party’s executive committee voted unanimously on Saturday to censure Senator Bill Cassidy, who was just re-elected in November and was among those who voted to find Mr. Trump guilty. The state’s Republican attorney general, Jeff Landry, said Mr. Cassidy had 'fallen into the trap laid by Democrats to have Republicans attack Republicans.'
Two of the Republicans who voted for conviction, Senators Richard M. Burr of North Carolina and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania, are not seeking re-election next year.... Of the seven Republicans who voted to convict Mr. Trump, only one of them, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, will be on the ballot in 2022. But she is a uniquely formidable candidate in her state, having once won re-election as a write-in candidate after losing a primary."
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Paging Sarah Palin! Paging Sarah Palin!
I think this was the goal from the start.
Paint the GOP as divided.
We will be less divided when the traitors are gone though.
I pray Sarah runs against Lisa and sends that treacherous wench back to her igloo.
Just insane as to these false politicians of any party who's only concern is keeping the status quo and enhancing their power
It really comes down to the fact that GOP voters will not tolerate globalist shills in our ranks that sell us out when there is some grift to be grifted.
The Republican party has never been more unified than it is now. Trump actually made the things we want happen. Every republican leader will be judged on that standard now.
It really is a small number of traitors that snuck in. The GOP is less divided than the democrat party.
They are still rioting and burning shit down by the way.
Let's you and them fight!
Is Srah Palin still popular in Alaska?
I'm fine with her, but - I want someone formidable to make sure Murkowski LOSES.
I can respect the seven but why isn't the respect mutual?
I mean here they go again, pundits trying to figure out legal ploys to keep Trump out of office. It makes me defensive of him just from a sense of fairness
Truth is, until covid he was cruising to victory and it scared the shit out of them.
But no, cui bono doesn't make it a plot. But the pandemic was the best damn luck the Dems ever had.
unit covid. Chi com covid helped the corrupt democraticals.
never forget. They would slaughter the world for power.
Sarah Palin? seriously? I just heard Lindsay GRaham talk about Lara Trump running for Senator in North Carolina. Who would actually vote for either one of them. Gag me
Vicki from Pasadena
My entire family, my law firm, my home is under siege now.
The Democrats and their vichy GOP allies are running the Nazi playbook with little variation.
victoria said...
Sarah Palin? seriously? I just heard Lindsay GRaham talk about Lara Trump running for Senator in North Carolina. Who would actually vote for either one of them. Gag me
Vicki from Pasadena
Democrats hate women that are smarter and more accomplished than they are.
"Sarah Palin? seriously?"
Yes you know like the Sarah Palin that was elected governor of Alaska.
Seven American heroes. All profiles in courage. We should be applauding them.
What I find interesting is that Nancy Pelosi clearly expected Trump to be convicted.
And it is clear that Nancy made a deal with Mitch McConnell at some point and fully expected Mitch to deliver.
There is some shit going on behind the curtain.
These people are constantly talking and maneuvering and we are not seeing 1% of what they or their 20+ person staffs are doing.
Mitch also clearly did not object to the fabrication of evidence and perjury and was clearly on the side of the people that want Trump out of the picture.
These are all rats and they are acting like they are on a sinking ship.
Arturo Ui said...
Seven American heroes. All profiles in courage. We should be applauding them.
OK you didn't need to make it that obvious.
You need to be a more subtle moby on your next handle.
Noted Maoist from Pasadena expresses incredulity that a non-leftist could be elected to statewide office in competitive/red states even though one of them already had been elected Governor.
Such is the state of thinking in the American Soviet Party.
Recall the Soviets labeled Christians and Jewish Refusniks in the Soviet Union as legally insane for belief in God and wanting to be actually free.
The Soviet government claimed that humans could ONLY be "free" if the government controlled society and provided all required food and services to the masses.
The Left/LLR-left lauded and sided with the Soviets then and are close to fulfilling their Soviet dreams here.
D. said...
"Sarah Palin? seriously?"
Yes you know like the Sarah Palin that was elected governor of Alaska.
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I doubt that the good people of Alaska have forgotten that Palin couldn't even finish her single term as governor. The lure of full-time right-wing celebrity was too strong for her.
Sasse is finished here in Nebraska. That I can tell you.
I'm sure the senators' new friends will appreciate their sacrifices, for perhaps a minute and a half.
Achilles said...
OK you didn't need to make it that obvious.
You need to be a more subtle moby on your next handle.
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Yes indeed, I am saying what I mean and meaning what I say. Boy you really caught me there.
There will be no reckoning for Senator Collins, the vote to convict will likely help her next time she's up in purple Maine. She has lost my vote though. Her naivete of thinking her voting on principle against President Trump will get her friends among the Democrats and lead to greater cross aisle engagement is surprising and pathetic.
David Begley said...
Sasse is finished here in Nebraska. That I can tell you.
2/14/21, 11:43 AM
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Six years is a long time. A lot of Nebraska voters might easily get over Donald Trump in that period.
stevew said...
There will be no reckoning for Senator Collins, the vote to convict will likely help her next time she's up in purple Maine. She has lost my vote though. Her naivete of thinking her voting on principle against President Trump will get her friends among the Democrats and lead to greater cross aisle engagement is surprising and pathetic.
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She did the right thing. History will be on her side, and I believe Maine voters will be too.
"I doubt that the good people of Alaska have forgotten that Palin couldn't even finish her single term as governor. The lure of full-time right-wing celebrity was too strong for her."
"The United States Senate career of Barack Obama began on January 3, 2005, and ended on November 16, 2008."
This is too easy.
You gotta be kidding me. The only blowback there could possible be is from the donor class. The same exact donor class that funds the commies (D).
These assholes never cared what their constituents think or want. Never had to, and now they don't even have to hide it
I'm so old I remember when the Democrats couldn't muster a single vote to impeach Clinton, even though everyone agreed he had perjured himself.
Here we get 7 Senators to vote against Trump for a set of charges that couldn't stand up in an actual court of law.
Sasse was just re-elected.
How is he finished? Geeez GOP - find better people.
You are correct 6 years is a long time. That is why the GOPe must be brought to heel now.
Little Old Lady from Pasadena is asking to be gagged. Film at Eleven...
The "blowbacK' is merely each elected official being confronted by his or her own constituents. This is perfectly normal and healthy.
Joe Smith said...
"The United States Senate career of Barack Obama began on January 3, 2005, and ended on November 16, 2008."
This is too easy.
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Your comparison is dead on arrival, since Obama resigned his Senate seat because he was elected president, while Palin resigned her governorship because she did not feel like doing it anymore. She was not pursuing a higher office or anything else other than cashing in on the Tea Party media circuit, which was a whole lot easier than being governor (or president, for that matter).
What the hell is wrong with the Alaska GOP that they haven't followed Wyoming's and Louisiana's leads?
Look at Insty’s post on the NYT and Slate Star Codex
Or greenwald on NYT and Sisnick
Or Douglas Murray on NYT and Aayan Hirsi Ali.
Or any report on the NYT and MacNeil.
The NYT is a lying disreputable propaganda outfit.
Six years is a long time. A lot of Nebraska voters might easily get over Donald Trump in that period.
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I dunno.
Some people might remember even more than 6 years under Obama and median household income went down and then nowhere.
3 years under trump and not only was it at record highs but it had gone up more in 3 years than in living memory.
now we're looking at another obama era of socialism but now on steroids so it's safe to say median income will once again go nowhere, at best, stay down at worst.
some people might remember.
"Here we get 7 Senators to vote against Trump for a set of charges that couldn't stand up in an actual court of law."
Republicans are the stupid party.
David Begley said...
Sasse is finished here in Nebraska. That I can tell you.
Hope you're right but doubt it. Six years from now your quisling senator's vote will be all but forgotten. And if not a just a distant memory, it will not be enough of one to sufficiently rile the voters. It just doesn't work like that. Besides, he's going to be going for the anti-Trump(ism) Repub primary candidate in '24.
Obama used the senate as a stepping stone to the White House.
He had no other reason to run for it.
As usual, it was all about him.
Palin resigned her governorship because she did not feel like doing it anymore.
BS. Per Wiki:
A source close to Palin said, "Attacks inside Alaska and largely invisible to the national media had paralyzed her administration [and] she was no longer able to do the job she had been elected to do.[74] Essentially, the taxpayers were paying for Sarah to go to work every day and defend herself."[177] Palin and her husband Todd had personally incurred more than $500,000 in legal fees defending against ethics charges brought against her as governor even though all the complaints were dismissed.
In other words, this was a dress rehearsal for what the Democrats would do to Trump, or any other Republican elected President.
Achilles said...What I find interesting is that Nancy Pelosi clearly expected Trump to be convicted.
Pelosi will be remembered by her admirers for having failed twice to have taken conviction into account before pushing through sham impeachments I & II. Recall that her instincts told her to hold back impeachment I. Covid-19 was first breaking then and she should have listened to her gut.
Pelosi will be remembered by her detractors for her "let them eat ice cream" moment regarding Covid-19.
Cancel culture deplorables like
The comments by Arturo Ui remind me of Ritmo. Same thinking. Same quirks.
Achilles: "And it is clear that Nancy made a deal with Mitch McConnell at some point and fully expected Mitch to deliver."
This was clearly the deal, otherwise why even execute the impeachment?
The answer? McConnell and Schumer and Pelosi cut the deal after Jan 6 believing the could turn their Reichstag Fire into a 17 republican Senate impeachment juggernaut joined with the democraticals/Soviets to get Trump.
What McConnell did NOT count on was the narrative collapses that occurred before the Senate vote.
McConnell and Schumer and the Pelosi really did believe they could keep the Sicknick lies and antifa participation and the democratical refusal to provide security secret long enough to push this through.
That explains the behind the scenes arguments on the republican side after Graham and Cruz etc decided the entire jig was up.
Then, the democraticals became so desperate after snap polls showed they'd failed again with their lies and doctored evidence that they attempted to insert witnesses.
Ill bet McConnell and Schumer cut a deal that ONLY Soviet witnesses would be called and allowed at which point Cruz and Cotton and Graham and Hawley and Paul and a few others piped up and said: not a chance. This is becoming far too obvious and ridiculous. If the Soviets are allowed to call witnesses then so will we.
Which is why the "witness deal" only lasted 2 hours and then was yanked.
So McConnell failed Pelosi twice in 24 hours: he didnt deliver the Soviet Witnesses Only deal and then he failed to deliver the 17 republican Senators he promised her and Schumer in mid-January.
Thus, McConnells over the top statement pist-acquital and Pelosi's scorned lover act at the post-acquital presser.
Only 1 fact pattern explains the actions, statements and timeline of all major players: McConnell cut a deal in Jan with dems to get Trump and then failed to deliver.
Most interesting exit questions:
1) Which 7 republicans pledged support to McConnell in mid-January but then bailed on him at the Trial vote? I suspect that list includes Cornyn, Thune and Graham. Murkowski will cut a deal with the democraticals in Alaska and will try to drag the fakecon "republicans" in Alaska over with her in a bid to eke out a win in 2022 over the republican candidate.
2) What retribution, if any, will be targeted at those 7 republicans that gave McConnell confidence he had the 17 votes needed to convict?
"The Democrats and their vichy GOP allies are running the Nazi playbook with little variation."
What will the democratic Nazis do next? A violent insurrection at the Capitol perhaps?
As for Trump's lawyer, I agree that it was highly foreseeable there would be some blowback, esp given his tough-guy style. Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig. Being a celeb was more important than their welfare I guess.
This isn't cancel culture, Howie. Cancel culture is when people get bloodthirsty over people outside their control. This business is between elected officials and their constituents. It's more like an employer/employee relationship. You are tacitly supporting lack of accountability.
Nice analysis Drago...could very well have happened that way...
The comments by Arturo Ui remind me of Ritmo. Same thinking. Same quirks.
I’m not so sure. Ritmo was more of a hothead. This guy is more smarmy; kind of like an internet Dick Cavett. Both have idiotic belief systems, though.
Howard: "Cancel culture deplorables like"
By now, strictly as a matter of the laws of probability, you should have at least once, inadvertantly, used a term or understood the definition of a key term correctly.
That you havent is quite astonishing.
I mean, what thinking person would endeavor to cultivate a record of getting each and every "answer" wrong?
So now, according to Howard, there are suddenly 10 brand new Senate openings for which Governors can appoint replacements.
Thanks Howard!
Joe Smith said...
Obama used the senate as a stepping stone to the White House.
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You just described everyone who ever ran for president save Trump, news at 11.
We get 15% of our US GOP Senators anti-Trump; always a pain in the ass, even throughout the economic MAGA Boom. It’s still 90% Trump’s base. AND they all know the election was stolen. We’ll…I’d say all 100 Senators know.
The GOP State censures are good. Non-violent. Democratic. Doesn’t move toward removal but says, “hey…arrogant ass kiss…WTF??? Who do you think put you there?” But no-one is stripping them of office. It's not cancel culture participation.
I throw up in my mouth a little now when I think of Mitch McConnell and his neck fat. What an asshole. I think he was so deep in on the fraud, he was willing to give up the Senate to get rid of Trump. A little man with a big pocket of shit under his chin.
Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig.
Or, he did what he thought was the honorable thing and defended him, instead of running away with his tail between his legs like the rest of the legal profession.
Shakespeare was prescient, because nothing’s changed in 500 years.
Great point Achilles!
And it is clear that Nancy made a deal with Mitch McConnell at some point and fully expected Mitch to deliver.
My guess:
McConnell wanted to destroy Trumpism as he did the Tea Party. They are the enemies of the oligarchy / uniparty that only cares about enriching themselves.
Step 1 - Keep Trumpist Senators from winning the primary. Ga is an example of this. Kelly I married a super rich guy is a poster child of this.
Step 2 - Keep Trump from being re-elected. See Time Magazine article documenting how McConnel ally chamber of commerce aided and abetted this.
Step 3 - lose the Ga run offs.
Step 4 - allow big tech to muzzle Trump
Step 5 - impeachment of Trump to discredit him
Unfortunately for McConnell Trump is still trusted by 75 million + Trump Voters.
And a lot of them believe the election was stolen.
Callahan said...
The comments by Arturo Ui remind me of Ritmo. Same thinking. Same quirks.
I’m not so sure. Ritmo was more of a hothead. This guy is more smarmy; kind of like an internet Dick Cavett. Both have idiotic belief systems, though
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LOL, I'm just expressing my political opinions. I haven't been smarmy to anyone. I've frankly been a lot nicer to folks here than they've been in return.
She did the right thing. History will be on her side, and I believe Maine voters will be too.
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The voters might still be with her but hopefully history will reveal that the House Managers did not do their homework. Simple as that.
I Callahan: "I’m not so sure. Ritmo was more of a hothead. This guy is more smarmy; kind of like an internet Dick Cavett. Both have idiotic belief systems, though."
Correct.
There is no way these morons could hold a candle to ritmo in terms of background learning and understanding.
Notwithstanding the fact that ritmo misapplies that knowledge pretty dramatically and, Ill just take a swing here: I think ritmo is dealing with some chemical issues because you could really detect the Jekyll and Hyde performances.
Drago’s 12:03 comment is a great analysis. It proves one thing for sure: If the senators like McConnell really thought an impeachment and removal of Trump was a good idea politically, they really are living in a bubble.
More than anything Alaskans want locals. If you weren't born there, marry someone who was. Murkowski is AK royalty by birth and she shows it. She's constantly flying home to fish, hunt, camp. She's at the start line for the Iditarod every year. Maybe she's vulnerable now because her politics are all over the place, but she's exactly what AK voters want as a person.
Kevin said...
I'm so old I remember when the Democrats couldn't muster a single vote to impeach Clinton, even though everyone agreed he had perjured himself.
Here we get 7 Senators to vote against Trump for a set of charges that couldn't stand up in an actual court of law.
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Impeachment isn't a legal proceeding, so that's not the test.
Still, basic fairness and honesty should require every Senator to take note of and REJECT doctored evidence offered to prove political High Crimes and Misdemeanors.
But when the House Managers did exactly THAT by offering bogus timelines and deleting exculpatory language on Trump's part, all of the Dems, and seven GOPe types---many themselves lawyers--- chose to avert their gaze.
THAT's really disgusting.
Here's Trump lawyer Michael Van der Veen vivisecting a sweet young thing on CBSN regarding on that point:
https://hooktube.com/watch?v=6V33Op4UHPI
"She did the right thing. History will be on her side, and I believe Maine voters will be too."
It appears there is at least one person who is four square behind the hope doctored evidence and zero due process becomes the norm across the board in the future.
Given the American Soviets tactics in both hoax impeachments, the Mueller deep state spying/corruption coverup operation, the Flynn Show Trial and Carter Page setup (amongst many others), we are already just about there.
"I doubt that the good people of Alaska have forgotten that Palin couldn't even finish her single term as governor. The lure of full-time right-wing celebrity was too strong for her."
That, or there were other reasons.
Maybe something like a gazzilion ethics complaints/constant lawfare, family, kids targeted, perv rents the house next to her to spy on her. You know, shit like that.
What say you?
Pro-Trump Republicans trying to punish anti-Trump Republicans strikes me as nearly as foolish as anti-Trump Republicans trying to purge pro-Trump Republicans (or purge Trump himself). I suppose it's a matter of principle on both sides, but I wish we could fast forward past all of this "principled" harrumphing and get on with practical things.
Now's the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party, as the typing practice goes.
Palin doesn't want it or doesn't want it enough and voters sense that. More power to her for wanting to live her own life.
Cassidy is gambling that voters six years from now won't remember how he voted on impeachment. He could be right. He could also be thinking that six years from now he might just decide to retire.
Browndog said...
That, or there were other reasons.
Maybe something like a gazzilion ethics complaints/constant lawfare, family, kids targeted, perv rents the house next to her to spy on her. You know, shit like that.
What say you?
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All politicians suffer similar abuse in the spotlight. It's obviously a difficult profession requiring the thickest of skins. The vast majority of them do not quit their jobs in response to the heat. Quitting made Palin look unserious. Alaskans will remember.
Re: Drago:
It appears there is at least one person who is four square behind the hope doctored evidence and zero due process becomes the norm across the board in the future.
Mmmm . . . Kamala Harris?
Kern County prosecutor Robert Murray committed “outrageous government misconduct.” Ms. Harris and her staff defended the indefensible—California State prosecutor Murray flat out falsified a transcript of a defendant’s confession.
>>independent said...
As for Trump's lawyer, I agree that it was highly foreseeable there would be some blowback, esp given his tough-guy style. Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig. Being a celeb was more important than their welfare I guess.<<
You guess wrong, I'm sure. Van der Veen oozed disgust and outrage at the sham impeachment trial and the dishonest Democrat case and manipulated evidence. He is on public record for disliking Trump and has even sued him in the past. That guy was going purely on principle.
All politicians suffer similar abuse in the spotlight. It's obviously a difficult profession requiring the thickest of skins. The vast majority of them do not quit their jobs in response to the heat. Quitting made Palin look unserious. Alaskans will remember.
Fuck you, commie.
All politicians suffer similar abuse in the spotlight
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When did a conservative newspaper go dumpster diving for pics of Kamala’s gynecology visit?
Drago said...
Achilles: "And it is clear that Nancy made a deal with Mitch McConnell at some point and fully expected Mitch to deliver."
This was clearly the deal, otherwise why even execute the impeachment?
The answer? McConnell and Schumer and Pelosi cut the deal after Jan 6 believing the could turn their Reichstag Fire into a 17 republican Senate impeachment juggernaut joined with the democraticals/Soviets to get Trump.
What McConnell did NOT count on was the narrative collapses that occurred before the Senate vote.
You may be overthinking the situation.
McConnell is a slimy politician, but he is not dumb. He played both sides and probably just went back on his word to Schemer as he intended from the beginning.
There is no way the GOP would survive if Trump was "convicted" by 17 Republicans senators. McConnell knew that and he also knew that the "evidence" was total bullshit. That the House managers doctored it was an unexpected bonus.
I Callahan: "Drago’s 12:03 comment is a great analysis. It proves one thing for sure: If the senators like McConnell really thought an impeachment and removal of Trump was a good idea politically, they really are living in a bubble."
There is one big caveat here:
It is entirely possible that a sufficient number of elected GOPe-ers have become perfectly comfortable or defeatist with the establishment of a permanant no-checks-and-balances Soviet-democratical style of government with election results tat can be dialed up as needed and information lockdowns as needed.
I had the opportunity to sit in on a pre-election call with a republican senator running in 2020 for high dollar donors (I was an invited guest, not the donor) and this question was asked of the republican incumbent directly: do the unconstitutional election rules changes leading up to the election foretell a permanent nationwide corruption ploy which guarantees permanent democratical control?
The response (paraphrased): if the democraticals win, we will continue to have elections but those elections wont ever again be real elections, and everyone in DC knows it.
My guess: the globalist train has long ago left the station and lots of people who are in positions that matter have calculated the democratical-Soviets/EU/ChiComs/BigTech/Lockstep Media have the winning hand so you might as well stop fighting them as they move to Full Social Credit/Cancel Culture mode because you dont want to find yourself on the wrong side of that crew.
Adding to my previous comment, I cannot see 10 more GOP senators voting for conviction. Neither could McConnell. He played this one well.
Arturo Ui said...
Joe Smith said...
Obama used the senate as a stepping stone to the White House.
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You just described everyone who ever ran for president save Trump, news at 11.
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Huh? only 17 of 46 Presidents served in the Senate. Only three persons---Warren G. Harding, John F. Kennedy, and Barack Obama---went directly from the Senate to the White House.
Here's a list of 20th century former Presidents who were never Senators:
FDR Carter Coolidge Wilson both Bushes Clinton Teddy R. Taft Reagan FDR Hoover McKinley
https://www.cop.senate.gov/senators/SenatorsWhoBecamePresident.htm
Arturo is not very "airy you dite", as Rush would put it.
Francisco: "There is no way the GOP would survive if Trump was "convicted" by 17 Republicans senators."
They. No. Longer. Care.
We will soon find ourselves in a situation where total Soviet-democrat control of all levers of govt will have completely merged and aligned with all levers and power centers of culture and the economy so a significant number of republicans are clearly prepared to go Full Vichy.
As a strategist, the first objective is to understand the "facts on the ground".
The anti-Trump Republicans are a super small minority among voters
But a huge amount of the gop establishment.
The sooner they are out of power, and are replaced with people more reflective of their voters, the better.
It’s part of the transformation of the gop from the country club / rich / Wall Street party to the people that work for a living.
It’s amazing how many anti Trumpers have been discredited.
- Paul Ryan
- Fox News
- Peggy Noonan
- George Will
- Mitt Romney
- the Bulwark / national review / weekly standard
- Jennifer Rubin
- Lincoln Project
Etc.
One of Trumps super powers has been to rip the masks off to show their true stances.
Francisco D: "Adding to my previous comment, I cannot see 10 more GOP senators voting for conviction. Neither could McConnell. He played this one well."
I disagree.
This is the same McConnell that teamed up with the democrat-Soviets to target and harass and destroy the Tea Party.
This is no different.
McConnell screwed up....for his democratical allies.
Its foolish to think of it in any other terms.
McConnell is every bit as intent to target Trump voters as the democraticals and their deep state allies in the DOJ/FBI/NSA/CIA/FCC/etc.
It gives me no pleasure to read the situation this way. But fact patterns are quite stubborn things and its best to approach those patterns with sufficiently cynical eyes.
"I doubt that the good people of Alaska have forgotten that Palin couldn't even finish her single term as governor. The lure of full-time right-wing celebrity was too strong for her."
I doubt that most American voters remember last Tuesday. If they did, Joe Biden would not have had a 47 year career.
I don't want to hear how "principled" these seven were.
The principled vote was to acquit once it became clear the government prosecutors were caught doctoring evidence.
The cult of Trump remains strong with AA commenters.
Drago, from the start there were only five-to-seven GOP senators who expressed their willingness to go forward with the trial, and to follow through to vote to convict.
Given the precarious power he now shares with ChuckYou Schumer, what leverage did McConnell have to force enough GOP senators to flip, ESPECIALLY those Senators from red states, to lead to conviction and "removal"?
"independent said...
"Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig."
That is evil. Unacceptable. Absolutely beyond the pale.
"Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he wrote that op-ed." "Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he liked that tweet." "Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he put up that lawn sign."
What if someone here said, "Perhaps independent should have thought more about his family when he commented"?
Blogger Arturo Ui said...
"...All politicians suffer similar abuse in the spotlight. It's obviously a difficult profession requiring the thickest of skins. The vast majority of them do not quit their jobs in response to the heat. Quitting made Palin look unserious. Alaskans will remember..."
2/14/21, 12:23 PM
So you've now become a 'Cultural Sage' on what happens in Alaska? Do you live there? No! When you get sued as many times as Palin did while she was Governor of Alaska and had to pay for legal defense from her families pocketbook - yes anyone would've left. In other states, the State covers those 'lawfare' actions. Palin would've never left her position except for the monetary damage to her family. That was the entire point of the lawsuits.
Burr and Toomey should have recall. For the symmetry of it.
I don't really care. If it's what they need to do to represent their districts, fine.
He wasn't convicted.
Every Republican Senator should point out that from now on, Impeachment is on the table. You can't have a GOP President Impeached twice in one year and pretend it is still a rare gem that must not be unboxed.
McConnell's speech reflects his experience that Trump as POTUS played little or no role in getting things passed in Congress. If Trump found that stiff too boring and complicated while it was his job, little reason to think he will take much interest or invest much time and energy when the golf clubs beckon 12 months of the year.
clint said...
Let's you and them fight!
What a great line.
chickelit said...
The comments by Arturo Ui remind me of Ritmo. Same thinking. Same quirks.
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I've said before that I think he's Freder. The "tell" is the choice of nics taken from the German arts world: Freder from Fritz Lang's "Metropolis. Arturo Ui from a Bertolt Brecht play, and (I forget the name) a 19th cent. German organist and composer.
All three show the same characteristic aggressive idiocy.
Yeah, I'd be surprised if this ruins anyone in 6 years.
Two local congresswomen (Dem) voted for the first impeachment, then ran on working together - even some of the things they worked with Trump on- then voted again to impeach.
Political campaign seasons go on forever, but the commentariat has the attention span of a gnat.
Readering writes: If Trump found that stiff too boring and complicated while it was his job, little reason to think he will take much interest or invest much time and energy when the golf clubs beckon 12 months of the year.
The POTUS has no role getting stuff (or stiff) passed in Congress.
Never heard of the separation of powers principle? Of course, you haven't. The Constitution is for the deplorables, right? A progressive president like Obama is everything -- a chief executive, a legislator, and a constitutional jurist all in one.
MayBee said...
clint said...
Let's you and them fight!
What a great line.
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It's one of the "games" described in an '80's pop psychology book, "The Games People Play", by Eric Berne.
Another in the book could very well apply to the comments here at Althouse: the "game" called "Ain't it Awful?"
Senators running for president: few are chosen, but many, many, many receive the call.
Since 1972, a total of 50 sitting or former U.S. Senators from across 31 states have run for president a collective 62 times with only one winner – Barack Obama in 2008.
Quaestor said...
Readering writes: If Trump found that stiff too boring and complicated while it was his job, little reason to think he will take much interest or invest much time and energy when the golf clubs beckon 12 months of the year.
The POTUS has no role getting stuff (or stiff) passed in Congress.
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I'd say that a threat of a veto is a presidential "role". N'est-ce pas?
"Of the seven Republicans who voted to convict Mr. Trump, only one of them, Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, will be on the ballot in 2022. But she is a uniquely formidable candidate in her state, having once won re-election as a write-in candidate after losing a primary."
- NY Times
"Murkowski has won three full terms to the Senate, but has never won a majority of the vote; she won 48.6% of the vote in 2004, 39.5% in 2010, and 44.4% in 2016."
- Wiki
The Times is right. That is definitely a unique form of formidibility.
independent said...
"The Democrats and their vichy GOP allies are running the Nazi playbook with little variation."
What will the democratic Nazis do next? A violent insurrection at the Capitol perhaps?
As for Trump's lawyer, I agree that it was highly foreseeable there would be some blowback, esp given his tough-guy style. Perhaps he should have thought more about his family when he took the gig. Being a celeb was more important than their welfare I guess.
Are you too stupid to hide your inclinations?
Are you proud that your side is violently assaulting your political opponents?
You are a fascist in every definition of the word.
My guess: the globalist train has long ago left the station and lots of people who are in positions that matter have calculated the democratical-Soviets/EU/ChiComs/BigTech/Lockstep Media have the winning hand so you might as well stop fighting them as they move to Full Social Credit/Cancel Culture mode because you dont want to find yourself on the wrong side of that crew.
Back in 2016 there was an article, I believe it was by Bill Kristol's son in law Matthew Continetti, which argued that the right had lost the debate, socialism was ascendant, and that conservatives should make the case that they would be better managers of the socialist superstate than the left. Maybe after twenty years conservatives would be in a position to try and push conservatism again. I remember thinking at the time that he was probably regurgitating what he'd heard from his father in law and others at the time: too many in the establishment don't actually believe in conservatism, it's just a line they sell to the rubes. What they want is to simply be in charge of everything, because they think that they can be better managers of it all.
Readering said...
The cult of Trump remains strong with AA commenters.
Readering's cult believes that the Democrats should commit perjury and fabricate evidence.
Because defeating their political opponents is more important than anything.
Readering: "McConnell's speech reflects his experience that Trump as POTUS played little or no role in getting things passed in Congress."
LOL
Years after the fact, readering the historical ignoramus at long long last inadvertantly stumbles and alights upon the reality that everyone else already understands: Trump's agenda is not the globalist agenda!
Well played readering! Not a moment too soon!
Of course, why would anyone expect readering to understand current state when he/she/xe cannot get history right...even when it is written down and in front of him/her/xer.
Sarah Palin? seriously? I just heard Lindsay GRaham talk about Lara Trump running for Senator in North Carolina. Who would actually vote for either one of them. Gag me
Stupid bints from California have absolutely no room to criticize other Senate candidates.
readering has yet to inform us as to which piece of doctored and manipulated fake evidence he/she/xe enjoyed the most.
Trick question!
Readering loved all the faked evidence equally!
The powers that be in AK allow for the Murkowski shenanigans. It's BS.
The left pick the R candidates there. or use fraud and lies to smear any actual "formidable" candidate.
Seven American heroes. All profiles in courage. We should be applauding them.
It takes no courage to join a thuggish, left-wing mob.
On the contrary, in fact.
Drago said...
This is the same McConnell that teamed up with the democrat-Soviets to target and harass and destroy the Tea Party.
This is no different.
McConnell screwed up....for his democratical allies.
Trump was too nice to these people.
I do not want him to be the candidate in 2024. He did an incredible job removing the mask.
But you cannot make deals with people like Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConell, Readering and independent.
They are vicious, violent, dishonest people.
Introducing fake evidence in court and supporting mobs attacking your political opponents is completely unacceptable.
The corrupt left and the corrupt left media excel at "doctored" evidence.
Ask Dan Rather.
The witch hunters, warlock judges, JournoListic inciters, and left of center sympathizers, hoped and brayed that they could abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too. They played with a double-edged scalpel to be sure.
"Pro-Trump Republicans trying to punish anti-Trump Republicans strikes me as nearly as foolish as anti-Trump Republicans trying to purge pro-Trump Republicans (or purge Trump himself)."
Well you're an idiot. Or a Leftist. Or a Never-trumper. But I repeat myself.
There's no reason to keep a traitor in office, when you can elect someone who will support your conservative principles and the republican party. Its just that simple. I love how the Never Trumpers and "Moderates" have been telling us "Principle above Party" and "They don't care who wins, mortality comes first". Are now playing the "We need to stick together. We can't let the D's win!".
Good God, it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic. Out of the "Septic Seven" two are retiring and four of the other Five come from deep red states. There's simply good reason to keep Rino's like Cassidy, Sasse, Romney, or Lisa Murkey, in office. They can easily be replaced with actual, real life, conservatives and trump supporters. The only one that is different is Collins. I give her a pass, since we're not going to get anything better from New England.
switching dates and blue check marked twitter accounts to sell a lie - is all A-OK! for the left.
They are used to bigger lies than that. See HIllary.
Rabel - perhaps The solution in Alaska - force a run-off at 50%+ requirement.
Achilles - Do you know how to read? I didn't say I was happy or proud that Trump's lawyer is being assaulted (which he hasn't been to my knowledge). I'm not. I said that it was foreseeable that there would be blowback. You disagree?
Just curious, is everyone who disagrees with you on anything a fascist? Quite the word to casually toss around. Esp since you're the one totally in love with an authoritarian ruler. Do you want to rub his crotch like your buddy Taylor Greene?
BTW, it should be noted that neither Romney, Collins, Sasse, or Lisa Murky supported Trump in 2016 or 2020. All proudly announced they were fine with Hillary/Biden getting elected instead. Further, Lisa Murky voted against Kavanaugh and only voted for ACB because it was a done deal. Romney meanwhile, was crucial in delaying the investigation into Hunter Biden, and approving a crazed open border fantastic at Homeland Security.
As for Toomey, he did everything he could help the Democrats steal Pennsylvania from Trump, while Burr used his power at the Intelligence committee to green-light the Mueller-Russia hoax. We do NOT need these creeps in the Senate pretending to be Republicans and taking up seats that could be filled by actual, loyal Republicans. Fuck them. And vote them out!
There is a separation of powers, but Presidents traditionally play an important role in crafting legislation and getting it through. Veto power a blunt instrument. Interesting that almost all of Trump's vetoes related to resolutions to override foreign arms sales or regulations. Only vetoes of bills came at the very end, and the most important, defense budget, easily overridden.
You'll note that none of the "Septic Seven" gave a damn the constitutional ramifications of convicting a FORMER President. NONE cared that the House managers lied and doctored evidence. NONE cared that the article of impeachment was rushed though on a party line vote with two hours of debate.
All 7 supported Pelosi and schumer and (except for Collins) and told their Republican voters to go fuck themselves. This wasn't a "vote of conscious" since the "trial was a farce without due process, a chief justice, or witnesses. And the Septic Seven, especially Romney didn't care. They all just wanted to show their love for schumer/pelosi and their hatred of Trump and the 75 million who voted for him.
No Achilles,we are not afraid of women who are smarter and more accomplished than they are? Seriously, have you met Kamala Harris? The first woman VP? These 2 women are not smarter or more accomplished than her or the millions(millions) of women who are both smarter and more accomplished than Lara Trump or Sarah Palin.
That is right wing rhetoric. Crap
Vicki from Pasadena
This doctored evidence lie is of a piece with Dominion voting machines lies. It will live on in the fever swamps of the right, I guess.
There is a separation of powers, but Presidents traditionally play an important role in crafting legislation and getting it through.
Readering, once more a victim of brain betrayal, does a quick Wikipedia detour followed by a squirm.
wholelottasplainin' said...
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Huh? only 17 of 46 Presidents served in the Senate. Only three persons---Warren G. Harding, John F. Kennedy, and Barack Obama---went directly from the Senate to the White House.
Here's a list of 20th century former Presidents who were never Senators:
FDR Carter Coolidge Wilson both Bushes Clinton Teddy R. Taft Reagan FDR Hoover McKinley
https://www.cop.senate.gov/senators/SenatorsWhoBecamePresident.htm
Arturo is not very "airy you dite", as Rush would put it.
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Um, no. I was obviously just making the point that all presidents (save one) could be accused of using their prior offices (political or military) merely as stepping stones to the presidency. That's why I wrote "save Trump" in my original comment you referenced, since he is the only president to ever hold the office without any prior public service of any kind. I wasn't referring exclusively to senators.
On that note, the last 4 years confirm it is probably a bad idea to elect presidents who have never performed any prior public service of any kind.
75 million! Yeah, like that lie becoming legend on the right.
BTW did you read Sasse or Romney's written justification for their vote? They're fucking jokes. Neither addresses the facts or the evidence or states how/why TRump was guilty under the article of impeachment. Its just "I hate orange man" Romney even brings up the Pelosi talking point about the GA elections!
At least Mittens skipped all hypocritical God talk this time. I guess Jesus gave him the go-ahead and no discussion about the vote was required with the Holy Ghost. Mitt Romney is biggest piece of shit I've seen in 30 years of following politics. We dodged a bullet when this clown lost in 2012!
One of Trumps super powers has been to rip the masks off to show their true stances.
What once passed as a Fetal-American, is now proven to have been a baby, denied life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness for the sake of social progress, social justice, and novel, green deals. This was the fascist Antifa denying assembly and mobbing people in insurrections, the neo-KKK Some, Select Black Lives Matter (a subsidiary of the Diversity Racket) invading and intimidating businesses and neighborhoods, and the Democrat Socialists denying a voice to around half a million assembled, several hundred outside the capitol, and several dozen who may and were not "Trump supporters" inside the building, which progressed as protests with JournoListic incitment, civil rights violations, and the elective abortion of an unarmed woman with the hope to either suppress or enrage the People.
Readering said...
This doctored evidence lie is of a piece with Dominion voting machines lies. It will live on in the fever swamps of the right, I guess.
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Yeah, what are they even talking about? What is this new talking point about "doctored evidence"?
Readering said...
Interesting that almost all of Trump's vetoes related to resolutions to override foreign arms sales or regulations.
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Yeah, three out of a total of nine is "almost all".
https://ballotpedia.org/Donald_Trump:_Vetoed_legislation
It's the New Math!!!
Shorter Vicki from Pasadena:
Blah, Blah, Democrat Party-line. Blah, blah, Democrats talking points. Blah blah. Liberals good. Republicans Bad. Blah blah.
What a dullard!
Vicki from Pasadena:
We all know what you're going to write. All we have to do is watch ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS/MSNBC/CNN
Dull.
victoria: "Seriously, have you met Kamala Harris?"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Kamala slept her way into her roles and was placed in her Senate seat and as VP after garnering in the end zero support....but she is obama/Jarrett's gal so she was directed to the Biden ticket after the obama team maneuvered sliw joe into the fugurehead position.
But then again, thats what leftists do.
And thats why you approve...even as you delude yourself into believing you are some kind of free thinker.
If it werent so pathetic it might be laughable.
rcocean said...
At least Mittens skipped all hypocritical God talk this time. I guess Jesus gave him the go-ahead and no discussion about the vote was required with the Holy Ghost. Mitt Romney is biggest piece of shit I've seen in 30 years of following politics. We dodged a bullet when this clown lost in 2012!
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If there's a Hell, Romney will wind up down there alongside that fraudster Joseph Smith.
Personally I'm not a big Palin fan, and certainly didn't think she was VP ready, but the common misunderstanding (or in Aturo's case outright lies) of what went on before during and after her term as Governor is amusing. It's indicative of the the left's willingness to swallow the Dem media's manipulations and outright lies. I've done the this is what actually happened comment thing here before several times and won't bother again, but as a 55 year resident I saw it first hand. Quick synopsis: The 2008 slandering and lawfare against her and even more so Ted Stevens showed openly what dishonest lengths the Dems were willing to go to.
The Royal Murkowski saga (her father was the incumbent Governor of AK who Palin ousted) the Tea Party and Palin's are interconnected.
wholelottasplainin' (to Readering): "Yeah, three out of a total of nine is "almost all"."
Looks like we'll have to add basic mathematics to the now quite lengthy list of subjects for which readering lacks rudimentary skills.
Unless readering knew better and simply lied...which really is the democratical theme over the last 5 years.
Quaestor, i invite you to learn some poli sci by following legislation this term.
3 out of 9 kind of mirrors tweets that magically change publish dates from 2020 to 2021, right readering?
Also invite you to read your link.
Readering: "Quaestor, i invite you to learn some poli sci by following legislation this term."
How hopelessly and delightfully vague and thus meaningless while others are offeribg up specifics.
That is a very prudent move on your part given your track record.
Give it a rest Drago.
Don't be like Drago, Q.
Readering: "Give it a rest Drago."
Begging others to cease pointing out your serial lies and errors is not generally considered a strength move.
Independent said:
Just curious, is everyone who disagrees with you on anything a fascist? Quite the word to casually toss around. Esp since you're the one totally in love with an authoritarian ruler.
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TRUMP is an authoritarian ruler?
When Biden has already signed almost 60 Executive Orders in his first three week in office?
SNORT
On that note, the last 4 years confirm it is probably a bad idea to elect presidents who have never performed any prior public service of any kind.
While we probably disagree on why it is a bad idea, I'll agree that the behemoth we've created is no longer controllable by ordinary citizens. A sad state of affairs to my mind.
We are about 15 minutes away from readering sticking his/her/xer thumb into his/her/xer mouth, curling up in a corner and crying thats its just not fair that people remember the inanities he/she/xe utters.
Quaestor, i invite you to learn some poli sci by following legislation this term.
Thank you. I anticipate learning lessons first taught by the 1933 Reichstag.
Priority One: The Enabling Act of 2021.
(Readering won't reply before looking that one up.)
Here, Drago, give us a couple more comments responding
to this. Happily feed your cravings all day.
You can respond too Quaestor.
wholelottasplainin' said...
TRUMP is an authoritarian ruler?
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Trump literally attempted to cancel the election results after he badly lost re-election. Repeatedly. For two solid months. Yes, he is an authoritarian.
Quaestor: "(Readering won't reply before looking that one up.)"
Won't matter.
He/she/xe will still get it wrong, then blame you, then demand you stop talking about it.
Like today.
And everyday really.
AI: "Trump literally attempted to cancel the election results after he badly lost re-election."
You are literally lying about what Trump literally did.
Something you do literally every single day.
On literally every single topic.
Without literally any compunction whatsoever.
And you will literally keep doing it every single day in the future.
I suggest you kick into High Readering Gear and start demanding people stop remembering you did that.
Arturo Ui said...
wholelottasplainin' said...
TRUMP is an authoritarian ruler?
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Trump literally attempted to cancel the election results after he badly lost re-election. Repeatedly. For two solid months. Yes, he is an authoritarian.
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Sorry, Freder, but making legal challenges isn't what "authoritarians" do. The latter just IGNORE election results and SEIZE POWER.
(the elementary history lesson endeth)
Seriously, have you met Kamala Harris? The first woman VP?
You mean the woman who was so popular within her own party she was forced to drop out of the Presidential race before the Iowa Caucuses?
That Kamala Harris?
Meanwhile Manchin goes back to West Virginia, a state that went 70% for Trump and that knows this was a political hit job and nothing more, and confidently expects to be re-elected. Just like when he waited to vote the way his constituents waned on Kavanaugh until it was clear that his vote didn’t matter. “Manchin, always there when you don’t need him."
Someone earlier today mentioned this AI fellow comes across very simiarly to Freder.
I have to agree.
Arturo/Freder said:
Um, no. I was obviously just making the point that all presidents (save one) could be accused of using their prior offices (political or military) merely as stepping stones to the presidency.
Um, here's your comment I responded to, which you conveeeeniently failed to repost:
Arturo Ui said...
Joe Smith said...
Obama used the senate as a stepping stone to the White House.
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You just described everyone who ever ran for president save Trump, news at 11.
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So, um, you're full of shit.
Fredo is like all fascist enablers, he accuses the other side of what his side is.
That hit job on Glenn Reynolds of his was just more of the same kind of dishonest rhetoric that has been used on Trump for four years. I remember when Glen Simpson of FusionGPS claimed that the fact that Trump didn’t take an offer of a sweetheart real-estate deal in Moscow from Putin only went to prove he was extra deviously corrupt.
Of course eventually, unlike with BIden, Trump’s opponents had to make up “crimes” for Trump out of whole cloth due to his devious practice of following the law as written. With Biden, there is a good honest politician who never tried to hide the fact that he was for sale of “747’s loaded with cash.”
Kamala whose niece is using Hunter's marketing game plan? Imagine being the first woman vice president only to find your party doesn't recognize "female". Jamaican/Indian not African American, dems can't find one. Mad Max?
Seen on Ace of Spades:
John Cardillo@johncardillo
Happy Valentines day to @ericswalwell and Fang Fang; @KamalaHarris and Willie Brown; and Hunter Biden and his dead brother's wife.
Drago said...
AI: "Trump literally attempted to cancel the election results after he badly lost re-election."
You are literally lying about what Trump literally did.
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Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia. He also stated that Raffensberger could be federally charged with something if he didn't give Trump what he wanted.
Candace Owens, now there's a star in waiting!
"Someone earlier today mentioned this AI fellow comes across very simiarly to Freder.
I have to agree.”
They are just told what to think by the same people.
wild chicken said...
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But no, cui bono doesn't make it a plot. But the pandemic was the best damn luck the Dems ever had.
"Luck is the residue of design." -- Branch Rickey (attributed to John Milton first, though)
wholelottasplainin' said...
Arturo/Freder said:
Um, no. I was obviously just making the point that all presidents (save one) could be accused of using their prior offices (political or military) merely as stepping stones to the presidency.
Um, here's your comment I responded to, which you conveeeeniently failed to repost:
Arturo Ui said...
Joe Smith said...
Obama used the senate as a stepping stone to the White House.
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You just described everyone who ever ran for president save Trump, news at 11.
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So, um, you're full of shit.
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I was referring to presidents and their prior political office. You are the one insisting that I was only talking about senators. That's fine, but you are simply wrong. The cursing is also unbecoming.
AI: "Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
On our next episode of "Having Fun With Edited And Doctored Quotes", AI/Freder leads us through another literal litany of lies!
Sponsored by Kelloggs!
wholelottasplainin' said...
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Sorry, Freder, but making legal challenges isn't what "authoritarians" do. The latter just IGNORE election results and SEIZE POWER.
(the elementary history lesson endeth)
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Calling Brad Raffensberger and demanding that he find 11,780 votes for Trump is not a legal challenge. It's an illegal challenge. And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be.
Drago said...
AI: "Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
On our next episode of "Having Fun With Edited And Doctored Quotes", AI/Freder leads us through another literal litany of lies!
Sponsored by Kelloggs!
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What part of my comment was untrue?
AI: "And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be."
Just keep makkng it up as you go. Its gotta work out at some point, right.
Now remind us again how Officer Sicknick died?
Drago said...
AI: "And Trump is about to be criminally prosecuted for it, as he should be."
Just keep makkng it up as you go. Its gotta work out at some point, right.
Now remind us again how Officer Sicknick died?
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The Fulton County DA is going to criminally prosecute Donald Trump, no matter how many times you attempt to change the subject.
“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
You have to believe that Trump is lying here, not mistaken, not misled, but outright lyingh to put any kind of criminal spin on his search for illegal vote for Biden, which of course was doomed because this is a “legal” signature match in Georgia. The fix was in months before the election.
https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/31/check-out-what-qualifies-as-a-signature-match-in-georgia/
Trump was supposed to be a good sport about getting robbed just because they did it “according to the law” by agreeing to outrageously loose standards for signature matches, an agreement which was unconsitutional anyway, since the GA secretary of state. bypassed the legislature. Under those standards, 99.99% of signatures matched. Only six did not, I would love to see the ones that didn’t match if the linked one was a match.
What part of my comment was untrue?
All of it, including the punctuation.
AI: "What part of my comment was untrue?"
No one "part" of your comment was wrong. Given the structure of your comment, ALL of it is rendered "untrue".
Which is a polite way of saying you are literally lying again.
Paint the GOP as divided.
We will be less divided when the traitors are gone
Hahaha. Keep shooting boy! There’s still some heretics
breaching the perimeter!
That there is comedy gold!
"The Fulton County DA is going to criminally prosecute Donald Trump,”
Which only proves how corrupt they are. Good, let’s hear it all. It’s gonna be a lot harder to control witnesses and to suppress evidence in a criminal trial than it was in the kangaroo court that the Democrats put together. Once this is over, it’s possible that we can get election security back in GA and not have to look at stolen elections for the rest of time like we see in Colorado and Washington where all mail in voting has been put in place by Democrats.
AI: "The Fulton County DA is going to criminally prosecute Donald Trump, no matter how many times you attempt to change the subject."
Yes, we are all aware that marxist democratical DA's funded by Soros will indeed attempt to prosecute Trump for daring to challenge our democratical-Soviets.
It still remains a fact that you asserted as fact Officer Sicknick was beaten to death in the Capitol.
Which makes sense, since you literally lie about every literal thing every literal day.
independent said...
Achilles - Do you know how to read? I didn't say I was happy or proud that Trump's lawyer is being assaulted (which he hasn't been to my knowledge). I'm not. I said that it was foreseeable that there would be blowback. You disagree?
Just curious, is everyone who disagrees with you on anything a fascist? Quite the word to casually toss around. Esp since you're the one totally in love with an authoritarian ruler. Do you want to rub his crotch like your buddy Taylor Greene?
Your team is doing all of this.
You support it.
I call you a fascist because you are acting like a fascist.
The party is not divided, but we have some scumbag reavers in leadership positions that just want a taste of Biden style graft.
tim in vermont said...
“There’s no way I lost Georgia,” Trump said, a phrase he repeated again and again on the call. “There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”
You have to believe that Trump is lying here, not mistaken, not misled, but outright lyingh to put any kind of criminal spin on his search for illegal vote for Biden, which of course was doomed because this is a “legal” signature match in Georgia. The fix was in months before the election.
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No, because Trump often communicates this way within his many criminal conspiracies. Michael Cohen testified as much. He won't say "cover up that we have a Trump Tower deal in Moscow". He'll say "we never had any business in Moscow, as you know, Michael", while both men know he definitely has business in Moscow. It's the same thing here: "I know I won. Find the votes to prove me right." He's been in enough depositions and around enough lawyers in his lifetime to understand how important state of mind is in proving intent. So he deliberately muddles it. He's a terrible and dangerous human being, but he's not stupid.
Good. It's about time we start holding politicians responsible for their actions
We should start holding advertisers responsible for funding cnn, msnbc, fox, CBS, NBC, ABC et al by boycotting them
John Henry
Sarah Palin? seriously? I just heard Lindsay GRaham talk about Lara Trump running for Senator in North Carolina. Who would actually vote for either one of them. Gag me
Vicki from Pasadena
You voted for Gavin Newsome and Joe Biden.
If someone asked me to vote for Gavin Newsome and or Biden, one of my responses would be, Gag me.
Arturo Ui said...
Drago said...
AI: "Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
On our next episode of "Having Fun With Edited And Doctored Quotes", AI/Freder leads us through another literal litany of lies!
Sponsored by Kelloggs!
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What part of my comment was untrue?
"Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
dear George Soros;
George, i read Ann Althouse's blog daily; so, i read what your paid trolls post there.
Serious Question:
Can't you get Better trolls? If they knew how to read and write,they might be more persuasive
I really don't think you're getting your money's worth.
Sure, you don't INTEND them to sway Anyone; and ALL you want out of them, is to take up bandwidth
BUT! IF they knew how to put Basic thoughts onto paper; WHO KNOWS? They might
(JUST MIGHT!) make a conversion every now and then.
As it is now, they are just embarrassing YOU; You should be getting More for your dollar
"Just curious, is everyone who disagrees with you on anything a fascist?”
Fascist is as fascist does, your side just “fortified” the election with an alliance of corporate speech suppression and the brownshirt tactics of Ante-Fa.
"Quite the word to casually toss around. Esp since you're the one totally in love with an authoritarian ruler. “
Who has been using the powers of prosecution to attack their political enemies for many years now. Look at the “John Doe” investigation which filled documents gained with subpoena power in a folder called “Opposition Research” Who has shut. down opposition voices i the press? Who used the Reichstag Fire playbook toi the letter to shut down opposition. Hint, it was the Democrats.
You should maybe open a history book and read a little bit about fascism if being called a fascist bothers you.
AI: "No, because Trump often communicates this way within his many criminal conspiracies. Michael Cohen testified as much. He won't say "cover up that we have a Trump Tower deal in Moscow"...."
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Its not enough to literally spout every current literal lefty lie literally every day, AI insists upon recycling literally every previous laughable literal lefty lie that was long ago debunked.
I suspect he will literally be vomiting up the paying hookers to pee in beds in Moscow lie next!
Lets see what happens....
Drago said...
It still remains a fact that you asserted as fact Officer Sicknick was beaten to death in the Capitol.
Which makes sense, since you literally lie about every literal thing every literal day.
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I certainly wasn't lying, but was merely reflecting the news reports at the time that were saying as much. I am not a reporter, and there's no need to treat me as such. Now we've learned in recent days that his cause of death is unknown. You see, I'm big enough to admit as much. Hopefully we will get to the bottom of what happened to Officer Sicknick sooner rather than later.
Why didn't Donald Trump ever order flags on federal buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of Officer Sicknick? He had weeks to do so, but he never did. Disgraceful.
The Fulton County DA is going to criminally prosecute Donald Trump, no matter how many times you attempt to change the subject.
I’ll take a wager on that. Wanna bet?
Kamala isn't that smart or that accomplished. Politicians have to be able to answer questions with something more than a loud cackle. For the record, Sarah isn't a mental giant either. I don't know about Lara, but simply being a relative shouldn't be a qualification for office. These aren't really put-downs, just observations. Look at people realistically and take in their strengths and weaknesses and don't fool yourself with ideology and partisanship.
I was always surprised confused by how many commentators used to put down politicians and presidents as being dim bulbs. I'm not surprised anymore. It doesn't take as much brains or character to get elected to office than I thought. Still, that doesn't mean that the commentators or any of us could do better. I'm going to disappoint my supporters out there and announce that I will not be a candidate in 2024. I'm doing my bit to narrow down the field to a respectable 30 or so candidates.
Achilles said...
Arturo Ui said...
Drago said...
AI: "Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
On our next episode of "Having Fun With Edited And Doctored Quotes", AI/Freder leads us through another literal litany of lies!
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What part of my comment was untrue?
"Trump called up Brad Raffensberger and demanded that he "find" 11,780 votes, the exact number that Trump believed he needed to overcome his deficit in Georgia"
2/14/21, 2:38 PM
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Yes. That is entirely true. I'm not sure what you think you're proving here. The fact that you won't dive into the details of the actual call--but merely just keep calling me a liar with no substantive elaboration--confirms that you really don't want to defend the details of that call, because you know it's indefensible.
Arturo Ui said...
Readering said...
" This doctored evidence lie is of a piece with Dominion voting machines lies. It will live on in the fever swamps of the right, I guess."
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Yeah, what are they even talking about? What is this new talking point about "doctored evidence"?
You all can pretend that the Democrats were not called out on the floor of the senate and were forced to retract several statements and documents.
The shit is on video. If you actually watched this farce you probably saw it live.
Readering knows exactly what is going on as a pretend lawyer. She knows exactly what the Democrat House managers did and knows with certainty what would happen to any lawyer what would happen if they got caught doing that in a court of law.
You are disgusting people.
AI: "Why didn't Donald Trump ever order flags on federal buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of Officer Sicknick? He had weeks to do so, but he never did. Disgraceful."
You accused Trump and Trump supporters of literal murder.
Your fallback? The above!
Literally disgraceful...on your part.
I Callahan said...
The Fulton County DA is going to criminally prosecute Donald Trump, no matter how many times you attempt to change the subject.
I’ll take a wager on that. Wanna bet?
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Sure. $100. Are you in?
dear George Soros;
George, i read Ann Althouse's blog daily; so, i read what your paid trolls post there.
Serious Question:
Can't you get Better trolls? If they knew how to read and write,they might be more persuasive
I really don't think you're getting your money's worth.
Sure, you don't INTEND them to sway Anyone; and ALL you want out of them, is to take up bandwidth
BUT! IF they knew how to put Basic thoughts onto paper; WHO KNOWS? They might
(JUST MIGHT!) make a conversion every now and then.
As it is now, they are just embarrassing YOU; You should be getting More for your dollar
Dear Gilbar,
We are doing the best we can with our limited intelligence. If only we had 1/10th the wit of a dyed in the wool MAGAt, we could spread our message of fascism/communism (take your pick, we aim to destroy America from both poles) more effectively. Alas, our moral message is of little appeal to those who believes that raw dogging a porn star, while his wife is pregnant, is a defender of virtue.
For Mother China!
Sincerely,
George Soros Troll
Drago said...
AI: "Why didn't Donald Trump ever order flags on federal buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of Officer Sicknick? He had weeks to do so, but he never did. Disgraceful."
You accused Trump and Trump supporters of literal murder.
Your fallback? The above!
Literally disgraceful...on your part.
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Why didn't Trump order flags lowered to half-staff on federal buildings? It was the obvious thing to do. And why are you avoiding answering the question??
This is who Vicki from Pasadena voted for:
In the late summer of 2006 Joe Biden’s son Hunter and Joe’s younger brother, James, purchased the firm. On their first day on the job, they showed up with Joe’s other son, Beau, and two large men and ordered the hedge fund’s chief of compliance to fire its president, according to a Paradigm executive who was present.
After the firing, the two large men escorted the fund’s president out of the firm’s midtown Manhattan office, and James Biden laid out his vision for the fund’s future. “Don’t worry about investors,” he said, according to the executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing fear of retaliation. “We’ve got people all around the world who want to invest in Joe Biden.”
At the time, the senator was just months away from both assuming the chairmanship of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and launching his second presidential bid. According to the executive, James Biden made it clear he viewed the fund as a way to take money from rich foreigners who could not legally give money to his older brother or his campaign account. “We’ve got investors lined up in a line of 747s filled with cash ready to invest in this company,” the executive remembers James Biden saying. - Politico
https://www.politico.eu/article/joe-biden-presidential-bid-family-business-history-democrats/
She hates Sarah Palin because Sarah Palin was honest. She was hounded out of office because she didn’t have the money to fight the avalanche of bullshit ethics charges being brought against her by Democrats. One of them was that she wore a jacket with “Arctic Cat” on it to a rally. This meant that she had to spend thousands of dollars of her own money answering this and tons of other charges of the same kind.
Viki from Pasadena prefers her leaders to be rich enough from their corruption to not worry about such matters and to have the power to muzzle the press.
The only reason the above story was ever written was that Biden was running against Hillary and it was hard for the press to choose sides.
Arturo Ui said...
Why didn't Donald Trump ever order flags on federal buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of Officer Sicknick? He had weeks to do so, but he never did. Disgraceful.
Do you honestly not know that CNN and the other democrat outlets were forced to admit Sicknick did not die of injuries that had anything to do with what happened on January 6th?
Are you still trying to run with that blood libel?
Trump is a klutz and he is not a careful wordsmith. That does not make him a criminal.
Trump was fighting against what we all saw as open vote fraud.
The ACLU should come to his side. The left HATE free speech.
What I find interesting is that Nancy Pelosi clearly expected Trump to be convicted.
Whatever deal she may or may not have had, she should have known that Rand Paul's vote blew it up. If she still expected a conviction after that, she's untethered.
Achilles said...
Arturo Ui said...
Readering said...
" This doctored evidence lie is of a piece with Dominion voting machines lies. It will live on in the fever swamps of the right, I guess."
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Yeah, what are they even talking about? What is this new talking point about "doctored evidence"?
You all can pretend that the Democrats were not called out on the floor of the senate and were forced to retract several statements and documents.
The shit is on video. If you actually watched this farce you probably saw it live.
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Democrats were forced to do what? You're saying they were called onto the floor of the Senate and retracted statements and documents? Do you have a link?
"Why didn't Trump order flags lowered to half-staff on federal buildings?”
This is what Democrats call proof of an intent to overthrow the government.
I’m in, AU. Here’s why it won’t happen: discovery is going to be bitch. No one in the GA SOS office wants too much info to get out.
Readering is now literally asserting false and doctored evidence was not retracted by yhe ChiCom honeytrap House Managers on live TV.
But remember, these are the same people who spent 6 months praising antifa riots which were telecast on TV every day and then turning around and claiming antifa doesnt even exist.
Not even the Soviets were as brazen with their daily literal lying as our American Soviets.
AI: "Democrats were forced to do what? You're saying they were called onto the floor of the Senate and retracted statements and documents? Do you have a link?"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Arturo Ui said...
Why didn't Trump order flags lowered to half-staff on federal buildings? It was the obvious thing to do. And why are you avoiding answering the question??
Why didn't Obama lower the flags to half staff for all of the police that have been killed by BLM?
Sicknick died of causes that they will not release because it would show it had nothing to do with the protest. But they have admitted that he was never hit with a fire extinguisher and was never assaulted on the 6th by protesters.
Pieces of shit like you are still trying to run around with his bloody shirt though.
Achilles said...
Arturo Ui said...
Why didn't Donald Trump ever order flags on federal buildings lowered to half-staff in honor of Officer Sicknick? He had weeks to do so, but he never did. Disgraceful.
Do you honestly not know that CNN and the other democrat outlets were forced to admit Sicknick did not die of injuries that had anything to do with what happened on January 6th?
Are you still trying to run with that blood libel?
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CNN and other media outlets made no such retraction. They did confirm that it appears he did not die of blunt force trauma, as was initially reported. But they certainly did not say he "did not die of injuries that had anything to do with what happened on January 6th". You are inventing that part. It is possible that he died from some allergic reaction to the bear spray he was sprayed with, which he texted his brother about just before he died. But we don't know yet. Hopefully we will soon.
There were antifa riots last year?!
Really?
Does anyone have a link?
Let's you & him fight was a memorable catchphrase of J. Wellington Wimpy in E. C. Segar's Thimble Theater comic strip in the 30s. At the time, Wimpy was as popular as Popeye.
Other memorable Wimpy-isms were "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today", "Why don't you come to my house for a duck dinner tonight. You bring the duck", and, when some bit of backstabbing or mendacity had come back at him, excusing himself with "You must be mistaken, I am one of the Jones boys".
All my life, the has been ONE CONSTANT in elections
The Democrat Strongholds report THEIR votes LAST
This, OF COURSE; is So that they can find out how many votes they need
This, OF COURSE; is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL, and ABOVE BOARD
in ALL my life, EVERY TIME there is recount, the democrat vote count increases
not once (NOT ONCE!) has the recount EVER lowered the democrat vote count
This, OF COURSE; is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL, and ABOVE BOARD
Some votes are missed, some are misplaced (OFTEN in the cartrunks of democrats)
This, OF COURSE; is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL, and ABOVE BOARD
Of course, IF a Republican so much as mentions how many votes he is behind...
That is an impeachable offense
Serious Question
Is there a person (or even troll) here, that doesn't thing that democrats
REGULARLY make phone calls saying "We need to find 11,780 votes???
sign in folks, let me know, if YOU think this Never happens
"Democrats were forced to do what? You're saying they were called onto the floor of the Senate and retracted statements and documents? “
There won’t be one to CNN, MSNBC, The Washington Post or the New York Times, that’s for sure. The news networks re-doctored the Republican’s uncut version of the videos before airing them.
Not to mention that they doctored the “Calvary” tweet to give some nobody a blue check to make it look like she was something other than an internet rando. Yes, they altered evidence, still seven Republicans voted guilty.
Drago said...
AI: "Democrats were forced to do what? You're saying they were called onto the floor of the Senate and retracted statements and documents? Do you have a link?"
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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So, you don't have a link.
Achilles said...
Pieces of shit like you are still trying to run around with his bloody shirt though.
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There's no reason to address me or anyone else here that way. You should work on your civility. People would listen to your arguments more.
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